Peggy Noonan, a Republican speechwriter (Reagan’s among others), was perplexed last night on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart as to “why Rudy fell.”It was a mystery to her.Probably because she gets all her information from FOX News and the other corporate media.
Of course those who’s heads aren’t buried in the corporate idiot box, know that 9/11 truth was Rudy’s demise.
First of all, how did Rudy, a Mayor even become a possible GOP nominee.Corporate media and the Bush Administration began a myth about Rudy Giuliani beginning on 9/11/2001?
Evidence suggests that a quid pro quo may have begun Rudy's ascendance, whereby Rudy would help destroy the WTC steel BEFORE A FORENSIC 9/11 INVESTIGATION COULD OCCUR (by sending it to India and China to be melted down) . . . and in exchange the powers made him President.
Of course that didn’t work out quite the way Rudy wanted.Rudy even began using remains of WTC victims to fill pot holes because he was in such a rabid hurry to get rid of evidence.
Over 6 months ago, when Rudy Giuliani was expected to be a shoe-in for the GOP nomination as Mr. 9/11, he was confronted on the campaign trail by a very courageous young woman, Sabrina Rivero, who’s father died in the 9/11 attacks, and by Luke Rudkowski, and Tom Foti of WeAreChange New York, a 9/11 truth organization.
This video made network news after being posted on YouTube and flying fiercely around the internet.The original video on YouTube has been viewed over 61,000 times, however this video has been posted by others and linked through countless websites and articles.Corporate media tried to laugh it off, but viewers who watched began to re-think Mr. 9/11 Giuliani.
In this video, Giuliani was confronted because he’d told network news on 9/11 that he and his command team had been warned that World Trade Center 7, which mysteriously collapsed at 5:20 pm on 9/11/2001, was about to collapse “before” it actually did.It was not hit by a plane and its damage from the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 was much less severe than other buildings in the World Trade Center complex, which did not collapse.See video of WTC 7 as well as 1 and 2, at:
No one in the world knew that WTC 7 would collapse on 9/11, so Ms. Rivero wanted to know who told Giuliani that it was about to collapse.She also wanted to know why Giuliani didn’t warn people like her father who were present in the WTC complex on 9/11, in order to save lives, rather than just evacuating the building and not warning others.
Giuliani denied having told network news that he knew WTC 7 was going to collapse, and denied anyone told him it would on 9/11, even though it is public knowledge that the Command Center was evacuated by his command crew.Not only did Giuliani know BEFORE it came down that it would come down but police and emergency workers were told by someone it would “blow up.”See Giuliani’s admission he was told, at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4lWM0BECZ8
WTC 7 fell in a classic controlled demolition fashion at near free fall speed of about 7 seconds for a 47 story building, tipping in in the center just like the Vegas hotels we’ve all seen blown on TV.
By William E. Douglas, Jr., who is author of "The Amateur Parent – A Book on Life, Death, War & Peace, and Everything Else in the Universe." Bill has been a guest columnist for the Kansas City Star, The Business Journal, and other media worldwide. His past essays include, "Exposing the 9/11 Conspiracy Wingnuts," "The Explosion of the 9-11 Truth Movement -- US Media's Dirty Little Secret," "Good Night, and Good Luck - WMD, NIST, Popular Mechanics, 9/11 and Media Crimes" and also "Why the Jewish Community Should Demand 9/11 Truth."
Quote: "It would appear that the 9/11 truth movement is much more powerful than coporate media wil ever recognize."
Oh, Bill, you know that looks can be deceiving. And I think you're deceiving yourself a little bit if you truly feel that the 9/11 truth movement had anything to do with Rudy's fall from grace. This is a man who was leading in all the national polls by wide margins only 3-6 months ago. Are you telling me that the truth movement cranked up its volume loud enough to drown him out in such a short period of time? Are you telling me that Republicans rejected Rudy because they believe that he had inside foreknowledge of the attacks or tried to cover them up after the fact? Au contraire, mon frere.
That's just a load of wishful thinking on your part. Rudy's fall from grace can be summed up in two words -- retail politics, i.e., stumping. The truth is he's lousy at it. John McCain, on the other hand, is brilliant at it. That's why the two have mirrored one another's rise and fall. McCain was written off for politically dead when Rudy was flying high. What changed things for him? New Hampshire. How did he win in N.H.? Through small state retail politics where you talk to voters one-on-one and get a lot of small town free media coverage in the process. That's how New Hampshire voters like it, and that's how McCain parlayed a losing hand into pocket aces.
