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July 16, 2007 at 14:34:37

Sicko 2: Moore vs. Gupta

by Andrew S. Taylor (Posted by Jason Miller)     Page 1 of 3 page(s)

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Michael Moore recently went head-to-head with Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN’s chief medical correspondent, over a short, pseudo-journalistic hit-piece crafted by the latter in which Moore is charged with “fudging the facts” in Sicko, his new film about the woeful inadequacy of American health care. Their heated debate on Larry King Live provided little illumination, as both quibbled over figures and source citations. Moore did his best, over the course of five minutes, to refute what amounted to a cheap, underhanded assault on his journalistic credibility, but viewers could easily have come away from the exchange with little appreciation for just how sleazy and manipulative Dr. Gupta’s attack on Moore actually was.

What we never got to see was the much-needed debunking of Gupta’s piece, which was essentially a series of astonishing non sequiturs unified only by an emotional arc of patronizing cautionary tones. Judging from the strategy taken in this piece - very much in line with what I’ve seen elsewhere this past week in The New York Times and other publications known for their elitist air of dignified skepticism - the corporate media’s spin-strategy regarding Sicko is going to be to 1) admit that the most damning facts are true, and 2) convince the public that the price of correcting them is more than we as Americans would want to pay.

Let’s observe how Gupta’s short piece, which can be seen here along with the subsequent “debate”, accomplishes this. The film begins with a straight-up admission that the U.S. does indeed rank a low #37 in the World Health Organization’s world-wide survey for quality of health care. He then continues to show France as #1, Italy at #2, Spain at #7, and the U.K. at #18. But then he “reveals” that Cuba rates a #39, two points below the U.S., as if this fact was somehow concealed in Moore’s film (it was, in fact, quite visible on screen). Moore never concealed this fact, nor did he claim that the United States should emulate Cuba except in one noteworthy respect - of “reaching out to our enemies.” But right off the bat, we can see that Dr. Gupta is setting up Moore as someone whose sympathies have blinded his capacity for objectivity.

The debate over dollar expenditures on health care in Cuba and the U.S., in which Dr. Gupta calls Moore to task for being “slightly off” in his numbers, is a remarkably disingenuous tactic. Dr. Gupta, a journalist as well as a doctor, must be fully aware of the fact that side-by-side comparisons of per capita expenditures in dollar amounts between vastly different economies are inadequate measures of the actual cost of health care relative to the country in question. In Cuba, one dollar is many magnitudes more valuable to the individual citizen than it is in the United States. I suspect that Moore only brought up the $251 figure (initially quoted erroneously as $25 in Dr. Gupta’s piece - probably the work of an inexperienced CNN intern) for Cuba’s per capita spending in his film only to illustrate how disparate the two economies are. The point remains completely unchanged if the amount for Cuba is “actually” $229 as Dr. Gupta claimed. The only purpose in bringing these figures up is to attack Moore’s credibility - this, even though there is absolutely no substantive difference relative to the argument at hand. At any rate, Moore’s charge that Dr. Gupta is using “old data” turns out to be entirely correct - the figures of $6096 per year and $229 per year for the U.S. and Cuba respectively are clearly from the WHO website, which gives 2005 as the date. However, Dr. Gupta’s charge is also correct - Moore uses different sources for the U.S. and Cuba figures, and Moore’s figures for Cuba are even older, dating from 2003, while his figure for the U.S. is a recent projection of expenditures in 2007. It is possible that Moore considered the 2003 data on Cuba to be “more recent”, since it was actually used in the UN’s Human Development Report 2006. Moore also explains on his website that “if the Cuban government gave a figure on 2007 projected health spending, we’d have used it” (It is worth pointing out that, in fact, the two Cuba figures appear to show Cuba’s health-care expenses trending downwards - either that, or Cuba’s economy lost some ground relative to the world economy between 2003 and 2005). But what’s truly revealing about Dr. Gupta’s “correction” of Moore’s figures on Cuba is that they are obviously no more accurate than Moore’s, and his attempt to use them as an example of “fudging” on Moore’s part is nothing short of low-down character assassination.

The only thing more remarkable about the $229 figure is that, being $22 lower, it makes the U.S.’s performance that much more embarrassing. Moore’s recent data on the U.S. demonstrates what has been asserted by policy analysts for some time now; namely, that the cost of health care in the U..S. is growing rapidly ahead of inflation and personal income. Meanwhile, Cuba - a country of comparative poverty and a hobbled industrial base, is able to more or less match the U.S. health-wise. This fact alone should be scandalous - so Gupta’s only option in spinning it is to ignore it completely, and distract the viewers (and Moore) with insubstantial quibbles. (In case I hadn’t made it clear, this is like weighing an elephant and a hamster, and arguing about whether their weights have been offset by the presence of a flea or two).

But Dr. Gupta’s piece only goes from bad to worse on the subject of patient wait- times. Dr. Gupta mentions “non-emergency elective surgery,” in which “a study” reveals that Americans have the next-to-least wait time after Germany. He gives no comparative figures (i.e. what is the difference between best and worst - a wide spread or a marginal one?) and also fails to explain why Germany’s universal coverage bests the U.S. “That’s not something you’ll see in Sicko,” Dr. Gupta admonishes, referring America’s alleged wait-time superiority, “as Americans talk about their lack of coverage, and suffocating red tape.” This is truly a dirty tactic. The phrase “non-emergency elective surgery” goes by in a rush, and, juxtaposed as it is against the phrase “That’s not something you’ll see…” it implies again that Moore has left a crucial flaw in the universal health care systems of other countries out of the picture altogether.

