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September 27, 2007 at 16:36:28

A 19 Year-Old Kucinich Volunteer Responds to Democratic Candidates in "FANTASYLAND"

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The top Democratic candidates, Obama and Clinton, the two who were the primary focus of the debate yet again (and I make that conclusion by the order that the questions were asked of candidates), proved themselves to be subscribers to faulty logic that involves blaming Republicans and not taking responsibility within the party for failures in the past seven years. Obama used jargon such as “bad options and worse options”, “no promises”, “country at crossroads” and “need someone to bring people together”, “take on special interests”, “telling truth even when it’s tough”, “everything should be on the table”, etc. Clinton used jargon such as “I agree with Barack”, “don’t have votes”, “don’t want to talk about what might or what might not happen” (hypotheticals), “not gonna answer”, “bipartisan commitment”, “fiscal responsibility”, etc. The “top two” candidates, which have been decided to be the “top two” by media coverage and media polls taken, basically spent two hours telling the American people that they will not promise anything, they will not say that change can be made, they will not talk about possibilities even when that may give us insight into the mind of a future leader of America, and they will most certainly avoid answering questions specifically and instead use heavy-handed rhetoric. They will go to Republicans even when president to find out if their plan is acceptable to them or not. In relation to the "top two", the other candidates, appeared to distance themselves from the “top two” and attempt to overhaul their image in the eyes of the American people so they could be more like Kucinich or Gravel. These candidates (Biden, Dodd, Edwards, Richardson) should be thankful that the majority of American people are still unclear on who Gravel or Kucinich is and do not think about them as possiblities for president because they've been blacked out by the media.

Through this article, I intend to look at three key elements of this debate that should be focused on. One, I will look at the answers on Iraq. Two, I will look at the health care discussion. And three, I will examine the overall element of corporate power/special interests that Democratic candidates claim to stand against.

To help you understand where this article is coming from, understand that this Democratic debate had a high level of tunnel vision preventing it from really discussing the issues, which is what most debates suffer from. It neglected the idea that the two parties are the same and subjecting Americans to a two-party dictatorship. It neglected to look at the fact that Democrats are moving away from progressive and liberal ideas that are supposed to be the crux of the Democratic party. In essence, it neglected to ask if the party is anything more than one whose mascot is a donkey. For with recent failures in Congress and all other candidates (except Kucinich, Gravel, and surprisingly, Richardson) unwilling to go after Senate and Congressional Democrats, what can we really expect from these future leaders of America whom we expect to pummel any Republican opponent because polls show a Democrat will skate in whether a Democratic candidate has good policies or not?

Think about that as I move through the three key elements.

The Iraq Question

Tim Russert’s question went something like this: Will you pledge to have all troops out of Iraq by 2013 at the end of your first term as president? Any American who heard that, myself included, must have been put off by the fact that Russert wasn’t framing the debate around getting troops out in the first months in office. Russert had reframed the question so that Obama and Clinton would not refuse to talk because they cannot give “hypotheticals” or make “promises”. So, to play it safe, he moved the date 5 years ahead so that Obama and Clinton could indeed talk about their policies that they have written out and talked of on the campaign trail. This set the stage for Obama, Clinton, and Edwards to become the “war candidates” and not the anti-war ones they claim to be.

Only Kucinich, Gravel, Richardson, and to some extent, Dodd, really said they would be in no way continuing deployment in Iraq until 2013. By some extent, I mean that Dodd kind-of said the troops would be brought home in his first year or second year in office but definitely by 2013. Biden is an exception to the whole 2013 projection because he has a plan for de-facto partitioning of Iraq and federalizing the nation that, according to him, would curb civil warfare and genocide. His plan that I believe few of the top candidates understand but claim to support would mean we stay even further past 2013 if no political reconciliation occurs. This is what Obama is talking about when he calls for a continued military presence. This is why, possibly, Edwards “cannot make that commitment” to end the war. Obama, Edwards, Biden, and even Hillary who spoke out in favor of the Biden Amendment, support Biden whose plan would leave troops in to do what our troops have done in Bosnia for 10 years---“maintain peace.”

It was not until Russert had Gravel speak up that sanity was inserted into the discussion on Iraq, which had been regrettably missing. All the other candidates who had spoken prior to Gravel had failed including Kucinich. This is what Gravel brilliantly stated on Russert’s qustion involving what to do to stop the war (and he was asked this because he takes credit for stopping the draft):

“By voting every day on cloture 20 days at noon, every single day you vote to override, overcome. Forty days [throughout those] American people weigh in putting pressure. You tell me the votes aren’t there? You go get them by the scruff of the neck.”

