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January 26, 2008 at 07:37:14
LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of happiness now that Dennis is out of the race by ladybroadoak Page 1 of 2 page(s) |
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I don' t know what to think since Dennis Kucinich has left the ring of those pursuing the presidency.. and I won't know what to think until I hear Dennis' statement on Friday.
But I do know how I am feeling. I am feeling glum. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is the phrase that goes begging at this point.
As someone who will not get excited by any democratic (and sickened when Hillary gets the nomination) - I cennot support Ron Paul's candidacy. I've done way too much research into him, his supporters and the ideologue platfrom on which he runs. Below is my specific reasoning as to WHY that is.
I really have concluded that much of what we are seeing is a direct result of the THEOCRATIC mindset in work in America. It's not just that the media is able to get away with being able to subvert THE LAW, which they most certainly have when it came to Dennis' media blackout - but those in power know exactly how to manipulate people based on this covert and sick religious militancy people in the United States subscribed to. I don't care if it's evangelicals, new agers (yes!), scientologists (which are legion in Ron Paul's campaign, btw), rapturists (as opposed to evangelicals) --that religious imperative is running wild in the US historical debate of today.
This "debate" that is taking place is overt and sinister. Rather than facing a direct and obvious discussion, it comes out sideways - rather than discussing if all people are equal under the eyes of the law we have discussions of "gay marriage", of "who supports Martin Luather King the most", "do we bomb all the Muslims?" ..
The REAL debate has been delayed by the timely advent in the US discussion by George Bush's disastrous presidency with seven years of direct repression and subversion of the discussion of America's soul and whither it goes into this new Millenium. The Clinton tag team surely has no answers. Obama says: we must work together. Me, I don't work with religious BIGOTS.
I found it very telling while watching the NYT series called Purple States. A man who is wretched as he's been "downsized" and margainalized in the Atlantic United States. He is entitled by his NYT to go and visit each candidate. His reaction is that he is REALLY For Dennis, because he says Dennis most represented "true" Christianity, as opposed to those waving a cross!! This is very telling, at least to my mind. Would the guy work to get Dennis elected - of COURSE not. And this is illustrative of the nasty little debate everyone avoids, the truth that is SELF EVIDENT that no one wants to say any more.
My own morality has been totally challenged since the arrival of Bill Clinton. I am now on year 16 of wondering how long the charade goes on .. and how long is all this going to last. I have been given no one to support except for Dennis Kuchinich in all that time.
I intend to write up more of my observations on this and why the US will not support a person of conviction who suggests American uphold the rule of law. This is NOT mutually exclusive concepts although Bush and Dick Cheney&Co would have one think that they are. The leadership of the Bush Administration has been .. well, we all KNOW .. but the vast numbers of the "religious" voting blocks do not. How the executive branch and the fourth branch of US government accomplished their destruction of America needs to be examined very very closely by all of us.
Dennis was the spokesperson of last resort for many of us - he MUST hang onto his Congressional seat and it's sure bet that Ohio is also being covert in its discussions and Dennis has a vital role to play in Ohio now. I wish him (and Elizabth) Godspeed.
I don't care what Dennis decides - I will support whatever decision he has made. But I am certain of one thing - he will keep the REAL discussions "On the table" as long as he is able. He's seen the damage that religiosity and lieing and deception lead to and he is STILL angry. GREAT! that's what made him my "mouth" in the public debate. He and Wexler have proven to be the great exemplars of conscience, although Bernie Frank is startlingly refreshing. Mike Gravel, Cynthia McKinney - there ARE a few.
I won't be making any decision as to a candidate to support, I"ll just be trying to assist those who want real spiritual debate open and free. The republicans devasted themselves by not allowing a free open discussion and now the democrats have truly done themselves in .. what's next I don't know.
Until that vital discussion of "are all humans created equal" gains a place in our very public discussions, all that takes place on the political scene is just matter of tactics on how to deal with the idea that they are NOT. America is lead day to day by representatives who truly believe that some are NOT and that is why FISA and the torture issue are dominant in our public discourse. Jay Rockerfeller and Feinstein, to my mind, are the biggest tacticians in figuring out how to rig things so that discussion is subdued forever. Ron Paul has very very little chance to change this - for them, he who has the gold makes the rules.