That's also how Rudy fell from his ivory tower. He couldn't pull off retail politics. And his lack of momentum in the early primaries ultimately killed off his campaign in Florida where 3-6 months ago he had a big lead. Momentum in politics, especially the primaries, is everything.
I'm sorry but it's hubris on your part to give credit for Giuliani's downfall to the 9/11 truth movement. It had little if anything to do with it.
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Sam Adams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 48 comments)
on Thursday, January 31, 2008 at 9:52:51 PM
You miss the point Sam. Who told Rudi the Tower was going to collapse? And.....of course, how did they know? I'll tell you how they knew. It was because They KNEW! Not because they thought it was possible, They KNEW!
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David Watts (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 226 comments)
on Thursday, January 31, 2008 at 11:01:49 PM
If you don't think that people meeting you at every stop accusing you of mass murder and having the real video proof that you look guilty of at least complicity in 9/11 . . . has some effect on how you "stump" as you put it . . .
. . . well if you believe that . . . then I'd have to take that "smart feller" compliment back. . . . sorry.
Just because you lack the vision to see what the 9/11 truth movement has accomplished . . . well that says more about you than the movement.
Everyone else can get busy using the resources at www.TheShellGame.net and get even more done in coming weeks and months.
Let's break 9/11 truth wide open "The Shell Game" tell everyone !!
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Bill Douglas (68 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments)
on Thursday, January 31, 2008 at 11:54:14 PM
I think people simply grew tired of hearing and having to think about 9/11 again and again. If this election had happened a year or two after 9/11, he would have been a shoe-in.
Did truther harassment have anything to do with his fall? Perhaps some, but only to the extent that they too reminded people of the 9/11 attacks.
Not to mention that his campaign strategy was ill-conceived in other ways.
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Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 482 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 1:06:46 AM
Alan, in this article you learned 2 things, if you actually
Alan, in this article you learned 2 things, if you actually read it.
1) Rudy had foreknowedge of the WTC 7 collapse
2) Rudy destroyed forensic evidence
That constitutes guilt in the murder of 3,000 innocent people by complicity as an accomplice after the fact in the 2nd case, and perhaps compicity in a pre meditated sense with the first fact.
Are you telling me that the powers that be were not shocked to find that about 4 years after the 9/11 attacks 36% of Americans had figured out it was an inside job by their own government (Scripps Howard poll)?
Are you telling me that they actually wanted this guy in the White House that they and the media had handpicked to get the Presidency from day one, I mean day 9/11?
It is amazing how naive so called liberals can be. Being liberal doesn't mean that everyone is nice. Rudy got caught as an accomplice to mass murder. His paymasters pulled the plug on his ascendence. Its pretty obvious, unless you try really really really hard not to see it.
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Bill Douglas (68 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 1:28:21 AM
Rudy probably was made aware 7 was going to collapse, the whole dang fire department pretty much knew it was inevitable for several hours.
What's the big mystery?
Why is that because material from the buildings was efficiently disposed of, that means there just HAD to be something nefarious around it? Might I just as effectively argue that it was simply an effort to clean up an awful mess as quickly as possible? Isn't that pretty much what people do when they see a big mess? (except my 10 y/o, that is)
Rudy didn't destroy evidence. Or if he was involved in deciding whatever the heck timeline there was from pile to China, what evidence is there that he intended to cover anything up? At that point, I don't think anybody was even of a mind that there was anything to investigate -- it was all pretty obvious to everyone what happened. Then they realized there were building safety investigative issues involved ..... whoops.
Maybe the truther brigades did have some effect. That's one thing. That there is any legitimacy to what they are saying is quite another.
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Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 482 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 2:10:07 AM
Al, its hard to even argue with someone as mis-informed as y
Al, its hard to even argue with someone as mis-informed as you are. If you'd do just a modicum of homework on 9/11 truth we could have an intelligent discussion, but let me try to help you out. Even thought its obvious you didn't even look at the powerful educational video links in the article you purport to be discussing.
The reason it is such a BIG deal that Rudy knew that WTC 7 was going to collapse before it did, is because NO STEEL REINFORCED SKYSCRAPER HAD EVERY COLLAPSED DUE TO FIRE IN THE HISTORY OF ENGINEERING.
ON 9/11/2001 WTC 1, 2, AND 7 MADE ENGINEERING HISTORY. WTC 7 had not even been hit by a plane and had relatively small fires. There is NO REASON for it too collapse, so WHY/WHO knew it would?
