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October 4, 2007 at 09:23:57
AIPAC, Israel, and the United States, oh my by Mary MacElveen Page 1 of 2 page(s) |
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As it pertains to the use of nuclear weapons or our concern whether or not a country does have them or our belief that a country is trying to build one, I often wonder if we even have the moral standing when it pertains to this weaponry. We are the only country that has used this weapon of Armageddon in war time. In days of each other we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and the second one took out the city of Nagasaki. Yet, we think we have the right to tell another country; do not build one? What gives us the right to admonish other countries if we believe they are building one? If we are truly arbiters of peace; how can we turn a blind-eye when one of our allies in the Middle East does have them? That ally is Israel and I will address that in a bit. I came across a wonderful article titled, Science Hero: Albert Einstein written by Richard V. Duffy. Within this piece, Mr. Duffy writes, “Einstein surrendered his lifelong pacifism in 1939, when he wrote a letter to Franklin D. Roosevelt encouraging the President to begin atomic weapon research. He felt uneasy about the rise in power of Nazi Germany and was told that German physicists had split the uranium atom.” History will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt his words were paid attention to. In March of 1945 as you will read, he sent a second letter to President Roosevelt warning him of the cataclysmic results should such a bomb actually be used. In April of 1945, President Roosevelt died and that second letter went unopened.
In totality by dropping these bombs, 200,000 Japanese were killed. As written by Duffy, upon learning that these bombs were used by the United States, Einstein said, “I could burn my fingers that I wrote that first letter to President Roosevelt,” Duffy goes onto quote Einstein, “I made one mistake in my life when I signed that letter to President Roosevelt advocating that the atomic bomb should be built. But perhaps I can be forgiven because we all felt that there was a high probability that the Germans were working on this problem and would use the atomic bomb to become the master race.” The thing is we did not use it on Germany but Japan. In any event, what is done is done; our lesson is to learn from it.
I often wonder what Einstein would opine if alive concerning Israel’s nuclear stockpile. Would he admonish them as we are admonishing other nations such as Iran and North Korea?
Many do feel we will launch a preemptive strike on Iran which may bring about the use of a nuclear weapon and this is what Einstein had to say of any possible third world war, “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” Given the fact that the United States and Israel are the only known countries who may launch such an attack, it is we who own these weapons of Armageddon. Are we fulfilling Einstein’s prophesy should we use such a weapon or weapons with the possible assist of Israel?
In my daily news alerts, this article blazed out at me, Clinton backs bill on Congress OK for Iran war. The Democratic presidential front-runner, Sen. Hillary Clinton had this to say, "Any military action against Iran will have an immediate impact on our troops serving in Iraq, our allies in the region as well as long-term U.S. strategic interests,"But, it is this one that is the most frightening and calls into question our sovereignty, “AIPAC advocates are keeping all options on the table as a means of pressuring Iran to end its suspected nuclear weapons program.” For those of you who do not know what AIPAC stands for, it is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee which is a powerful lobbying group. I do not know about you, but I do not like any outside interest dictating to us what measures to take when it pertains to war fare.I am going to get two things off my chest right off the bat. First of all, that statement in which AIPAC wishes to keep all options on the table, notice the operative word, “suspected”? Where is the verifiable proof? Secondly, exactly whose interests does Senator Clinton have in mind as she rushes towards the White House? I fully believe that she is being unduly influenced by AIPAC and as far as I am concerned, their interests should not be our interests.In reading this article In Aipac Talk, Clinton Offers Up Red Meat Before Calling for Engagement With Iran where she addressed 1,700 members this quote coming from Clinton jumped out at me,“At 5:00 we got a call — not from my Senate leadership or my colleagues — but from Aipac, saying that the vote would be at 5:30,” Clinton recounted, chuckling. “Your intelligence sources are certainly beyond anything we have in Washington.”
This article goes onto report, “to Aipac’s recent legal troubles, involving two former staffers accused of passing classified information to the Israelis. And they cheered as Clinton wasted little time emphatically making a hard-line case for tough action to block Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons”
Just yesterday, CNN reported where Clinton passed the 50 percent mark in which Democrats are backing her candidacy and looking at this article and her support for Israel above all others within the region, it causes me great concern. To even deal with a lobby group in which two former staffers were accused of passing classified information onto Israel should be a concern for every single Democratic voter and more importantly the American people.
In speaking of verifiable proof as it pertains to nuclear weaponry, I am urging all to watch this feed,Dimona - Israeli Nuclear reactor. According to this feed, no plane is allowed to fly within its air space. We demand compliance from Iran and North Korea; why not Israel or even us for that matter? According to this feed, Israel is ranked as the fifth nuclear power. To help stabilize this region; why is there no call for Israel to dismantle this verifiable nuclear plant?
