Saddam may have destroyed his WMD stockpiles, but then he led the international community into believing that he still had them. The intelligence services of Israel, Russia, France, China and other countries all came to the same conclusion as the American CIA - that Iraq still possessed WMD capability. Saddam's own generals thought Iraq possessed poison gas right up to the invasion itself. If Saddam had allowed free, unfettered inspections, Bush would never have had grounds for an invasion. President Bush's incompetence, venality and ignorance places him among the very worst of US Presidents. Bush's War is stupid and shortsided. But let's not make Saddam look like a poor victim. These two birds deserve each other.

by Heraldblog (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 25 comments) on Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 8:20:42 AM

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does that include putting together an 11,800 page report that the UN demanded - stating in detail, what weapons he had, where he got them (the US), and how ALL of them were destroyed? who taught you to parrot such garbage propaganda???? he "projected" NOTHING, but destruction of these WMDs.

by Populist Party (6 articles, 2 quicklinks, 154 diaries, 32 comments) on Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:41:57 AM

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A Different Opinion of President Bush Take for instance the notion that we have no right to be in Iraq. We claim to be a Christian Nation. Do Christian's turn their back on other people like the Iraqi's, who are being rounded up and murdered by Saddam Hussein? Do Christian's turn their back on Iraqi people who have never really known peace in Iraq? You know I have been anti Bush for the past 6 year's; but then I tried to start thinking about the reasons why President Bush thinks the way he does. Iraq has been nothing but a hellhole since 1534 when Iraq was added to a conquest list of nations conquered by the Ottoman Empire. Iraq became a British subject after WWI, when the British did the same thing we are doing now, in setting up a government. They put Prince Faisal on the throne. Britain did a restructuring of Iraq's boundary's, by separating Kuwait, and making claim's to the Oil in Iraq and part's of Saudi Arabia. To this Day Iraq still disagrees with the taking of Kuwait. Throughout the 1920's and 1930's the Kurd's, the Shiite's, and Sunni's have been doing the same acts of murder and violence as they are doing today. I dare say Iraq has been in a Civil War since the 1920's, even up to this point in time. From the 1940's to 1970's Iraq has seen coup after coup. Saddam came into power in 1968, and the beginning of the Iran-Iraq War unfolded; when the Shah encouraged the Kurd's to rebel. In 1975 the War end's when Iran agrees to stop supporting the Kurd's if Iraq sign's over the Shatt al-Arab waterway, on the Persian Gulf; a waterway essential for oil export. Then Iran's Revolution ousts the Shah, and Ayatollah Khomeini now became the leader of Iran. Iran is now declared an Islamic Religious State,and denounces all secular Arab countries. Saddam Hussein takes back the 1975 agreement of the Shatt al Arab waterway, and another War begins with Iran. Good old Uncle Sam comes to the rescue with Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam. Who is the protector of human rights there? When has the United Nations been able to do anything for Iraq? If we do or did nothing and allowed Saddam free reign to assert his authority we would be as guilty and complicit in his crimes, wouldn't we? And as far as pulling out, to leave Iraq to its own vices is certainly a status quo play in the history book of Iraq. It would solve nothing. How is it right that we allow terrorists to control a vast amount of natural oil resources? I think it is beyond comprehension to let that happen; because they would sell the oil, to buy more, and more sophisticated weapons; maybe not from us; but from China, Russia, or whomever. My point is that inaction is just as evil as what people claim the Bush administration as doing; claiming they are lying, murdering, and spreading their corrupt agenda, in order to take over a sovereign country. I find that to be a pretty weak assumption, because really Iraq has never been a sovereign country. Iraq has always been a hotbed of warring sect's and religious fanatics. Saddam being the latest and one of the most uncompromising; I think in all fairness didn't we give him a chance to come around? We tried to be the good guy to him. We supported him, even provided him weapon's, on a war we didn't want to get involved with in Iran. Instead he went quite overboard and started mass murders throughout Iraq, invaded Kuwait, and refused to cooperate with weapon's inspectors for 12 horrendous years. The people suffered. I could go off and start saying we should have been fighting against Britain for their bungling through the year's in Iraq...but I don't think that would be a remedy either. They had their agenda for the era and times they were in Iraq. They simply fumbled the ball by trying to appoint Prince Faisal, instead of educating them about Democracy. The more obvious thing to point out is how does a nation know how to govern when the people in charge never had a good education. Iraq has had no educational institution's that could actually teach about governmental responsibilities. The only education they have learned is fighting and terror activities. How much more can we stand by and allow this to continue? Then 911 happened in the United States. George Bush admitted Iraq had nothing to do with 911. And the Democrat's say he lied to take us into Iraq. Is that really a lie? Come on think about it! He did not say he was invading Iraq because of 911, but we invaded to stop all terrorists in the World. Saddam was a terrorist. All terrorist do not work together, or have the same ambition's, or make claim's to the same target's; but they still all want to commit terror and push their envelope of political dominance. Whatever the case is in concern to sexing up intelligence to make the case for war; I think those allegation's can easily be born on the side of anti Bush people. The fact is the crisis in Iraq already has been looming over the world for centuries, and to think Scooter Libby or some forged yellow cake document is going to be the last straw to take us into battle; is about as foolish as thinking Santa Claus will be crashing his