If 9/11 is as the “truthers” say it is, a governmental conspiracy, then that reality would be of such horrific magnitude that if I truly believed in such, that I would be a leader for armed over throw of an irreversibly immoral government. If the truthers version of 9/11 were true, it would be the most vile act in all of American History, and it is the stuff that is worth sacrificing your life and legacy over.
Why are the “truthers” all talk and no action?
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I will assume, as I have somewhat followed your opinions and articles, that you believe 9/11 occured as our government has officially said it did. If I am incorrect in my assumption please disregard the following.
From what I can tell IMHO, there are many who are taking much action to have points of contention re: 9/11 brought up for additional investigation, answers and public debate. In no particular order, Dr. Steven Jones, Richard Gage, David Ray Griffin, the New Jersey Girls, Webster Tarpley, Noam Chomsky, William Rodriguez, Mike Ruppert, John Feal, John Schroeder, Mike Ryan (the last 3 first responders). Countless others including many outside our country, some in governmental offices around the world have in their ways, called for recognition of vast inconsistencies to be publically and officially faced. In a myriad of ways I would suggest that there is a rather large contingent of voices calling to act. I would waste space and your time if I continued referencing the thousands upon thousands of individuals and groups of Americans who, through internet sites, radio, periodicals, letters to editors and other means are attempting to have their issues heard. Our governments response to all this (9/11 Commission Report, FEMA, NIST) is now at 3+ years and counting. If the governments version is correct, and 19 guys pulled this off, we are indeed wasting our time and I yours.
I am a bit embarassed to admit that beyond my personal and ongoing conversations with friends and aquaintances, I personally do little to put into action what I believe 9/11 represents. If discussion and causing others and myself to search out better understanding is 'taking action', I am doing that. If organizing a march on Washington, confronting Bill Clinton with a poster or preaching the evils of government in diatribes is 'taking action', I am not.
I will not argue with you over what each of us believe. Tossing links at each other is not my idea of a day well spent, at least not today. I will say to you that I am a person who regards history as a very important part of all that we can understand when attempting to determine what lies ahead, or in this matter, what has occured.
I would like to offer as my opinion that our checks and balances functioning government, as the representative of it's people, is no longer. It is in this new corporate controlled paradigm that I believe 9/11 represents the breakdown of the relationship of trust.
I do believe, knowing as much as I do at this moment, but not as much as I will tomorrow, we have been lazy too long and we are responsible for the shameless dishonoring of each other, IMHO the tenant on which this country was founded. Our culture, once a bastian of protection of all individuals, now by our governments actions in passage of the Patriot Acts I AND II, Military Commissions Act, PDD 51 (and i include going back in history some 100 years of incremental changes in governmental policy and action) has allowed to be redrawn, the landscape of what we claim daily we still are. The foundation of our house has been step by step altered and compromised and now is falling in on itself to the detriment of each of us.
I am not a believer in, as you suggest if you believed as I do, leading the charge to overthrow. I am holding out with my stubborn squeaky wheel philosophy which may indeed be short sighted given my above stated opinions. I have a family and do not wish my wife nor sons to be left husbandless and fatherless, for that is my honor to my belief that in our family relationshps we take care of each other first and from that we build strong foundations. I believe love wins.
The though has crossed my mind that at some point we may have a real battle here. For the time being, I am still of the belief that we can salvage ourselves as a functioning republic, based on personal liberty. Only time will tell if we do. History is not kind in this regard.
Thank you. You made me think.
peace
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mikel paul (2 articles, 1 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 285 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 1:53:17 PM
I will also not argue the relative merits of the Truth movement, but I will point out that countless fathers and mothers that loved their families equally to you and I, have lost their lives in less than perfect struggles that have given us the past half century of relative tranquillity.
Their sacrifice is the evidence supporting the observation, "talk is cheap".
