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May 22, 2008 at 10:17:21

Headlined on 5/22/08:
Even More Confused About Women and Hillary

by Jonathan Leigh Solomon     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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How can it be said that Senator Clinton is expanding the boundaries of what is possible for all women when she keeps defining her continued legitimacy by claiming working class, particularly older, white women voters will never expand theirs – i.e. will not, no never, vote for Barack Obama?

That’s only the first of several questions I would pose to women supporting Clinton. To help me diagram my other confusions and the counterpoints to them, I’ll turn to Susan Cheever. It was her radio essay last week on NPR titled, Why I Love Hillary, that brought me to the conclusion that after seventeen months of Clinton’s run for the White House, the disconnect between men and the women who support Clinton has not gotten smaller – it’s gotten larger. Not what I would have hoped for.


Cheever started her essay by posing the following question:

“Why is it that the more Hillary loses, the better I like her?”

I don’t know. I don’t like Hillary better the more she loses. More importantly, I trust her less. This has nothing to do with her being a woman or me being a man. I felt the same way about John Edwards, Bill Richardson and Joe Biden when they kept running even though they had no shot at winning. They all, kept saying they knew they could win, but I didn’t believe they believed it. Therefore, I began to believe less that they actually cared for the voters and more that it was just their id run wild.

The most optimistic explanation is that Clinton is staying in the race because she feels she has something to say on the issues that only she can say. But, I think by now she has said it all. Proceeding further, and doing it by attempting to undercut Obama, certainly doesn’t make me like her more.

But Cheever doesn’t expect me to understand: “When I tell a handsome…” – that part is not me – “…man at a party that I support Hillary...” he says, “‘that figures, you're an older woman.’” Which leads me to another question: Since Cheever has accepted a huge limitation on the possible by embracing Clinton’s conviction that some women will only vote for her, how could she possibly think I could get beyond, “that figures.” (I admit, that’s a rhetorical question.)

But Cheever has a second reason men can’t get beyond “that figures” and here she has a good point:  Men can’t understand the affinity some women have for Clinton because we can not identify with the sexism, propelled by objectification, that women confront. As Cheever explains, Clinton “was never the pretty, simpering, long-legged blond we were all supposed to be; she had to find another way to be a woman. Me too.” It’s true. I can appreciate that, but on a gut level, I’m not even remotely qualified to speak on it.

The “me too” sentiment also helps Cheever explain why she likes Hillary more, the more she loses. Clinton “is a loser, and I'm a loser." I must emphasize here, just as Cheever does, that this “loser” label is not in regards to being accomplished or a success in your work. No, the point is, “women don't get respect for being hard workers, they get respect for having good legs.” And again, for a guy to say he can truly appreciate how this feels would be entirely foolish.

Nonetheless, the “me too” and the loser/loser idea leads me to another question that I do feel entitled to ask:  If Hillary had the same smarts, resume and health care plan, but looked and talked like Gwyneth Paltrow, would Cheever be supporting Obama?  To put it another way, shouldn’t a leader have to do more than be just like you, to earn your love?

Because what – besides being like Cheever – has Hillary done?

Well, she voted for the war. To explain her vote she claimed criminal naivety, but I’ve never bought that. She voted for the war in an effort to “look tough.” I hear Cheever saying, “if it wasn’t for sexist stereotypes, Clinton wouldn’t have had to ‘look tough.’”  I don’t agree.  She could have voted “no” and then taken to the floor of the Senate and given an inspiring speech, delving into the all the nuances, manifestations and ramifications of sexism, just as Obama did with racism. It could have ended with the words, “I say this because I want Susan Cheever to be even more proud of me than if the only blow I struck for feminism was never giving up on super delegates.”

Instead, she did exactly what Bill Clinton did in ‘92. To prove Democrats were “tough,” he flew to Arkansas in the middle of his presidential campaign to sign the death warrant upholding the execution of Ricky Ray Rector. Rector was the guy so without mental faculties that he left the pecan pie from his “last meal” on the side of the tray, telling the guards he was saving it "for later." Hillary’s vote, sending more than 4,000 Americans to their deaths,  and countless Iraqis, was her version of sending Rector to the gallows. 

And so we return to my question: shouldn’t a leader have to do more than be like you to earn your love? I say, yes.

