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December 14, 2007 at 11:31:20

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Re: Michael Mukasey And Jewish Conservatism.

by Lawrence Velvel     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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December 14, 2007

 Re:  Michael Mukasey And Jewish Conservatism.  

            I shall write relatively briefly today on a matter which touches a subject I’ve long, but perhaps wrongly, considered sensitive.  The sensitive subject is the turn of American Jews toward conservatism.  The matter relating to this is Michael Mukasey on waterboarding.

 

            The overall subject has in recent years been sensitive, I’ve thought, because so many of the neocons who brought us the Iraq war were Jewish.  The men at the very top weren’t:  bush II, Cheney, Rumsfeld.  But several people just below, or with influence, were:  Wolfowitz, Feith, Abrams, Perle, William Kristol.  To bring up the American Jewish turn toward conservatism in such circumstances seemed to me likely to simply fan the ever present, if often banked, fires of anti-Semitism, fires which have certainly not been diminished by the leftish view that Israel is responsible for our problems.  Yet recently, when my views toward Mukasey began boiling over to the point that I have felt a need to do a radio show on the question of Jewish conservatism, and have begun reading materials on the subject in preparation, I found that there is a perhaps surprising amount of writing on the subject.  So maybe it is not as sensitive as I thought.  Or, if it is, people have decided to write about it regardless.

 

            At present, I have not yet read widely enough to feel reasonably educated in the premises.  My views largely still stem from growing up in the home of Russian Jewish immigrants who had a strong belief in social justice and great sympathy for labor (even though a union was more than a little responsible for the destruction of my old man’s small business).  My folks, before I was born, had themselves been part of the laboring class for a reasonable period, my mother a milliner and my father a laundryman.  I grew up with certain values, obtained from them, from their friends, who had similar or identical backgrounds, from reading, and from the fact that people of their stripe invariably voted for the Democrats -- for FDR and Truman -- and favored what the New Deal was trying to accomplish.

 

            It always seemed to me, quite wrongly and very naively I’m now sure, that several of the inculcated values were necessarily ones which stemmed from a Russian Jewish, semi socialistic background.  But in later years I came to believe that several of the values I hold dear are, to a very major extent, signposts as well of the Protestant rural America of the 1800s and well into the mid 20th century, of the working class of all racial and ethnic groups, of Scandinavian American Midwest culture, of much Asian American culture, and others.  I am speaking here of values such as hard work, modesty, honesty and a sense of fairness to others.  The only group, as it were, that one might think gravely lacking in such attributes is, sad to say, the group which controls America today:  the white collar class in business, the professions and government.

 

            I am, of course, not praising or indicting every member of any of the aforementioned groups or others, but am speaking in broad generalities that I think cannot be readily dismissed as obviously incorrect.

 

            Which brings me to Michael Mukasey.  Mukasey is Jewish -- he even went to an Orthodox Jewish (if possibly modern) prep school.  He belongs to a people that often has been viciously persecuted for 1,500 or 2,000 years.  They have been slaughtered, tortured and dispossessed, time and time again.  Long before Hitler there was the Spanish Inquisition -- which used waterboarding (and may even have invented it).  Coming from this background, and growing up in a period (the 1940s and 1950s) when the human (and humane) attitudes of the general Jewish community favored social justice (as indicated by overwhelming support for FDR and Truman), Michael Mukasey nevertheless does not know if waterboarding is torture?  The son of a bitch cannot bring himself to say that a technique used in a Spanish war against his own people, a technique considered torture for 500 years, is torture?  I imagine it must be my background, as described earlier, but I just cannot understand how someone who comes out of Mukasey’s background can say what he has been saying.  I can understand it when some crumb from the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page tells me in emails that we are not doing torture, or when a lying bum like George Bush claims it.  But a Jewish guy who even went to a Jewish religious school? --  he claims it is possible that waterboarding is not torture?  This is just too much for my poor mind to grasp.  I cannot grasp it even if one were to say Mukasey has acted out of ambition to become Attorney General.  It seems to me like a desertion of the most basic human values that a Jewish guy from New York City, and from a religious prep school no less, must have been exposed to all the time.