AIPAC does have power and you will be shocked in reading this article, The Lobby on Trial. Please pay close attention to this passage from it, “More than three years ago, the news that Rosen, the number-one lobbyist for Israel in Washington, and his sidekick Weissman had been indicted for violating the Espionage Act, for handing over top-secret intelligence to Israeli embassy officials, broke like a thunderclap over official Washington. Today, its echoes have petered out almost entirely,”
In reading this frightening article originally reported by Time magazine, “Larry Franklin, an analyst for the Defense Department in Washington” as one reads, “began cooperating with the FBI after agents first confronted him with evidence that he had given classified material to AIPAC, one of Washington's most powerful lobbying organizations. Israel and AIPAC have denied the spy allegations; neither the Pentagon nor Franklin would comment.”
As you will read, Condoleezza Rice then the NSA director and her deputy, Steven Hadley became aware of this FBI probe into AIPAC, Pres. Bush while attending an AIPAC conference, “thanked the organization for "serving the cause of America" and bringing to public attention the threat of Iran's development of nuclear weapons.” But, you will never hear from AIPAC of Israel’s nuclear program.
What precipitated our invasion into Iraq was that they had weapons of mass destruction. Of course that turned out to be false. We are now told that Iran is headed towards building a nuclear weapon in order to fear this nation into another preemptive war, but what astonishes me is that we are doing absolutely nothing when it comes to Israel’s capabilities.
In further addressing Israel’s nuclear capabilities, it will frighten you to read, “Israel has for years successfully skirted international nuclear safeguards and has come to develop a robust nuclear capability and the weapon systemsnecessary to hold at risk most of the countries in the Middle East. The Negev Nuclear Research Center, located about 10 kilometers southeast of Dimona, is at the heart of the Israeli nuclear program.”
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thanks Mary
The whistle blower of Israel's WMD program, Mordecahi Vanunu said: "The Israelis have 200 atomic weapons and they accuse the Palestinians and Muslims of terrorism. The Dimona is 46 years old; reactors last 25 to 30 years. The Dimona has never been inspected and Israel has never signed the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty but all the Arab states have." "Twenty years ago when I worked there they only produced when the air was blowing towards Jordan ten miles away. No one knows what is happening now. The world needs to wake up and see the real terrorism is the occupation and the Palestinians have lived under that terror regime for 40 years." "It's very sad that Hilary Clinton went to the Jewish Wailing Wall and forgot the real crying wall is the Palestinian wall; the apartheid wall, the wall is not for defense, but to keep this conflict permanent." "Not just the West Bank, but the US Media is also under occupation." Hear more under VANUNU ARCHIVES @ by Eileen Fleming (172 articles, 101 quicklinks, 274 diaries, 650 comments [16 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 4, 2007 at 10:10:21 AM  (0+)
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Reply: Americans are only dimly aware
of the suffering of Palestinians and the depradations of Israel. Our media only allows one side of the story to be told. That does not absolve us from our duty to inform ourselves as citizens about US collaboration and predatory policies in the Middle East. by Laudyms (0 articles, 1142 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 708 comments [138 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 4, 2007 at 1:01:55 PM (0+)
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Another viewpoint
One of our readers sent me this message. It offers a different viewpoint. I read Mary's piece and didn't see it as anti-semitic. But the point about ignoring other similar offenders is worth noticing. I always think that if we carried these criticisms of Israel to the Nth degree, we would have to give back all or most of the USA to the indigenous native americans and would have to pay them huge reparations, since we were far worse than Israel in engaging in genocide. Then, there are the Iranians who killed hundreds of thousand of Iraqi Sunnis. And then, how aboutt hose Hezbollah, killing leader after leader in Lebanon? The middle east is the most complicated, worst problem on the planet. Simple analysis and finger pointing does not work, does not provide solutions. We DO need to keep remembering the injustices and the terrorism. Both are wrong. But solutions will take a much more serious commitment and investment than the west or the Arab world have been willing to engage in. by Rob Kall (952 articles, 4177 quicklinks, 374 diaries, 2087 comments [45 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 4, 2007 at 2:09:45 PM (0+)
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Rob
the excerpt you quote deliberately and with malice distorts one and very important fact: all other foreign-oriented lobbies mentioned openly claim to pursue the foreign interests. AIPAC does not. It claims to represent not Israel as a country but the interests of the US Jews. That is the main difference and that is how the people of AIPAC shield themselves from criticism. In fact they lie to the whole world because they do not represent anyone but themselves and their masters whoever those are. Rob, you surely understand that anti-semitism is a label which is now glued on everyone exactly because of that. But here is wisdom: AIPAC are the worst antisemites because they use Jews and Jewish name for their own purposes. AIPAC in fact deliberately promotes virulent antisemitism because one off their cornerstones is to keep Jews in the fearful state. Make no mistake- their target are you, me and our children. As such they are worse than all the enemies of the Jews combined because they are liars, false friends. They are not even friends of Israel as a nation because they promote the dangerous and stupid policy of war. Moreover, since when do we acknowledge the criteria of AIPAC on who and what is antisemitic? You do not even notice, Rob, respectfully how they start to control you, how they define what you think and who you have to hate. AIPAC is the fifth column inside of the USA, enemy of everyone, including Jews, a parasite, feeding from our fears. So far not even one normal Jew in the US ( except for the super-rich and their servants) had benefited from the activity of AIPAC but the harm done to the image of the Jews and the Jewish soul is enormous. I would even call AIPAC the main corruptors of the Jewish soul. All real Jews in this country decline any connection to this sinister organization.AIPAC thus is also an impostor. I would like to say again that disclosing of AIPAC and its activities is not antisemitic because their activity is antisemitic in its entirety. by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4101 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 4, 2007 at 7:13:00 PM (0+)
