This is important because many Americans in a position to be able to spread the truth or help to obtain justice will fight any effort which they think will destroy America.
Are 9/11 truth activists anarchists?
Well, I've been involved in the 9/11 truth movement for years, have spoken with many of the leading advocates for 9/11 truth, and have been involved enough in various groups and discussion boards to have a sense of the types of people who question 9/11. Based on that experience, I would say no.
Specifically, I would guess that no more than 1% of those who question 9/11 are anarchists. The overwhelming majority are conservatives, liberals, democrats, republicans, greens, libertarians, grandparents, teenagers, young parents, professionals, professors, students, scientists, engineers, lawyers, politicians, architects, and others who love America and want to fix the system and improve the system, not destroy it. I believe that other long-time 9/11 truth activists, such as Steve Watson and Paul Joseph Watson, have similar estimates.
Indeed, most people who question 9/11 believe that most "anarchists" within the movement are actually agents provocateur hired by the government to disrupt the movement.
Anarchy Doesn't Help
For those 9/11 truth advocates who promote anarchy because you sincerely believe it is better than any form of government, let me take a minute to respectfully address that idea.
Did you know that the same Founding Father who argued for periodic revolutions to keep the government honest also argued against tearing down something unless you have something better in mind to replace it? Its true. Thomas Jefferson, the most vocal advocate of the citizens' right to revolt to ensure honest government also cautioned against tearing something down unless it was for the express purpose of replacing it with something better.
Is Jefferson right?
Well, the law of entropy says things tend towards disorganization. It has taken billions of years for life to evolve from one-celled, to multi-celled, then on to plants, animals, smart monkeys, humans, then human society.
No one wants to tear down the state of organization so completely that we go back to monkeys (without the ability to talk), or one-celled critters . . . so the question is how much organization do we want to destroy?
Have you ever lived in the woods for a month with no backpack, no stove, no lighter, no high-tech sleeping bag? No, I didn't think so.
Do you want to live as a native american? Okay, but the native americans had survival skills, cultural traditions, and knowledge developed over many hundreds or thousands of years (especially counting knowledge gained before the migration from Asia to America), stored in the database of oral traditions. If you tear away all of that organization, you're going to be a lot more like this lonely guy than a native.
I could go on, but my basic point is that you need to think through how much organization you really are willing to give up before you go tearing everything down.
It is easy for a teenager to criticize his parents, but a lot harder to actually create a better adult life for himself. A teenager looks silly and immature when he criticizes everything his parents do without understanding the challenges he'll face as an adult. But a young person who rebels against his parents and then creates a better adult life is doing important and heroic work.
George WashingtonGeorge Washington is a pen name. I am using the pen name, with the approval of the publisher, because I have received death threats due to my 9/11 research and writing. I am using a pen name to protect myself and my family.
"A teenager looks silly and immature when he criticizes everything his parents do without understanding the challenges he'll face as an adult. But a young person who rebels against his parents and then creates a better adult life is doing important and heroic work."
The Truther teenager still has acne. I recommend the liberal application of Clearasil to remove those unsightly blemishes and give you visibly clearer skin - http://www.clearasil.com/ .
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Tom Murphy (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1339 comments)
on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 3:32:22 PM
I have re-written the first sentence of the essay, with a link, to give but one of many examples of defenders of the official story attacking 9/11 truth activists for being "anarchists".
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George Washington (61 articles, 17 quicklinks, 93 diaries, 157 comments)
on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 3:57:46 PM
Thank you for the link, but I still believe you're stretching the anarchist angle on this one. Anarchy: "a theoretical social state in which there is no governing person or body of persons, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)," - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy . I haven't seen such demands coming out of the Movement. In fact, it's probably the opposite in that a great majority of Truthers ply the waters of pseudo-science, which has an inherent structure.
I agree more so with the comment posted here in that Truthers are more alarmists but with an edge that borders (for some - probably the minority) on fanaticism (aka religious-like). Is this good? I think that'd depend upon your perspective. Is it bad? Not necessarily, but for people that reside along that edge, there is no such thing as compromise. That could be dangerous.
Are Truthers serving America's best interests? Well, if they're Americans citizens, then "yes" because every American has a right to criticize its government. But does the format of the Movement serve America's best interests? That's questionable. I think the collective "attitude" of the Movement has the appearance of arrogance - probably because of the aforementioned religious-like element. The attitude issue limits the penetration of the Movement's message into mainstream America.
Well, enough of my rambling. Oh, I think you may have been overly sensitive in that it was an analogy, not an insult. Perhaps, it was too subtle?
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Tom Murphy (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1339 comments)
on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 9:39:43 PM
GW... it may help to put both Karl Marx and Adam Smith in their historical context. To equate Stalin with "communism" is just as simplistic as comparing Hitler with "capitalism." The issue we grapple with today is an old one... the same problem the authors of the US Constitution attemped to solve... the relationship between the individual and the collective.
If, as you say, you wish to defend (or learn from) the ideals of "...others throughout history who have dreamed big," an objective look at Marx without being distracted by freepers and other poot-sniffers is in order.