 

            And it brings up the broader question I adverted to earlier, the question I am in process of reading about.  How is it, and why is it, that so many Jews have become so conservative?  What are all the reasons?  And this implicates another, conceivably even broader question.  How is it and why is it that so many American of all creeds, faiths and types -- Americans, for God’s sake -- have come to accept torture as just one of those things? 

 

Maybe, though, I am to some extent focusing through the wrong end of the telescope.  Maybe the focus should be on the fact that so many Americans of all faiths, creeds and types never accepted torture, and an increasing number of them seem to be rejecting torture as time moves on.  Yet, if that is true, it only causes me to wonder the more about a guy like Mukasey and about the wing of conservative, even neocon, Jews whom he may represent.*

 


* This posting represents the personal views of Lawrence R. Velvel.  If you wish to comment on the post, on the general topic of the post, or on the comments of others, you can, if you wish, post your comment on my website, VelvelOnNationalAffairs.com.  All comments, of course, represent the views of their writers, not the views of Lawrence R. Velvel or of the Massachusetts School of Law.  If you wish your comment to remain private, you can email me at Velvel@mslaw.edu.   

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Lawrence R. Velvel is the Dean of the Massachusetts School of Law, which educates the working class, mid-life people, minorities and immigrants. He is the editor of a journal called The Long Term View, hosts an hour-long TV book show called Books of Our Time, which appears in the New England and Mid-Atlantic states on Comcast's CN8 and is streamed on the internet, and hosts a radio program called What The Media Doesn’t Tell You.  The radio program, which is carried on World Radio Network and is streamed on the internet, discusses important matters which the media doesn’t disclose (or insufficiently discloses) and the reasons for the nondisclosure.

Velvel wrote a 1970 book on the constitutionality of the Viet Nam War and civil disobedience, and a recent quartet called Thine Alabaster Cities Gleam, comprised of:  Misfit In America; Trail of Tears; The Hopes and Fears of Future Years: Loss and Creation; and The Hopes and Fears of Future Years: Defeat and Victory.

Velvel blogs at velvelonnationalaffairs.com. His 2004 and 2005 posts have been published in Blogs From the Liberal Standpoint: 2004-2005.

 

 

 

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Richard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.
Richard MynickRichard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.

You raise several excellent questions -- the most pressing

of which is probably "How is it and why is it that so many American of all creeds, faiths and types -- Americans, for God’s sake -- have come to accept torture as just one of those things? "

I'm also from a Russian Jewish background, & am well aware of the phenomenon of increasing Jewish conservatism among my relatives. Certainly this has much to do with the belief (whether justified or not) that Republicans will protect Israel more ferociously than Democrats. // I'll also note in this connection that today's American Jews are extremely affluent, relative to those "semi-socialistic" Russian Jews of yesteryear. It's easier & more natural to be principled & passionate about social justice when you're a persecuted & impoverished minority, than when you're rich.

However, the descent to depravity which you allude to in your question about Americans accepting torture as "one of those things" -- in my opinion, this reflects broad trends in American culture generally. The atomization of American society; the materialism & hypercommercialism; the set of incentives; the systematic dumbing down and vulgarization of everything; the relentless worship of money, violence and power -- all this cannot help but produce a society of callous savagery. Our society is an "alienation machine," designed to take in human beings at one end of the production line, & to spew out obedient insensate grasping conformist robots at the other end.

In a society whose organizing principle is the individual pursuit of wealth, it's inevitable that human solidarity, and the higher qualities of which humans are capable (like sensitivity, compassion, decency, etc) will be deprecated, depreciated, & eventually will atrophy entirely. That's what's happening.

