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January 23, 2008 at 19:58:21

Headlined on 1/23/08:
Nadler Is Blocking Impeachment

by David Swanson     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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A private off-the-record meeting was held on Capitol Hill on Wednesday that included House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, Subcommittee on the Constitution Chairman Jerrold Nadler, Judiciary Committee Member and advocate for opening Cheney impeachment hearings Robert Wexler, and several other committee members, activists, staffers, and former staffers from the Watergate days. I wasn't there, so I'm free to talk about what happened.

Wexler proposed opening impeachment hearings on Cheney. Conyers committee staffer Perry Appelbaum laid out instead a schedule for non-impeachment hearings over the coming 11 months. Conyers' notion is to hold non-impeachment hearings on "the imperial presidency" and run out the clock. I guess that would be sort of like a dozen police officers paying a non-arresting visit to the home of a mass murderer. Seriously? An "imperial" president, and you don't impeach him, and you don't retire or commit suicide? This baffles me.


Now, there are topics that have not been touched in congressional investigations over the past 12 months, such as the Iraq war lies. But a lot of the other topics have already been gone over, just absent the I word. What will differentiate the new non-impeachment hearings from the past year's worth of non-impeachment hearings? Of course, getting witnesses to show up and testify would be a change, but without impeachment, nothing will compel any witnesses to testify who have previously refused.

One of the big topics this group wants to go after is the firing of U.S. Attorneys, and - contrary to the position expressed today by the Democratic leadership - this group was in agreement that Congress should vote on contempt citations for Harriet Miers and Josh Bolten. But, even understanding that nothing was going to budge on that any time soon, most of the Congress Members present still refused to back Wexler's proposal.

The chief opponent of impeachment hearings was not Conyers. It was Nadler. Nadler argued strongly against any use of the I word. He argued that Congress should focus on passing bills, even though they will be vetoed, and then pass them again next year.

Arguing for keeping open the possibility of impeachment hearings developing out of the non-impeachment hearings was Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson. Daniel Ellsberg was also among those backing impeachment hearings.

Conyers and some subgroup plan to take their proposal for non-impeachment imperial abuse hearings to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to request her blessing. She is, of course, most likely to share Nadler's position. She may have given Nadler his position, or perhaps it originated with Hillary Clinton, but it sounds most likely that Nadler has simply been speaking for himself: he honestly opposes impeachment hearings, even for emperors.

Nadler's constituents have been among the most dedicated activists, many of them repeatedly sitting in at his office for impeachment and going to jail. One group has just set up a website solely to allow people all over the country to Email Nadler on this issue: http://asknadler2impeach.org

Nadler chairs the most relevant subcommittee and could open Cheney impeachment hearings in that subcommittee tomorrow if he chose to do so. The full House voted to send articles of impeachment on Cheney to the Judiciary Committee last November.

Wednesday's meeting was handicapped, of course, because no-one says aloud what the reasons are for opposing impeachment. That Cheney and Bush have committed impeachable offenses is universally understood. But the arguments against impeaching them (other priorities, bipartisanship, we don't have the votes, etc.) usually sound like lame cover for whatever the real reason is. I suspect the real reason is built into Nadler's plan of wasting a year in order to pass bills next year. He assumes that in 2009 there will be either a better Congress or a better president (he backs Hillary Clinton), or both.

Sadly, history says otherwise. For 230 years, the party that brings impeachment wins, and the party that fails to do so when it's called for loses. Conyers was there when the Democrats moved to impeach Nixon and then won big. He was there when they refused to impeach Reagan and then lost. And most of the current committee was there when the Republicans impeached Clinton against the will of the public for a non-impeachable offense and still won both houses of Congress and the White House.

When the Democrats held back from impeachment during Iran Contra, they lost the next elections. When the Democrats led the effort to investigate and impeach Nixon, they won big in the next election, even though Ford was running as an incumbent. When the Republicans tried to impeach Truman, they got what they wanted out of the Supreme Court and then won the next elections. Articles of impeachment have been filed against 10 presidents, usually by Republicans, and usually with electoral success following. When the Republicans impeached Clinton, impeachment was actually unpopular with the public. Even so, the Republicans lost far fewer seats than is the norm for a majority party at that point in its tenure. Two years later, they lost seats in the Senate, which had acquitted, but maintained their strength in the House, with representatives who had led the impeachment charge winning big.

