This all is irrelevant, sorry

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=320

In the Y2005 I have  posted a diary above ' The Clintonian plague'.  The issue was and is not   Clinton as a person, no matter what the MSM tells us and no matter  what stories she tells about herself. It is about a party to come to power  or not.  It is not the President but  the Party we vote for. The MSM is deliberately hiding this aspect. Now, the  Clinton Unholy Couple had sold the Demparty fair and square. And they do everything  for the Demparty to lose these elections. They had  practically  already succeded. THATs the issue and not the skirt  and not the coattails and not Bill's  escapades and not Hillary's compulsive lying  which she cannot help. THEY  ARE TRAITORS. And Mandela has nothing to do with this and Annan has nothing to do with this and the  whole suffrage  movement has nothing to do with this  and Golda Meir has nothing to do with this and we here do not bash women- we fight the TREASON!  Hundreds of thousands if not  millions of people died because  of this abomination and are dying still. You know, Margaret, strange as it sounds if Hillary, Condi, Albright, Merkel and others would have somehow confined themselves to monopoly games the world would feel much safer. Obviously we would feel even more safe if such madmen like Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney, GW, Wolfowitz, Ramsfeld, Mukasey, Chertoff, etc would be confied to the asylum. No gender privilege here.

by Mark Sashine (42 articles, 19 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 3219 comments) on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 10:05:26 AM
 

Bill Clinton a madman? Come on!!

"Obviously we would feel even more safe if such madmen like Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney, GW, Wolfowitz, Ramsfeld, Mukasey, Chertoff, etc would be confied to the asylum".

With Democrats like you why do we need Republicans?   Ms Bassett's comments come from a life time of experience.  From where comes your experience?  To use Bill Clinton in the same  sentense as Dick Cheney, GW, Wolfowitz, "Ramsfeld", Mukasey, Chertoff, etc is childish at best to be written off as the spew of a "foamer".

by Bob Kemper (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 11:59:01 AM
 

OK,

In my embedded diary entry it does say  a lot why I think what I think about Bill. And again, you recognize a guy when you see one as well as by his deeds. I am not a Democrat, neither am I a GOP supporter: you can see  that out of my writings.  I  am anti-Bush. When I see the deal I report it.  The lifetime of experience... OK, from my my experience  as a former refugee, an immigrant, a postman in the refugee setllements, from the interactions with a lot of scum I surely had developed an acute  sense of scum when I see it. That's why I say what I say about Clintonian Plague.

OK,  in all fairness maybe a private room for Bill should be assigned but in  the same asylum, sorry.

by Mark Sashine (42 articles, 19 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 3219 comments) on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 12:54:53 PM
 

What makes you believe Hillary is empathetic?

She went to college and she didn't have to "work her way through school", some one had enough money to pay for her education at an exclusive womens college. She graduated, and was a corporate lawyer (Wal-Mart) for 16 years, she married a Governor, then she became the first lady, then because of her husbands connections, in the Democratic party, she was elected Senator..now just where were her "struggles", did she ever have to work a minimum paying or low wage job....and support her children, by herself? Did she ever sit up worrying about health care for her children, Chistmas presents or even keeping the heat on, so her children wouldn't freeze..? Did she ever have to worry about paying for "day care" or food?  Give me a break..that woman has never wanted for anything, but somehow women think she's empathetic..or maybe if they put a women in the White House, all women will get a golden pu**y, automatically...

by Susan Nelsen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 217 comments) on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 12:37:10 PM
 

If only..

Hillary would have held on to her idealism and feminism.  Believe me, I want to vote for a woman, but not a "tough as a man", calculating, win at all costs woman.  As far as I'm concerned, she has betrayed us.   It's time for some fresh ideas, some hope, and yes, some change.  We need a new direction, it's a pivotal time in history, and we can't squander it on electing a woman, just because she's a woman.

by Judy Ramsey (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 72 comments) on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 12:38:17 PM
 

Thanks for reading and answering

What's important is that we think of this year. To those who do not like the triangulation of the DLC, spell it out. To those who don't want a combined ticket of the two, in whichever order, say why. To those who realize that experience without insight can be destructive, let's talk.