 

Russert amplified his remark realizing how important it was to talk about what the candidates thought Congress could do to stop the war. He went and asked Dodd after Gravel said, “If it stops the killing, my God, yes, do it.” Dodd’s response to Gravel’s call to candidates to take action resulted in him saying that this 200 billion dollar request gives Democrats the chance to do what Gravel is asking them to do. What Gravel wants in Dodd’s opinion is unrealistic, but stopping the funding with clarity and leadership is ultimately what needs to be done because this war needs to be halted.

It was also at this point in the debate that Gravel boldly went after Hillary for voting for the Iran bill and after Obama for not being there while congratulating Biden and Dodd for voting against the bill which, as he characterized it, is a “fig leaf to let George Bush go to war with Iran.”

Richardson went after Hillary for wanting to continue any kind of troop operations because that would “prevent movement forward.”

So, it appears that Dodd and Richardson are shifting their position to be more like Dennis Kucinich’s and essentially learning from him.

Kucinich again, as he has redundantly stated in all debates or forums since this race started because it is constantly falling on deaf ears or being ignored by the media, said in his statement on Iraq that he has voted 100% of the time against war and all bills to fund the war. He mentioned his plan H.R. 1234, which he has introduced in Congress. And he spoke of how when the Democrats took power in 2006, they were to end the Iraq War and bring the troops home. Kucinich said it is astonishing to hear Democratic candidates stand up here and say this could continue to 2013 and promised that 3 months after taking office he would end the occupation, close bases, bring troops home, set in motion a program of reconciliation (no partition), implement an honest reconstruction program, have a program of reparations, and give Iraq full control over their oil, which currently all the other candidates up on the stage are ignoring. He quoted Lincoln who said, “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” And indeed, he added, if we continue and divide Iraq, more war will occur. He also flubbed and said he would do this by April 2007 but made a nice recovery saying “he’s ready to be president today.”

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Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral system, its military-industrial complex, its foreign policy of American exceptionalism, its media which has become the Fourth Branch of government,etc.)
His ambitions have him currently organizing and raising money for a Chicago Conference for Media Reform in April or May of 2009. It will be organized by college students to promote youth involvement in media reform and justice. Those interested in attending or helping with the organization of the program should contact him.

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Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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Kevin GosztolaKevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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"Telling the Truth Even When It's Tough"

This is a phrase that has stuck with me ever since Obama said it in the debate.

I'm going to tell you the truth even though it's tough.

The only two candidates who are really progressive or liberal are Kucinich and Gravel. The rest are failures or disappointments like all the Senate and Congressional Democrats that keep voting for war funding, continuations of the Iraq War, bills to start a war with Iran, and resolutions to condemn puns used in political ads. 

If you want change, youwill have to abandon your top-tiered candidate, Americans. You will have to accept that you wasted money contributing to  so-and-so's campaign and quit before you go into even more debt than you are already in. That's the truth. And I know... it's tough to handle.

by Kevin Gosztola (230 articles, 127 quicklinks, 72 diaries, 895 comments) on Thursday, September 27, 2007 at 6:04:47 PM
 


Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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Kevin GosztolaKevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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Richardson's Plan to Ignore Kucinich

Kucinich IS a THREAT to Richardson. He threatens his stance because his stance is that he is THE ONLY CANDIDATE calling to bring the troops home. Look at how stupid he thinks we are:

Last night, in the MSNBC debate, Tim Russert asked this simple question: if you were President, would you pledge to have all the troops out of Iraq by 2013?

Hillary Clinton said no. Barack Obama said no. And John Edwards said no. Then, all three refused to pledge to remove all of our troops and end the war. All three made it clear they would be willing to leave troops in Iraq for at least another 5 years. That's another 5 years of American soldiers dying.

I am the only major candidate in this race who is committed to getting every soldier out of Iraq STARTING IMMEDIATELY, and getting them all out safely and quickly within a year. No ifs, ands, or buts.

You can't have it both ways. If you leave troops in place, you aren't ending the war -- you're leaving American men and women in harm's way.

84% of Democrats want to end the war now, and bring every soldier home. Congress is out of touch with America -- and so are the other candidates.

They change the mission and leave troops in Iraq. I end the war and get all the troops out. It is a simple question: do you want a candidate that will end the war?