Parties that seek to impeach are not punished at the next election. In fact, they frequently improve their position -- as evidenced by the Democrats in 1974, Republicans in 1952, and all the way back to the Whigs of last century. In every election back to 1842 where House members of an opposition party to a sitting president have -- as a whole or a significant caucus within the party -- proposed impeachment of the president, that opposition party retained or improved its position in the House at the following election. There is no instance of voters responding to a significant impeachment effort by sweeping its advocates out of office. In fact, history points in a different direction, suggesting that voters frequently reward parties for taking the Constitution and the rule of law seriously.

And we wouldn't wait until the next election to reward members of Congress who put impeachment back in the Constitution. The minute Pelosi or Conyers or Nadler opens the door to impeachment hearings, every activist organization in this country and around the world that works on behalf of peace or justice or the rule of law will flood them with flowers, donations, volunteers, and support.

And if Fox News says one word, we will shut it down.

 

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DAVID SWANSON is a co-founder of After Downing Street, a writer and activist, and the Washington Director of Democrats.com. He is a board member of Progressive Democrats of America, and serves on the Executive Council of the Washington-Baltimore Newspaper Guild, TNG-CWA. He has worked as a newspaper reporter and as a communications director, with jobs including Press Secretary for Dennis Kucinich's 2004 presidential campaign, Media Coordinator for the International Labor Communications Association, and three years as Communications Coordinator for ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. Swanson obtained a Master's degree in philosophy from the University of Virginia in 1997.

 

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Josh Mitteldorf was educated to be an astrophysicist, and has branched out from there to mathematical modeling in a variety of areas. He has taught mathematics, statistics, and physics at several universities. He is an avid amateur pianist, and father of two adopted Chinese girls. This year, his affiliation is with the University of Arizona, where he studies the evolution of aging.
Josh MitteldorfJosh Mitteldorf was educated to be an astrophysicist, and has branched out from there to mathematical modeling in a variety of areas. He has taught mathematics, statistics, and physics at several universities. He is an avid amateur pianist, and father of two adopted Chinese girls. This year, his affiliation is with the University of Arizona, where he studies the evolution of aging.

pros and cons of impeachment

Two comments:

1) In comparing impeachment hearings with other hearings that are less specific, there is an important point to be considered: The Executive will certainly continue to stonewall subpoenas and requests for discovery, claiming executive privilege. The inquiry is not likely to reveal anything new. BUT executive privilege does not apply in impeachment hearings. click here

2) It's true that the Republicans gained house seats and the presidency in 2000, following their ill-founded impeachment hearings in the previous term. However, the 2000 Presidential election was "won" against the will of the majority only by extraordinary political and legal machinations, and it may be that distortions of the Congressional vote count - election theft - was already a factor in the 2000 election. (Evidence for election theft in 2002 and subsequent years has been well-documented.)

-Josh Mitteldorf

 

by Josh Mitteldorf (15 articles, 41 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 27 comments) on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 10:22:16 PM
 


I have a BSc in Computer And Information Science, enjoy riding my little Ninja motorcycle and running a few miles in the park. I volunteer with an animal rescue agency. I'm fiercely independent, stubborn and have decided to spare any woman the trouble of dealing with me long term by remaining a committed single person. More to come later, barring unforeseen circumstances.
all ownersI have a BSc in Computer And Information Science, enjoy riding my little Ninja motorcycle and running a few miles in the park. I volunteer with an animal rescue agency. I'm fiercely independent, stubborn and have decided to spare any woman the trouble of dealing with me long term by remaining a committed single person. More to come later, barring unforeseen circumstances.

Totally Unacceptable

It is unacceptable for Nadler, Conyers, Pelosi, Reid and others to practice congressional masturbation while our nation and the world continue to burn. There is another war on the agenda, one which will make the current one seem like a cakewalk by comparison. Whether the U.S. or Israel strikes, the result will be the same.