Personally, I think it would be helpful to talk about the variation on an old theme: My party right or wrong, but always my party.

by Margaret Bassett (19 articles, 1024 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 569 comments) on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 1:17:16 PM
 

I'll never forget Ruby Ridge

Guess if you all were out thissa way, yall wouldn't have forgotten Bill Clinton's assault by his FBI and ATF appointments.

How can Randy Weaver EVER forget watching his 14yo son's arm get shot off and if that wasn't enough, the kid kept running so they shot him in the back. Then his momma runs out to the field, with babe in arm after her son, and
POW, POW POW POW, the  momma and babe fall to the ground. How can the Harris family not mourn their son that basically "lived" with the Weavers, a friend of the boy, when he got hammered with bullets?

How can I forget the Clintons? I simply cannot. I highly doubt that Randy Weaver or the Harris's will ever forget them and their rogue assault of tyrannical means.

You say well that Weaver had guns and was selling guns. Yes, he was but only for money. What have the Clintons sold for money, a bit more than a couple crates of guns. Do some research.

I too would like to see a woman in the WhiteHouse. However, the "white woman" is discriminated against WORSE than the black man"--Soc 321, Social organization--college class-1997. The Black man will have to first be lifted up on the plane before the white woman can sit there. It's the way it is and proven. Patience, let Obama be the MALE, and this will open the door to women faster than any other means.

How can one even forget Waco? These are tyranny at best. All under the Clinton Administration. Sorry Margaret, with all due respect, read some Gerry Spence books and find out the undertones of the Clinton Adminstration.

Were these Americans all that bad? Nope, I don't think so. However, was the assault on these Americans overkill? Absolutely.

Amazing what we forget...and forgive? OMG, not ,me.

Hurt me once, shame on you, hurt me twice, shame on me. Clintons had their chance, and it is time to rid the Bushes and Clintons from the White House. What have we become a dynasty  government?

by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 200 comments) on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 1:51:33 PM
 

I too remember Ruby Ridge

I remember especially theSenate hearings which became a part of that story, and of the Dividians', too. And people who listen to Rush Limbaugh remind me of refugees in Arkansas.

Those are indeed reasons not to put another Clinton in the White House. What disturbs me the most of those 8 years was stealth military buildup. Bill Clinton came in with only a skirmish to look at, Somalia, and thoughts of how things would be in Europe after Germany was one nation. If you read the book by Dana Priest called "The Mission" you may agree with me that the US was already headed for what appeared to be world dominance.

I rather think we know the mighty have fallen. It's hard to know how things will work out with either Bill or Hillary in the future. Somehow it seems like they left Arkansas in better shape than they found it. But the United States is different from a small largely rural, landlocked area.

The Democratic Leadership Council seems to have formed as an answer to having more influence from the governors. And after Clinton came another governor who was hell bent on directing the world has made even worse mistakes.

People have choices. They can simmer. Or they can vote and think it will fix things. Or they can recognize how government has let them down. It is for that reason I wish the impeachment inquiry would hurry faster. At one time I thought it might be better timing to have impeachment action after the conventions and before the general election. Things are so uncertain now I would like to throw impeachment into the mix. Have advocated that avenue for nine months now. Thoughts?

by Margaret Bassett (19 articles, 1024 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 569 comments) on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 5:20:12 PM
 

Rush? Oh puke

I blame Rush dimbulb for such misinformation. Whether it be global warming or the earth is flat, Rush is the biggest spinmeister of all (maybe O'Reilly beats him, however).

The better call-in program is Washington Journal on C-Span. It's hard Not  to bite your tongue with some calls, but generally ppl ARE waking up.

You have me beat on the Cspan hearings, Margaret. I didn't start watching Cspan until 1995. I was drawn into court TV and before you know it, Cspan had my attention.

Kudos on your article.

by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 200 comments) on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 8:30:53 PM
 

Tell me what would be Obama's chances if he won

On the bigger issues, I mean. Can he get it across that there's a big world out there and everyone wants to get in the act? These top/down versus bottom/up analogies seem to have worldwide significance. It seems elementary to me that being progressive means wanting change and being willing to work for it.