Any, and I mean any, organization that puts money, property ane prestige above it's considerations of spiritual considerations is doomed to failure - and that's America today. All men are created EQUAL and they are endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS. NOT JUST AMERICANS!
Think about it. I do, constantly. And it means that I should not fear nor cave in to those who would make armaments to the tune of 85% of the US budget, now cave in to those who would "save civilization" for the West. Ron Paul is not MY mouthpeice in this debate - if he had it right he would have refused to go on TV to debate when Dennis was getting kicked, he would be pursuing impeachment rather than appealing to those who don't want to obey the laws, he would actively be out working for the end of the oppression of those held back from social justice instead of looking for photo ops with black people and he'd keep his ass away from Bob Jones University.
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RON PAUL IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT GET IT
LADY RON PAUL HAS TO CAMPAIGN TO GET VOTES SO HE CAN BE PRESIDENT OF THIS GREAT CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, AFTER HE BECOMES PRESIDENT, THEN HE CAN WORK ON THE BIG PROBLEMS, NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO GIVE FALSE HOPE, ITS TIME FOR THE TRUTH AND RON STANDS FOR THE TRUTH, WHY DON;T WE START WITH A PRESIDENT THAT WE CAN TRUST.,AND GO FROM THERE. HE,S JOB RIGHT NOW IS GIVE THE AMERICAN VOTERS A CHOICE, GO WITH CORP. CANDIDATES OR GO WITH A CANDIDATE, THAT WILL BE A PRESIDENT BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE, WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND. ANY CANDIDATE OTHER THAN DINNIS IS GOING TO FOLLOW BUSHS AGENDA, AND DINNIS HAS DROPED OUT OF RACE, AND I AM SORRY TO SEE THIS HAPPEN, BUT WE STILL NEED A PRESDIDENT WE CAN TRUST, WHAT OTHER CANDIDATE DO YOU HAVE IN MIND , I AM ALL EARS. by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:02:49 AM  (0+)
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Democratic Party?
All the while Kucinich was being made invisible by the media, the Democratic Party (and also Democracy for America - DFA - the group that rose around Howard Dean's candidacy) has been silent. Not a peep. Why?There should be major league rage. Should I see this as further evidence that the Dem Party is really nothing more than another wing of the corporate stranglehold? by Bill Willers (11 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 50 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:48:14 AM (0+)
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Kucinich has previously endorsed Ron Paul as a running mate.
Ron Paul, likewise, has expressed that Kucinich is a good friend of his, and wouldn't mind having *him* as a running mate. http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=38222§ionid=3510203 Things are looking glum indeed for the cause of freedom. There is absolutely no way Ron Paul will get the Republican nomination--the Republican voters are by and large in lockstep with those interested in maintaining the military-industrial complex in Iraq and worldwide--our only hope is if Ron Paul does what he said he's given little consideration to doing, namely running on a third-party ticket (Libertarian, Constitutionalist, or Independent). And then he'll be fighting against the billions of Bloomberg, who is all but assured to be jumping into the race AFTER the Primary. Right now it's looking like it's going to be coming down to Clinton vs. McCain, who is slightly starting to edge out Romney. Without any other choices, there are many of us who just may want to crawl off somewhere and hide (myself being among them)! Because with either candidate, expect a MASSIVE takeaway of our freedoms, either enacted from a runaway federal administration, or through backdoor deals with globalist groups such as the CFR or the UN. North American Union, anyone? by Melissa E (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 27 comments) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 11:46:39 AM (0+)
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2008 ????
