Incredible..!

Conyers also knows that the Bush administration "fixed" the vote in 2004, Ohio..he wrote a book about it !! And he still thinks there are not good enough grounds for impeachment..Fox might give him a bad review? What about the people who elected him thinking he would do his job..? He doesn't care what we think?...its time to get rid of every incumbent holding office, the crooks and their enablers...my God, Bush is one step away from a total dictorial Executive Order and Conyers is only concerned with how FOX network will bad-mouth him..?

by Susan Nelsen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 252 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 11:43:09 AM
 

What Government For the People?

If one needed anymore proof that this government no longer represents the people but rather those elements in business that profit from the continued death and destruction of endless war than one need look no further than Conyers.

Conyers was suppose to be our champion. And he most likely started out with all the best intentions. When he wasn't in a position to actually do anything to stop the abuses of an administration gone wild he talked big but could do little. Now that he is in a position to follow through on actually seeking justice he's turned into just another corporate whore.

What happened along the way John? What personal interests were compromised to make you sell your oath of office and the country down the death-spiraling cesspool you now expound? Was it worth it? With a majority of the public behind you, with the mounting evidence of abuse and crimes committed and with the continued aggressive attacks on our rights from a president that acts as though his approval rating in 75% instead of the other way around Conyers acts the coward. Why Mister Conyers? Why?

Note to the Peace Movement: No one in this government is going to save us. It's the government that is the problem. They're not the solution. The elections are rigged. The politicians are bought and sold. Our Constitution is indeed now nothing but a God-damned piece of paper. And there is nothing outside of over-throwing this current government and replacing it with one that will always hold the individual citizen over any and all corporate interests.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1254 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 11:55:00 AM
 

Conyers' statements make me sick

If Conyers’ biggest worries are what Fox News does and what his legacy might be we are all in deep shit.  He was elected to Congress and now holds an important position supposedly to represent the will of the people not to cover his political ass and worry what is thought of him after he retires or gets his dumb ass thrown out of Congress. Makes one wonder how many of the Republican’s fat cat supporters are making large donations to his campaign fund and pulling his strings.  He sure as hell isn’t worried about what you or I think.

by walley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 109 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 12:03:34 PM
 

Another thoulght

Could it be that Conyers is planning to switch parties and run for president as a Republican in 2012 and doesn’t want to make to many waves?

by walley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 109 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 12:31:18 PM
 

listen to the message

We all can admire  Mr.Swanson and despise Mr. Conyers. But he ( Mr. Conyers) did deliver the message and that message  is simple: he needs a backing of a powerful network. If one of the networks ( at least one) supports his efforts openly- he will go for it.   That was the message. Use it.

by Mark Sashine (46 articles, 19 quicklinks, 235 diaries, 3359 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 12:08:57 PM
 

What's important

Even if Conyers and others could be pressured into doing their jobs against their will, it is unlikely that they would prosecute an impeachment with any degree of passion or integrity.  So it's important to put a parallel effort into finding candidates to replace current office holders in every district of the United States.  We need to find individual citizens who have the courage, wisdom and consciousness to work on behalf of the public good and not be tied to corporate or party interests.  The revolution should begin with removing party members from power and resplacing them with responsible citizens who are in and of themselves guardians of freedom.

http://www.gpln.com

by Mark A. Goldman (80 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 242 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 2:56:41 PM
 

We the People Have the Tools

We already have the tools we need. Here they are.

