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March 19, 2008 at 22:23:23

Headlined on 3/19/08:
Symbolic War...lets try it again.

by James Strait     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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Had President George Bush looked into the lens of the camera back in 2003 and stated to the world that, because America was attacked by people from a country that we now believe, because of a preponderance of the evidence (Not a guarantee from God, just a tip of the scale), to have been complicit in the facilitation of terrorist training, and that because of such the US military was going to visit that country and balance the equation…then his and our problems would now be far fewer and of less magnitude.

However, the Presidents embellishment of data suggesting that weapons of mass destruction existed in Iraq has diminished his and our ability to again look the world in the eyes. He should have said, you’re actions have placed your country in great peril, and we’re coming to even the score even if your only means of fighting back is to throw rocks at our tanks. Had he said something along those lines, the world would have grimaced but endured the consequences far better than what has transpired using the WMD ploy.

Someone once noted, the first warrior actually, that war is an imprecise venture. George Bush being a student of such history is aware of war as an instrument of change, even if very difficult to direct. The modern struggle against Islam is the most imprecise battle of them all. It is our modern hundred years war, into which we are already three decades deep. 9/11 changed the rules of engagement in this war. While it is my belief that our response was measured and modest, it was the best that could be mustered in the narrowed window of opportunity available to retaliate.

America was a pressure cooker of need following 9/11. The need to know everything about everyone, the need to balance the equation, the need to show the world that we are in the know with our intelligence capabilities, the need to send a message. There was no choice other than to vent the pressure, and in so doing send a message to the world that America was still very much capable of taking action.

But now, millions of American citizens and the world complain that our reasons for war with Iraq are based on lies. Bad news to follow; It is worse than that, the war is based on truth. That truth being that we publicly invaded Iraq for no other reason that we needed to send the message that we will do ANYTHING (short of using nukes) to diminish and punish our enemy…

…The war in Iraq is purely a symbolic action.

While it may be unappetizing to consider that we would waste a middle east nation and endanger tens of thousands of US troops just to send a message, it may also be the ultimate rationale. Just as US and British forces did towards the end of World War Two, where we fire bombed Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, and many other non strategic venues, and of course plasticized Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic weapons…Iraq is our modern equivalent to those symbolic raids of yesteryear. The destruction of those German and Japanese cities was for little other purpose than to send the message that the United States and her allies were prepared to do ANYTHING to win the war. The message was received with clarity in 1945, and to a lesser degree the message has been received now. But understand…the message and its rationale remain the same now, as then. War is a tool.

However, in today's world the war against global Islam is far more complex and challenging. The Japanese and Nazi's were girl scouts compared to Islam's lunatics. And since war is inevitable (like it or not, it IS inevitable), and since affidavits from God are not available guaranteeing the righteousness of war, mortal men make hard and often callous decisions knowing that little good can come from it. Such was, and is Iraq.

Conventionally, little good has come from the war in Iraq. Democracy is unlikely to succeed in the middle east because it is incompatible with the tenants of Islam. Psychologically, freedom feels wrong to those who have lived under the thumb of tyrants. The onslaught of freedom is overload to their emotionally raw state of being. Most will willingly revert back to what they are familiar with, even when such would diminish their future. The children in those societies are merely along for the ride.

But Iraq has long ago served its purpose of sending a message. And no matter when US troops leave Iraq that entire area of the world will descend into another cycle of madness. Ancient theocratic thinking attempting to exist in modern commercialized industrial world produces confused and murderous theocrats.

When fighting madmen it is imperative to let them know that you too will do ANYTHING to prevent their madness from compromising the sanctity of your way of life. World leaders (even George W. Bush) think in the scale of the grand stage…our leader(s) recognized that we needed a symbolic action, and since Iraq was already ruled by notorious bad actor, and since we already had troops in the area, opportunity had met preparation. The rest is history and a festering thorn in the side of those that do not understand the grand stage reasoning.

While justified and marketed using an inconvenient form of “truth“, the war in Iraq was just us sending a message. Failing clear lines of battle, expect more of the same. (Especially if we enter into a second era of economic depression.)