There are now a lot of people aligning with the TERM progressive as a generic category that likes certain things, and doesn't like certain things, adopts a set of phrases, signs on to a particular range of actions, activities, and social venues, and supports a selective array of political issues and policies, each equipped with recognizable pragmatisms, which as a group are labled "Progressive". One then, who aligns with this category of persuasions and talking points is called "a progressive". BEING Progressive does not automatically occur along with personal adoption of the categorically "assigned" semantics, habit patterns and political persuasions. This selection of preferred conditioning has effects upon the expression of individuality as well as the choice of policies and living patterns. It is a category of conditioning effects upon lifestyle with trends that through time can shape the course of knowledge gained through experience, which then in turn, progressively builds the capacity for discernment. Through exercising it in practical usefulness, the quality of knowledge gained becomes integrated into the personality, which in turn, develops into progressively more sustainable practices and experiences. by G Achin (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 110 comments [9 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 11:58:52 AM (0+)
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Reply: A HOPE FOR PEACE
G-ACHIN AWALK BACH IN TIME HERES A VIDEO OF JOHN DENVER IN WASHINGTON IN 1971 ON UTUBE( JOHN DENVER THE STRANGEST DREAM 1971) THIS VITEO GIVES ME HOPE MAY BE OTHER PEOPLE TAKE CARE by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 1:24:49 AM (0+)
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LOOK AT JOHN EDWARDS!
John Edwards is a very good candidate and he's viable (money and votes). Please consider him. Some of his positions: against CORPORATE STRANGLEHOLD on the nation; for SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH CARE; for COMPLETELY ENDING THE IRAQ WAR AND OCCUPATION (and has admitted he was wrong to vote for it-- people CAN change their minds you know); against PERMANENT BASES in Iraq; against TELECOMM IMMUNITY-- you name it-- he is GENUINELY PROGRESSIVE. And I saw him challenge Hillary in one of the debates. He asked her point blank: you accept $ from Wall Street, pharmas, oil. Are you going to do their bidding once you're in office? He's not playing games and skirting the issues as Hillary and Obama are. He's not lying or bullying. He's out front with his positions. He cares immensely about the middle class, the poor, and the homeless. So think about it and you might realize, as I have, that John is not only a candidate who can win the nomination and the presidency, he's politically acceptable. He's being ignored, not only by the media, but by progressives and peace activists as well. YET HE IS ACTUALLY PROGRESSIVE! Give it some thought and then support him while there's still a chance for him to "go the distance" as he's prepared to do. by Cynthia Papermaster (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 9 comments) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 1:11:48 PM (0+)
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The point of my article really wae
to get people to take a serious, serious look at the Constitution! We, as a people, seem to be lost. The war created a war fever; which to my mind, has not gotten us to take a real look at the fundamentals of living in a republic but rather to create a "primary/election" fever. I have NO INTENTION of voting for Ron Paul. I was one of the very first people to question his candidacy on OpEd News way back when. He would NEVER get my vote nor support- EVEN IF he ran Dennis Kucinich. As far as Edwards goes - he is NO LEADER. America is going to have to liquidate its military empire. IT IS BANKRUPT - I know the precise figures of the US debt and the economic situation. As a violent, genocidal nation who thinks it owns the planet it has already wrecked enough damage to last many millenia, But as for what is to come, there is no way that a leader without a seious, serous plan could hold the nation together, As new "agey" as it may sound . .there is a very sharp change in "consciousness" globally and yesterday's hierarchal ideas are not going "cut it". The Constitution was the very best framework that hundreds of people could come up with to put in place a system that could survive over time. It does not work. I'm not going to wirte a full essay on that .. but I"m not looking for election ads, I'm really asking that people take a real look at what people DO, not what they say. At this point, the only answer to this horrible HORRIBLE mess is the impeachment processs which is long overdue. To the power of the chairman of the House of Representatives in this modern age, unless Pelosi is DUMPED and soon, this is getting honest project is NOT going to work. The problem is not stricktly "her" - it's the power of that job that is at fault. And only unless DEMOCRATS get out and ask for her removal long and hard, and it si totally appearent that NO INCUMBENT WILL BE RE ELECTED if they don't do something - America will be the victim of any petty tyrant for the rest of it's polical/sovereign life. Very serious issues, not to be resolved by inaction. Not to be resolved by our opportunist Ron Paul who remains uncommitted to impeachment. The Republican party has played its hand very very well! Karl Rove's been done very proud. The day that PNAC dreamt of is here - PERMANENT REPUBLICAN RULE. Serioulsy - ask yourselves the hard hard question - if Ron Paul is elected who do you think will fill the chairs of this federal offices? PROGRESSIVES?? It is to laugh. by ladybroadoak (39 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 394 comments) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 2:20:32 PM (0+)
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Reply: You're so right
I still plan to vote for Kucinich in the primaries. I hope that it sends a message to the Democratic nominee, whoever that turns out to be, that those of us who've supported Dennis Kucinich for this long still expect his message to be listened to. There's nothing else I can do but continue to support the same ideas that got me to support him. No other candidate looks promising to me. Maybe after the primaries are over . . . if some of them change their tune or explain some of the things that bother me. Maybe. But on Feb 5th, I'm checking beside Dennis Kucinich's name on my ballot. by SpiritBlooms (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 55 comments) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 3:21:39 PM (0+)
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Reply: The "dennis people" are so inspiring!!