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James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 191 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 2:24:32 PM
The Media Must Be Woken Up And Pressured Into Reporting
Most media people still believe the "official" story about 9/11 (the "19 boxcutter-wielding Muslims" version). The only inside job "evidence" they've been exposed to is the propaganda put out by the 9/11 coverup perps. The media need to learn that the 9/11 "truth movement" has been run by the 9/11 criminals since day one. (Literally, day one: 9/11/01!)
The following two articles detail this:
The 9/11 attacks, the 9/11 cover up, and the 9/11 "truth movement"were orchestrated by people associated with directed energy weapons and the media:
The media must be pressured into reporting these court cases as well:
Court Cases in the US District Court, Southern District of New York, with Attorney Jerry Leaphart:
**Dr Judy Wood, suing on behalf of the United States of America and demanding a Trial by Jury, has evidence that Directed Energy Weapons were a causal factor in the destruction of the World Trade Center:
Docket No. 1:07-cv-03314-GBD Title: Dr. Judy Wood ex rel. USA vs. Applied Research Associates, Inc. et al. Judge: George B. Daniels
** Dr Morgan Reynolds, suing on behalf of the United States of America and demanding a Trial by Jury, has evidence that the Media broadcasted cartoons of an airplane hitting the South Tower:
The relevant quote is as follows (emphasis added):
”… one man has sued on behalf of the United States, claiming that Mr. Gilsanz is part of a vast conspiracy to cover up the truth about 9/11, including the “so-called building failures.” The lawsuit maintains that exotic weaponry actually destroyed the buildings, and that the airplanes were mass psychological trickery.”
Only after the real9/11 perpetrators are widely exposed with the media break!
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CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 382 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 2:04:32 PM
I have just been to the first Australian conference on 9/11 truth. I met some great people there, including Dr Bowman, Ed Griffin, Barrie Zwicker and Dave von Kleist. But there were some taboos at the conference. The organisers specifically excluded any discussion of no planes, and also, it would seem, ofdirected energy weapons having been involved. I tried to ask a question about directed energy and also about the videos that were shown on the day by the media. I didn't get very far. Interesting, isn't it? Truthers are ordinary people, with all the weaknesses of ordinary people, including lack of knowledge and a lack of impartiality, which, philosophers tell us, we need to each individually try to overcome in ourselves. Why prejudge what will crack the media and what will bring down the government, and lead to the trial of George Bush, Dick Cheney, and all the rest of them who were involved in the destruction and the murders on 9/11? To me, those videos of the planes flying into the buildings are so obviously fake that every time I hear someone say something like "On 9/11 we saw the planes flying into the buildings", I shudder.
Those videos are absurd. A plane is a fragile structure, which, apart from the engines, is mainly aluminium. As someone put it, a plane can be damaged beyond recognition with a five-pound long-handled lump hammer. Apart from the engines, most of it would smash to bits in any collision with a concrete and steel wall. It certainly wouldn't go through the wall and through a number of horizontal steel and concrete floors (it's flying at an angle) in a hole equal to its own contour without smashing (and possibly bursting into flames), and without loss of speed, as those cartoons depicted! So, Dr Reynolds has a case. Unfortunately, the American legal system is now so stacked and corrupt, that he has an uphill battle. Look at those videos again, with the idea in mind that they are fake.
Sydney, Australia
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Robert Hoogenboom (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 152 comments)
on Monday, March 17, 2008 at 6:11:16 PM
First of all, you don't have "standing" to ask that question
I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that, at this point in time, anyone who still believes, or claims to believe (as you do) the government's version of events, is not an objective, open-minded, morally competent, intellectually honest person.
You may actually be naive and technically illiterate and ignorant of history and human nature enough to "honestly believe" that there are no rogue elements of the U.S. government having complicity in 911, but the odds are overwhelmingly against it. Do you follow?
So, to put it simply, who the hell are you to ask a question like that? Some polite people may try to give you an answer, but as far as I'm concerned, you'll need to earn some credibility as an "honest fool" before asking an imposing question like that. Maybe you can start by clearly stating what it would take to convince you that rogue elements of the U.S. government (and their Mossad collaborators) are complicit. Please give some examples.