 

Host of "American Voices" radio-Wednesdays 7-8PM Eastern & Co-Host of popular "Strait & Kall"radio programming- Thursdays 8-9PM Eastern, airing on WNJC1360 in the Philadelphia Pennsylvania radio market(live internet stream www.wnjc1360.com); Frequent guest/co-host on "Voice of the Voters" radio. Most importantly, a concerned and involved American.

 

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Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

What's worse, your bad grammar or bizarre statist delusions?

ROTFLMAO! You're one sick puppy, Mr. Strait(jacket).

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 373 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 6:13:30 AM
 


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Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

Infantile

Juvenile

Could be, but that far-and-away beats your infantile nonsense any day, Mr. Should-Really-Be-In-A-"Straitjacket"

Haing trouble wrapping your mind around grown up concepts?

Well, first, unlike you, at least I have a mind; and second, you wouldn't know a "grown up concept" if someone stuck it on your person where-the-sun-don't-shine.

You have an emotional age of a preteen.

Which, as we can clearly see, is more than sufficient to show you up, Mr. Really-Needs-To-Be-In-A-"Straitjacket".

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 373 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 8:43:27 AM
 


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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Jim

'When fighting madmen it is imperative to let them know that you too will do ANYTHING to prevent their madness from compromising the sanctity of your way of life. World leaders (even George W. Bush) think in the scale of the grand stage…our leader(s) recognized that we needed a symbolic action, and since Iraq was already ruled by notorious bad actor, and since we already had troops in the area, opportunity had met preparation. The rest is history and a festering thorn in the side of those that do not understand the grand stage reasoning.'

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You are not original here. You just follow Thomas Friedman who said and wrote that we attacked Iraqies because we 'had to  show them' and because we could. The above logic (as well as Friedman's) is the logic of sick rapist, sorry. Rapist starts with the perception: all women are evil and malicious ( it is the same as a war against global Islam- sorry again, James,  this war exists only in the rapist's head), thus he  has a right to' show them' and   because they are evil anyway he can do ANYTHING to ' show them'  so that they cannot even think about  destroying his way  of life, etc.

There is no symbolism in Iraqi war ( unless you were  using that as a grotesque). There are only dead. GW does not ' think'.  You blame him for his behavior at Katrina but if he was a ' thinker' he would at least be consistent. He is not. He is a delusional goon who  would just follow his masters and then some Friedman would justify the atrocity.  That simple.

By the way- nothing is history. Dead people come back big time. Oh yes, they do, believe me. They  have a nasty tendency to ask for more and more. Who is juvenile here?  The  US had adopted a strategy of the  unfortunate rapist and  that is the epithome of the juvenile behavior. Just look at Thomas Friedman and you see the undeveloped brain.  Just look at GW.

We had opened a Pandora box of Hell and  the payback only started. If we here  do not stop thinking like a rapist and start fast to grow up we are up to a very rude awakening. Tell you what- if that happens I hope you  find Thomas Friedman and ' show him'.

 

by Mark Sashine (44 articles, 19 quicklinks, 228 diaries, 3254 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 8:51:17 AM
 


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Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

How can you possibly take him seriously?

He's not even a good troll.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 373 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 9:01:33 AM
 


'The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.' Thomas Jefferson 1787
Munich'The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.' Thomas Jefferson 1787

911 Was An Inside Job

"America was a pressure cooker of need following 9/11. The need to know everything about everyone, the need to balance the equation."

This "need" which you are referring Mr. Strait was fomented by the blatant deception of 911, the lies and the fear which was then bestowed upon the American people. Like hogs to slaughter, the good people of America complied with their governments orders. But now Mr. Strait [jacket] this malevolent and maniacal plot is beginning to unravel. These same American people's trust and their patience has worn thin. They've had enough! It is time now for Truth and justice to be served. America wants their country back Mr. Strait. Do you? I doubt it!

by Munich (0 articles, 47 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 668 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 11:20:11 AM
 


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The objective of the invasion was imperialism, not symbolism

The US used certain TACTICS to achieve certain OBJECTIVES in Iraq.  The tactics used were named "Shock and Awe." The intent of using this form of invasion was to attack with so much overwhelming force that "the enemy" would be demoralized and would surrender very quickly. In this sense, the tactics used could be said to be "symbolic."

