The government has proposed something. It is called eugenics, which advocated forced sterilization. This movement went underground when the public protested and resurfaced under such benign names as population control, planned parenthood, and several others. Government control over breeding is not the answer to the perceived "population" problem.

by Barbara Peterson (73 articles, 109 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 541 comments [98 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 11:04:24 AM

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Dear Truth to Power:

Why would a seemingly rational reader jump to such hysterics as 'eugenics'?  What about rational thinking?  What about critical thinking? What about reasoned solutions instead of emotions?

 The US enjoys a stable 2.03 fertility rate for the average female; therefore, it's not Americans overloading this country. It's not Americans causing our population expansion.  So, what is it?

Simple fact: unending, unrelenting and massive legal and illegal immigration has become the 'silent assertion' of America's population dilemma.  It injects in  excess of two and upwards of three million people into this country annually.  If we don't stop it, we become victims of  it.  At the same time, we never solve  the problem for Mexico and other overloaded  countries.  Mexico  grew from 50 to 104 million in the last century. They will grow by another 200 million in this century.  Therefore, no amount of immigration solves their problem, but it accelerates ours.

What are the obvious and reasonable solutions?

 1. Ten year moratorium on all immigration into the USA. After  that, a maximum of 100,000 annually if that leads to a stable population. That will encourage overloaded countries to address their core birth rate problems in their countries. In other words, they will come to terms with their own overpopulation problems by necessity.

2. Family Planning and education to all countries that want to address their overpopulation at the individual level.  Help them succeed in their own countries.

3. Develop for USA "National Sustainable Population Policy" ; "National Carrying Capacity Policy" ; "National Environmental Impact Policy".  How many people can the USA hold and still enjoy a viable carrying capacity now and 100 years from now?

Read my forthcoming book for all the answers: "THE NEXT ADDED 100 MILLION AMERICANS"   Two chapters offer individual, national and international solutions. 

Either we  take action graciously on population stablization or nature will do the job brutally.  Eugenics will be the least of your concerns.

Frosty Wooldridge www.frostywooldridge.com

by Frosty Wooldridge (117 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 47 comments) on Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 11:35:10 AM

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Hi Frosty,

Thanks for the clarification. I believe that the population issue is one that the elites love to try and solve through forced programs of sterilization, wars, and starvation. Hence the reference to eugenics. Closing our borders might just help the U.S. reduce its population, but how does one convince people of other nations to decrease births when major religions teach that more children mean more blessings? In some third-world countries, if a woman cannot have children, she is worthless. This is a topic that puzzles me, quite frankly.

by Barbara Peterson (73 articles, 109 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 541 comments [98 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Jan 8, 2008 at 10:28:46 PM

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Great article but I'm simply one of choir. My new book, "The Biggest Lie Ever Believed" digs to the root of the population explosion in the U.S.

To cut to the quick, our entire economy is based on exponential growth in a finite world.

Even our entitlement programs are based on the same mathematically flawed premise. "There will be sustained growth to support tomorrows retiree's."

No politician has ever spoken for more than 5 minutes before promising growth, growth and then some more growth.

The U.S. failed to grow at a rate necessary to maintain status quo under our flawed economic system in about 1975. The accelerating deficit was simply put on the cuff, often referred to as the National Debt.

The condition continued to worsen even with 1.2 million legal immigrants. So what the heck, add 400,000 illegal immigrants to the mix, that ought to do it.

Now with 12,000,000 illegals cumulatively, the economy is failing and debt is mounting.

Thanks again for bringing this issue up.

by Mike Folkerth (120 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 566 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 12:16:48 PM

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we need to control our borders. We already have 13 million illegal immigrants here with hispanics passing blacks as the largest minority a few years ago. Hispanics tend to have much larger families than other groups and white populations are declining everywhere, not just in the USA, so this is one disaster in the making that you can't lay in the laps of Anglos. Blacks aren't even having as many children as they used to which is the reason why they got passed by the hispanics. Maybe it's because hispanics are Catholic for the most part and the church does not allow them to practice birth control, or maybe it is is something else, but if something isn't done to get rid of all these people it is going to end up destroying this country.

by Watching (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 313 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 12:27:54 PM

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Dear Frosty

Most of our poor immigrants come from Mexico and some other latin American countries. The reason why they come here is because they do not want to starve in their own countries. I suggest you criticize the rotten class system found in most of those latin American counries for their shabby disregard for the welfare of their poorest citizens.

by beelza bubb (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 11:19:17 AM

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THE FOUNDATIONS BETRAYAL, THE NAME FORD FOUNDATION, WITH ITS ASSETS OF OVER $11 BILLION, AS THE MOST RADICAL--WITH THE SOROS' OPEN SOCIEDY INSTITUTE NO. 2 AND TRYING HARDER. THE NATIONAL IMMIGRATION FORUM, (MALDEF) AND( LA RAZA) RECEIVED MORE THAN $3.25 MILLIOM FROM THE FORD FOUNDATION JUST SINCE 2005. AND THE ROCKAFELLER FOUNDATION IS ALSO DOING THE BIDING OF THE GLOBALIST TO KEEP OUR BORDERS OPEN. THERE ARE A FEW MORE 501 FOUNDATIONS WITH THE SAME GLOBAL AGENDA. THIS IS THE EVIL FROM WITH IN.

by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 2:19:44 AM

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IF YOU WANT to LEARN MORE (GOOGLE THE FORD FOUNDATION AND OPEN BORDERS).

by RICHARD SHADE (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 460 comments) on Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 2:24:17 AM

