Condemn progressives for voting enthusiastically for Democrats and the inevitable response is something like “just imagine how much worse voting for Republicans would be.”Similarly, many true conservatives and Libertarians see voting for Republicans as a necessary evil.With many progressives regretting giving Democrats a majority in Congress and many conservatives regretting putting George W. Bush in the White House, it is timely to refute lesser evil logic.
Inevitably, lesser evil voters face personal disappointment and some shame.Politicians that receive lesser evil votes do not perform according to the values and principles that the lesser evil voter holds dear.These voters must accept responsibility for putting ineffective, dishonest and corrupt politicians in office.Though they may be lesser evils, they remain evils.
All too often lesser evil voters avoid shame and regret and prevent painful cognitive dissonance by deluding themselves that the politician they helped put in office is really not so bad after all.Corrosive lesser evil voting erodes one’s principles as pragmatism replaces idealism.This makes the next cycle of lesser evil voting easier.
Lesser evil voting helps stabilize America’s two-party duopoly that greatly restricts true political competition.Third party and independent candidates – and minor Democratic and Republican candidates in primaries – are defeated by massive numbers of lesser evil voters.Despite authentically having the political goals that mesh with many voters on the left or right, these minor “best” candidates fall victim to lesser evil voting.Lesser evil voters are addicted to a self-fulfilling prophesy. They think “If I vote for a minor candidate they will lose anyway.”They ensure this outcome though their lesser evil voting.The truly wasted vote is the unprincipled lesser evil vote.
Effective representative democracy requires politically engaged citizens that vote.Lesser-evil voters support the current two-party system with its terribly low voter turnout and chronic dishonesty and corruption.Lesser evil voters help put into office disappointing politicians, not the best people that would restore American democracy and show more citizens that voting is valuable.Lesser evil voters demonstrate the validity of turned-off citizens’ view that it really does not matter which major party wins office.
Politicians knowingly market themselves to lesser evil voters by constructing phony sales pitches, especially to certain audiences outside of their more certain base constituents.Democrats make themselves look more progressive than they really are, and Republicans make themselves look more conservative than they really are.Lesser evil voters are phony, and they produce a phony political system.Lesser evil voters contribute mightily to the travesty of our political system that no sane person respects and has confidence in.
Lesser evil voting demonstrates the worst aspects of political compromise.This is the common cause of terrible laws.When citizens surrender so much of what they truly believe in, they enable compromise politicians to create bad public policy that, in the end, satisfies very few people and puts band-aids on severe problems.Lesser evil voters concede victory to the other side – the side they view as the worse alternative because the people they vote for will not stand up for what is right and necessary.Think Iraq war.Even when their lesser evil side wins, they do not have the principled positions that would prevent awful compromises, often in the name of bipartisanship that is a clever way to justify our corrupt two-party mafia.
Lesser evil voters deride the alternatives of not voting or voting for minor candidates.The outcome should the “other” side win is deemed unacceptable.There is worse and there is worst.The core problem with lesser evil voters is that they are short term thinkers.They fail to see the repeated long term consequence of their style of voting – a system over many election cycles that persists in delivering suboptimal results.The “good” outcome in the current election (from their perspective) is the enemy of the “better” solution in the longer term (from an objective perspective).The better solution is major reform that will never happen as long as lesser evil voting persists.
Understand this: Lesser evil voting is not courageous.It is cowardly surrender to the disappointing two-party status quo.Lesser evil voters should trade regret for pride by voting for candidates they really think are the best.Voters in this presidential primary season have some remarkable opportunities to transform fine minor candidates into competitive major candidates – more honest and trustworthy people like Ron Paul, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich, for example.
Finally, the deadly decline of American democracy results in large measure from lesser evil voters electing lesser evil politicians.When virtually no elected public official is there because most voters have embraced his clear principled, trustworthy positions we get a government that is easily corrupted by corporate and other moneyed interests.We get what we have now.And if you are dissatisfied with that, then reconsider the wisdom of lesser evil voting.We will only get the best government by voting for the best candidates.Otherwise, we get what we deserve and what the power elites prefer.