Man do I thank you for your comment. I don't vote as they took away my passport and can't vote (meager though that might be), but as someone who clearly support the liberty and justice for ALL idea, I keep up my drumming for Dennis as I know he "gets it"!! BRAVO Dennis!! There is no way I can work for ANY Candidate that supports any use of URANIUM - it's a POISON. So that cuts out everyone!! Funny, but just that one issue is a dividing line for me. You are either "smart" or you are not. Those who advocate the use of POISONS are truly insane and "stoopid". Ron Paul!! Give me a break - he'll tell ya it's FREEDOM and LIBERTY to dig it up .. and then not tax you for what you've stolen from native people. See, the Repugs really have won. The damage is complete .. The thing is that at what cost? The US is now TOTALLY bankrupt and George Washington who posts on here is TOTALLY TOTALLY correct im humble opinion. I will (and do ) support sane candidates .. Laurie Dobson, I supported Jason Call in NM .. and can invest energy in that and HOPE that we can get enough seats (remember I"m not a dem, just a STRATEGIST) to undo Rockefeller's wicked and awesome power -- H'es totally undone Pelosi! Totally. Made her toast from day one with the dem line up she "inherited" .. Either WExler or Dennis must take over leadership . not necessarily being the ROLE person - but being the INSPIRATION. With everything that I see and what I know (much goes on behind the scenes! and I stay very current) it seems to me that there is much to despair about . the CIA is NOT checked!! Will it be? probably not as Mukasey is refusing the Special Prosecutor as of yesterday. WATERBOARDING IS STILL ON THE TABLE!! The WH and the RNC are all war criminals . they needed to be leashed and they are not. But us people ARE working together, we ARE learning. We can buid our own BANKRUPTING AMERICA movement and do a whole lot of good. Peak oil, peak dollar, it's all here - we Dennis types are the most likely to provide leadership imho. by ladybroadoak (39 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 394 comments) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 4:22:26 PM (0+)
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Hello!
Dr. Paul is the ONLY candidate left in this dogfight who's telling the voters the truth. Campaining is something one must do if one wishes to become president. And as far as not crossing party lines to vote is concerned, this country is in deep, serious skat, and it's time we quit acting like we're on separate teams, act like real patriots and vote for the person who we think will do the best job at restoring America to the nation we all grew up loving and pledging our alliegence to. I've heard senators say that impeachment would be devisive, the reality is that this idiotic, two party circus we keep using is the most devisive, stupid concept we subscribe to. by Rick Mason (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 4:44:15 PM (0+)
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Reply: I had no intention of this becoming a Ron Paul forum
I have specificallyl stated reaons I will not and cannot support Ron Paul. There is NO twisting my arm on this. I WILL NOT SUPPORT A BIGOT or people who run for office and don't distance themselves from them. First it was dAvid Duke!!now it's Bob JOnes university.. he's nt working with the LAKOTA, for sock's sake! I realize that plenty of people are grasping for straws, but filling DC with Repubs at the top is NOT my idea of a good time, it's not HEALTHY. PEAK OIL and PEAK DOLLAR are here. Dennis has the answers to all of it - Ron Paul does NOT. His economic model TRULY SUCKS. And unlike those his supporters attack I do know what I am talking about and I stay current. Gee wake up! There must be REGULATION - it can't be dealt with states' rights! For good ness sakes, arent' things bad enough already!! oh, no, let's see iet get a whole lot worse!! Build the mythology around Ron Paul all you like, he's not MY myth. I did not put in the past 59 years of working and studying to support that in the end. I truly think that Dennis had the answers (using GREAT resources, fantastic "experts) that would have benefitted EVERYONE, even the rich if they could but see . I realize the pressure to rebuild the republican party throwing out the neocons who so drastically messed up will be there, but I ain't signing on the line .. by ladybroadoak (39 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 394 comments) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 4:53:12 PM (0+)
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Reply: Bigot?
