http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=6189

in which I explain what form of objective analysis should be used as a plausible framework for the 9/11 investigation.

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4101 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:40:30 PM

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Good work Bill, stay on top of this and spread this info all you can. This whole web of lies will unravel yet.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 113 quicklinks, 240 diaries, 1413 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:59:32 PM

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It should say "David Ray Griffin Says FBI Says Barbara Olsen Did Not Call Ted." 

Let's try to be accurate. 

by Roark Howard (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 350 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:12:32 PM

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Post the FBI report that shows she did, if you have a problem with the headline.  Griffin's research is impeccable.

by Bill Douglas (69 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:21:33 PM

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That's not quite fair, Sir. I believe it is a fundamental principle that the one who makes an assertion bears the burden of proof.

by Spartacus Jones (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:35:12 AM

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Sparticus,

YOU say the burden of proof lies on the asserter. Cool, haven't a problem with that at all.

Now please supply us with PROOF OBL was the architect behind Sept 11.

After all, the US Govt did promise the World they had such proof and we would be seeing it.

Six years down the track and we still haven't seen diddly of it, and on top of that,the FBI do NOT have a warrant for OBL in that regard.

Where is you burden of proof now, buddy ?

Typical US hyperbole, one rule for you, and another for the rest of us.

by Eddy Schmid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 234 comments [17 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:57:53 AM

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BUt did they get any DNA from anyone unfortunate enough to have been on any of those aircraft? It would seem to me that there wouldnt be anything whatever left of anyone who suffered that fate.

Does anyone know the facts of this matter? I am not a conspiracy theorist, I do not believe that those craft were robot controlled, or that the Towers were destroyed by some science fiction like secret weapon, or anything other than nineteen crazies hijacked three aircraft and everyone died.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:13:26 PM

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Ardee, if you believe there would not be much left, does not the "evidence" of a complete paper Passport of one of the alleged hijackers seem "fishy"?

by boomerang (0 articles, 7 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 556 comments [215 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:08:35 PM

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Ardee, the problem is the only official story defender, Popular Mechanics, went on the Charles Goyette national radio program months ago and LIED, saying that they knew of DNA from the terrorists survived the building collapses.

It was a lie. There was no DNA as they tried to fool us into believing there was.

by Bill Douglas (69 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:17:46 PM

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Ardee, If the phone call never happened, its absolutely incriminating. (I’m responding to your “whatever” comment.) Ted Olson said Barbara called him on her cell phone, more than once I believe. That is one simple element whom everyone can sympathize with and especially because so many had seen her often on the nightly news shows. It played on everyone's emotions which is a standard propagandistic ploy to draw everyone ever so further -- with their emotions -- into their web of myth, i.e., the Official Story.
When it was proven that the cell phone call would have been an impossibility in 2001, Ted Olson changed his story and said she called from a seatback phone. When he was told that American Airline' 757s did not have seatback phones, he had to change his story back to the impossibility -- saying again it was a cellphone call. Now everybody can see Ted Olson is front and center to the myth of the Official Story -- Ted Olson is a lier. And, more importantly, it is one more proof that 9/11 has been just one big lie; 9/11 was a false flag operation. And, this lie is so straightforward, it ought to be impossible to spin. AND, he lied to everyone right after American Flight 77 “crashed into the Pentagon.” His lie, like the entire lie of course, was planned before 9/11. This isn’t part of the lie they tried to cook up much later. Now, will the media cover this? I’d be surprised as they have hardly covered a damn thing worth covering about 9/11.

by David Watts (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 284 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 8:01:35 PM

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I think most are missing the crux of this issue, and it's NOT whether the husband is a liar or not, the REAL issue is;

WHY DID HE FIND THE NEED TO LIE IN THE FIRST PLACE ?

Clearly, this guy knows far more about sept 11 then he's letting on, and the US populace are letting him get away with it.

To my knowledge, no one's has yet questioned him nor focused on this point. IMHO, long overdue.

by Eddy Schmid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 234 comments [17 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:05:02 AM

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Yes, well, don't embarrass yourself further.  Your public admission of what you "don't believe," no longer leaves people breathless with wonder.  There is too much information available, and too many people like yourself who, with arms folded akimbo, are proud of their ignorance.

