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June 26, 2007 at 11:04:25

Do You Really Want To Live Under Religious Fundamentalist Control? Errrr, Um...No!

by Dennis Diehl

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I'm not so sure I'd enjoy being ruled by the fundamentalist Christians I know. They just know that they, the true true saints, will rule the world under Jesus Christ. This makes me nervous and I'm not so sure it will be source of my never ending joy realized when Jesus returns to rule us all with a "rod of iron." Somehow the use of seminars, luncheons and field trips never seems to dawn on Jesus or God as a way to better teach us poor ignorant slobs. But not to worry, I think the Rod of Iron thing is made up by the men who love to rule with such things. In becoming as little children, you'd think rods of iron would be prohibited as an acceptable way to solve problems and teach truth. I guess my common sense is not the common sense God and Jesus experience according to my fundamentalist friends.

First of all, the Clergy I know, don't get along very well among themselves. The screamers among them seem to compete for the recognition and preeminence and the rules they believe they will enforce upon all mankind within their reach are down right depressing and frightening. Worse yet, they don't seem to be able to agree on which rules are rules, which are suggestions and which are done away with. I do know they tend to want to be in charge and not just work for the Lord in lower positions.

There will be no dancin' or card playin'. No hair longer than that of the 1950's and no dresses shorter than ankle high. They will be made mostly of boring colors and put you in mind of your grandma. You'll be forced, because it's the rule, to go to Bible studies on Wednesday nights and church EVERY Sunday. You'll agree that Jesus really was born on Christmas and really died on Easter for all the appropriate reasons. You will be baptised by immersion or sprinkled depending. You're repentance will be heartfelt and genuine and you will become perfect like God is, or else of course. In fact you'll agree with what you are told to agree with even if you don't. If you don't, you will keep that very very quiet. However a local pastor says that God knows our thoughts, so that will be a challenge. I just know he's gonna tell!

As far as entertainment is concerned, you will love Andy Griffith and hate American Idol. Chris Sligh, outstanding singer and all around good guy, on American Idol, and Bob Jones University drop out, will be executed unless he rejoins the choir. Bob Jones is very disappointed in Chris for misusing his talents and spending time with the enemy. Any feelings that the kind of religious control he experienced is creepy or confining will be purged from his deceived mind, should he survive. Movies will be strictly monitored and you will learn to love "The Sound of Music"and "Oklahoma" as you never thought you could, or else. Stores will close on the appointed days and times and only sell the appropriate Christian things. I imagine only Christians will be allowed to even own or run a store. Oh yeah, the non-believers will be dead.

Concerning science, well, hold on to your hats. Evolution, which is literally true, will be banned and creationism and the Fall of Man because of woman in the Garden of Eden, which is not literally true, will replace it. Science will be ever so much more easily understood. Phrases like "Quantum physics tells us," or "human consciousness studies inform us that," will be replaced by "God says." In fact, every finding of archaeology, paleontology, astronomy and every other "onomyies"and "tologies" will be replaced with "God says." A degree in science won't take long at all and the answers will become so much easier to come up with on the test.

Clergy will replace politicians and giving to the State will be regulated by Old Testament laws on tithing and many other such things you won't believe how happy they will make you. It will be to one's advantage to become a Priest of the Most High if you ever expect to accumulate any real material wealth. The Ten Commandments will be suspended long enough to steal the unbelievers blind, rape their wives, enslave their children and kill those who can't see the light as it is revealed to them. If you should find yourself in any kind of conflict over why you have to be so compliant and believe the unbelievable, this is why Jesus has his very own rod of iron. He will convince you that you need to adjust your attitude and you will do so nicely and with sincerity. After you learn anatomy by seeing eyes and tongues dissolve in the appropriately "God is Love" way, you'll feel more inclined to obey and be happy.

Now we can all hope the above nightmare scenario in the hands of Christian Fundamentalists will never come to pass. However, we have ample Old Testament predictions that Jewish fundamentalism will prevail in a very similar way. The above mentioned pastors will be forced to give up Sunday for Sabbath, Easter for Passover and Christmas for the Feast of Tabernacles. Boy are they gonna be surprised! I mean, this is what it says in the book they love to use to tell us all just how happy we will be when Jesus returns and restores all things his and God's way. A common phrase to be heard by these Pastors will be "hmmmmmmmm, no one 'splained it to me that way before."