Part 1. The Bush administration has refused to appear before Congress to answer questions in a legitimate congressional investigation.
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U.S. Code TITLE 18 - PART I -  CHAPTER 73 -- 1505    

1505. Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

Whoever, with intent to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance, in whole or in part, with any civil investigative demand duly and properly made under the Antitrust Civil Process Act, willfully withholds, misrepresents, removes from any place, conceals, covers up, destroys, mutilates, alters, or by other means falsifies any documentary material, answers to written interrogatories, or oral testimony, which is the subject of such demand; or attempts to do so or solicits another to do so; or

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

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Part 2. Every person in Congress knows the Bush administration has refused to appear - and therefore MUST BY LAW ACT (see below) or be guilty of Misprision of felony


UNITED STATES CODE - TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, PART I – CRIMES, CHAPTER 1 - GENERAL PROVISIONS

Sec. 4. Misprision of felony

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

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I suggest contacting every member of Congress in person or via FAX to inform them that they have 24 hours to comply in one of the following ways:

a. ACT in accordance with the LAW:  UNITED STATES CODE - TITLE 18 - PART I – Sec. 4. Misprision of felony

b. Surrender to law enforcement for indictment on charges of Misprision of Felony

c. BE subjected to immediate CITIZENS ARREST for  Misprision of Felony the minute they appear in public

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When government fears the The People - that's democracy.
When The People fear the government - that's tyranny!

by mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 296 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 3:26:40 PM
 

Another tool

They are all more than likely to be guilty under this section of the code

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2382

§ 2382. Misprision of Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

by walley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 109 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 4:30:49 PM
 

Looks like a good tool but

how (or by whom) would it be used in practice? Who executes it? That's the problem.

More and more I am convinced that a sort of organising, coordinating, intelligence is needed in the impeachment movement, a sort of intelligence like Ghandi or Martin Luther King had, and showed, the impeachment movement just can't get enough traction without being better organised.

Civil disobedience, small acts by many, aimed at getting arrested and deliberately being a nuisance in the interests of a genuine higher cause can grab the political agenda. Civil disobedience is better than violence and better than doing nothing.

by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 21 diaries, 961 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 4:45:13 PM
 

Agreement

I totally agree that only through civil disobedience can anything be done. But look at the paucity of coverage that corporate news has given the protests that have already occurred. I am quite sure that if they would give these protests the same coverage that they did the Million Man March or Hands Across America thousands more would become active in descent.  The administration is not our only enemy; corporate news is their leading ally.

We do need a strong and forceful leader but none have come forward. Cindy has done her best but with the slanted news coverage of her efforts most think that she is a publicity-seeking bitch who glorifies in the public attention.  It is not hard to believe that whomever might come forward would get the same treatment. It looks to me that it would be a losing battle.

The message that Conyers made quite clear in having Cindy and the others arrested is that he and others on Capitol Hill are scared out of their minds that there might be an uprising among the populace that will force them to do what they have been elected to do.  Throw anyone in jail that has the audacity to confront him on any issue that he would rather not deal with.  Nip it in the bud before things get worse.

The laws are in place to get Congress off their dead ends and do what is needed.  If I knew how to get them applied I would do it in a heartbeat.  Somewhere in this great nation there must be a legal mind that is willing come forward and tell us all what we can do.

by walley (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 109 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 6:17:32 PM
 

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I've always counted on John Conyers

and I still do. If any of you have read John Hersey's book The Algiers Affair, you would have some idea where he's coming from. Or if you have read Taylor Branch's trilogy on the King Years, you know the strife which included the Detroit race riots 40 years ago. And, most likely, all agree that the rape of two presidential elections is hard on a man who has toiled long and hard for justice.

I don't pretend to know what is going on in Congressman Conyers' head, but it would take a lot to convince me that he is not acting in what he considers the best interests of our country. A man, who sat in borrowed rooms five years ago to highlight the downingstreetmemo and waited for Tom DeLay to evaporate, had a long time to think of how to present an impeachment project.

It's tricky to ask a woman who is in line of presidential succession to lay impeachment resolutions on the table. I can talk about the importance of Mr. Swanson, because I've relied on his information. Maybe going to jail, along with his fellow advocates, is resounding endorsement of what so many of us are waiting for.

Impeachment is done by the people. This morning my exercise was interrupted by a thunderstorm. We were chased out of the pool, and I sat in the locker room with a lady who is a friend of Congressman Jimmy Duncan (2nd Dist. TN). She had been discussing sport scores when I mentioned that I'm spending four hours a day on the Impeachment Question. It's the kind of neighborly conversation which I foresee coming across the land.