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Well when you have a good thing everyone wants a piece. As bad as we feel about our back sliding economy we are eons ahead of our southern neighbors. Hope still lives in this country but the corporations and globalization by the greedy are removing hope from the all the lands. Focus your energy at the source of the problem, a shrinking pool of natural resources helped by greed of the rich no matter what. Run oil thru the streams where people get their drinking water as Texaco did in Ecuador ,sell off the farms and let fields lie fallow as done in Mexico to make food prices higher. Kill the cattle in New Mexico so they can get a few barrels of oil. Squeeze the poor so they have no recourse but to run for their lives up north where hope still lives. The problem is not so much people as it is Greed.. Our poorest citizen at least have a chance to feed their families but that is fast declining. Homelessness and hunger is increasing at a phenomenal rate not because housing and food do not exist but because the working poor cannot afford it. The War should be against the Greedy not the poor. Robert Greenwald is working on it so maybe we should all try to get a handle on it by who we elect . Most politicains do not want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs but golden eggs only are good for those who have real eggs. I am voting for Edwards becasue he understands how the mercenary bastards think and he knows how to get them.  Most of us are starving on our success.

by cluelessfl (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 188 comments) on Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 1:02:28 PM

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Countries making birth control freely available is necessary these days.  From what I learned in a population and hunger class at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, California, way back in the late 70s was that populations have always overfilled their boundaries and then they break off and find a new world.  When an age goes from agricultural to industrial or the like, the people realize they do not need to have so many children for there to be somebody to help them in their old age.  Our social structure improves as we get farther from an agriculture based economy and we help each other with less reliance on family alone.  As societies social structures fail, the population falls back on family rather than society to help the elderly and infirm once again just as in agricultural based countries.  Mexico is just rising out of an agricultural economy into more of an industrial type economy but the population stills goes exponentially bursting out of its seems and into other countries, the US being closest with the most available jobs.  The Mexican elite (1%ers) who could put a social structure in place are too greedy to care for other humans.  So, the overpopulation comes to the US.  There are no new worlds to overpopulated anymore.  We have found all the land on this planet.  Now we just need to find the hearts of the greedy elitists.  It is not about race, but about birth control to save all of our DNA of any color.   Religious leaders trying to dominate the world with their religion through encouraging their followers to have litters of children rather than one or two are as cruel to humanity as the 1%ers.  We need to love the Spirit and love humanity by not having more than one or two children and by helping the elderly and keeping the social structures in place so that humans do not feel the need to have litters of children and they will not need to expand into other countries with their population problems.

by ljs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 55 comments) on Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 1:10:12 PM

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Frosty,

I must admit that when Barbara spoke of eugenics I must admit I thought “Oh dear another victim of right wing hysteria, where the absence of white automatically means black”. But I do agree with her point the plans listed will not solve the problem. 

Then again I was disappointed by the shallowness/ limited nature of your analysis too. I can only assume that given the space of a book your analysis less be less inclined to be so superficial existing as it does on the limited points of your essay and assertion.

First point…The row boat argument.  If I keep everyone off my end of the boat we’ll be ok.  With Global Climate Change (GCC) it will matter little where that 1.2 million you refer are.

Context. In the late 60’s I belonged to a party that had as its platform an eventual policy to encourage ZPG (zero Population Growth) It was estimated then with current technology the world could support 3 Billion give or take.Opponents then argued that technology would accommodate at least twice that. In Dr Tim Flannery  book ‘ The Future Eaters 2004’ he pointed out that we are already close to the point where technology cant pick up the slack lack of water arable land, waste et sec.

He did focus on the problem as a world one. He like me is less than sanguine about Corporate (anywhere) to allow technology to go where it’s needed.Global Climate Change will affect us all regardless of where we are.

The second Contentious point you seem to be making is “We’re alright Jack” a concept from the 50’s UK. This simply means we’re ok and to hell with you.  To illustrate this the failures of this point let me invent a ‘wet back’ machine which automatically dematerializes all ‘illegals’ and instantly transports them back from whence they came then hermetically sealed the borders.

What do you think would happen to American society as it is? I and others would postulate at least a dramatic change and at worst, chaos.

 Whole industries/ cities and even some states would be reduced to bedlam. Who would harvest? Who would process your food in barns and factories? Who would clean your hospitals? Your hotels motels tourists won’t say in dirty ones? Who would build your buildings? While it is true that some industries might find American workers but at what pay? And who will pick up the slack.

The truth is that these illegals do the jobs Americans don’t want. The USA culture has and survives because of its ‘financial slavery’ not despite it ( while in LA a waitress told me that she got $2 ph (off the books) for 12 hr shift ($24 + tips) Compare that with ($160 +tips in Aus for the same time) . Without them prices would go up as would demand for wages ….inflation the Fed  executives would be swan diving off the top of the building (we..ell if others can be colourful why not me?) because there would be nothing they could do…Talk to an economist and he/she will explain how that there isn’t enough slack in the system to sustain this action. By taking them out incrementally as you suggest the problem would simply move slower. it's still there.

Your analysis misses why these people come to the US these people are desperate.  I won't go into the moral issues or the causes of their desperation and how it's largely the US's fault over 2 centuries. But You need to add this to your polemic.

I acknowledge your moratorium but this will create greater pressure at home and when added to GCC without policies to keep these people at home all I can say is Good luck at sealing the borders. In truth your essay lacks a practical solution for the excesses of home grown babies and consumption (another integral issue). Add to that the corporate dominance of the country that without growth Capitalism as it is in the US could not operate…..I wonder at the possible consequences of that.      Your turn

by Andris (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 531 comments) on Tuesday, Jan 1, 2008 at 2:27:59 AM

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