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Harold Smith (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 350 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 6:04:58 PM
I am many things; arrogant, undeserving, blessed, athletic, indulgent, intolerant, agile, artistic, mean spirited, inconsistent, generous, selfish, selfless and hyper self critical...I am human...but what I am not, is ignorant of any governments potential or facility for evil. The nature of government is not the question (I have been part of that evil), but my character was not the subject matter.
The question was and remains, "why are truthers all talk and no action?" The question still stands.
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James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 191 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 7:05:11 PM
Why didnt the blacks revolt in the 60s ? Why didnt we revolt when JFK was whacked by the CIA ? Why didnt we revolt when NAFTA sold us down the river ?
You Mr. Strait know the answer to all these as well as the rest of us. They have the police,state troopers,county sheriffs,ICE,FBI,CIA,Army Navy and Marines, and an extensive network of COINTELPRO agents such as yourself daily provoking us to make a statement that will have us classified as terrorists or enemy combatants. You are the least creative of any I have seen in a long while.
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john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 326 comments)
on Monday, March 17, 2008 at 1:29:54 PM
I accept your observation that I am not creative. My wife of thirty years reminds me of that far more frequently than you truthers. I can handle such criticism like a duck sheds water.
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James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 191 comments)
on Monday, March 17, 2008 at 9:47:25 PM
In a prior thread you stated "the truth movement is 51 cards short of a full deck."
So does the above apply to each of these Patriots who I've listed below Mr. Strait? These brilliant scholars are also questioning the "official" account of what happened on 911? Please tell us Mr. Strait, it should be quite interesting hearing more of your feckless blather.
Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD
“A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible,”With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col.Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.“There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,”continued Col. Bowman. “Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11?
Lt. Jeff Dahlstrom
“My research led me to a much more important and timely question: the mystery of what really did happen on 9/11. Everything that seemed real,turned out to be false. The US government and the news media, once again, were lying to the world about the real terrorists and the public murder of 2,972 innocents on 9/11.
Capt. Daniel Davis
Capt. Davis served for 15 years as a Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division and then devoted an additional 15 years as founder and CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., “As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech,high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.” “Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is difficult for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled ‘terrorists’. Attempts to obscure the facts by calling them a ‘Conspiracy Theory’ does not change the truth. It seems, ‘Something is rotten in the State’.”
Mr. Strait I've concluded that you are nothing more a shallow minded individual, and I feel sorry for you and your credulous ilk. I really do! Do you enjoy watching your country crumble? Do you? It is time you woke up!
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Munich (0 articles, 44 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 632 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 7:08:38 PM
On one hand you condem the government, and on the other you accept the testimony of what could be governmental agents of disinformation; a Lt. Colonel, a Lieutenant, and a Captain.
It seems that you are not particular from what ranks you cherry pick your experts. Any port in a storm of paranoia.
And by the way, that maneuver by the 757 was easily within the airplanes envelope. I know this for several reasons, but mainly because I saw it with my own eyes.
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James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 191 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 7:35:12 PM
LOL! You've made the most idiotic statements I've heard here
You should try to "think" a little bit about what you're saying; that way, maybe you wouldn't seem so foolish. Or better yet, try to find a sympathetic adult to look at what you're typing before you post it.
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Harold Smith (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 350 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 8:28:25 PM
What if all of the information originating from the host of Truth organizations actually came from video and story telling division of the CIA? What if half of the Truth posters on opednews are actually government agents of deception?
You are quick to endorse those that fuel your hate based agenda, but where is your proof of their authenticity?
Maybe you're not paranoid enough.
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James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 191 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 9:02:57 PM
What if all of the information originating from the host of Truth organizations actually came from video and story telling division of the CIA?
Ok, tell me, why would the CIA want to be involved in "911 Truth" in the first place? And to the extent the CIA would be involved, why would the CIA want to churn out anti-government propaganda?
What if half of the Truth posters on opednews are actually government agents of deception?
Ok, tell me, why would "government agents of deception" want to churn out anti-government propaganda?