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1013 comments) on Friday, December 14, 2007 at 5:20:49 PM
 


This quote summarizes the nature of my concerns and the content of personal experiences which stir my activism:

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement on human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves". --Paul Revere, House of Commons

Kathryn SmithThis quote summarizes the nature of my concerns and the content of personal experiences which stir my activism:

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement on human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves". --Paul Revere, House of Commons

I understand but also have serious concerns

Hello folks

Here is yet one more Russian Jew weighing in!

 I am concerned that when referring to the political matters afoot, that there be a conscious separation of the word (and especially the concept) "Jewish" vs "Israel". Just because Israel----180 degrees counter to Jewish teaching----as a political entity condones torture or war with Iraq, does not mean that JEWS do.

Similarly, just because Wolfowitz, Perl et al are Jewish and AS INDIVIDUALS helped the rush to war does not mean that they, as individual people, represent the "Jewish" sentiment.

It is very important to make this distinction:

A) My nephew, the classroom clown and a very popular kid, came home from school on only one occasion with a black eye: The day he wore his yamulka to school.

 B) I will absolutely never forget the day of the surprise Yom Kippur attack. On the day when we are fasting and praying in earnest, all day long , without even water to drink for 24 hours....is the day those vicious Arabs chose to attack.

C) I myself was brutally attacked on a verbal level on Moveon.org's forum once it became known that I am Jewish. The hate slogans were unbelievable, resembling Nazi Germany: "Evil baby-killing Jews" Etc I had been respected on that forum until the moment I disclosed my Jewish background. All of a sudden people on that forum were all but sticking knives down my throat. How little would I have suspected that my "liberal" compatriots were as bad as the actual Nazi concentration camp guards themselves.

Hezbollah can throw rockets at Israel, yet ISRAEL is blamed when they fight back. Israel has been the subject of a genocidal vow, yet ISRAEL is always the one to take the blame.  How kind.

No, I do not support Israel's condoning of torture or war. Neither does Judaism itself, which in fact teaches "turn the other cheek".

I think the problem of pro-war sentiment coming from Israel and some Jews (as distinct from "Jews" generically) comes from being sick and tired of turning the other cheek and being targeted in the most hateful way. The Holocaust happened because Jews weren't armed with ammunition. If they had ammunition, and hadn't "turned the other cheek", we might not have lost 6 million to Hitler.

Similarly, Israel is arming itself and fighting back OUT OF NECESSITY, being the subject of a vow to be wiped off the map.

Okay, in the process of so doing, let's freely admit that Israel (as distinct from "JEWS" ) has done some pretty heinous things. And I agree that they are wrong and heinous. I want to see Israel acting differently in this regard. I hold them responsible.

But I have to say that being attacked as they are by their neighboring countries and by an Arab-spun press (coached by the same individuals who coached the Nazi propogandizing, FYI) it also is understandable that they are stung by anger and feel a strong desire to see those who viciously vow to wipe them off the map, and spin the press in their slanted direction .....given a strong message of "No, we will not take this".

Anybody who objects to that has read Arab spin and been brainwashed by it. For example, we hear about "Jews" (vs Israeli government) bulldozing ARab buildings, and the Arabs moan "Our land, our land!" Yet, do we hear about every detailed act of war done by the Arabs? Nope. So we aren't coached to hate them as we are the Jews (I mean, er....the Israeli government).

I also will never forget seeing an eyewitness news tv airing of Arabs teaching their preschoolers to sing hate songs against Jews and to moan "our land, our land" even at ages 4 and 5 years old. The brain washing made me shiver, and to see little kids----usually so full of love and truth---laughing with pleasure at these hate messages was horrifying. That is the precursor to the end product we are dealing with, and I bitterly resent anyone who says otherwise.