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”John Quincy Adams
www.delusionaldemocracy.com
Joel S. Hirschhorn is the author of Delusional Democracy - Fixing the Republic Without Overthrowing the Government (www.delusionaldemocracy.com). His current political writings have been greatly influenced by working as a senior staffer for the U.S. Congress and for the National Governors Association. He advocates a Second American Revolution, beginning with an Article V Convention to propose constitutional amendments.
The problem with Iraq is not that the "lesser evil" party won, but that not enough of them won. Had the Dems had a veto proof majority, we would not be having this discussion.
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Bennet Kelley (10 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments)
on Saturday, June 2, 2007 at 12:07:37 PM
There are enough Democrats, along with some Republicans, to end the war now. The reason the war continues is that the leadership and majority of both parties want the war. Democrats don't need a veto-proof majority: they need moral fiber and honesty.
No more lies!!
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Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 998 comments)
on Saturday, June 2, 2007 at 2:41:18 PM
Both parties, in concert w/ the MSM and their powerful large donors have consistently railroaded the popular, people's candidates out of getting nominated, and they select corporate puppets/criminals instead, and offer that to the voters as a "choice", although it is not what the people want. Half of Americans are so disgusted/apathetic they won't vote. A smaller number of those who care enough to vote, vote for what they consider to be the lesser of 2 evils, while an increasing number of people are opting to vote for a 3rd party/independent. This trend is most likely the main reason the Dems support the invasion of the corporate-controlled electronic vote-stealing machines- so they can win with fake numbers when it's their turn. Any candidate who is not a traitor is going to support an open, accountable voting process- and that means an actual paper ballot, not a toilet paper trail. Anyone who wants to vote on an electronic machine can, if they want to, but no one should be forced to
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Better World Order (4 articles, 380 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 815 comments)
on Saturday, June 2, 2007 at 12:45:46 PM
One more criminal, treasonous act that every member of every Congress has been engaging in, is refusing to fulfill their Constitutional mandate to hold a Convention for proposing Amendments- all 50 states legislatures have submitted the applications, and only 2/3 required- why is Congress violating the Constitution, and why are the Courts supporting them- if they're really public servants?
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Better World Order (4 articles, 380 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 815 comments)
on Saturday, June 2, 2007 at 12:54:47 PM
While I agree with the basic argument of the Author, "lesser evil voting" is actually a symptom of a more serious problem. In order to acheive a permanent lock on the reins of power in this country, the foriegn and domestic special interests who control both the GOP and the Dems, have been quietly, over the last few decades, spending a lot of energy and money using voter miseducation, and the media, to create their own cadres of "Robo-voters". These are U.S. voters who behave exactly like voters in communist countries! While communist voters have to deal with only one party, here in the U.S., the one party, must appear as two separate parties. Hence U.S. robo-voters, only allow for two parties: Democrats and Republicans, and two political ideologies: liberal and conservative. Primarily through the miracle of talk radio, and TV, robo-voters been endowed with the fanatical belief, that their chosen faction, is good, and the other down right evil! Hence the meaningless, yet all-consuming hatred, of the "liberal vs "conservative" divide! This insures that "We the people's" awesome political power, is permanently reduced, and largely shunted off, into foolish, liberal vs conservative bickering. By their profound ignorance, robo-voters also insure an unprecidented level of political incompetence, will exist, among U.S. voters. They have absolutely no real knowledge of politics, the U.S. Constitution, or even the correct role of a U.S. voter, nor do they care! Like their communist counterparts, they are all about party, and ideology, over all! The robo-voter will therefore, suffer any lie, loss of rights, and abuse, from their all powerful Dem, and GOP bosses. They are firmly indoctrinated against any, and all, forms of political independence! The GOP and the Dems, can therefore depend upon their faithful robo-voters, to always help them squash any, and all, attempts at breaking their advantageous "two-party" con game!