Bolton: Israel May Have to Strike Iran Soon

[ http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125007 ]

Russia: "Attack on Iran will be viewed by Moscow as attack on Russia."
[ http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IJ26Ak06.html ]

Russia: "Moscow is ready to use force, including pre-emptively and with nuclear weapons, to defend itself."
[ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7198181.stm ]

by all owners (1 articles, 56 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 140 comments) on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 10:36:46 PM
 


retired and loving it
dave stanleyretired and loving it

Nadler Is Blocking Impeachment"

AMericans you are the  dumbest beasts of burden

 not impeach

but

crimes against humanity war crimes  

these guys  got the democrats to  pass the bill that  in effect protects them

no more voting for democrats or republicans

If I see a republican or a democrat in office this coming election America is a race of inbred imbeciles

 

by dave stanley (5 articles, 1 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 286 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 2:16:04 AM
 


USAF 1986 - 1991Disabled VetMensa Member 1992
RLAnchorsUSAF 1986 - 1991Disabled VetMensa Member 1992

War crimes

The only Dem to mention War Crimes is Kucinich and so far he's been blocked by NBC, ABC, CNN, CBS from being able to debate and get his message heard nationaly.

It deosn't matter if he can/cannot win it's a matter of keeping him from reaching Americans with the proclamation of impeachment.

by RLAnchors (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 39 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 11:42:50 AM
 


My passion comes from being a victim who has suffered the consequenses of others who have cut and run. It's taught me to learn about a bit of the law, and to stand up for my beliefs, and more than anything to believe that there is good out there, no matter how bad things truly are.
Bruce DeloneyMy passion comes from being a victim who has suffered the consequenses of others who have cut and run. It's taught me to learn about a bit of the law, and to stand up for my beliefs, and more than anything to believe that there is good out there, no matter how bad things truly are.

Cheney

Ok, everyone time to join hands here as AMERICANS her is what we need to do send an e-mail to this address, and get everyone you know to do it send it to your state rep and senaters also. They are trying to stop this by tommorow before they go on vacation. Pounds them with e-mail. Start here with Nancy Pellosi

 AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov.

We cant let him get away with this.

 

Bruce

by Bruce Deloney (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 21 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 6:39:52 AM
 


Maher Osseiran is a freelance investigative journalist and geopolitical analyst specializing in the Middle East. Maher uses his engineering and scientific research background as primary tools in his investigative work. His life experiences and intimate knowledge of the Middle East and its culture has allowed him to write very accurate analysis ahead of many mainstream media outlets. His articles can be read on www.mydemocracy.net
Maher OsseiranMaher Osseiran is a freelance investigative journalist and geopolitical analyst specializing in the Middle East. Maher uses his engineering and scientific research background as primary tools in his investigative work. His life experiences and intimate knowledge of the Middle East and its culture has allowed him to write very accurate analysis ahead of many mainstream media outlets. His articles can be read on www.mydemocracy.net

Maybe Nadler is Right!

Hello David, you might not read my emails but you will probably read this.

There are tons of fakes in congress and what is better than fakes recognizing each other.

The impeachment effort supported by Wexler and Kucinich is fake and I think Nadler recognizes it; Conyers, Pelosi, and the rest of the Democratic leadership are transparently fake.

It is very likely that Nadler, behind the scenes, is working on something that would gather bipartisan support that would be stronger than impeachment; at one time, you were asked to support that effort, fell asleep at the wheel, and later blushed in front of a couple hundreds to a color purple for doing so.

It might not be late for you, or Jaron Bourke who said: "oh, this is not going to work for us"; I guess they would rather be talkers than doers and pussy foot while kids are dying.

Anyway, apologies for those readers who don't know what I am talking about.

You may go to www.mydemocracy.net and read "The Crime Behind The Criminal Wars!", a crime that is apolitical and the one that should be, not a reason for impeachment, but the more effective treason trials.



David, give Lachmann a call.

by Maher Osseiran (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 6:47:59 AM
 


Professor Nan Fandel teaches communications in Iowa. She is also a journalist who has been an op-ed columnist for the Iowa City Press-Citizen newspaper. Also a poet and a Jellaludin Rumi scholar, Professor Fandel lectures throughout the world on the words, teachings, and life of this 13th-century Sufi mystic poet, who today is among the most popular poets. She has co-authored a book in honor of Rumi titled Mystery Box, which will be available in mid-2008.Professor Fandel's goal as a teacher and ...

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Professor FandelProfessor Nan Fandel teaches communications in Iowa. She is also a journalist who has been an op-ed columnist for the Iowa City Press-Citizen newspaper. Also a poet and a Jellaludin Rumi scholar, Professor Fandel lectures throughout the world on the words, teachings, and life of this 13th-century Sufi mystic poet, who today is among the most popular poets. She has co-authored a book in honor of Rumi titled Mystery Box, which will be available in mid-2008.Professor Fandel's goal as a teacher and ...