People can and should have sympathy for discrimination against blacks, but Israel as the subject of a vow to be wiped off the map receives only finger-pointing. To what else can we attribute this but biased propaganda? Think about it folks and please have a heart. Again the hate sentiment being stirred against Jews (vs Israel) by the liberal movement is of serious concern. Let' s just hope the Nazi concentration camps don't happen again.

by Kathryn Smith (77 articles, 0 quicklinks, 28 diaries, 251 comments) on Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:37:10 PM
 


A 'senior' world citizen concerned about how badly our shared domicile is being ravaged by imperialists, dominionists, neo-cons and evangelists.
syed mahdiA 'senior' world citizen concerned about how badly our shared domicile is being ravaged by imperialists, dominionists, neo-cons and evangelists.

"I understand but also have serious concerns" by Velvel

I sympathise with the Jews and the likes of 'anamerican'who has commented on Velvel's op-ed piece. I would have sympathised more and perhaps even fought with the Israelis, if Israel had been forced down the gullets of the Germans by the 'Victors' in WWII. Why Palestine? God's promise? Yes, God gave them Judea and Samaria courtesy Moses but then they lost it TWICE, courtesy Nebuchadnasser and Emperor Titan! At the best the Jewish State lasted 400 years milleniums back. Even the Arabs had a State in Spain for 700 years! This last does not give them a God given right to get it back with the help and connivance of the Russians and the Chinese in late 21st Century. Yes, "land, land, land" because Israel was not established on EMPTY LAND. Palestine had Palestinians, like it has always had. Remember the "Philistines" in the Torah and the Talmud, who were slaughtered by Joshua or whoever it was in the FIRST RAPE of Palestine, thousands of years back. How similar is today to YESTERDAY!   

by syed mahdi (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 117 comments) on Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 8:37:04 AM
 


Author of four books, part-time college professor, Ph.D American history Carnegie Mellon University.Graduate work in Clark University, Gratz College of Jewish studies.
philip rosenAuthor of four books, part-time college professor, Ph.D American history Carnegie Mellon University.Graduate work in Clark University, Gratz College of Jewish studies.

Palestine

There never was a country called Palestine nor was there an ethnic group called Palestinians. The PLO came into existence in 1964. The people living in the area once called the British Mandate, before part of the Ottoman Empire, and before that the Byzantine Empire,were identified as Arabs. The Arabs, who never liked the idea of separate states, entered in 636. They never set up a separate state. The Arabs states had opportunities to do so in 1937, 1947, 1967, 2000 but never agreed to do so. The area set aside for Jews amounted to 1% of Arab lands created in the Middle East and North Africa. But it serves to get sympathy by concocting a story of poor little Palestinians attacked in their homeland.The Jews had a presence in the land since biblical times and never left it.

by philip rosen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 87 comments) on Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 3:32:44 PM
 


Richard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.
Richard MynickRichard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.

Re: "There never was a country called Palestine"

Isn't it rather more important that there were real human beings living in that land, than whether or not they officially registered their land with a European-style "Bureau of Recognized Nation-States?" It's ethnocentric to impose white man's standards on people who aren't/weren't culturally predisposed to "set up a state" in the same way that European settlers might. The non-existence of an "official state" doesn't really justify driving people away from land where they've lived for thousands of years.

According to Dark Ages America, by Morris Berman, on the eve of WWI, there were about 85,000 Jews living in Palestine (p. 192). True, that's a "presence," as you said. But what you left out in your account is that there were also plenty of non-Jews living there -- about 6 times as many. So you could also have said, just as accurately, that "The Arabs had a presence in the land since biblical times and never left it."

And at that time, the Jews also did not have an "official state called Israel." Suppose the Arabs of that time had driven all the Jews out of that area. Suppose that their spokesmen then defended this action using an "Arab-ified version" of the very arguments you advance here -- namely, that the Jews had no official state, and that the Arabs had had a presence there (6 times larger than the Jewish presence, in fact) since Biblical times. Then suppose Arab spokesmen scornfully added that the now-homeless Jews (now living in poverty-stricken refugee camps) were just trying to "get sympathy by concocting a story of poor little Jews attacked in (and driven out of) their homeland." That would put a different spin on things, now wouldn't it.

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1013 comments) on Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 6:26:31 PM
 


Richard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.
Richard MynickRichard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.