The introduction of these liberal and conservative robo-voters, has effectively rendered the U.S. political system useless, for the vast majority of Americans! Hence many have all but given up, on voting altogether. Being completely controlled by the media, the robo-voter is incapable, of voting for anyone except, who their TV's tell them to vote for. This makes the so-called two party system a complete sham, and insures that GOP, and Dem crooks, and traitors, will rule the roost, with impunity! Since there is really only one party in the vaunted two party scam, the media expertly handles the propaganda for both parties. In this manner, liberal and conservative robo-voters are sure to be properly programmed, each election cycle. They will be told, who to vote for, who not to vote for, who's the front runner etc and as they have proven time, and time again, they will usually vote exactly as the TV tells them to! If for some reason they don't, then of course, dirty tricks are always an option.
The U.S. political system is currently so deranged, it's certain that neither Jefferson, nor Franklin, would recognize the utter foolishness, that passes for politics in the U.S. today, as the system they left to us! For this catastrophe, we can thank the general political incompetence of contemporary Americans, the criminal special interests, and of course, the legions of faithlful robo-voters, they've managed to create! Over and above all other Americans, the robo-voter, is ever ready to go against their own best interests, and those of the nation, in order to be good party, and ideological cadres! The GOP and the Dems, have committed humongous acts of treason, lied us into needless wars, illegally taken away damn near every protection against tyranny, bequeathed us by the founding fathers, and pretty much, shown the public, complete and utter contempt, since 2000. Per their track record, continued Democratic and Republican misrule, will undoubtedly deepen the nation's, and the world's, misery. Led by the unthinking robo-voter, the U.S. will continue without any rhyme, or reason, to vote Democrat and Republican! People truly do get, the government they deserve!
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Rasoul Acheh (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 122 comments)
on Saturday, June 2, 2007 at 3:50:16 PM
Voting for the lesser evil still means we end up with evil in power and this article perfectly reflects my thoughts. Well written and observed.
I think that honesty in government starts with the voter and if we don't vote for what we truthfully want (regardless of strategies etc.) then how can we ever hope for our governments to truly represent us? The lying starts with us and needs to stop with us.
I plan to start a third party based on the principle that if the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton, all the Progressive and formerly Democratic members of our party will vote for any Republican over her.
In other words, we're throwing a major tantrum.
Calling someone like her the lesser evil is truly splitting hairs.
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Russ Wellen (58 articles, 1029 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 335 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 2:41:30 AM
This sounds eerily similar to the 2000 argument that there was no difference between Bush and Gore. It relies on broad stroke generalizations and is frankly intellectually lazy. You may think HRC's position on Iraq or issue A, B or C to be not too far off from the Republican position -- but do you honestly think that HRC (or any of the other Dems) would:
(i) nominate another Alito to the Supreme Court;
(ii) appoint cabinet officers who are hostile to the very purpose of the agency they head or an attorney general who approves of torture;
(iii) fail to fairly enforce the law such as under Bush where recipients of the Earned Income Tax Credit program were the target of half of all audits in 2005 and over 20 times more likely than millionaires to be subject to an in person audit - or where the administration sought nearly $10,000 in fines against Catholic missionaries traveling to Cuba, while fining a coal mining company only $440 for “significant and substantial” safety violations that led to the death of a miner;
(iv) be beholden to christian right groups and promote abstinence and creationism despite what science may say about each; or
(v) do nothing while the number of Americans in poverty and/or without insurance soars?
In your defense, you admit that this is a political tantrum -- but haven't we learned anything from the last tantrum?
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Bennet Kelley (10 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 9:44:11 AM
I must be missing something because if I don't vote for the lesser of two evils in a two choice system, then I am voting for the greater of two evils. Now that sounds really dumb.
The entire discussion seems so naïve as to be pointless. Good people rarely run for political office in any party anymore, and when they do, people like Dennis Kucinich, they are ridiculed by the media, and would never get enough votes to even get close to being elected president.
We're not going to get any more Thomas Jeffersons running for office folks. Really talented people wouldn't touch the presidential race with a 1,000,000 mile pole. In fact, mostly power-hungry megalomaniacs run for the presidency (think George W. Bush for example).
So you say “let's start a third party”. Great, which one? Green party? Progressive party? Lesser of three evils party?