In fact, shouldn’t a leader have to behave as if – to paraphrase Henry Hassett Browne and John Donne  – all  men and women are born brothers and sisters and anything that diminishes either of them, hurts me?  Yes.  And, on that score, Clinton has failed.  Confusions aside – that’s the reason I don’t love her.

 

Jonathan Leigh Solomon is a (retired) stand-up comedian who appeared regularly on "Late Night with David Letterman" and the "Late Show with David Letterman," co-hosted the MTV morning show, "Awake On the Wild Side," was the host of the late, great, sorely missed NBC children's program, "Kid's TV," and the star and co-creator of the not so greatly missed Fox sit-com "Bachelor Life." Among the television shows Jonathan has written for are Michael Moore's "TV Nation" and "Mad About You." In 2000, as a member of Vice-President Gore's press pool, he covered the presidential race for Politics.Com, filing his column "Solomon Wises to the Occasion" and appearing regularly as a featured guest on political talk-show programs offering fact-filled punditry. Jonathan is now a top political consultant. He wrote, "I don't recall," for Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez. Prior to Jonathan coming on board Gonzalez was going to go with, "Wow, how did you guy find out about that?"

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If I had to wear one of those t-shirts with a saying on it, I'd have "The road to hell is paved with Republicans."
Fred BogartIf I had to wear one of those t-shirts with a saying on it, I'd have "The road to hell is paved with Republicans."

I agree. However.

I like this column. I agree that men would be foolish to say we can fully comprehend the sexism that women confront, but there are many types of oppression and depending upon the man, we can understand to different degrees.

by Fred Bogart (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Thursday, May 22, 2008 at 10:27:47 AM
 


An activist.
Bill BressenAn activist.

That's why I don't think she should be vice-president

If Barack takes Clinton as vice-president would mean he condones what she has done.  "Change" and all that? The point is she voted for the war. If we are going to get rid of Cheney, why would we want to have another veep who went for the war? 

by Bill Bressen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Thursday, May 22, 2008 at 11:49:46 AM
 


Voluntaryily retired local California county elected official.
Shirley BianchiVoluntaryily retired local California county elected official.

Clinton and Feminism

This was a very good essay.  As an older woman, I have never supported Hillary.  And, by the way, I have been a very successful woman in a man's world.  What I learned is that there is a time and a place to be tough, and voting to authorize an obvious pathological liar to go to war if he thinks he ought is neither.  It was an opportunistic vote, and as a woman it appalled me.  Do I want a woman President.  You bet.  But it depends on the woman.  I want one who is compassionate as well as experienced.  Hillary is neither, in my opinion.  John Edwards was my candidate of choice, although I would have voted for anyone of the candidates if he or she had won.   

by Shirley Bianchi (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 81 comments) on Thursday, May 22, 2008 at 1:27:38 PM
 


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pftAmerican Expat in Asia

Hillary

I do not remeber Hillary saying that white women would never vote for Obama.  Must have missed that.

I have heard her say that Obama is unlikely to attract white votes in non urban areas of key swing states necessary to win a general election.  I tend to agree with this.  Why?

What has concerned these voters about Obama is mainly Pastor Wright.  Now I happen to agree with most of what Wright said, but not in the way he said it. It was with anger, and seemed mean to inflame his target audience.  Maybe thats what Pastors do to get a crowd, entertain or inflame.  Not religous so I do not know.  I don't know McCains pastor, but if it were Hagee, I would have similar concerns.

Here is the reality about racism, and as someone who went through the forced bussing in South Boston in the 70's  and who had to avoid certain areas in Boston when the sun went down, or even when it was up, I know.

Racism works 2 ways.  There is black racism.  There is white racism.  Now most people of today have not been subjected to much black racism, especially those in suburban or rural predominately white states.  You do not hear much about it since it does not get a lot of play in MSM, unlike White racism, as I noted in the MSM and local coverage in the 70's in South Boston when the coverage of black violence against Whites went unreported or was played down, while the White violence on black was played up.  Thats how it seemed at the time, but maybe I was too close to it to be unbiased.

Blacks pretty much grow up with racism, and even when there is no racism that they directly experience, the past is frequently dwelled on.   It is all pervasive.  Broken families as a result of are War on Drugs that puts blacks in prison for crack, yet whites walk free over cocaine.  Poverty, etc.  I do not know what has gone on in recent years, because for the last 7 or more years before Obama, blacks and their issues were "disappeared" from MSM.  Now with Obama, its like we have returned to 1968, with all this talk about racism, feminism, etc.