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HOW TO END THE BUSH/CHENEY GENOCIDE

I certainly have felt that the right road is to indict, arrest, and try the Bush/Cheney administration in the World court AFTER they leave office. Theirs is a moral genocide as well as a literal genocide of all that is human and just in this world, of all that is safe and free. I will be among the first to work with the strongest activist group to get these people tried AND convicted as private citizens for the crimes they committed while in office, AFTER they leave office.

In the meantime, if one more bill to fund an illegal war is presented or passed by this US Congress, I will continue to work hard to hold those who voted for the bill(s) complicit in the "Bush/Cheney Genocide."

No more!

Impeachment may be "an easy out" for them, although I have fought long and hard for it. Perhaps we should think and act like the leopard who sits hidden in the bushes until its prey is close enough, fooled enough into a complacency of trust, and snap into action in a World court that means something. I would like to believe that this is what our US Congress is doing, but I have little real faith in that. But...you may be right.

In the end, my lifelong quest will be to hold these people accountable for the murder of our democracy, the devastation of world citizens, and the decimation of the planet.

http://inyourworld.blogstream.com

Nan

by Professor Fandel (4 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 34 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 1:21:49 PM
 


Freelance photographer and writer living in Maine.
Stephen DemetriouFreelance photographer and writer living in Maine.

Ralph Nader weighed in awhile back

Rep. John Olver, according to a pretty credible report by Ralph Nader, said he doesn't support impeachment because it is his belief if the democrats move on impeachment, Bush et al will attack Iran, declare a state of emergency, impose marshal law, and call off elections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIO-tCPSfHA

by Stephen Demetriou (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 163 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 7:13:28 AM
 


Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."
John Sanchez Jr.Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."

If this is true,

If true that Bush and company threatened aggressive war and the declaration of martial law should impeachment proceedings be initiated, then that is a very clear, incontrovertible example of TREASON!

by John Sanchez Jr. (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 833 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 8:24:21 AM
 


Professor Nan Fandel teaches communications in Iowa. She is also a journalist who has been an op-ed columnist for the Iowa City Press-Citizen newspaper. Also a poet and a Jellaludin Rumi scholar, Professor Fandel lectures throughout the world on the words, teachings, and life of this 13th-century Sufi mystic poet, who today is among the most popular poets. She has co-authored a book in honor of Rumi titled Mystery Box, which will be available in mid-2008.Professor Fandel's goal as a teacher and ...

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Professor FandelProfessor Nan Fandel teaches communications in Iowa. She is also a journalist who has been an op-ed columnist for the Iowa City Press-Citizen newspaper. Also a poet and a Jellaludin Rumi scholar, Professor Fandel lectures throughout the world on the words, teachings, and life of this 13th-century Sufi mystic poet, who today is among the most popular poets. She has co-authored a book in honor of Rumi titled Mystery Box, which will be available in mid-2008.Professor Fandel's goal as a teacher and ...

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TREASON WILL WORK

Indeed, you are correct. Treason is FAR more possible and effective than impeachment. Hell, we impeached Clinton over lying about his actions and he remained president!

Treason is already possible since we are fighting an undeclared, illegal war, and the administration is in contempt of Congress...we must get these beasts. It's not about vengence; it's about what's behind the curtain--our future is in the hands of the magic controls of fear-mongering propaganda at this point, and we are losing it to this crazy smoke and mirrors mentality that we've bought into.

What happened to the generation who helped stop the Vietnam war and topple Nixon? Where did we go? I'm here. I'm fighting. But who's sold out for the big bucks? And how long will those big bucks last?

I'm much happier being a poor but thoughtful professor of communications who's unafraid of breaking our youth's hearts with the truth than a multi-gazillionaire living of the blood money of the Bush empire (including Daddy Bush).

Nan

http://youtube.com/theyareguilty

 

by Professor Fandel (4 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 34 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 4:01:55 PM
 


American against War and Violence. Writer, English Teacher, Inventor, Creator of the First Manmade Floating Farm On The Ocean.... My companies name is ACET: Algae Charcoal Ethanol Technicorp. We grow Algae for Oil.
Dom JermanoAmerican against War and Violence. Writer, English Teacher, Inventor, Creator of the First Manmade Floating Farm On The Ocean.... My companies name is ACET: Algae Charcoal Ethanol Technicorp. We grow Algae for Oil.