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Reply: The hate Israel crowd
Rob, This site contains two or more hate Israel or anti AIPAC blogs almost every issue. The tone and content implies that the US policy is dominated and manipulated by pro Israel elements (read Jews) The idea of a Jewish conspiracy puppetmastering the government goes back to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," a major antisemitic forgery. This frightens me as a scholar of the Holocaust. No, I do not accept the excuse it is merely healthy criticism.The influence of the Arab states and oil interests on our policy far, far outstrips AIPAC by philip rosen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 98 comments) on Friday, Oct 5, 2007 at 8:43:05 AM (0+)
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Reply: My dear Sir,
we had some encounrters before and I hope you saw my approach to it and also you saw several times that I would vehemently protect the Jewish religion. Being a rational human being though you should recognize that Israel is not 'the Jews'. Israeli govt and its ideology claims to be 'the Jews' but that's hijacking. The same as Nigeria is not ' the Black people' or Denmark is not ' the Danish', Israel is not ' the Jews' and as such criticism of Israel is not hatred to the Jews. Furhermore, Holocaust ( as a matter of fact that name for the event is the name of the US movie and that is an ABOMINATION on its own. Holocaust means literally ' perishing in fire' that implies some kind of a natural phenomena which is insulting to the Jews and all people combined). is not an Israeli monopoly too. It should not be shamelessly used in the political game when every shill tramples on the bones of the dead. I am not sure about the influence of the 'Arabic states' you imply but as a person who has a certain experience wqith virulent antisemitism, whose childhood was spent right in front of Baby Yar and who himself had to run away exactly from that I can assure you that so far here, on this site criticism of Israeli govt, AIPAC and all self- proclaimed 'friends of the Jews' is very honest and very pointy. There is no such thing here as ' hate Israel crowd' primarily because it is stupid to 'hate Israel', same way as to 'hate France'. But we here hate malice. And Israeli govt, the ideology it applies and also its practice are malicious. To claim that the atrocities and apartheid are performed in the interests of the Jews is malicious even more. To spread hate and coerce the unfortunate and ignorant elements of this country to war (as AIPAC does) is evil. I am sorry for the harsh words but you better look very carefully around and understand who is your friend and who is your foe. That is with best wishes. by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4101 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Oct 5, 2007 at 9:05:48 AM (0+)
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Wake Up America
Finally, America wakes up and takes back it's hijacked foreign policy. AIPAC and the likes have been manipulating American foreign policy for decades. A consistent and well orchestrated relentless campaign lead by the pro-Israeli organizations operating in the US for so many years to dress Israeli interest to look like American Interest has blinded many American politicians and law makers and resulted in world-wide declining respect and lack of confidence in what Americans say or do. To give an example of how Israelis play on American emotions, When Israel made it's major offensive in South Lebanon in the mid-nineties, it called it Operations Grapes of Wrath. American associates Grapes of Wrath with poor families leaving their homes and farms as they became poor due to changes in Agricultural industry and to escape being slaves in their own farms. You can see how the Israelis play on American emotions, by calling an offensive which killed many civilians with name of an American endeavor for freedom and better life. I remember, in the seventies when I applied for a visa to go the US, and when the visa application was given to me, I thought there was a mistake as the name Israel , the holocaust and anti-semitic where appearing in many parts of the application and for once I thought I am traveling to Israel not the US by Hamad S Alomar (12 articles, 0 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 20 comments) on Friday, Oct 5, 2007 at 5:36:36 PM (0+)
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Dear Sir
There is no doubt that your residence in the Soviet Union and its anti Zionist campaign has had a negative effect on you. There will be another Babi Yar as the transparent anti Israel campaign continues, just as the Stalin policy almost led to another genocide if it were not for his death. You seem to separate the Jewish religion from the Jewish people and become ultra legallistic regarding definitions.The Holocaust had its origins, in the view of the National Socialists, of Jewish power, from defamation to genocide. by philip rosen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 98 comments) on Friday, Oct 5, 2007 at 5:37:17 PM (0+)
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Reply: Oh, My God
or Jehovah or whatever. You really think that way? You really think that I cannot think on my own? And I have not separated anything, you might be dreaming. You know what? Go to where I sent all people like you- to www.antiwar.com and read articles by Justin Raimondo. He is a conservative. I agree with him. He had never been to the Soviet Union and was not subjected to all that 'propaganda' Forget about me, just read him. by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4101 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Oct 5, 2007 at 7:07:39 PM (0+)
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