If I were a black man, and not a white man, I would be an angry black man, and perhaps a racist.   Although, I must say, as a white man I am not very happy with my  government, no matter what color, but most of them are white.  But thats another issue.

So this is is the issue many whites see with Obama.  I am happy to vote for a black man if he was against globalization and the elite power structure.  Obama is not him.  I would not want to vote for an angry black man that had racial hatred in him due to the treatment of blacks by whites.  One of my mentors was a black man,  I could use the N word with him, and he lived in area that was safe to walk to in the day, but not at night.  So I would walk to his home from the train station, but he had to walk or drive me to the station when the sun went down.  Sometimes he picked me up in Southie, but only during the day, since there were areas he could not travel to in those days at certain times .   He even introduced me to a couple of rehabilating Black Panthers.  BTW, they were both angry men.

Unfortunately, he died young, I would have been interested in his views on Obama.  He was not an angry man, but he would not tolerate any racism directed at him, and he did not hate whites, only racists.  There is a difference. I would like to think Obama takes after him.

But the concern with Obama, given his Pastor, is if he is a crypto-racist himself. He came out of nowhere, we dont know much about him, other than he is supported by elements within the TLC who want to globalize us, and he gives a good speech, and likes to use the word change.   He wrote a book called "Dreams From My Father" at the age of 33, that exposed some elements of racial anger or resentment, and his admiration for his father, a polygamist who walked out on him and his typical white woman mother, are concerns.  

I would feel better if I heard Obama discuss of what Pastor Wright said in more detail, instead of mainly just distancing himself from it.  There was truth in what Wright said, that Whites need to hear, and Obama could have done this, while also, he could have targetted the issue of reverse racism, and been someone of a mediator.  That concerns me.  Divisions between the races can only he healed with truth, equally applied to both sides.

If Obama is not in the race, Hillary would get the same percentage of black votes that Obama is getting.  It is clear that black voters are voting for black Obama (ignoring his white side).  Hillary got the white womens vote, before and after Edwards.  Republicans always seem to get the Evangelical or Southern Baptist vote with some exceptions, ala Jimmy Carter.    Despite being almost 25% of the population, the only Catholic ever elected was JFK, as a Democrat, and he got killed in Texas.  Of course, we have never had a woman President despite them being over 50% of the population, and blacks are at 12% of the population now. 

So yeah, Obama has a problem with white voters in certain swing states. He also has an issue with Hispanics, since blacks and Hispanics have their own issues with each other, and McCain is seen as someone Hispanics can trust over immigration issues.  Frankly, I do not like Obamas chances.  Forget what the popular vote polls say, we do not elect Presidents via popular vote, we have an electoral college system.  The swing states decide who is President, not the populous Democrat strong holds with large black populations that always vote Democrat and could swing the popular vote, but not  the electoral college vote.

The other main issue is of course that Democrats seem to want to nominate Obama w/o consideration of Florida and Michigan voters.  This favours Obama, and seems very suspicous for a party who wants to win to allow this.  It is also not likely to encourage a strong turnout in those states in a general election.     

Then there is Nader running.  It seems like the election is being geared to give us McCain, unless they bring him down with some dirt, and there is a lot of dirt under the carpet.  Only the elite know for sure, since they control the MSM who influence the voters and can swing an election by harping on the dirt or not. They also control the vote counters in the swing states. 

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 185 comments) on Friday, May 23, 2008 at 3:08:28 AM
 


Ernest is not a professional writer. Nor well educated in political affairs. However, he has uniquely experienced life styles of those who have little.
ErnestErnest is not a professional writer. Nor well educated in political affairs. However, he has uniquely experienced life styles of those who have little.

Nice comment pft..........

I would like to think most people will use the common sense approach in selecting a suitable President.........beginning by taking a closer look at their monthly bank statements, a closer look at their cost of living budgets and where they stand at the moment with their children's college education..........

If they are serious minded people, the choice is easy..........no rational person will agree with McCain and no mother, who loves her children, will vote for Hillary (at least not this time)..............so now that we've used the process of elimination, based on the common sense approach, let's pray we get on with this extraction and pray that if the chosen one does NOT perform appropriately..............that we don't wait till the end of the term to remove the abscess (SOB) again................

Of course, I could be way out in left field and most people don't use the common sense approach............ 

 

by Ernest (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 129 comments) on Friday, May 23, 2008 at 8:38:32 AM
 

 

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