Hey, that's okay; but it must be lonely at the bottom. 

by Moss David Posner, M.D. (7 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 43 comments) on Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:10:49 AM

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There are just way too many hinky and unexplainable circumstances to the government's 911 'story'.  Congress willingly ignored and excluded much evidence during their investigation, much like the BS story that was dreamed up after the Kennedy assinations.  (Why were three CIA operatives in the room when Robert Kennedy was killed?)  Indeed why are there so many questions that refuse to be answered.  Personally, I would argue with anyone who feels we live in a free country.  (Relatively free is not at all the same thing) Make enough noise and 'something happens' to you.

Veteran '66-68

by Roger (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 465 comments [22 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:30:14 PM

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The FBI has also admitted that it has no hard evidence connecting formerCIA asset Tim Osman aka Usama Bin Laden to the events either.  Some investigative reporters have pegged Ted Olsen as Bush Crime Family Bagman.  If this is true, and she did not die on 911, maybe someone should question this guy.  BTW isnt he the guy that argued on behalf of Bush in front of the Supreme Court in the 2000 election debacle.

There are many instances  in the photographic record of audio and video evidence including eyewitness testimony of explosions preceding the collapses of the World Trade Center towers and WTC 7 was inarguably a controlled demolition.  Amerericans can believe their own eyes or believe these criminal that have been running our government.  Take a step outside of America and this is all common knowledge.  Short of WWIII and martial law, ie a Bush dictatorship, sooner or later the truth will out.  Many people will still not believe it though, even as they watch our leaders dragged off in chains.

by Heath Widdowson (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 20 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:48:02 PM

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In an undisclosed Dick Cheney location?  That a lot to give up for false gods and country.  Does Ted take a lot of overseas trips?  Maybe she's in the witness protection program.

I'm not being snide, it's just that it raises a lot of questions.

Hell, I'm still trying to remember how and why we think bin Laden was behind 9/11.

There's a lot of mysterious crap surrounding that day, and until we get some real answers there will always be questions and theories.

And Bill, you had some interesting things to say.  I'm going to have a headache for a week trying to read black printed on dark blue.  Please try not to do that.

Thanks,

Sandy

by Sandy Sand (198 articles, 0 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 1548 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:47:32 PM

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Hi, could you get rid of the blue & repost your comment?  It's very hard to read.  Thanks  Meanjean

by Jean Bush (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:15:23 PM

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did not work from airplanes.

by Susan Guest (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 91 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:14:21 PM

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Take a look at this excellent piece. This guy totally destroys Ted Olson's story.

Here is the archived CNN original article. The author is right...it's very odd that the CNN article does not directly quote Ted Olson directly...very odd.

This Ted Olsen lie is apparently another devastating smoking gun.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 8:46:49 PM

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A clarification from Bill Douglas, David Ray Griffin did not call Ted Olsen a liar, he just pointed out that the FBI said the call did not occur, which leaves open the possibility that Ted Olsen was decieved by someone.

I do, however, believe Olsen was lying.  The discrepancies between what he said and what reality is, are too widespread to be anything but a deliberate deception. The below article is a well laid out chronical of such departures from fact.

The below article excerpt from Joe Vialls of 2002, can be read in full at:

http://www.geocities.com/subliminalsuggestion/olson.html

    Regarding the same event, Fox News reports that, extraordinarily,  Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson then said Barbara Olson's call, made "in the midst of terrible danger and turmoil swirling around her," was a "clarion call that awakened our nation's leaders to the true nature of the events of Sept. 11." 

          So Ted Olson avoided making any direct personal reference to the death of his wife. Clearly this was not good enough for someone somewhere. By the sixth month anniversary of the attack, Ted Olson was allegedly interviewed by London Telegraph reporter Toby Harnden, with his exclusive story “She Asked Me How To Stop The Plane” appearing in that London newspaper on March 5,  thereafter renamed and syndicated around dozens of western countries as “Revenge Of The Spitfire”,  finally appearing in the West Australian newspaper on Saturday March 23, 2002.

by Bill Douglas (69 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments) on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:22:45 PM

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Let's try and reason this out.

The only way he's innocent is if some unknown woman, claiming to be his wife, called him from somewhere, and pretended to be on the plane, and he fell for it? Because he doesn't know what his wife's voice sounds like? And then he changes his story as to how she made the call?

I don't believe it.