I just don't see it happening. I don't see people in sufficient numbers doing anything about it. More often than not, you’ll just split the votes, and give the election to the greater of two, or three evils.
In my mind we are going to be stuck with this system until we get the money out of the system. As long as senators and congressmen need to dial for dollars all day long we are going to have this miserable choice before us every two years. So if you really want to do something about the problem, work and lobby hard for campaign finance reform and public financing of elections. If the elections actually become fair, and were conducted on trustworthy equipment, we might be able to get somewhere.
So is everyone going to just keep complaining on message boards, or are you going to call your Senators and Congressmen?
You voice your opinion clearly and well...but I disagree with your negativity and pessimism. I believe strongly that we are at precisely the right juncture to create a viable third party option as our two party systems continue to fail - and fail so obviously that even with a media bias - the public are noticing and looking for something else.
Although I am in England, we are in a similare situation - two parties that present no true choice and a third party (plus other smaller independents) that are presented by the media as a waste of time.
What is needed is to get a third party created from a point of agreement amongst the smaller parties. I know of a Senate candidate in Maryland (Kevin Zeese) who was the one candidate representing three smaller parties - he got them to start by agreeing what they all wanted (the easy stuff ie: end to the war in Iraq, stop to the loss of civil liberties etc.) and they grew from that point of agreement. Here in the UK, I have just joined our third party (despite having a similar attitude to you Joel, until recently) and will encourage this as a next step here.
Until we choose to have change - there won't be any. Until we choose to be represented by those who truly reflect our beliefs - we won't be truly represented and most importantly, until we vote with honesty, then we will never have honesty in power.
Namaste,
Tina Louise www.armsagainstwar.info
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tinalouise (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 21 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 8:45:46 AM
My pessimism is because of the money that corrupts the entire system.
Two parties or ten, if every elected representative is dialing for dollars from corporations and big donors most of the day, we aren’t going to get better government, we will just slowly corrupt those who started the process out honest.
Kevin Zeese is great, but he’ll never get elected. I support him, but if he needs to start calling donors on his first day in office, he won’t be able to get anything done either.
I’m ready for change, but first we need to figure out how to eliminate the money chase (despite the Supreme Court).
It won’t be easy.
John
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John R Moffett (79 articles, 14 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 593 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 10:11:04 AM
Another thing that is changing is the way we hear about our politicians and the way we view the media. So many of us now find our information on the net, we form opinions based on wider sources than the limited mainstream media choices that we are beginning to see through. I think that it will be possible for politicians to come to us freely on the net, they will be able to get their policies out without huge funding.
I have been following Mike Gravel's trail after he spoke so frankly at the Democrat debate a few months back - wow, his internet presence has become incredible - and he has funding coming in from individuals. At one stage on his forum, the administrator mentioned that he wasn't invited to an upcoming debate - the forum all wrote to the organisers of the debate and he was invited.
Quite amazing things can happen and just because they haven't in the past - doesn't mean they won't now. The world has changed and much about politics comes over as pre-historic! Generations of voter age people have grown up having being influenced as much by the internet, as the mainstream media....if not, more so.
Change is essential and also inevitable :)
Namaste,
Tina Louise www.armsagainstwar.info
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tinalouise (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 21 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 11:00:01 AM
It's easy to blame the democratic leadership in the Congress for their failure to stop Bush and the other thugs, and they've earned a lot of blame, but we must identify and deal with the real problem: Power of the so-called LIBERAL press. "Liberal" my ass. The press crucifies Clinton for sex with an adult woman but joins in the chorus for attacking foreign countries. Had the Dems found the guts to stop funding the occupations the press would have gone non-stop, 24/7 in crucifying them. The amazing number of boneheads across the nation would have eventually bought the whole load of crap. It's the press we must deal with!
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JAMES MCGHEE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 14 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 9:22:39 AM
Right after the 06' election, and by that I mean the every next day, pundits were throwing out names for the 08' election and it's been a steady drumbeat every night since. The top candidates this and the top candidates that, and those that resonate with the people are marginalized and ridiculed.
This country is a joke of it's intended self. The Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves at what's become of their Grand Experiment.