Let's take a quick look at how happy we will be when the Messiah comes from the Jewish perspective, and how deep our joy must be, or else.

Zechariah 14: (1-2) Jerusalem under siege from the nations.

"Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, and your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; the city shall be taken, the houses rifled, and the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, but the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city."

See, I told ya the Ten Commandments would be suspended for the greater good!

(12-15) Enemies are forever plagued.

"And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths. It shall come to pass in that day that a great panic from the Lord will be among them. Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor, and raise his hand against his neighbor’s hand; Judah also will fight at Jerusalem. And the wealth of all the surrounding nations shall be gathered together: Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance. Such also shall be the plague on the horse and the mule, on the camel and the donkey, and on all the cattle that will be in those camps. So shall this plague be."

See, I told ya you could still have lots of good stuff if you were the chosen ones and you'd learn anatomy in new and interesting ways!

(16-19) All the nations come to Jerusalem to worship the Lord.

"And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."

See, I told ya have to give up the pagan Christian holidays and absolutely fall in love with the Jewish Holydays, or else.

(20-21) The common is made holy.

"In that day “Holiness to the Lord” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts."

See, I told ya Church was going to be a lot different and you better not be one of the not so special ones!

Doesn't being under enforced, for your own good, religious rule sound fun? No! Won't we be ever so much more happy and fulfilled? No! Actually, I sincerely hope this is not what "and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free," really means. Freedom under religious opinions,  rule and control is truly frightening and depressing.

 

 

Dennis Diehl is a former pastor of 26 years,  who outgrew the Literalism of Fundamentalism.  He writes about Pastoral and Church abuse and is available to speak on such topics or be helpful to any church suffering under abusive religion or pastors. 

 

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Emperor_ZurgZurg The Great
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Wow. You really do hate God...

But at least you are honest in your hatred of God, and not like some of the false pastors who remain among the members of the Body of Christ (that is, the fellowship of believers in Christ) who creep around unawares to sew in their false doctrines and heresies.

However, you should calm down and relax a bit. The average born-again Christian simply wants to worship at the feet of Christ, not "take over the government and institute a theocracy".

 

Perhaps there are those who are a bit more zealous, but young in the Lord, who speak ahead of God's word or His Holy Spirit ... or some who cling to false teachings (like "Dominion Theology")...

 ... but most of us are quite content to do the one thing Jesus commanded us to do: preach the gospel, make disciples, and teach them to observe all the teachings of Jesus - until He returns.

 

As for that rod of iron thing - I reckon that if King Jesus reigns at the Millennium, then He will probably keep His word, and rule with such a rod. As a pastor who had studied such things, you would know that even the Millennial Reign is not the final perfect time with a new heavens and new earth, but the very last time where men and women will have to get to know Jesus as thier Saviour and King -- without the Devil prowling about to hinder them.

But, it also bears repeating that if you read your Bible, you'll find that in this present age, Christians are not called to rule and reign, but to serve and share the gospel.

I pray that you will repent, and find your way in Christ again.

by Emperor_Zurg (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 at 1:42:35 PM
 


I live in Ohio, born in 1947 and I am retired.I like baseball(Go Tribe) and F1.I am a liberal and a socialist.I am a follower of the Living Church of God.My music goes from DooWop to geezer rock to classical and opera.I still have a beta-max and a 8track player.
Willard RussellI live in Ohio, born in 1947 and I am retired.I like baseball(Go Tribe) and F1.I am a liberal and a socialist.I am a follower of the Living Church of God.My music goes from DooWop to geezer rock to classical and opera.I still have a beta-max and a 8track player.

Oh those fundis

Well I don't believe in evolution and I don't believe that the Church had any authority to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. That is not the purpose of my post.

You show me someone who believes they are doing the work of God, any God.

I will show you someone who is willing to commit the most vile atrocities.

by Willard Russell (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 41 comments) on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 8:00:57 AM
 


Don'pigeon hole me or sterotype me
pratliff94Don'pigeon hole me or sterotype me

I am no fighing fundy, but this hatred reminds me of them.