Why won't Rudy or the BBC tell us? We know why the firemen won't, because they've been ordered not to. They see their fellow 1st responders with lung disease living on the street, abandoned by Rudy and the system and often can't even get Social Security . . . so they know to stay SHUT UP, if they know what's good for them. EVEN IF THEY DID PUT IT ALL ON THE LINE AND COME OUT AND TALK, PEOPLE LIKE YOU WOULD YAWN, AND SAY "WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?" SO WHAT IF SOMEONE KNOW WHAT NOONE COULD HAVE KNOWN UNLESS THEY WERE GOING TO "MAKE" IT HAPPEN.
Al, just watch Richard Gage's presentation at Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth (ae911truth.org) just once . . . please.
Now as far as Rudy disposing of the steel . . . no contrary to your flippant view of the world, it is not normal to rapidly ship forensic evidence of perhaps the worst crime in American history out to be destroyed. HOW DO I KNOW?
Fire Engineering Magazine, the premiere forensic investigation magazine, for fire investigators in America's editor cried foul and demanded that the evidence of the WTC buildings NOT BE DESTROYED UNTIL A FULL FORENSICS INVESTIGATION COULD OCCUR.
Al, did you even watch one of the videos in the above article you purport to be commenting on intelligently?
Al, just go back to the article, and watch the videos, and you'll know ever so much more than you do now about 9/11, and Rudy, and realize that a crime has been committed. Not by 19 Arabs, but by our media and our government.
A lie that has led us into 2 illegal wars.
A lie that is destroying our civil liberites.
A lied that has made us a torture state.
When my father was in Dachau during WWII in the first Infantry Division to liberate that death camp, he and his friends were so outraged that the suburban German's living around the death camp had for years . . . pretended nothing was happening . . . that they forced the Germans to come out of their nice suburban homes and help bury the bodies . . .
Al, I know you like your comfortable life, and want to keep the door closed and pretend you are not complicit in crimes against humanity because you hear, see and speak no evil . . . but you are.
And like my father, I will keep opening your door, and keep showing you the million dead Iraqis and Afghanis that your unconsciousness is complicit in murdering . . . .
Truth will out.
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Bill Douglas (68 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 9:48:05 AM
Quote: "His paymasters pulled the plug on his ascendence. Its pretty obvious, unless you try really really really hard not to see it."
If Rudy is dirty, there's no way his "paymasters" would have pulled the plug on him. Unless you want to argue that the votes in Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, South Carolina and Florida were all rigged. I'm not saying that's impossible, but I am saying it's unlikely. And it's not backed by the polling data. Rudy started tanking in the polls right after his big losses in Iowa and New Hampshire. His initial support evaporated quickly thereafter. Sooner or later you have to win a primary to maintain your voter support levels. Rudy couldn't do it. It was the voters who sent him packing, not his paymasters, and Republicans by-and-large do NOT think Rudy was complicit in 9/11.
You're giving a few hecklers far too much credit in my book. And do you suppose those "paymasters" orchestrated McCain's meteoric rise as well? Fat chance of that. The animosity between Bush and McCain stemming from 2000 is well known. I don't think Bush is very happy about the current outcome of the GOP primaries. If I were him I'd be a little bit worried that my archenemy might soon be in charge of keeping a lid on the whole 9/11 can of worms. I know McCain has spoken out against 9/11 conspiracy theories, but that's largely beside the point. I don't think Bush trusts him, and there is good reason for that. McCain has shown a tendency to take on the GOP establishment over many issues. This may be one more time if he truly has any character at all. We'll just have to wait and see. And hope.
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Sam Adams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 48 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 4:18:54 AM
Are you naive enough to believe that this show is for real? Between diebold, the media, and other factors anyone can be made or broken at any time.
CIA Director William Colby once said that "There is no media of any consequence in America that is not controlled by the CIA."
If they had wanted Rudy to stay competitive, he would. If they didn't want him to, he wouldn't.
Ron Paul for example, and also before him Dennis Kucinich, had ideas that the overwhelming majority of Americans agreed with. The website where you put in your feelings on issues, show these two to be far and away the favorite candidates.
HOWEVER, the media ridicules, it bolsters, it twists, it manipulates images . . . and then the party structures do their part, and the diebold scanners do theres and "poof" a candidate is no more.
They built Rudy with images they made up about 9/11 . . . and when they were done with Rudy, they let him go.