Ask yourself this - when do the politicians have time to govern? Ninety-percent of their time is begging for money from the very people willing to give it - for a price, a very steep price. The selling down the river of The People's Government to a MIC and the MSM cretins who profit from constant war.
Most legislators never have the time to read the bills they sign or even discuss them. And you expect them to govern?
There are some very simple steps to take to fix a lot of our current problems. Public Financing and a uniform, verifiable, election system would go a long way. But we're a long way from common-sense solutions. Common-sense left the dock a long time ago.
What we have now is certifiable, incredibly ruthless, sociopaths who have gained control of near all the resources needed to sustain life and ninety-percent of all people read, see and hear. It's a very bad situation and I see nothing good coming from it.
The fall will not be gentle or kind. There will be no mercy given. No savior in the form of a candidate, or one from the sky, be it a god or alien is going to save us. It will just be us with our failure as a species to have both the ability to create wonders that near rival Natures and at the same time enough stupidity to destroy the very thing that nurtures life and knowingly doing it.
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Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 1113 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 10:26:17 AM
After reading comments on my article on this and other sites I see the need to point out a logic issue. When I refuse to vote for the lesser evil (as I did when I voted for Nader and not Gore) it is not I and my fellow principled voters that take the blame for putting the greater evil candidate (Bush) in office. In truth, it is the larger number of voters on the other end of the political spectrum - real conservatives - that voted for their lesser evil choice - George W. Bush. And if Gore had won I am 100 percent certain that I would have been sorely disappointed in his presidency. So many people NOW love Gore because he is acting as someone NOT in office on his principles, but if he was in office that would NOT be true. Indeed, when Gore was vice president he was totally disappointing and did not press his principles. That is the bigger reality. All the mainstream two-party politicians will sell out to get in office and stay in office.
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Joel S. Hirschhorn (116 articles, 21 quicklinks, 50 diaries, 447 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 11:44:27 AM
You are an intelligent person and you know what the consequences of your vote might be. You wanted to feel good about how you voted and there was a price associated with that feeling. You chose personal pleasure with your vote above what was better for the country, or "the lesser evil" as you put it. You alone can decide if it was worth it.
But dont tell us you arent responsible. Of course you are. After the German election of March 5, 1933, no one should have any illusions about the consequences of voting for a favorite small party versus forming a coalition against a potential monster. The Nazis only received 43% of the vote. Most of the left was fractured over 2-3 parties who mostly fought with each other over who was the true voice of the left. That always leads to the same place.
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Steven Leser (189 articles, 35 quicklinks, 32 diaries, 1285 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 12:28:05 PM
There is no greater responsibility charged to U.S. voters, than making sure their ballot, never goes to elect traitors, or criminals, to office! The people in actuality are, the ultimate safeguard against corruption in political systems such as the one we have, in the U.S. That most comtemporary voters are too incompetent, or brainwashed, to understand, this most fundamental tenant of voting, is never the fault of those voters, who do! The intelligent voter, who remains true to this creed, is doing their job, helping to safeguard the political system from corruption. This, they must do, against all odds, and regardless of the outcome of the election. The idiot, who indulges in such practices as choosing, "The lesser of two evils", not only does incalcuable harm to themselves, but to the nation, and potentially to future generations!
Since U.S. voters have the power, to independently field, and elect, candidates of their choice, needlessly indulging in Democratic and Republican engineered, "lesser of two evils" voting, is downright criminal! The inevitably unfortunate outcome, of elections in which foolish voters, happen to outnumber, intelligent ones, must always rest upon the ill-conceived actions, of the foolish voters! It is they, who throw away their precious votes, on worthless "lesser of two evil" candidates! Nothing good can ever, come of such a wreckless act! It is therefore for the incompetent voter, to at least heed the counsel, or follow the example, of the intelligent voter! It should never be the other way around! Intelligent voters for their part, already know better, than to follow the counsel, or the example, of voters naive enough, to vote for the "lesser of two evils"!