He's obviously lying. And if he's lying, that means he's in on it. If he's in on it, then he must have known it was going to happen as it did. And if he knew what was going to happen, then, that means he basically either helped murder his wife, or she's in on it too. And if she was in on it, then right now she's sitting pretty somewhere after collecting a life insurance payout and whatever payoff she was given from the conspirators.

This is utterly fantastic...makes you wonder, how deep does this rabbit hole go? There must be a bunch of people in the FBI, CIA, NIST, etc. that know the whole thing is a giant scam.

If we had a real government, this one issue alone would be enough to trigger a real investigation.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:25:35 AM

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If they will lie to shut down an avenue for the truth to get out to large audiences, they will lie about anything.  See the video of my comment at a Hillsborough County Commission meeting asking why they are calling increases in revenue and expenditures cuts. Step into the Twilight Zone where an increase is a cut, if you dare. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5130063694565191849

Google pretends that this video has only been seen a couple of times, but Google admitted that its counters were not working right after I caught them resetting them.  The misinformation is greater than most can even imagine.

Everyone knows that the people are supposed to be able to peacefully remove bad leaders through elections, but what if those who control the machines, and their secret vote count, want bad leaders in power? Is there another way that citizens can prevent abuse of power without resorting to violence?

Yes, there is or was another way to hold our governors accountable without resorting to violence. A few of you may already know about this, but if not, I’m sure that you’ll want to find out about the other civil check on government abuse of power that our Founders provided for us. If so, read What Happens When the People Lose the Power to Control Government and What You Can Do to Take the Power Back? http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mark_ada_080204_what_happens_when_th.htm

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by Mark Adams (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 312 comments [39 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:02:03 AM

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No planes, perhaps?? Are you sure you guys want to go there?!

:-)

Sydney, Australia 

by Robert Hoogenboom (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 234 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:28:47 AM

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Barbara Olsen could easily be living with a new face job, and new identity somewhere.

 Also the No Planes were used that day is a real probablility. Afterall the only type of debris that was visible was hand size and picked up off the ground at the Pentagon. Stuff that could be thrown out a window or open  Van door to dump at the site, to create fake evidence. I think they planted the plane parts, to include plane wheel rims found inside the Pentagon. If we remember that part of the building that was hit, was under construction,  and it would have been very easy to unload jet rims, in their target location of the building.

Teilhard here is another miracle addition to your great article on how there is an enormous amount of circumstantial accounts to the 911 attack.

How would terorists know where to attack the Pentagon at the exact location where Construction was nearing completion? And the work was to reinforce the Pentagon. Obviously the material changes in construction didn't work for stopping the cruise missle that was probably fired from a tractor trailer at the Airport parked across the way from the Pentagon.

click here...http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:02:11 PM

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Attempting to refute that which millions upon millions have seen, planes flying into buildings, is not only a waste of time but takes away energy from more important issues.

Just like the JFK assassination this can be debated forever, I am not interewsted in doing so, I would rather work to achieve the sort of nation in which such an inquiry can proceed apace. After that goal has been achieved there is then time for such as you guys would ponder.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:08:44 AM

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I would rather work to achieve the sort of nation in which such an inquiry can proceed apace. After that goal has been achieved there is then time for such as you guys would ponder.

If the people who did this are not stopped, and soon, you may never see "the sort of nation" you are imagining.

The more I understand of who they are, their goals, and how they've operated so far, the more terrified I am that they are going to start WW3 before this goes much further.

If Israeli officials/Mossad are involved up to their ears, as I believe they are, then this would ultimately mean the loss of U.S. support, which means the end of the type of Israel the Likud kooks envision.

In fact, it looks to me like the kooks that run Israel are desperately trying to start the war from their end right now, doesn't it?

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:42:40 AM

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"Attempting to refute that which millions upon millions have seen," 

ON TV!