That's the letter he is sending to supporters and volunteers. This is what he is using to get more people to give him money. He does not think you will realize Kucinich or even Gravel want what he wants.

Why vote for a candidate who can get you what you want in 1 year when you can have it in 3 months?

 

 

by Kevin Gosztola (230 articles, 127 quicklinks, 72 diaries, 895 comments) on Thursday, September 27, 2007 at 6:14:08 PM
 


Semi-retired designer maker of furniture and decorative arts. Previous Walt Disney Imagineering, Glandale, CA.. Organic grower. Progressive politics activist.
Kirk BondsSemi-retired designer maker of furniture and decorative arts. Previous Walt Disney Imagineering, Glandale, CA.. Organic grower. Progressive politics activist.

Kucinich

At this point in time, Kucinich is not even a contender in the Democratic Primary in New Mexico. You should look to how states are setting up their primaries. It is a maze and many are working very hard to eliminate Kucinich from the equation including, most importantly the DNC and the DLC. They are also trying to eliminate Richardson and are not sure how to do it since he has a lot of funding, experience and Hispanic and liberal voters. They are after Obama as well; they do not know what to do with him.

You please realize and I think you do that we are trying to remake the Democratic Party, because the old guard needs to go. They are a worthless, rich, corrupt gang who cares nothing for the American people. Kick their asses out.
Get rid of these damn Republicans while we are at it.

by Kirk Bonds (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Thursday, September 27, 2007 at 11:50:16 PM
 


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Geno MatthiasHuman Being

Kucinich is the only Choice

Clearly Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate who is a genuine Progressive.

Health Care, A Foreign Policy based on Diplomacy and Peace, Education...the people of this country deserve and would benefit greatly from a Kucinich Presidency, the corporations and 'big oil' may not want it...and they're going to try to buy your votes with slick reporting and advertising, because they don't get to vote.....don't let them do it!

If you want it, stand firm and vote for him, with clear eyes and a clear conscience. No more War for Oil.  Voting for any of the rest will bring more death, dishonor, and destruction.

Enough is Enough.

dennis4president.com 

by Geno Matthias (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 17 comments) on Friday, September 28, 2007 at 12:17:43 AM
 


Political activist living on Vashon Island, Washington.  Outreach Liaison Officer for Green Party of Washington State (GPoWS); Member of Green Party's Peace Action Committee (GPAX); Participant in Seattle Occupation Project a campaign of Voices for Creative Nonviolence 
maryrosePolitical activist living on Vashon Island, Washington.  Outreach Liaison Officer for Green Party of Washington State (GPoWS); Member of Green Party's Peace Action Committee (GPAX); Participant in Seattle Occupation Project a campaign of Voices for Creative Nonviolence 

And if Kucinich doesn't get nomination?

I would like to ask a question, "What if Kucinich doesn't get the nomination?"  I'm on the coordinating council of the Green Party of Washington State.  Many of my fellow Greens worked on Kucinich's campaign in 2004, only to have him "fold" to the DLC after he lost the nomination and throw his support behind Kerry.  Is he going to do the same when Hillary wins the nomination?  Could he actually be a "token" progressive to hold your attention and keep you within the fold of the Democratic Party?  If you're following what the Democrats have done since winning in 2006, the facts show we have in actuality a corrupt, one-party, corporate-owned political system with the Democrats and Republicans.  If Kucinich goes independent after losing the nomination, then I would consider throwing my support behind him but not until then.

by maryrose (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Friday, September 28, 2007 at 10:04:10 AM
 


I do not feel it necessary for me to give you a bio..this is not High School
Susan NelsenI do not feel it necessary for me to give you a bio..this is not High School

Kucinich is my choice

But the media and the DLC will make sure he never gets the nomination...and Congress has made it all but impossible for a "third party " run.....you are right there is very little difference between the corporate owned Democratics or the corporate owned Republicans..and these very corporations will make sure that no one like Dennis Kucinich will ever become President.....corporations own this country and our government....we don't have a chance

by Susan Nelsen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 276 comments) on Friday, September 28, 2007 at 2:48:54 PM
 


I'm a 29 year old male. 
TyI'm a 29 year old male. 

Kucinich

If Kucinich doesn't win the nomination then you can always vote for an independent or third party candidate in the general election. There's no harm for people in third parties to support Kucinich in the primary election.

 

by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 861 comments) on Friday, September 28, 2007 at 4:41:10 PM
 

 

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