There is tension, hopefully a creative one, between leaders and followers. If leaders are not held to account by their constituents they become fat and lazy. It leads to fat and lazy bench sitters. So, if a presidential candidate says "I can do this for you" he/she is essentially selling a bill of goods he can't deliver. Congress still has some say in the matter. We are what we eat, and wear, and drive, etc. For years now, consumerism has been the major concern. Much of what is consumed has little lasting value. Fat and lazy, big time.

by Margaret Bassett (19 articles, 1024 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 569 comments) on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 8:57:39 PM
 

Ok, thoughts for you all.

Why is that we need trillions of dollars  to lose to be against a war? WE unleashed it, WE started it, WE killed hundreds of thousands and WE then  say.'Oh God, it sucks life out of the country.' WE sucked life, literally from another country; there are  DEAD people out there.  Why  do we need someone to tell us about trillions of dollars lost? If it was a gain we then would rejoice?

The problem is with us.  It is a very big problem, a disease from which  societies usually fall.  We behave like those ancient Greeks in Athens who did not want to stop the war because  it lowered the prices of herrings. Guess what, there are no more of those Greeks. Not a single man. The new Greeks have nothing to do with those. 

The candidates who do not openly  condemn the Iraq/Afghanistan  war as a moral abomination are the ones  who only contribute to the disease.  End of the story.

by Mark Sashine (42 articles, 19 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 3219 comments) on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 at 7:41:20 AM
 

Follow the money, debate the morality later, Mark

In a republican form of government with a capitalist economy, talking money in relation to foreign policy is a form of morality.

Little examples: 1. Cost of supplying Guard troops by a state prompts its governor to wonder how to plan a budget. Maybe it's for bridge repairs and school, but homeland security gets in the way. 2. Inflation rises and citizens turn against armed conflict when they can't pay on the mortgage. 3. Poor, undereducated young men sign on because they get a bonus which is more than they could have earned in a year at home, only to be maimed and to come home poor and undereducated and crippled.

The absence of war does not translate into peace unless a full and prosperous economy is made for consumer goods instead of more armament. The US is something like the teenager who squanders all his allowance the first day and then pouts for the rest of the week because no one gives him a break. That young person will moralize about how he has needs--gas money, a burger, some headache pills, etc. What he has is no more money for the week.

Political scientists who harp on the economy are labelled as economic determinists. Another approach is to preach kindness and equality. Whatever approach a citizen takes, he will think about his pocketbook when he gets in the voting booth.

by Margaret Bassett (19 articles, 1024 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 569 comments) on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 at 8:43:11 AM
 

Yes and No

I am here , in this country for nearly 20 years and, respectfully  most of the US citizens I have encountered  are very bad money managers. Neither do they use their 'pocketbook' thinking when they  exercise political clout ( not that they  can do much). Most of them are fairly irrational beings as we all are and they also are extremely self- absorbed. Pocketbook thinking is invented partially by the MSM to pamper the 'Almighty Rational ' Johnny  by an illusion   so that he does not feel bad about himself stuck in some dead-end job and having a lousy wife at home ( sorry).

And what  does that mean- argue about morality later? When?  You are older than me but I am in my 50s and I still hear that it has to be put aside for later.. I guess, after my death? Sorry, I am still alive and  I will   argue whatever I need to argue right now. I have a child, a young man, this war targets  the young people, it is unbearable to me  that young people die. As such I  state unequivocally that  there is no such thing as a comfortable time to discuss morality- the time is always now and at least here, on opednews I want 100% of the participants to agree that this war is an abomination. But I cannot get even that. That is a disease.

by Mark Sashine (42 articles, 19 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 3219 comments) on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 at 9:07:34 AM
 

One more:)

Margaret, if we postpone the discussion  a little more, this article will disappear from the front page and... there will be no discussion.

by Mark Sashine (42 articles, 19 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 3219 comments) on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 at 9:29:57 AM