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January 17, 2008 at 15:19:49

A Microcosm of the Problem with the Anti-Paul Crowd

by Anthony Wade     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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January 17, 2008

 

Today we see another attempt by rabid anti-Paul crusader Joel Hirschhorn to marginalize the Ron Paul momentum. I truly do not understand the rationale from Joel, as I have read his book and thought he was one of the guys who truly “got it.” Unfortunately his “damn the torpedoes” attempts to sink Paul have me at a bit of a loss. Luckily, his article today allows for a crystal clear view into what is wrong with this crowd. His article can be found here:

 

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_joel_s___080117_false_gods_create_fa.htm

 

Hirschhorn correctly points out that the country is clamoring for significant change but then leaps off the reality cliff in his latest attempts to dismiss Ron Paul. A careful reading of the article reveals the following problems Joel has with Paul:

 

1) Some of the Paul followers are not nice – this apparently takes up about a third of the article. Apparently, Joel has run into some Paul supporters who have not behaved civilly. I am sure we can find an equal amount behind any candidate. Joel knows this of course. The larger point is how you dismiss a candidate based upon who chooses to support them and how vociferously they do that. To do so is simply silly. Joel tries the tired old “cult” lies to again attempt to portray the Paul following as some kind of fringe element instead of the true grassroots effort it has become with millions of dollars in support from individual folks across this country. Joel claims that the Paul followers reject anyone talking real change but is not supportive of Paul directly. This point is empty since there is no such person left in the race talking real change except Dr. Paul.

 

2) Paul offers no specifics? This appears to be the second issue Joel takes with Dr. Paul. Never mind that Paul has a website entirely designed to answer any and all policy questions and positions held by the candidate. Never mind that Joel does not hold the other candidates to the same standard. Paul has said that he would call all the troops home. What does Mr. Hirschhorn want to see? Travel arrangements? He said that he would pay down the debt with the money saved on eliminating war as a foreign policy. He said he would restore civil liberties and do away with such horrific laws such as the Patriot Act. Once again, what does Mr. Hirschhorn wish to see?

 

3) Paul will not support Article V of the constitution. While I am no expert on this matter, I know that no other candidate is vocally calling for this either. So applying the Hirschhorn standard, we have no candidates left. Not to mention the Pandora’s Box that could be opened if an Article V convention were actually to be held.

 

4) Paul has not denounced the stranglehold the 2 party system has on this country. I am with Joel on this and I sincerely hope that when the GOP nomination doesn’t go to Paul; that he runs as an independent. But to dismiss his candidacy because he will not denounce something that no OTHER candidate has done either is not only unfair; it speaks to the true motivation of Mr. Hirschhorn. Heck, even Dennis Kucinich has ran back to his safe spot in the Democratic Party rather than run as an independent, so holding Dr. Paul to a higher standard then everyone else is patently unfair as well.

 

That about it. One reason that Paul has no control over and is grossly misstated and three standards that Hirschhorn will not hold the other candidates to. There is the logic of the Anti-Paul movement. All fluff and no substance. Joel at least then correctly points out that no one else left is a true agent of change either. NONE of them. So he starts out by saying that the country wants an agent of change, concludes that none of them are, but spends the entire article slamming only one of them. Hmmm.

 

The strangest twist though is to conclude that the best option would be if Mike Bloomberg ran as an independent! A corporate billionaire who has made New York great for business. Another corporate president, after 8 years of a corporate president! Does anyone really want a president who is going to side with business over the people again?? What about foreign policy experience? Does anything matter anymore? I am not saying that Ron Paul is the panacea for all that ails this country but he seems like a good start. He wants the troops home and wars over. He wants civil liberties restored and the checks and balances restored. He wants to pay down our debt before the dollar collapses. There is nothing false in those positions. They are what is needed now. They are the best of what is being offered. The rest of the GOP field wants to blow up the rest of the world, so they are out. Hillary and Obama are bought and sold and will end up being Bush Light. Does Mr. Hirschhorn really think that they would break the stronghold of the 2-party system??? They ARE the 2-party system! That leaves Edwards, who says the right things but does not appear to have the backing of his party. Heck, I hope it comes down to Edwards and Paul. It is time to realize that people who are so adamant about you not voting for Ron Paul simply do not have a better alternative. Maybe there simply isn’t one.

 

Anthony Wade, a contributing writer to opednews.com, is dedicated to educating the populace to the lies and abuses of the government. He is a 40-year-old independent writer from New York with political commentary articles seen on multiple websites. A Christian progressive and professional Rehabilitation Counselor working with the poor and disabled, Mr. Wade believes that you can have faith and hold elected officials accountable for lies and excess.


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I'm a 49 year old veteran of the USAF and owner of a national business & real estate development firm. While I consider myself a Constitutionist, I ran for Congress in 1996 on the Democratic ticket. I've been an "on again / off again" local and national grass-roots organizer for almost two decades. (I've tried to balance my business affairs with my duty to help preserve the Republic by trying to get the federal government back into its Constitutional box.
Dan DruckI'm a 49 year old veteran of the USAF and owner of a national business & real estate development firm. While I consider myself a Constitutionist, I ran for Congress in 1996 on the Democratic ticket. I've been an "on again / off again" local and national grass-roots organizer for almost two decades. (I've tried to balance my business affairs with my duty to help preserve the Republic by trying to get the federal government back into its Constitutional box.