reindeer sleigh into the new Freedom Tower. The frequent lie that has brought the most attention is where are the Weapon's of Mass Destruction? Where did they go? Do we really know? I remember the first invasion in kicking Saddam out of Kuwait. I recall a number of Iraqi jets flew into Iran and landed. They were never destroyed or targeted by the US, since they were in Iran. Seems to me a similar thing could have happened with the WMD's. Now that Saddam was taken from power, Iran suddenly publicly announces it's nuclear development. Is it possible that Saddam's scientific technology and equipment could have crossed into Iran? That is a viable question to consider! I think we need to be real about these political attacks against President Bush, because the possibility exists. I really don't think any American wants to take the US into a false war; including George Bush. I think it was necessary for the US to invade Iraq. The only thing I don't agree is in the planning. We failed miserably. But that does not mean we should give up. On the contrary if we gave up, Iraq would return to it's pre Saddam condition with other Saddam wannabe's grabbing for power, and asserting their wills on the people. It is as plain as it is today, with the numerous car bombings, suicide hit's, roadside bombing's and sniper's, attacking at will to push their respective cause. It would become worse if we left, and it would not solve one single thing. After all the effort's we have made in nursing this to a reasonable conclusion and the year's that have added up toward this moment in time would all be done for what? Believing Michael Moores film? Believing that fellow American's such as the Bush's are murderers and liars? I beg to differ! We can go on claiming it is about Oil. OK it certainly does have to do with oil. Keeping it out of the hands of terrorist's. Would you think George Bush to be more of a smart President if he invaded North Korea because they have a nuclear weapon, and no oil? I mean at least he is smart enough to realize that our troop's are dying for something, that has value which is Oil, and keeping it out of the hand's of terrorist's. Whereas N. Korea has nothing, except a possible Chinese mini nuke going off, luring us into another War on the Korean Peninsula, while the Chinese secretly and silently standby watching a war unfold. Then they will demand aid from America to help solve the issue. Chinese are like that. They are ready to do anything to expand their commie agenda...even flooding other countries market's with their cheap export's. Now think about Michael Moore's film, which called Bush a traitor to the US, because he appears to be making more money from the Saudi's than from the American taxpayer's. Well would you want him to be an enemy to Saudi Arabia? I mean after all; they sure have more Oil than Iraq, and probably a stronger army than Saddam's. Would that be smart to not have good relations with Saudi Arabia? I think not. I think George HW Bush Senior has done the right thing in befriending the Saudi's, and his interest's are truly for the United State's. The more we think we have the Bush's pegged and nailed, the more we should start thinking the other way about it, and hopefully we will see that what is at stake is; America. We need to have a unified America. The entire negative thing about George Bush is essentially in my opinion not really the truth. Let's consider the impeachment objective. Who in their right mind thinks GW Bush is going to be impeached? I certainly think it hasn't a dog's chance in the zoo. When we consider impeachment we look at our past and situation's that would bring comparisons. I am reminded of Vietnam. We had 58,000 soldiers die in Vietnam. We are nowhere near that number; that has died in Iraq. And Bush has only 2 more years to serve. We did not impeach Johnson; and Nixon was not prosecuted. In fact impeachment hearing's would bring these fact's to the table, and charge's would be leveled that the impeachment of GW Bush is really about the missed opportunity in impeaching Johnson and Nixon. It would become a historical witch-hunt to bring some sort of justice to the War hawk's who have taken us to war in the past. I just don't think GW Bush is anywhere near the comparison's of the Vietnam Era. With our sanctimonious quest to bring him down; it will divide the country further, as we have an unsettled Iraq, with looming political debris haunting us from Iran, N. Korea, and China's friendly sneaking tactics around the globe planting seeds of communism. Not to mention the troubles unfolding in Africa's Darfur region, Ethiopia, and Somalia genocide's. We need to come together as a country, and say hey perhaps George has not been able to tell us exactly like I have tried to today, but he is right that terrorism need's to be stopped, and it is a world problem. Being in China, I agree we need to strengthen our military, and expand it. And China is not at War. I only see the trouble that China cause's internally to it's people, as it entices the West with it's cooperation bs to help them become stronger. The United State's should always have a strong and mighty military. Also I just think we need to join the President, even if we think they stole the election. Al Gore certainly did not have landslide number's to support his win, so I think either candidate would have complained if they were on the short end of the count. Why is it popular President's don't have voter fraud, but suddenly the end to 8 year's of the Clinton year's, lawsuit's enter the court's to remedy election count's? We have become over dramatic to the theft of Democracy. Thinking about it from another point of view only strengthens our hand in the long run, in assuring we have the dignified and honorable democracy that American's strive and live for. If we do not think about it from all perspectives, we might as be like the people in Iraq always at war, with no hope in sight. God Bless America... May we take the resolve to love thy enemies even at home, and be broad enough in mind and stature to know which side of the law we; support. If we go off in accusing our local police of killing innocent people to stop a gang war, while gang's wipe out the neighborhood, and then we want our police to do nothing but leave the neighborhood, it tells me that people really know nothing about the rule of law.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Thursday, Jan 4, 2007 at 7:14:05 AM

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