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waldopaper (11 articles, 2 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 255 comments)
on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 5:36:03 PM
I'm Sure Soviet Citizens Who Challenged Official Lies Were C
I'm Sure Soviet Citizens Who Challenged Official Lies Were Called anarchists, etc.
When you live in a land of universal deceipt, telling the truth makes you a revolutionary.
When corporate media picks who gets to be in presidential debates, but then pretends we live in a democracy . . .
. . . when electronic machines steal elections from people who the polls show won the election . . . and the corporate media pretends that polls meant nothing . . .
When the world Italy, Denmark, Japan, and beyond have national media outlets now exposing that 9/11 was an inside job . . .
. . . and US corporate media pretends its not happening . . . then of course they will call names of anyone who says their king is naked and democracy is being looted by a corporate military industrial media complex.
NBC = GE = Largest weapons manufacturer in the world
CBS = Westinghouse = Largest weapons manufacturer in the world
Our nation's being looted for a military industry to act as security guards for oil companies looting oil from other nations . . .
In a state like this, anarchy is the ONLY thing that makes sense. I trust people much more than I trust pathological entities called corporations, or the corporate govt. they've purchased away from people.
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Bill Douglas (68 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments)
on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 5:43:12 PM
Nothing lasts forever. Things wear out. Ideas once held dear are superceded by newer ideas once we gather new, sometimes "more accurate," information. Without these truths "progress" would be impossible and we would all still be arboreal primates hopping about in the treetops. The world would still be flat. The sun would still rotate around the earth and diseases would still be caused by bad air. We would still burn witches at the stake for giving us the evil eye.
And we might still believe in "manifest destiny." We might still believe that a "sea to shining sea" continent-spanning nation-state which will be a "melting pot" has been designed by a benevolent God who looks down from his throne a heavenly abode and directed the Founding Fathers to create a shining "city on a hill" where happy campers enjoy liberty and justice for all. Yeah right!
That may have once been adequate fodder to keep the rabble in line but those days are OVER! Look around you. Greed and dishonesty among the ruling elites has turned everything to sewage - including whatever dreams you may have had for a better life for the kids... Get OVER it!
IT's time to move on and create a future which takes into account the facts on the ground. Yes yes, America MAY have once been "a melting pot... a scum formed on top while the people on the bottom got burned. Those days were over. If they were not dead before 9/11 - the events of that day were the proverbial "nail in the coffin" - After all didn't the White House tell us over and over "9/11 changed everything"? WHAT DID they mean after all? If "9/11 changed everything" the conclusion I have reached is the "USA" is Obsolete.
Chew on that.
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mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 294 comments)
on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 5:45:30 PM
Glenn Beck is a statist moron not to be taken seriously.
Although on second thought, since he does speak for our rulers, I suppose his rantings can be taken seriously in the sense that they're a useful marker of our rulers' desperation.
Certainly, as more and more people come to realize that 9/11 was an inside job, and accordingly realize that our rulers are nothing but mass-murdering monsters (look how many they've already murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan), the media branch of government (i.e., the Dept. of Official Truth) can be expected to take the lead in demonizing us "truthers" with ever more outrageous accusations.
Before it's over, they'll be calling for us to be arrested and thrown in prison, murdered, etc.
They're not building internment camps, consolidating power and trashing Constitutional protections for no reason...as I've said before, they know that we know that they know that we know, etc.
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Harold Smith (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 373 comments)
on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 6:01:42 PM
i don’t understand why people feel like they have to latch onto the “truth” bandwagon in order to be dissenters. if people would just drop that idiocy, left might be able to actually push the center - and that’s how the tipping point can be achieved. weighed down by chimeras, it ain’t ever going to happen.
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marc awodey (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 34 comments)
on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 1:13:43 AM
Throughout History, individuals who choose to disbelieve the ruling power's version/dogma/propaganda/koolaid are demonized, persecuted and killed. It wasn't so long ago that a certain "religion" with state power followed this crooked road by persecuting, hunting down and killing "heretics", calling it an "Inquisition".
Anarchists, heretics, truthers, useless eaters, choose a moniker...
Believing you have the "right" to disbelieve what the corporate state or state/religion tells you; has never qualified as anarchist -- it is only individualistic. It is a truth we hold as Americans and humans to be "self-evident".
When we as people give that right away to a power, we lose the right of self-determination. When we see and feel the heat of the type of labeling being described here -- it IS Time To Be An ALARMIST! In fact, it is a Duty of the Watchmen on the Walls to alert the population. Because Something Dark is surely following on the heels of authoritarian dictates and fear-mongering.
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boomerang (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 201 comments)
on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 7:20:16 PM
and the bathwater is radioactive. I am ready to throw it all out. (I've even stopped recycling.) This country was founded on and continues to be the world leader in GENOCIDE. Sorry not to share your hope that the political process will turn away from the dark side.
By the way, "That's no moon"
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Sha Llel (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 76 comments)
on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 1:11:47 PM