Hirschhorn's personal agenda

From reading all of Hirschhorn's articles about Ron Paul I conclude that he has his undies in a bunch slolely because of item #3.  His is the Constitutional Convention drum.  The change he says everybody wants is not related to the enforcement of the Constitution but is to the very Constitution itself.  The other items of his discord exist only to strike back at Paul's refusal to take up his pro Con-Con cause.  If Paul had done so, Hirschhorn would have been sporting a Ron Paul t-shirt and canvassing like the Granny Warriors.

I've debated him online about his "evidence" that Congress is ignoring over 500 calls for a Con Con.   When his "evidence" was debunked, his flamed response had to be censored by the site's moderator.  His friend who took his place in the debate after being censored actually said that, since I'm a veteran, that he was going to have me arrested (if Joel wanted him to) for not supporting his position - a violation of my oath to the Constitution, so he claimed.  It got even sillier after that!

Freedom of speech combined with the bully pulpit of the Internet proves that people shouldn't always believe what they read, nor should they assume that those who write and publish articles actually know what they are talking about.

by Dan Druck (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 4:20:14 PM
 


I'm a 49 year old veteran of the USAF and owner of a national business & real estate development firm. While I consider myself a Constitutionist, I ran for Congress in 1996 on the Democratic ticket. I've been an "on again / off again" local and national grass-roots organizer for almost two decades. (I've tried to balance my business affairs with my duty to help preserve the Republic by trying to get the federal government back into its Constitutional box.
Dan DruckI'm a 49 year old veteran of the USAF and owner of a national business & real estate development firm. While I consider myself a Constitutionist, I ran for Congress in 1996 on the Democratic ticket. I've been an "on again / off again" local and national grass-roots organizer for almost two decades. (I've tried to balance my business affairs with my duty to help preserve the Republic by trying to get the federal government back into its Constitutional box.

Irrational or Nefarious

Considering Hirschhorn's rabid enthusiasm for his single issue, I suppose he initially saw Ron Paul as a potential avenue to achieve his goal.  When that didn't pan out, he turned on Paul like a spoiled child.

However, I've never met a sincere con-con advocate that, when presented with the facts about its inherent dangers, didn't change positions.  Those who persist thereafter are either incapable of rational thought or have more nefarious objectives.

by Dan Druck (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Sunday, January 20, 2008 at 11:01:34 AM
 


"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord
Ingrid"There can be no freedom for a society that lacks the means with which to detect lies." - Guy Debord

Thanks Anthony

Joel doesn't make any sense to me, either, but I didn't have the patience to gather the information to refute him. His seeming hatred for Ron Paul's supporters is pretty weird, if you ask me.

In fact, the whole phenomenon of calling Paul's supporters names (Paultard, Paulbot) is weird to me; I've never seen anything like it. The real irony is that many of these same people accuse Ron Paul of being a racist and would never think to insult people on the basis of their skin color...yet they insult people very liberally on the basis of which presidential candidate they'd like to vote for. It's all discrimination, and, to quote a commentator on another article: "name calling like this is the intellectual equivalent of calling blacks "n*****s", and is just as brain-dead."

by Ingrid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 114 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 8:59:22 AM
 


I am a 47-year-old lifelong Republican with strong libertarian (small 'l') leanings. I have felt the party has left me over the last 8 years, as more money and big-government interest took over the leadership.
xtrabigggI am a 47-year-old lifelong Republican with strong libertarian (small 'l') leanings. I have felt the party has left me over the last 8 years, as more money and big-government interest took over the leadership.

A little song, a little dance...

A little seltzer in the pants! Apparently Mr. Hirschorn is a student of the 'Chuckles The Clown' school of journalism! When you can't answer them with facts, baffle them with bull$#!+... The straw man argument of a Con-Con is an absurd way to criticize Ron Paul, as it is in no way remotely relevant to this (or any other) election. It appears that this one way for him to shoehorn his personal 10 gallon grinding axe into a 5 gallon bucket of- well... you know!

 As for the assertion of the 'cult-like' followers of Ron Paul, I have been in the 'Ron Paul Revolution' for some time now, and have yet to meet any wide-eyed Kool-Aid drinkers. Perhaps he's confusing the Evangelical true believers in the Huckabee camp with the ROn Paul supporters. I know of doctors, lawyers, machinists, housewives, small business owners, retireees, students, disabled people, clerks and many other people of all walks of life that support ROn Paul. The one thing they all have in common is a desire for personal freedom and liberty, and a return to a less oppresive and more responsible and responsive government.

 

The marginalization tack of the anti-Paul crowd is clearly not working, as evidenced by the increasingly shrill and illogical arguments that even the mainstream media finds too silly to promote. Looks like they're returning to that old standby 'Election Fraud' to marginalize Ron Paul. It's going to be a long summer if the rampant fraud continues as private corporations are allowed to count, tamper with and alter the votes and the reporting of results.

 

xtrabiggg

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by xtrabiggg (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 28 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 6:27:57 PM
 

 

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