Here is New Approach to This Impeachment Debate

I have another idea on this David, and it is the historical documentation of an American track record in history showing and proving the crimes committed by those past administrations. In fact it appears as a succession of character to the Oval Office. If you are not a Liar you can't be President, is the real cut out and pattern coming and going American Presidents are left to digest and believe and become when they take the oath of office.

Are Americans to accept this? Not a chance. If we can go on a campaign in educating the Public about past administrations who got away with murder and lying it can be effective in moving the people to only elect officials who will support impeachment. In fact there should be a way that past administrations can still be prosecuted and impeached for their sinful record. The fact they are not around to defend themselves would be the ever mounting need for present day incumbants to stand the test of Impeachment on their watch.

In fact it should be the honest integrity of all sitting Presidents to ask for Impeachment to make sure they are up and up and being honest with the people. I know if I was President I would want Impeachment to roll forward at any moment, that is even if I didn't break the law, because I did things in the open and believed they are up to par with the Law and Constitution. But, Bush even calling the Constitution a God Damn Piece of Paper, and blantly breaks the law; he certainly does not entertain the idea that if he did something wrong then bring it on! Am I right? He doesn't want to hear the Impeachment word.

Past Presidents should be held before Congress as being impeachable because olden days are more known to be corrupt and bad. People were able to get away with more bad things, but that does not mean Present Day Scholars should let them slide. I really think if we can't get these Congress People to support Impeachment of Bush, then we can at least get them to support a new bill that would allow Congress to view the record of past administrations and level Impeachment convictions to the records that there be.  This way administrations will think long and hard about their actions, knowing that they will have no control of their records after the fact. If they blow it, they will eventually carry that with them as IMPEACHED throughout time.  We could use this as a bargaining chip. They would have to agree, because the record of Past Presidents is so tarnished with guilt it makes you gag.

So make it a choice, Impeach for today, or lets get the impeachments of the past cleaned up and put to bed. Here in my article it shows the lies of all the Presidents from Truman to Today.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_dom_jerm_071221_impeachment_phobia_o.htm

Scott is blocking Impeachment:

http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=2891

I wrote a letter to Congressman Scott and to all the people on the Judiciary Committee. He is the only one to answer so far. But he never really said whether he supports it or not. I wrote back asking for his yea or ney and he has not responded. Given the above link, it is clear Scott is obstructiing justice and he will be noted as such as one of the participating members who failed the people as all other prior administrations have done.

Here's his letter to me.

January 14, 2008

 

Mr. Dominic Jermano

2400 Washington Ave.

Newport News, VA 23607-4301

 

Dear Mr. Jermano:

Thank you for your letter expressing your support for the impeachment of President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. I appreciate you apprising me of your views on this issue.

Please be assured that I will keep your views in mind as this issue comes before me. Please feel free to contact me in the future on other issues which may be of concern to you.

Very truly yours,

 

 

Some quotes by Scott:

Today, education is perhaps the most important function of state and local governments.
Bobby Scott

......Ikster: I say we educate them to why Scott failed to Protect the Constitution, failed to learn about Past Criminal Administrations, and would not support Impeachment to protect the rule of law.

We can continue our progress as a Nation toward the promise that all people are created equal and that our Nation will treat every person in that spirit.
Bobby Scott ........

.....Ikster: Funny how Scott thinks Bush is somehow exempt from this by being allowed to break the law. And Let's hear Scott say that to people in Iraq, or new Iraq people who have come to America, after their kids, and family members were mowed down, and murdered.

While there are many obstacles that deter students from going to college, finances by no means should be the deciding factor.
Bobby Scott
......Ikster says: Nice comment Bobby, now how about explaining to those kids who don't have an education and do good things in life, and tell them about people who have high levels of education graduated from Top Universities, and hold positions of leadership are able to break the law and get away with it. Is that why we go to school, learn to break the law and get away it? Does that sound like we want to go to school? Not me thanks!

The more to life reason they don't impeach Bush is because he was able to get rid of Saddam.  They say would it better if Saddam is still in power today or not? Clearly they believe they are right.  But I say though it may seem better for the Iraqi people, Israel, and even Iran, and the USA, there is a big looming problem you can't make disappear. And that problem is in the way you got rid of him. Bush & company clearly broke the law, tortures, the phoney trial of Saddam, the slaughter of innocent children, grandparents, mothers, and fathers.