I have no idea why you think Ron Paul is a bigot. In fact, after reading your article, I still have no idea why you aren't supporting him. I wish you had made your points more explicit...your article was little more than a jumble of name-calling. You lumped Ron Paul in with groups you don't like and damned him on account of his supporters, whom you seem to categorically disdain. None of these lines of argument reveals that you have any real knowledge about Ron Paul or anything intelligent to say in refuting his platform. by Ingrid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 142 comments [20 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 8:50:49 AM (0+)
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Reply: REACTIVE, maybe, just a touch??
not thoughtful. I AM part native - I identify THAT Way, part of the US heritage. I guess I looked pretty damned hard at the bigotry issue when the BANDWAGON started up (paid for by billionaries and the RNC) and came to some profound conclusions about it. His lack of convincing us of his accountability over the PROFOUNDLY racist comments written in HIS NAME was just criminal, a true hate crime. Just saying "I didn't know" is not very convincing. Blame Lew Rockwell -- now that's not convincing. Those things were put out to keep Texas cash rolling around in his pocket$. Oh, please! Give me a break! No racist is ever going to get ME working for them . not in this lifetime (snark, even if cliched!!) you know, I find it REAL interesting that people who thought I "might" be recruitable to this little BANDWAGON (carefullly engineered by Karl Rove - trust me on this) would write me racist emails OFF THEPUBLIC COMMENTS boxes and on threads I post on elsewhere, never suspecting that I am with the NDNs! I do not, will not worship, at the feet of the covert saint of closet bigots. Anyone thinking I didn't lay out my "arguments" well - I ain't arguing at all. I have no reason to lay out points .. I am just trying to find those who care about the PRINCIPLES ENSHRINED IN THE US CONSTITUTION have a real good think right now . that is ALL. by ladybroadoak (39 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 394 comments) on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:53:56 AM (0+)
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Reply: We're speaking different languages
I simply can't understand how you talk. You allude to things without clarifying what your point is. You are a native.....a native what? I am a native, too. A native of NJ. How is this relevent? Also, I have no idea what you're talking about when you mention being the target of some racist slurs. Who are these people who bothered you, and what do they have to do with anything political? by Ingrid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 142 comments [20 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:14:37 AM (0+)
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Reply: Yes, we are. we are speaking different languages
I am not disputing Dennis perogative to support Ron Paul - that's Dennis. I am talking about ME and my problems spiritually with all that is going on. I don't think I have been the least bit unclear about THAT. Are all men created equal or are they NOT. If they are, then what does the US do next? It clearly has WAR CRIMINALS at the helm. They have put warmongering people at the top of every single federal management office. I noticed the compelte dismantling of the DoJ under Bill Clinton and Janet Reno and now the rot has spread everywhere. (the dept of energy and the FCC in particular, not to mention the FDA ) Historically, the US Presidency