Excuse me, but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of

the conflict between Israel & its neighbors. You talk about "those vicious Arabs" in the same post where you complain about anti-Semitic prejudice. Do you see any hint of contradiction there?

You write: "Anybody who objects to that has read Arab spin and been brainwashed by it." I grew up being fed this kind of pro-Israel propaganda, know the whole story inside & out, and recognize that you've swallowed it all, hook line & sinker. You're under the impression that there's only one side to this story -- and you're dead wrong. There's a whole other side that you know nothing about, and that side has plenty of validity -- more, in fact, than the one you've been fed.

You write, "Israel is ... fighting back OUT OF NECESSITY..." That's a good example of turning reality on its head. Israel is the aggressor, not the "innocent victim." You owe it to yourself to learn the real history, before further embarrassing yourself without realizing it.

As one little hint, your sentence "Hezbollah can throw rockets at Israel, yet ISRAEL is blamed when they fight back" demands examination. This is a perfect example of turning the real history on its head. Israel has stolen land that doesn't belong to it, and colonized that land, by means of a brutal occupation. It has invaded southern Lebanon several times. That is why Hezbollah "throws rockets" at it. You're pretending that the whole story starts with Hezbollah's rockets. That's like discussing the settlers of the American West and the American Indians, and pretending that the whole story of conflict started when some Indians attacked a wagon train one day.

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1013 comments) on Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 11:14:47 AM
 


My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

ardee D.My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

You seem more than a bit misinformed

Another Russian Jew weighs in (where do we all come from anyway?)......

I will not bother pointing out the dichotomy in your post bemoaning "prejudices against jews" while speaking with great prejudice against arabs. The problem with all humans is our ability to rationalize beyond credibility.

I would urge you to read a new book, "The Red House" which details the background behind the formation of the state of Israel. The house referred to was the Jerusalem headquarters for ben Gurion and the leadership of the movement to restore a jewish homeland. In the thirties that leadership spoke of the necesity of ridding the (not yet conceived) nation of a miilion arab residents. So do not speak to me of unfairness until you yourself know what it is you speak about.

As to jewish resistance to the nazis, I suggest you also read about the uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto which tied down three panzer divisions sorely needed on the Russian front. This was a particular point of pride to me in my youth amidst the knowledge of six million going almost sheeplike to their deaths.

As to the original gist of this thread, Jews have traditionally been liberal and solidly democratic here in America. That they now bcome increasingly conservative is puzzling to be certain. It may very well have much to do with the heinous policies of the state of Israel towards its arab cousins and the fact that allies for Israel are becoming harder to find unless one seeks among the far right.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2388 comments) on Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 6:06:33 PM
 


Lifelong reader, sometime writer with eclectic tastes and libertarian leanings. Don't hold my semi-notorious Berkeley history against me, I settled down so completely after 40 that I can barely recall my loosy-goosy self. But it sure beats going to the same party every night.
LaudymsLifelong reader, sometime writer with eclectic tastes and libertarian leanings. Don't hold my semi-notorious Berkeley history against me, I settled down so completely after 40 that I can barely recall my loosy-goosy self. But it sure beats going to the same party every night.

The unthinkable becomes usual

Watch many movies? then you've seen overkill in every imaginable way. The young of today don't have the Lone Ranger to speak up for human rights or the underdog. Today's message is plain: underdogs get creamed.

And the possibility of group cohesion that allowed our own Founders to confront repressive authority?  It is disparaged. Why should the peons be told that unity is strength?

In the face of all this perception management it is not surprising that some identify with oppressors and want to 'win' at all cost. They may have vast rationales for why their panic and hysteria have allied them with repression, or why they are entitled by personal history to bully the rest of us.  They are both pitiful and dangerous.

It is our responsibility to speak up at every occasion for human rights and values, and face down the politics of violence that the corporate state promotes.

by Laudyms (0 articles, 680 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 327 comments) on Saturday, December 15, 2007 at 1:54:45 PM
 

 

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