It is so terrible that some people were probably just protecting their families and the USA just murdered them, labeling them as Bathists or terrorists. Although we can find trenches of people Saddam killed, we can also find even more people that America slaughtered as well. And America didn't count bodies or try to identify who they were. At least Saddam knew who he was killing. This is the trouble that will not go away from Bush and Cheney, So if any one gives you that argument that is it better without Saddam or not......just tell them to hang their heads in shame and think about what I have said. 

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 934 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 7:35:03 AM
 


SW Texas ultra-liberal
john riggsSW Texas ultra-liberal

I dont buy any of the Dimos excuses

They will continue to fiddle around as the new Rome burns. The bag men will make the rounds and distibute a portion of that missing Pentagon money to the criminal congress, and those who have been a hard sell might get the pictures of themselves with prostitutes as a little souvenir from the SS, sorry from the CIA. Our youth will continue fighting the wars of the mini-state in Iran or Pakistan. Theres just a few little problems. We dont have the manpower, the industry or the funds to fight a world war right now. All the steel, computers and many other items needed to wage war are being built in China, and even if they were to sell to us being at war with us we dont have the cash. The neo-con sabotage of this nation will continue until the economy is wrecked and only scorched earth remains of what was a great nation. This is all destruction by design and the congress is playing right along with the script. The neo-cons have promised a hundred year war in the ME, I dont think we can last that long.

by john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 331 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 7:37:14 AM
 


Professor Nan Fandel teaches communications in Iowa. She is also a journalist who has been an op-ed columnist for the Iowa City Press-Citizen newspaper. Also a poet and a Jellaludin Rumi scholar, Professor Fandel lectures throughout the world on the words, teachings, and life of this 13th-century Sufi mystic poet, who today is among the most popular poets. She has co-authored a book in honor of Rumi titled Mystery Box, which will be available in mid-2008.Professor Fandel's goal as a teacher and ...

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Professor FandelProfessor Nan Fandel teaches communications in Iowa. She is also a journalist who has been an op-ed columnist for the Iowa City Press-Citizen newspaper. Also a poet and a Jellaludin Rumi scholar, Professor Fandel lectures throughout the world on the words, teachings, and life of this 13th-century Sufi mystic poet, who today is among the most popular poets. She has co-authored a book in honor of Rumi titled Mystery Box, which will be available in mid-2008.Professor Fandel's goal as a teacher and ...

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EXACTLY MY POINT!!

Read my response to you earlier, Maher. I totally agree and have for more than two years.

Wait...try them in the World court where they certainly will be found to be among the worst of criminals.

It's what I call "pulling a Milosevic."

Nan

http://inyourworld.blogstream.com

 

by Professor Fandel (4 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 34 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 1:27:11 PM
 


Having lived six decades now, I've had a lot of experiences! Grew up in a family often oppressed because of our faith - we stood for peace and against war, and for the rights of all regardless of ethnic background. Active from youth in peace and civil rights. Vietnam-era draft resister. Worked for a while for peace and social justice groups, and then became a civil servant. Felt a call to a consistent life ethic, and am currently serving as President of Consistent Life. All this is out of Chr...

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Crimes

The idea to document the crimes is on target.  This could be done through "non-impleachment hearings" and if what was laid out there roused public sentiment enough, then there could be a serious move to impeachment.

In reality, it does not look to me like Nadler is blocking impeachment.  He is blocking a critical step in the impeachment process.  This is not the same thing because it does not appear that impeachment would occur if the process was started.

And the argument that legislation is more important than impeachment has a lot of validity, IMHO.  Impeachment takes over everything.  And it takes time, and we are less than a year until these folks are out of office anyway.

Past experience doesn't necessarily indicate how the public would react this time.  My guess is that much of the public would regard it as partisan bickering.

by Bill Samuel (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 181 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 8:51:52 AM
 


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ladybroadoakVirginia Simson is a spiritual journalista/activist who runs a visionary planetary tutorial blogspot, www.ladybroadoak.blogspot.com as well as a blog on the uranium industry and depleted uranium at www.lowlevelradiation.blogspot.com. She feels that we must educate the young as to the real issues of the day - economics, clean energy, a drug free lifestyle, friendship and concern for the environment. We must plan for seven generations in the future. She unconditionally supports impeachment and...

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People ARE documenting the war crimes


We would like to have the subpoenas come down with the weight impeachment would give them.