So, my hat's off to John Conyers and to all who have stood by him.

by Margaret Bassett (21 articles, 1359 quicklinks, 28 diaries, 816 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 4:02:06 PM
 

Frankly there isn't much choice

if Conyers can't be counted on - the legal avenues to impeachment are closed off.

Watching events from Australia, I am not sure that there is the necessary organisation in the impeachment movement for it to be as politically effective as it needs to be.

Perhaps to much energy is going into preaching to the converted and not enough energy is going into identifying the impediments to having more representatives sign on to HR333.  Perhaps Conyers is not wrong to suggest that there should be more of a focus (from the activists) on the politics (building the public support for impeachment) and less on targetting the justice machinery.

Against that view though the house and senate judiciary committees have to be able to produce more evidence of wrongdoing.

by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 21 diaries, 961 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 4:23:02 PM
 

Corporations with conscious?

It does make one wonder just what is being held over the heads of these policy makers. Sibel Edmonds information has been thoroughly squashed and silenced and no-one being held accountable for treasonous activities she says she is fully aware of. . .  Must be some scary stuff for the majority of these policy makers to be so petrified that they move as if in stone.

Question:

Could possibly there be corporate powers out there that have a conscious that can reach past the "all mighty dollar" (which is less and less mighty everyday with countries now deciding to park their investment cash in currencies that are not the U.S. Dollar). 

If Time magazine made "YOU" (us) the people of the year and this administration says it is "YOU" (us) that is causing all the grief by not blindly following His visions... Is there a hidden message here??  Can it truly be that "YOU" (us) DO have the power to change our collective situation? (Notice the word Power as opposed to Force) 

ALL Corporations have HUMAN influence. I find it very difficult to believe that ALL of them are stung by the prick of poly-tics (poly = many; tics = blood sucking insects).  

A campaign to identify and encourage those corporations who have not been sucked dry by these tics?

A campaign to identify the corporations that are blocking the honest access to our representatives consciousness? 

Is it REALLY all about who has the money? Is money some illusion of power that we've all bought into? Do we need to come up with ideas of thinking outside the standard size box we've been stuffed into?  

It sounds like a major undertaking.. but if our individual efforts are being swatted away like annoying flies. . .

The Executive Order of 7/17/07 (if you haven't read it.. DO!) exposes the assets to seizure without prior notice any who question the goings on in Iraq  ... so far it hasn't been directed that those who question the goings on in this country (U.S.) are exposed in the same way. Time is of the essence.

Naive?? Possibly.  Hopeful?? Still. (though that wanes on occasion).

by M. Yeager (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 9 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 6:12:38 PM
 

I agree with everyone here

I think the problems for Congressional Democrats are manifold. First, I think that the Republicans impeached Clinton in part for what they thought would be political advantage. Also, they hoped it would “taint” the whole process of impeachment, which they hate. I think it did taint the idea of impeachment in many people’s minds. Impeachment would just be "tit for tat".

Then there is the beholdeness of all politicians to lobbyists and corporate donors. That makes almost every move difficult, at best.

Also, Conyers is right, the corporate media will tear him to shreds. The Clinton impeachment was great, but a Bush impeachment is crazy.

Grass-roots impeachments (unlike the orchestrated, top-down impeachment of Clinton) need to reach a public boiling point. John Conyers is feeling that hot water, and we need to turn up the heat to cook the Bush administration’s goose.

by John R Moffett (80 articles, 14 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 601 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 7:06:29 PM
 

Conyers Is Not the Savior People Wish Him to be

David,

Thank you and everyone with you who stood up for the American people at that protest.

My major concern with your article was when it was stated: "What was Conyers' objection to moving forward on impeachment now? Well, he said, if he were to do that Fox News would go after him and accuse him of being partisan. I kid you not. The Democratic Chairman of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee is basing his decisions on whether a Republican cable TV station would approve. As Cindy Sheehan told me outside the jail last night: "If I based my decisions on Fox, I would never do anything."