You are quick to endorse those that fuel your hate based agenda,
ROTFL! So "911 Truth" is now tantamount to "hate"? And don't tell me, it's "anti-semitic" too, right?
You sound alot like "Roark Howard". In fact, you may actually be "Roark Howard".
but where is your proof of their authenticity?
Is there no end to your foolishness? How do you know your wife or girlfriend is telling you the truth? How do you know your lawyer is telling you the truth? How do you know your doctor is acting in your best interest when he puts you on some new kind of prescription drug?
Just like many other things in life, "authenticity" is often something you have to decide for yourself, based on your life's experiences, the facts as best you can ascertain them, communication with trusted friends and acquaintences, and, most importantly, the application of your own critical thinking skills. Most people are "deceived" not because of someone else's stories per se, but because they allow themselves to be deceived.
Most propaganda isn't intended to fool thoughtful people, but to give the moral cowards an excuse not to think.
Maybe you're not paranoid enough.
Maybe, but it's more likely that you're just another ignorant moral coward with another worthless opinion.
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Harold Smith (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 350 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 9:54:31 PM
The Truth issue is one that cuts deep emotionally. Emotion blinds objectivity. It is worth noting that the pivotal question concerning this article is avoided by emotional descents into either relentless presentations of suspect documentation proving a conspiracy, or, juvenile arguments that harken to school yard taunts of "my dad can beat up your dad."
Either way, no one seems capable of answering the question. I guess THAT is the "final answer."
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James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 191 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 9:30:06 PM
It is easy to become swept up on the chaos of something like the truth movement. It is emotional and promotes the acceptance of suspect data. The desire becomes one to only view the truth from a frame of reference that validates the emotionally skewed needs.
Simply, truthers cherry pick data to support their emotional contention that the US government is the single most evil entity to exist since Nazi Germany.
But it is very dangerous personal ground upon which to tread, because once you fall into that downward spiral of accepting suspect data from suspect sources, (evidence obtained from the internet all of which MUST be viewed with a very skeptical eye) climbing back out that slippery black hole requires great character and endurance.
Did I click the link? Yes, as a courtesy, but once I saw the source I simply guided my cursor to the little X in the upper right hand corner of my computer screen and dispatched suspect data back to whence it came...I am not immune to the truth, but it must come from unimpeachable sources, not internet creations.
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James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 191 comments)
on Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 10:28:32 PM
Mr. Strait< I don't hurl myself against the U.S. government in single combat for at least three reasons. The first is that it wouldn't do any good. The government continued to exist in majestic indifference after Timothy McVeigh blew up the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City. Second, it would be immoral to kill innocent people. McVeigh was seeking vengeance for the immolation of the Branch Davidians at Wacco but it is doubtfull that even one of the 168 people McVeigh murdered at Ohlahoma City in 1995 had anything to do with the seige of the Branch Davidian compound. Third, McVeigh's act of individual terrorism actually hurt the cause he was fighting for -- in McVeigh's case a right wing cause but the same results would have ensued if McVeigh's terrorism had been for a left wing cause. The government clamp down and the public revulsion that followed McVeigh's act made many right wingers afraid to do anything after Oklahoma City.
A government that would kill three thousand of its own citizens in a false flag operation is unlikely to cede power if it looses a majority vote. Still, in such an event, it would not be the majority of the people who will be trying to overthrow the government with force and violence. Rather it will be those who will be refusing to accept the decision of a majority vote by overthrowing the government with a military coup or by cancelling elections. The citizens who wll be fighting them will merely be acting on their right and duty to defend the government against an attempt to overthrow it.
And meanwhile, there are many legal things citizens can do to prepare themselves for a neo con coup. It is still legal for private citizens to own fire arms and learn how to use them. It is even legal to form gun clubs to practice target shooting.
But since Mr. Strait has said that anything on the Internet is unreliable, I am including in my reply an article, with additions from the hearing of the House Committee On Science, that I wrote about 9/11. As Mr. Strait will see, it cites sources that he can consult himself by going to any good library.