I ask you to look at my church and me. I grew up as an illegitimate child in the Applachian Moutains of eastern Kentucky. I lived with whomever would put with me: my grandmother in KY, my mother in Maryland, my aunt in NY, my aunt in Oklahoma. I ran away from home between the eighth and ninth grade from Baltimore to Oklahoma City. I happen by an accident to go out for track in the ninth grade and was one of the top milers in the state. I started drinking in the eighth grade and was full blown alcoholic by the time I was twenty. On July 4, 1960 I attempted to take my own life; thirteen days later I was caught outside in one of these Oklahoma storms. I stepped inside a church for the first time in my life just to get out of the storm. I heard a song the congregation sang, "Just As I Am;" I bowed my head and told God if He could make something of this crazy mixed up mess I call my life, then I give it to Him.

I have not had a drink of alcohol in forty-seven years this coming July 17; one year later I felt God calling me into the ministry. I headed off to the most expensive University in the state; I graduated four years later with a BA in History and English as majors and a minor in Philosophy. I received my Masters of Divinity from the largest Christian seminary in the world. I received my MA from North Texas State University in History. I have been the senior pastor in seven different churches for forty-five years.

My church is in the poorer parts of Norman, Oklahoma. We had no youth in this church of just old people when I came here in September 1994 after a major heart attack which cost me seventeen days in ICU. We just graduated our third youth group. I count last years and the year before as one youth group. Of sixteen kids we graduated year before last, I have never seen ten of their parents in church; eleven of those students are in college today and still in church, one was Valedictrian of Norman North High School, another was a National Merit Scholar (.5 %) of the highest grades on ACT test in the nation. Last year we graduated ten students. I have never seen seven of their parents in church; one was Valedictorian of Noble High School and a National Merit Scholar; another one was a National Merit Scholar, also, who came to the US from India when she was four years old; she has a full ride to Rice University and is doing student intern in research at M.D. Anderson Medical Center this summer; all ten of those kids are in college.

Each week we feed about ten families with about one hundred and fifty dollars worth of groceries from our Second Commandment Minisrtry Pantry (the second part of the Great Commandment is "as you would have your neighbor do to unto you, do unto them").

In the last six months, we have helped four single moms pay rent, and help pay utilities. These moms were running for their lives from violent husbands. I wished I could tell you about Sabrina with three kids, or Linda with three kids or Jen with one kid, or Shannon with two kids. We have done this every year I have been here as Pastor of this small low income church.

I am sixty-seven years old with a heart that has suffered five bypasses and three heat attacks. I have insurance, but my wife who is eight years younger than me is on insulin and is uninsurable. I pay for my own house, my own car, my own utilities, have no retirement and would not change places with anyone in the world. I make less than fourty thousand dollars a year and my wife makes less than twenty in order to be my church secretary.

I feel sorry for you. You seem to have such deep hatred and bitterness; of course the bitterness comes from hatred which comes from an unforgiving spirit. If you do get that bitterness reconciled, it will end up defilin you and everyone you love. I am sorry you hate God and Christianity and Ministers, but what you say is terribly false.

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 940 comments) on Thursday, June 28, 2007 at 12:04:44 AM
 


Don'pigeon hole me or sterotype me
pratliff94Don'pigeon hole me or sterotype me

My above comment was meant for WDRussell

Dennis,

My comment was not meant toward your aritcle. I disgree with much you say in the article as you well know, but I agree with your title completely.

One of the things that has made this a great country and one of the reasons the church has prospered so well in the United States for two hundred years has been a solid wall separating the two.

When the Church meddles in the State it destroys both the religion and the State; and when the State controls relgion, it destroys both the state and the religion.

My denomination was hijacked by the fundies in 1979. The leader of the hijacking is now the President of Seminary from which I graduated. I dislike what my the new leaders in my denomination are doing so much I find it very hard to tell someone where I received my Masters of Divinity.

What I like to live in a country controlled by any religion? Absolutely not.  Think of the Dark Ages controlled by the Roman Catholic Church, New England controlled by the Puritans, Russia controlled by the Russian Orthodox Church, Saudi Arabia controlled by radical Islam, or Iran controlled by radical Islam, or Hamas controlled by radical Islam, or the Taliban controlled by radical Islam. I had rather be dead. Give me liberty or give me death.

The shame of it is that Iraq was one of the few secular governments in the Arab world. We have left it open now for only the Lord knows what by destroying Saddam Hussein.  

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 940 comments) on Thursday, June 28, 2007 at 12:20:28 AM
 

 

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