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Rasoul Acheh (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 122 comments)
on Tuesday, June 5, 2007 at 12:24:32 PM
The Problem Is Not Money, But the Poor Quality of the Voters
The U.S. political system was never designed to work on auto-pilot. It requires voters with a high degree of political savvy, in order to work as originally intended. So much hinges upon the political acumen of the voters, the system totally breaks down, if intelligent voters don't exist, to uphold it! With unthinking robo-voters, dominating so much of the nation's electorate today, Jefferson's old Republican system is now under serious attack. Contemporary voters are just too politically incompetent, to even understand, let alone, make the system work properly. The critical concept of the people united around the Constitution, is completely unknown, to most U.S. voters today!
One of the clearest indications of the contemporary voter's lack of political acumen, is the widespread but absurd belief, that there are only "two choices" in U.S. politics! This is primarily a twentieth century invention which could never have flown, prior to the rise, of radio and TV! The modern mass media, has been very effective in brainwashing the public, in ways that make it impossible for them, to unite and exercise real political power. Political division and ignorance, is unfortunately, what the public has largely been taught. The problem with the U.S., and most western nations, is that each succeeding generation, appears to become increasingly dumber politically, than the one before it! The current U.S. generation, is now so far removed, from the vital political teachings, of the founding fathers, they lack even the most basic political instincs, and little, or no understanding, of what U.S. politics is supposed to be about. Since they get their news and information from a privately owned, propaganda apparatus or mainstream media, they tend to be misinformed, and in the dark, about much of what's going on at home, and abroad. Their lives are based primarily upon certain cherished fantasies of Americana, which they nonetheless, firmly believe are real. This is an enormous handicap, in today's era of near universal, political and media corruption!
Alternative parties have always been viable in the U.S., until the corrupt Democrats and Republicans, in collusion with the media, finally convinced people, they were a waste of time! Afterall, who is really served by this absurd, and disenfranchising, notion? Certainly not the public! It never occurs to inept contemporary voters however, that when under dire threat, the people must unite politically, rather than remain divided! They fail to grasp that they too, not just politicians, must defend the rule of law, when it's under attack by enemies, both foreign and domestic! Smug in their ignorance, today's robo-voter, instead, blocks out any unpleasant realities, and chooses what they perceive to be the "lesser of two evils". That they would accept such worthless choices, shows more than anything else, just how unfit for the higher responsibilities of U.S. citizenship, today's Americans are! What we have today is an abundance of brainwashed voters, most with no idea, they're brainwashed. We also have "one party" political, if not economic, communism, going by the misnomer of "two party" politics! Unless enough contemporary Americans, actually change, their horrendous political thinking, and habits, things will only get worse!
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Rasoul Acheh (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 122 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 12:37:11 PM
I just left a debate watching party in here in Tampa Bay. There were about a hundred Democrats there to watch the Democratic debate. Two days from now I will be at another debate watching party and there will be a similar number of Republicans watching. I know from experience that I will likely be the only person who will be at both. I can only hope there are some people who will stay home and watch both.
I've done a lot of study lately on the classic definition of Liberalism and I can say with complete sincerity that "I is one". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
This wikipedia entry on Liberalism should be required reading before anyone can use the word "Liberal". It takes a good hour to read it carefully, so save it and call it up some time when you're bored and looking for a good read.
My point is that in looking at all nineteen candidates for office, I see only four or five who fit the definition of Liberal. None of them are in the top three of either party, and they are not all on the Democratic side.
Your main points and the comment by Acheh about robo-voters is entirely acurate. The saddest commentary on our system is the people who have taken the time in this forum to reject what you are saying by saying they must only look at the candidates from one side and reject out of hand the candidates from the other (let alone third parties).
David
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David N-V (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 34 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 10:04:06 PM
I tried to post aa comment about how personal experience had demonstrated to me the futility of voting for the lesser evil. But I received a message that word could not be longer than 90 characters. What the '~#^* is wrong. There are NO 90 character words in my post. I don't know what the '~#^* you mean by hyperlinks. I deleted the addresses of my web page and blog at the bottom but I still kept getting the same message! I you want people to comment, don't put up hoops to jump through that you need a Ph.D in computers to understand!
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rhalfhill (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 266 comments)
on Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 11:23:40 PM