Conyers has went on record in the last two days stating that he only needs 3 more supporters for impeachment to start the process.

I supported Conyers when he was in the minority. You remember when He and attorney John Bonifaz held Impeachment hearings in the basement because the Republican party wouldn't give them a room?

You remember the book 'What Went Wrong In Ohio'? The Conyers Report? He suckered me into buying his book.

What have I seen from him thus far?

When he was in the minority he had huge cojenes. Talking the talk.

What do the American people see from him now that he's in the majority?

He's all talk and no walk, tiny, tiny cojenes.

Thank you David and your group for being the patriots that you are.

Troubled Texan

by TroubledTexan (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 89 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 8:49:01 PM
 

Conyers is a Politician! What do you Expect?

You know, we can't afford to turn Conyers into an enemy. He, like all politicians, likes to tap dance, so don't act so surprised! Now we have to bring him back into the dance chorus, so some diplomacy is in order.

by Mac McKinney (42 articles, 62 quicklinks, 146 diaries, 984 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 11:10:04 PM
 

I am not endorsing these views...

but in the interest of seeing what some others are saying I'm posting a link to Portside, of an emailing sent out: "Responses to the Attacks on John Conyers"

And no, I do not think that dissatisfaction with Conyers is based on racism, nor do I think Cindy running for Congress is folly. But people should know a circular firing squad is forming up again. I guess 'keeping the eye on the prize' is harder than it used to be.

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 998 comments) on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 11:13:50 PM
 

fear

Never have so many been so afraid of so few.  Such a dissapointment. 

by davy (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 241 comments) on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 2:41:17 AM
 

What stops impeachment now?

It's the numbers. You can't do anything in Congress if there isn't enough support. How do you get support? You get the voters to push their representatives. How do you get more voters to contact their representatives? You inform more people of the facts. That is not easy with the media against you but it is what you have to do.

What is the most powerful fact you can circulate among the voters? It is the truth about 9/11. There is no doubt explosives were used to bring down all three buildings. If al Qaeda did it they couldn't have done it without inside help. The American public was tricked into invading Afghanistan as well as Iraq.

For proof click here and see other articles in http://journalof911studies.com/

by gravity32 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 151 comments) on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 5:01:01 AM
 

Humpty Dumpty

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Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.

Our elected Representatives don’t seem concerned about Bush’s lawless rampage, and they definitely aren’t interested in attempting to check his endless empowerment of himself at the expense of our "balance of powers" or Humpty Dumpty constitution, but don’t worry, they’ve got rock solid plans to win the next election . . . forget Impeachment though.

The Problem is: "All the King’s horses and All the King’s men, couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again."

It sure appears that Humpty has been dumped.

The Presidential order gives the administration the power to freeze assets of any person or entity considered to be "undermining" efforts to stabilize Iraq.

Tuesday 17 July 2007

Americans have been deluged with Bush’s Executive Orders, but this one is truly ominous. How many Americans remember that Hitler stripped Jews of their wealth, property and means of making a living before he began exterminating them? Republicans seem to be following the Nazi blueprint to impose a fascist dictatorship.

The astonishing thing about Bush’s many Executive Orders, is that they are ignored by the Monopoly Media and Democrats. None of his "Signing Statements" or "Executive Orders" have been discussed or explained by anyone. Most of these "Signing Statements" and "Executive Orders" are so disingenuous, complicated and convoluted, it takes a Chinese Lawyer to decypher what they mean.

Who will finally decide the "Decider" has decided way beyond what was his to decide?

by rabblerowzer (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 227 comments) on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 6:09:33 AM
 

Panurg

I agree completely with your comment. Many of these comments just do not or refuse to realize how politics works. We chase Conyers from our camp, to whom do we turn to be our voice in Washington?

by pratliff94 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 948 comments) on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 7:41:36 AM