What's Rudy gonna do, come out and say "I participated in a crime so they'd make me President. And now they didn't. They cheated."
Come on. You live in a mafia state, not a democracy. I'm still donating to Ron Paul and caucusing for him, because I'm fighting the bastards, but let's get real here. Rudy was made, and then he was un-made by the powers that pulled off 9/11.
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Bill Douglas (68 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 9:54:35 AM
about a Utah metalurgist who found explosive residue on a section of steel he obtained with difficulty. This was on Alternet, I believe.
WTC#7 had materials of investigations for insider trading and other white collar crimes. A German Co., was able to pull much of the data off the hard drives, Spegil.de, what happened to it I can't recall.
There are many unanswered questions to 9/11, and Bu$h & Co. would rather the people don't make such a fuss about it.
I think it was his ego that brought him down, and all his bragging how he was Mr. 9/11 saviour.
His lack of reality is as bad as Dybua's and buckshot Dick's.
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Stanimal (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 334 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 3:23:50 AM
Actually it was Brigham Young Physics Professor, Steve Jones
Actually it was Brigham Young Physics Professor, Steve Jones who has tested various samples of WTC debris and found indications of thermate, a controlled demolition steel cutting agent. In later tests he's actually found thermite, which is a smoking gun that the WTCs were brought down in controlled demolition.
Controlled demolition proves a premeditated act of placing charges by someone with access to WTC security. SECURICOM, a WTC security company, had GW's brother and cousin on the board.
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Bill Douglas (68 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 9:57:18 AM
"If all the raindrops were lemondrops and gumdrops..."
"... Oh what a rain that would be!"
I agree with Mr. Adams' assessment of Mayor Giuliani's fall from grace. Being a NH resident, we saw very little of the right Honorable Mayor; in fact, his campaign strategy essentially blew off NH in favor of other states. However, Senator McCain was like the "Chickenman" of old - "He's everywhere, he's everywhere!"
As to the 9/11 links to his demise, it's fanciful thinking only. Although brazenly vocal, the 9/11 Truth Movement is stagnant. The more vocal and desruption the Movements becomes, the fewer sympathetic ears it will retain. "You'll catch more bees with honey than vinegar..."
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Tom Murphy (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 1360 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 8:46:44 AM
Tom, did you watch any of those videos? Did you see Sabrina, who lost her father in the 9/11 attacks wanting to know why Rudy didn't tell anyone, warn anyone there to flee the impending WTC 7 collapse?
Are you saying she should just SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP?
What I think Tom, is that if you had a modicum of integrity and conscience, you'd be standing along side Sabrina demanding answers.
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Bill Douglas (68 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 9:59:41 AM
Quote: "The more vocal and desruption the Movements becomes, the fewer sympathetic ears it will retain. "You'll catch more bees with honey than vinegar..."
Why Tom, that's the reason for the new fiction soon-to-be bestseller "The Shell Game." Maybe you've heard of it.....Somewhere. (Bill Douglas insert shameless book promo here ad infinitum.)
I have no ax to grind against the 9/11 truth movement, or Bill Douglas for that matter. I do however question the wisdon of attributing to it more power and influence than it really has. That's just setting oneself up for a disappointment when the "paymasters" go along their merry way. Also, organizing hecklers at political events really just hands more power to the elites. The hecklers get rudely shown the door and are belittled by the likes of Bill Clinton (which just happened recently).
I also question whether or not "The Shell Game" will have any impact on mass consciousness or not. I'm betting against it. It's just the law of proportions at work. The 9/11 truth movement, though it has come far, is stuck in near permanent minority status. I say "near" only because it may become the prevailing view in a generation or so like that of the JFK assassination conspiracy theories. Only by then democracy may be nothing more than a quaint, old-fashioned notion.
So what is the 9/11 truth movement supposed to do? I don't know, but being shrill at political rallies doesn't work. There's really not much it can do, apart from what it has already done. It acted as a vanguard, but I have little faith that it will convert the resistant mass consciousness of this country and impose its will on our political leaders. After all power, like feces, flows downhill.
So duck and cover. And be careful who you vote for. That's assuming, of course, that votes still count. And they might in some cases. Just ask Rudy.
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Sam Adams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 48 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 4:11:29 PM
In all honesty, I get the impression you just think that activists are deluded and that if they were realistic, they'd just sit on their hands and not do anything.
If you question 9/11, do you not feel compelled to DO SOMETHING about it?
The way you write makes it seem like you don't.