To conflate this symbolism, however, with the OBJECTIVES of invading Iraq is a very, very serious mistake.  The following statement suggests that symbolism was the objective when, in reality, imperialism was, and is, the objective:

"That truth being that we publicly invaded Iraq for no other reason that we needed to send the message that we will do ANYTHING (short of using nukes) to diminish and punish our enemy…

…The war in Iraq is purely a symbolic action."

I would strongly encourage the author to read Naomi Klein's excellent book "The Shock Doctrine" in which she clearly lays out the long, sad history of US exploitation of weaker nations. I would also recommend Chalmers Johnson's "The Sorrows of Empire." Read those two works and you'll soon understand that the invasion of Iraq was about a whole lot more than mere symbolism. For a "reads like a spy novel" less scholarly treatment of US imperialism, one might also read John Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man."

Since well back into the 1890's, the US military has been used to procure (i.e. conquer and steal) resources for private corporations. False claims of "defending the country" have long been used to justify those military actions that are too large in scale to hide from the view of the American people. When smaller scale actions can be used, like assassinations, propaganda and elections fraud, clandestine activities by the CIA are always chosen over the more visible use of the US military.

The bottom line is that Iraq was not invaded to "send a message"; Iraq was invaded to exploit the Iraqi people and their resources for private, commercial gain. Take a look at the financial statements of Exxon-Mobil, Lockheed-Martin, Halliburton and many other mega-corporations and you'll easily see the benefits they've derived from the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. The objective of the invasion was imperialism, not symbolism.

To suggest that symbolism, which could be said to be in the national interest, was the objective rather than imperialism, which caters only to a narrow set of corporations and harms the American people, and of course the Iraqi people as well, badly misunderstands the motives for the US invasion of Iraq. 

by welshTerrier2 (7 articles, 3 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 105 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 12:14:32 PM
 


Host of "American Voices" radio-Wednesdays 7-8PM Eastern & Co-Host of popular "Strait & Kall"radio programming- Thursdays 8-9PM Eastern, airing on WNJC1360 in the Philadelphia Pennsylvania radio market(live internet stream www.wnjc1360.com);

Frequent guest/co-host on "Voice of the Voters" radio.

Most importantly, a concerned and involved American.

James StraitHost of "American Voices" radio-Wednesdays 7-8PM Eastern & Co-Host of popular "Strait & Kall"radio programming- Thursdays 8-9PM Eastern, airing on WNJC1360 in the Philadelphia Pennsylvania radio market(live internet stream www.wnjc1360.com);

Frequent guest/co-host on "Voice of the Voters" radio.

Most importantly, a concerned and involved American.

hmmmm

The invasion of Iraq could never serve any productive purpose other than to send a message. Even if we glean a little oil from our efforts, it is in the long run meaningless. Imperialsim? How? Installing democracy is after the fact politically correct spin....Islam and democracy will NEVER be companions.

It was about sending a message. Some people got it, others did not. Situation normal.

 

 

by James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 191 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 1:28:53 PM
 


Stanimal is a concerned citizen of planet Earth, wanting to promote fairness and harmony with fellow inhabitants.
StanimalStanimal is a concerned citizen of planet Earth, wanting to promote fairness and harmony with fellow inhabitants.

Your view of the world and the

opinion you contrive to justify U. S. Imperialism is what's the problem.

Islam is what brought Europe out of the "Dark Ages" and began the Renaissance period by allowing all faiths to practice peacefully under its rule. The Christians with their Crusades has as much blood on their hands as the Army's of Islam, over the centuries.

Iran had a democratic elected president in 1953, and the CIA replaced him with the Shah, and after the 1979 Iranian revolution does Iran have the theocratic government of today. This was all about oil 55 years ago too.

9/11, Desert Storm II was the NWO's way of "Shock & Awe" to the world that innocent life will be forsaken to achieve its agenda. the MSM has glamorized war and made the public indifferent of human suffering, as the U.S. is slowly bled dry by the Military Industrial Complex.