Many of us are studying this day and night and working away on all kinds of constituencies. I go on raw story, tpm muckraker ICH and all over the place and just tell people now they can do something and that this IS about war crimes.

I built an impeachment/war crimes swicki anyone can use!!

I live in Canada and blast away at them night and day about their war crimes and have begun to post more regularly about that here on OpEd News.

I think the US is so preoccupied with itself IT CANNOT HEAR WHAT I AM SAYING .. link with other people in the world, now, before it really is too late.

Other nations understand the human rights and war crimes vernacular but no effort to reach them with a petition or anything. I did that, I asked for help and no one was willing to help. So I just soldier on - right now I am attracting many young people from the middle east on digg. They should know we are really trying.

I wrote an article here .. on the kickoff of the peition - it's the very best I can do right now, but NOTHING LIKE IT EXISTS.

I understand that if people don't sign on to stop Bush and Cheney (as architects of an illegal war and guilty of multiple war crimes) then the US IS indeed open to attack - and it really is time that the American impeachment understood and conveyed properly how frightening to the rest of the world this actually is.

www.thepeitionsite/petition/735250776

impeach.to.end.war.crimes@gmail.com

It IS a start and I do wish that American activists would get involved.

What is there to lose? the other ways haven't worked! We need the entire international community screaming out at the same time to push the US media to act - even the Sibel Edmonds story is having REAL problems, but al l over the world the story IS winding its way around, I know I have an alert on all the time and WATCH to see. The one on impeachment (H Res 333) really isn't picking up all that much ..

 

My real complaint with the impeachment movement is it tends to try the same old, same old which hasn't work (the politize the Stoopid congress approach .. bashing away or explaining to people that CONgress IS at fault) , the rest of the world does NOT understand why they are left out.

Impeachment could get some heavy indictments for things like breaking the Presidential Records Act - but the war crimes tribunal approach requires we GET THESE SUBPOENAS.  Can't tell me that Conyers does not know that by now.  Wexler is SURE to know .. he's a lawyer from Georgetown.

If you want some action and some press, help me out if you will. It coud really put on the pressure.

 

 

Virginia

by ladybroadoak (37 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 386 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 9:53:32 AM
 


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SleeperUnion Construction Electrician for the past 21 years. Former United States Marine 1982 - 1986 who participated in the Multinational Peacekeeping Force sent to Beirut, Lebanon back in 1983.

Impeachment is essential

This is my personal opinion on impeachment.  It is essential or else we are inviting a future attack on our Constitution by the same forces. 

Duty to Impeach

 

We only had to experience this one because of the previous lack of action against Nixon.  His pardon offers the evidence that no Executive will ever be held accountable.  We must hold them accountable and we must also demonstrate the will that any pardon will also have a price that that executive will be paid for by the executive responsible. 

My Congressman recently jumped on board by calling for impeachment of Cheney:

 

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/sites/afterdowningstreet.org/files/michaudimpeach.pdf

It is our government.  The Shadow government must be drawn out into the light and exposed for the vampires that they truly are. 

Semper Fidelis

 

by Sleeper (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 264 comments) on Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 10:43:45 AM
 


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shirley reeseI am a college graduate, a loyal partiot of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, a person whose convictions and pessimism drive my thought invoking others to think, and enjoy some politcal debate. I like truth even if it doesn't set you "free" in this US of A any longer. I do a bit of painting mostly in Acrylic. I do a bit of poetry writng mostly inspired by tragic thought. I do a ton of reading, mostly online. I am crippled, a female and AOL monitors my emails closely. I speak straightforwardly...

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Impeachment vs. Treason

I find "Maher's" enlightened prospective remarkable. The treason case is most certainly where impeachment should lead; therefore, cut through the chase and get on with the Bushgate. 935 LIES or "untruths" if you wish to sugarcoat the word, "lie". Any deception, in my opinion, is "DISHONEST".

I've been digging into details within the constitution and the Founders wishes and guidance, and I have notion to believe that Hillary being President, might well fall under the conditions of "Title of Nobility".

I am a pessimist and I am quite skeptical and not easily gulled. I have supported impeachment, but Treason is what those 935 Lies impose on Mister Bush, Mister Cheney and all the Executive members that continue to champion this war and this "terror" that reigns on a people, not us, but continues to tell us that we are threatened, when indeed the real terrorist Government is and has been the israeli, which indeed, does not represent the true Je