Millions of people have seen Babara Eden living in an ornate bottle, too. 

by Sha Llel (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 90 comments) on Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 7:09:48 PM

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Don't forget the failure of all four flight crews to send a simple four-digit hijacking distress code. Think about it. Look at the passenger list for Flight 77. Those of you who are in denial of about 9/11 being the result of a "conspiracy" need to go read the definition again, because the "governments official version" is also a conspiracy. The question is which version supports the facts. Those capable of discernment and critical thinking already know the answer.

by Dan Smith (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:58:22 AM

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Check out what I put together months ago regarding the cover-up of Mineta's testimony before the 9/11 Commission on May 23, 2003, http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=4831.Then, check out the conflicted Zelikow, Bush crony and author of the 9/11 Commission Report, at http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/zelikow-interfered/  Also, check out David R. Griffin's May 22, 2005 article, "The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie ", at http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404Zelikow's association with the Bush administration may answer many of Griffin's 9/11 discrepancies he came across.  Note:  the report came out several months before the 2004 Presidential elections.Also, read about architects and engineers and others who doubt the official version of 9/11 at http://www.patriotsquestion911.com and at http://www.ae911truth.org.  Fox News covered Rosie O'Donnell's 9/11 comments (even though she lacks credibility) although they never dared challenge Griffin with his findings nor bothered to question architects, engineers, etc., mentioned at the sites noted above.

by Tom Harper (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:21:06 AM

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Heck with "The Shell Game", and the arcane and by now boring physics of the building collapses, etc.; the Barbara Olson drama has the potential to capture the attention of "Soccer Moms" the world over, IMO.

A celebrity guy gets a phone call from his celebrity wife shortly before her impending murder...but it's apparently all a lie...and he either has complicity in her murder...or both of them are involved and she's living it up somewhere?

For so inclined people, this fascinating kind of real-life drama and intrigue beats anything from a book of fiction or a soap opera on afternoon TeeVee.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:48:05 AM

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I totally agree Harold. I mean what really are the odds that the wife of this particular attorney was on the exact flight that allegedly crashed in the Pentagon.

THIS PARTICULAR ATTORNEY... successfully represented presidential candidate George W. Bush in the Supreme Court case Bush v. Gore, which effectively determined the final result of the contested 2000 Presidential election. He was nominated to the Office of Solicitor General by President Bush on February 14, 2001, was confirmed by the United States Senate on May 24, 2001, and took office on June 11, 2001.

To believe in the official conspiracy of what happened on 9/11 is to believe in thousands of little or large coincidences and miracles. ALL of which are explained when accepting the painfully obvious truth that it was a false flag attack.

by Dan Smith (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:23:10 AM

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I hope you're right! But do you really think the soccer moms are ever going to find out that the "brave cell-phone user" was a myth? That would anger not only the Bush Administration, but also the telecommunications companies--never underestimate their influence!

by Oh (7 articles, 5 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 321 comments [41 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:36:52 PM

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Cellphone calls from from airplanes at any other than very low altitudes was not possible. As to seat back phones:

" But was a call from an onboard phone even possible? In 2004, Ian Henshall and Rowland Morgan, having asked American Airlines whether their “757s [are] fitted with phones that passengers can use,” received this reply from an AA spokesperson: “American Airlines 757s do not have onboard phones for passenger use.” To check on the possibility that Barbara Olson might have borrowed a phone intended for crew use, they then asked, “[A]re there any onboard phones at all on AA 757s, i.e., that could be used either by passengers or cabin crew?” The response was: “AA 757s do not have any onboard phones, either for passenger or crew use. Crew have other means of communication available.”"

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html

Ted Olson could not have received a call from Barbara Olson. Only one element of the Official Story needs to be exposed as a lie, and the Official Story unravels quickly. This alone is enough to expose the entire lie.  But we need the main stream media or a few Congress people.  But its 1984.

by David Watts (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 284 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:11:47 PM

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This is a perfect example of WHY there needs to be a TRUE investigation!

If Barbara Olson could not have made the phone call, the whole thing starts to come apart. How hard would it be for a real investigation to show that cell phone calls were not possible and American Airline's 757s didn't have seat back phones?!

And for crying out loud, a real investigation ought to be able to get the real honest to goodness phone records!

Let's get an honest investigation. There is one vehicle that could make this happen. Its a book called The Shell Game. The book raises real questions about 9/11. If enough people started asking questions at the same time; and if the book would rise high enough on the best seller lists so the media couldn't ignore it, some quick progress could be made. Please get and read the book. Get others to get the book. Thanks.

Watch the trailers and learn about Peak Oil / The End of Oil. And learn about the stand down orders on 9/11 -- Why our skies went unprotected.

www.theshellgame.net

by David Watts (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 284 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:41:58 PM

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Why is Bill Douglas allowed to accuse someone of lying in the title of his post, yet when Timothy Gatto did the same thing calling Obama a liar he was forced to change the title?

by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 888 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 2:26:06 PM

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