Iraq and Afghanistan incursions are all about oil and the means of control on where it goes. The costs in life and material are acceptable to these greedy fascist's who implement such misguided foreign policy.

Your support of Bu$h & Co's impeachable offenses Treasonous acts, and War Crimes, are why they world no longer respects or trusts the U.S..

The amount of money spent by the Pentagon since the "Peace Dividend" could have been used to solve many of the U.S. citizens and world's problems, having much greater return on investment.

by Stanimal (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 324 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 8:25:06 PM
 


Host of "American Voices" radio-Wednesdays 7-8PM Eastern & Co-Host of popular "Strait & Kall"radio programming- Thursdays 8-9PM Eastern, airing on WNJC1360 in the Philadelphia Pennsylvania radio market(live internet stream www.wnjc1360.com);

Frequent guest/co-host on "Voice of the Voters" radio.

Most importantly, a concerned and involved American.

James StraitHost of "American Voices" radio-Wednesdays 7-8PM Eastern & Co-Host of popular "Strait & Kall"radio programming- Thursdays 8-9PM Eastern, airing on WNJC1360 in the Philadelphia Pennsylvania radio market(live internet stream www.wnjc1360.com);

Frequent guest/co-host on "Voice of the Voters" radio.

Most importantly, a concerned and involved American.

Endorsement?

The article is not an endorsement of the war, or of the why, or of the how it all started. The article is merely an explanation.

As to my contention about Islams "true believers"...if the concept of Jihad were not one of Islams fundamental tenets, then Islam would merely be a one dimensional mysogynistic antiquated theological belief system. However, with Jihad, it is evil personified.

 

by James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 191 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 9:35:17 PM
 


'The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.' Thomas Jefferson 1787
Munich'The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.' Thomas Jefferson 1787

Iraq had nothing to do with 911, Jim

"While it is my belief that our response was measured and modest, it was the best that could be mustered in the narrowed window of opportunity available to retaliate."

Retaliate? For what! Such gibberish you spew Jim! Both Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing whatsoever to do with 911. Did you know that? It's a fact! You've been misled, Jim. 

The attack on Afghanistan had everything to do with Unocal, and the Caspian Pipeline Consortium. If you did a little reading Jim you'd understand this. The information's out there. Go for it!

 

 

by Munich (0 articles, 47 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 668 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 10:45:48 PM
 


Just a person that knows he matters and placing more on acceptance than expectation... And while this explanation is viewed apparently by some as limited, here's some more personal information that those same some believe I "need" to testify that I can post here at OpEdNews.com:
I have an undergraduate degree (BA even - not a foppish BS) in biology/environmental science with an emphasis on environmental/ecological systems (they are, like, um, so complex), a master's degree in public he...

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Tom MurphyJust a person that knows he matters and placing more on acceptance than expectation... And while this explanation is viewed apparently by some as limited, here's some more personal information that those same some believe I "need" to testify that I can post here at OpEdNews.com:
I have an undergraduate degree (BA even - not a foppish BS) in biology/environmental science with an emphasis on environmental/ecological systems (they are, like, um, so complex), a master's degree in public he...

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Good article!

A very apt piece that details what's transpired in Iraq over the past several years - and why.  Mr. Strait, I believe, has hit the "nail on the head" with his analysis.  And I too fear that even if a form of stability is attained in the region, once the coalition forces depart en masse, the centuries old resentments will once again flare up.

You can bring the horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.

by Tom Murphy (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1339 comments) on Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 9:33:28 PM
 


I'm a dull and simple lad
Cannot tell water from champagne

David WattsI'm a dull and simple lad
Cannot tell water from champagne

Tommy proves 9/11 = inside job.

No one need spend any more time arguing with Tommy.

Tommy has proved 9/11 was an inside job. 

Therefore, any and all arguments Tommy makes in support of the Official Story are irrelevant.

Tom Murphy Proves 9/11 was Inside Job

by David Watts (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 226 comments) on Friday, March 21, 2008 at 1:10:00 AM
 

 

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