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Bill Douglas (68 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 434 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 4:16:01 PM
But I wouldn't describe myself as an activist. I don't eat, breathe and sleep the "movement" as you do. That's neither a compliment nor a criticism of your actions.
What I've run into is a wall of resistance stacked 30ft. high. I assume you've met the same on occasion. So naturally I'm pessimistic that the 9.11 Truth Movement will succeed. And I don't think assigning it the fake success of knocking Giuliani out of the race is helpful to the movement in any way.
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Sam Adams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 48 comments)
on Saturday, February 2, 2008 at 6:20:11 PM
I remember that's what they told the Civil Rights and the Anti War movements. Thar we were being "abrasive", (that favorite liberal word) by picketing, not to mention sitting in and engaging in other forms of civil disobedience. I started to say that we would present rational argument if the mass media would let our views through. But the fact is that we HAVE presented rational arguments. But if the only alternative to most people not hearing our views or even knowing we exist, is, in addition to the reasoned arguments and investigation you can see on many 9/11 truth web sites, is to be "loud," and "abrasive," and "strident." Wasn't it Frederick Douglas who said something about wanting progress without agitation was like wanting crops without rain?"
Graeme McQueen has performed a thorough examination of the firefighter oral histories released to the NYTimes under a FOIA request. That analysis can be found here.
Within this paper is this very interesting exchange:
"We have, as a comparison case, the important warning relating to the Twin Towers, made shortly before the collapse of the South Tower. I believe it is worth reminding readers of this warning so I will quote FDNY Chief Peruggia’s account at length..."
“I was in a discussion with Mr. Rotanz and I believe it was a representative from the Department of Buildings, but I'm not sure. Some engineer type person, and several of us were huddled talking in the lobby and it was brought to my attention, it was believed that the structural damage that was suffered to the towers was quite significant and they were very confident that the building's stability was compromised and they felt that the north tower was in danger of a near imminent collapse.
I grabbed EMT Zarrillo, I advised him of that information. I told him he was to proceed immediately to the command post where Chief Ganci was located…”
Q. “They felt that just the one building or both of them?”
A. “The information we got at that time was that they felt both buildings were significantly damaged, but they felt that the north tower, which was the first one to be struck, was going to be in imminent danger of collapse. Looking up at it, you could see that, you could see through the smoke or whatever, that there was significant structural damage to the exterior of the building. Very noticeable. Now you know, again, this is not a scene where the thought of both buildings collapsing ever entered into my mind.
I was there in 1993, 14 minutes after the bomb went off. I operated some 16 hours at the building and with all the post-incident critiques and debriefings with various agencies. We were always told by everyone, the experts, that these buildings could withstand direct hits from airplanes. That's the way they were designed. They went through all of this architectural stuff, way beyond the scope of my knowledge.
It was hit by an airplane. That's okay. It's made to be hit by an airplane. I mean I think everyone may have believed that. We were all told years ago it was made to be hit by an airplane.”
"When Zarrillo carried Peruggia’s startling news of imminent collapse to Chief Ganci, Ganci’s response was, “who the f**k told you that?” [14] Ganci had bet the lives of his firefighters on the stability of the Towers. In fact, the lives of hundreds of firefighters had been wagered on the experience of fire chiefs who never suspected collapse. Ganci had almost certainly been told, like Peruggia and others in the FDNY (see Appendix E), that planes could not cause the Towers to collapse. Ganci is dead—he died in the collapse of the North Tower—but his question remains a good one: Who told you that?"
Some "engineering type" was going around telling people less than an hour into the event the buildings were in imminent danger of collapse? HUH? How did they know that?
Whether the truth movement can claim responsibility, perhaps some. Any pressure on the candidate that gets picked up in media certainly helps. BraveNewFilms and the firefighter's union members that dogged him can take some credit likewise. The Village Voice was very critical. But his scandals, and everyone who kept bringing them up, is also responsible for his welcomed departure.
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Stephen Demetriou (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 163 comments)
on Friday, February 1, 2008 at 9:19:50 AM
For the best overview of why we need to know the answer to that question, is found in a free online 90 minute documentary called "9/11 Mysteries"
You'll find a link to it at www.TheShellGame.net under the "911 Links" and you'll see it right at the top of the links page.
Urge all you know to view this important documentary. That documentary is enough for a criminal investigation to begin, and it won't lead to some cave in Afghanistan.
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Bill Douglas (68 articles, 2 quicklinks, 11 diari