gets its power from its appointments and its ability to control who gets the graft. That's WELL document. Presidents are well known to have most of their time taken up listening to people who WANT something. We are fighting a very intense corporatocracy well dug into the WH now. So we have two management problems - how does the next president ensure that new appoitments are correct and how does the president ensure that those who think that he OWES them something, something that they PAID for . get what they think is their due. Ron Paul takes money from scientologist (many are the heads of his states fundraising efforts), he takes money from bigots, bikers, and all sorts of malcontents who want to abolish the IRS because they think they are ENTITLED to more!! Please, do see my point. With everything that is at stake - how can you trust someone who puts out a racist newsletter for YEARS say "oh, Ididn't know" and get away with it. And if this makes it any clearer .. I get emails from people bitching about Mayans who are starving trying to find money to feed their families who aren't going to look for any SOLUTIONS - they just want that bloody, expensive fence which is taking over SOVEREIGN native land in TEXAS. Not some other state, right there in Ron Paul's state. Do you hear one peep from him about that . .. or about the jails women and children are living in on the border. No, you do NOT. My rant on Ron Paul is over for the day. Again, I ask people to take a serious look at these principles in the Constitution before you decide to "jump" on any bandwagon. by ladybroadoak (39 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 394 comments) on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 12:00:27 PM (0+)
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Reply: Not twisting your arm
If Ron Paul doesn't meet your criteria for solid character, that's your business, as you say. by Ingrid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 142 comments [20 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 8:10:27 PM (0+)
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Thanks ladybroadoak...
I sense you are a "kindred spirit." I believe (and I hope I am wrong) that the "Paulies" are arriving late to the party and will experience the hard way that the rich fatties could give less-than-a-sh*t about what they think. Worst case scenario: the Pubs will acutally run Paul which will convince the Paulies that "the system" is actually "working." That will delay the realization that he rich fatties run their lives and that "government" is an illusion. keep up the good work! by waldopaper (15 articles, 3 quicklinks, 34 diaries, 609 comments [84 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 7:55:03 PM (0+)
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GET OVER IT
THIS ELECTION IS A FIXED GAME, AND THE MASS MEDIA DECEPTION AND MISINFORMATION LETS THE AMERICAN VOTER(" THINK") THEY CAN PLAY. ALL THE TOP TIER CANDIDATES FROM BOTH PARTY'S ARE EITHER CFR MENBERS OR ARE BOUGH AND PAYED FOR BY THE TC GLOBAL ELITE. THERE ARE ALL GLOBALIST PLAYER'S AND IF ELECTED WILL FOLLOW THE GLOBAL AGENDA OF BUSH. THERE ONLY TWO CANDIDATE WORTH VOTING FOR DINNIS AND RON PAUL, AND DINNIS DROPED OUT SO VOTE FOR DINNIS AND WAST YOUR VOTEOR VOTE FOR RON PAUL AND MAYBE WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE. RON PAUL IS NOT A REP. HE IS A PATRIOT AMERICAN JUST LIKE YOU AND ME, JUST GET OVER IT. AND STOP CRYING IN YOUR BEER. by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 1:45:51 AM (0+)
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Get over what: My ethics? Hardly likely.
Nice attitude. Very convicing. The implication is that I am moping around is what is known as an ad hominem attack. Too bad; I ain't biting your poison apple. I ain't moping; I am thinking. Wow! that smacks of morality and ethics, doesn't it? IF, and I mean IF, I were to be for, that is actively working for, a candidate it would be Cynthia McKinney or Mike Gravel (the ONLY major difference between him and me is that is overhaul of the tax system sucks; obviously he needs better economic advisers - it's really a trashy plan and very harmful.) I look seven (7) generations down the road - not to Today - and this "myth" of electability and a constant barrage of Ron Paul propaganda to make my decisions. But those who want to see the IRS abolished in the maaaaaaaaaaaybe 4 years he would get in office don't provide persuasive arguments to me. While the rest of us TRY to get America back "on track" and the issues, very real clusterfuck issues, ON THE TABLE, Ron Paulites are gearing up with the "patriotic" dump the taxes campaign!! Give me a break! People are being killed by the hundreds around the globe, people are being tortured in America's name, American veterans are homeless and without medical care, people have just lost 20% of their purchasing power in the past month (yes, really), civil liberties are being taken away by CONGRESS, BuZh has just sent troops to Pakistan and is dealing MORE nukes to Turkey although a democratic revolution is going on there, 1.6 million Americans are about to lose their homes .. and you want me to listen to those who want their taxes cut? Surely you jest. I just can't ever get over the naivity of those who support Ron Paul and how very short sighted they are. I am getting swayed about giving MacKinney more ink though .. I don't think that like the Green Party up here, she has Clintons hanging onto her pockets. Let's see/hear what Dennis says on Monday, shall we? No matter WHAT he says, I must hear him first. Meanwhile, fighting TORTURE and WAR CRIMES and GENOCIDE are my very first priority. Have a look - you guys who just LOVE to google in the Ron Paul .. put in RON PAUL WAR CRIMES and see what you get!! Instead of just glib comments, show me PRECISELY how STATISM is going to handle cases of restitution for those who suffer TORTURE. Nope, thought not. It's NOT on the libertarian priorites list! Nope. But trying googling RON PAUL ABOLISH THE IRS and see what you get. Another google for those who want to be in the know Those guys just cannot WAIT until they can take over state legislatures. Thankfully "anonymous" is striving to put them all on WARNING. They are in the top echelons of the Ron Paul campaign, holding the pursestrings of the donations. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. We are living in an age where maybe the greatest crime of all of them is subjecting troops to a soul-destroying kind of war. Think the DoD, the DoJ, the CIA, and the Fed Reserve are gonna roll over to Ron and the Paul Bearers demands? Try this google and READ IT. If you think that I want a war launched against ME for being a Kucinich/human rights campaigner and for NO FENCES advocate - guess again ALAN STANG RED DOT BLOWBACK I wish EVERYONE would read this "heart-warming" piece of Ron Paul propaganda which OBVIOUSLY was not composed for MASS CONSUMPTION. Nope, it was not. Just a call for preplanning by hoodlums. A return to the RULE OF LAW is the answer to alot of the problems that America faces - only that way will things be sane when the food shortages hit, when the gas is unaffordable and the rationing begins, when there are no medications available .. The clusterfuck IS here - and Ron Paul has no credible answers to it. by ladybroadoak (39 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 394 comments) on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 4:59:38 AM (0+)
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Reply: THE RULE OF LAW
RON PAUL WANTS TO RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION, AND THE CONSTITUTION IS THE LAW OF THE LAND , WHAT RULE OF LAW DO YOU HAVE IN MIND. by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 5:51:43 AM (0+)
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Reply: Yeah, right
that's why is the paragon example, eh? High crimes and misdemeanors have been committed by the Bush Administration, members of HIS political party. Plenty of Republicans HAVE called for impeachment. Yet Ron Paul, the saintly Ron Paul, does not. With the amount of energy his calling for impeachment that could be unleashed by calling on them to organize for impeachment (A LEGAL REMEDY) do you honestly not think it is about high time? Yet, he does not. The taboo words like WAR CRIMES and TORTURE never cross his lips. IMPEACHMENT is never mentioned in his TV debates or he would get busted off the tube as the MSM (alllied with the defense contractors every one) will not allow that word on the air .. ask the esteemed coward Mr. Olbermann. And Ron Paul supports NO ONE who utters that idea either or we just might find out what POWER we have. Nope, not buying it. IMPEACH INDICT IMPRISON Respect Geneva or or change it, but for NOW it is the Supreme Law of the Land, and he refuses to discuss it with his camp followers .. by ladybroadoak (39 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 394 comments) on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 8:26:31 AM (0+)
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Ron Paul
Ron Paul is a theocrat and a free market fundamentalist. I don't see Paul complaining about fraudulent elections. I don't see Paul complaining about candidates being excluded from debates. I don't see Paul supporting impeachment. I don't see Paul exposing the myth of Al Qaeda attacking America on 911 or the myth that our military is fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq. I don't see Paul complaining about Corporate Personhood. Anyone who wants to eliminate Corporate "rights" would be labeled a commie by Ron Paul or any other right winger. by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 888 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:49:13 PM (0+)
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