But who did this study, and which countries were involved? The study was done by Commonwealth Fund in 2005, and only six countries were involved. This is exactly the same study Dr. Gupta references a few moments later on, only he doesn’t mention until that point that only six countries were involved. In fact, he leaves the viewer with the impression that he’s referencing the study for the first time at that later moment - most likely because he wants to imply that the U.S. is second best in the world on non-emergency elective wait-times, not just second best out of the six countries surveyed (here, incidentally, are the six countries involved in the study: United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom, and Germany).

There are some other interesting facts mentioned in the study, which can be found here, that somehow didn’t make it into Dr. Gupta’s noble fact-finding mission (all text in italics that follows is directly copied from the study):

It singles out the United States for having problems significantly in excess of any of the other five countries.

-”While sicker patients in all countries reported safety risks, poor care coordination, and inadequate chronic care treatment, with no country deemed best or worst overall, the United States stood out for high error rates, inefficient coordination of care, and high out-of-pocket costs resulting in forgone care.”

Patients in the United States report the highest number of medical errors.

One-third (34%) of U.S. respondents reported at least one of four types of errors: they believed they experienced a medical mistake in treatment or care, were given the wrong medication or dose, were given incorrect test results, or experienced delays in receiving abnormal test results. Three of 10 (30%) Canadian respondents reported at least one of these errors, as did one-fifth or more of patients in Australia (27%), New Zealand (25%), Germany (23%), and the U.K. (22%).

Patients in the United States spend the most, and get the least access for their money.

As was found in past surveys, the U.S. is an outlier in terms of financial burdens placed on patients. One–half of adults with health problems in the U.S. said they did not see a doctor when sick, did not get recommended treatment, or did not fill a prescription because of cost. Despite these high rates of forgone care, one-third of U.S. patients spent more than $1,000 out-of-pocket in the past year. In contrast, just 13 percent of U.K. adults reported not getting needed care because of costs, and two-thirds had no out-of-pocket costs.

But here comes the ultimate humdinger; a trick of editing that is downright diabolical. Dr. Gupta intones: “But in Canada, you can be waiting for a long time. A survey of six industrialized nations found that only Canada was worse than the U.S. when it came to waiting for a doctors appointment for a medical problem.”

Let’s hit the pause button..the big, evil edit is only seconds away. What has Dr. Gupta just said? Let’s paraphrase (and remember also that Dr. Gupta has only just now explained that the study only covered six countries, and creates the false impression that this moment is the first time in his report in which the study is cited). Out of 6 industrialized countries, the U.S. ranks number five for waiting periods, and Canada ranks 6th. In other words, the other four countries (Dr. Gupta, incidentally, never tells us who those four contries are, lest we learn that it’s those crazy socialists somehow besting us again) have less of a waiting time than the U.S.

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wteagueSocial Worker in Maryland and DC.

Great article on Gupta, but missed one serious effort by Gup

Great review. I will use it when discussing Sicko. But I believe you didn't mention one additional effort by Gupta not only to discredit Moore and health care for all, but to champion medicine for profit. I think near the end, he declared that Moore was attacking or sacrificing one of the most important things about US health care, the right to buy care from whomever you want! He was reinforcing the long propagandized idea that the right of those with money to buy medical care is paramount and so important, that it justifies a system that fails to provide service to millions and even denegrates the quality of care to millions more. Moore did fairly well under the onslaught, but missed a few oportunies. For one, he should have countered Gupta's repeated assertion that care is free in .... by clarifying the point by saying medical care is "free of charge" and that paying for care through taxes is more fair. Actually what insurance was supposed to be!
Thanks for the great piece.

by wteague (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, July 16, 2007 at 9:04:40 PM
 


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Dale HillIs a 34 year retired educator with a Masters Degree in Counseling - a free-lance writer with articles in Spanish and English Guideposts, Mothering, Oklahoma Observer, Oklahoma Gazette, Westview, Oklahoma Reader, The Lookout, Christian Standard ... . The author has the largest number of published "letters" in the history of Time magazine and NEA Today. Just had an LTTE in NEWSWEEK in December, 2007. Dale W. Hill is married with 5 children, 4 grand-children, one foster child, and 4 foster grandchi...

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Gupta Blinded

Gupta could never get it out of his head that those other countries' health services were free.

"Michael, they're not free. They are paid by taxes that you and I would pay."

"No, Dr. Gupta, they're free. Anyone needing services, gets it. It is free to all, working and non-working." How many times did Moore say that?

The interesting part was how much the doctors' in France and UK were paid. Well enough to buy a Mercedes and live in a big house with all of the "fineries." If they wanted more rich stuff, they could move to the US.

I took a diving-dumpster 2nd grader, who had been helping her crazy mother, search for cans, to buy lunch meat, ... to the doctor. The dumpster fell on her ankle, when she exited the large metal trash bin. He X-Rayed it, and no bones were broken, although her foot was almost a black as night. On the way out, my doctor whispered, "Don't bring me any more patients like that. We need patients who are paying or have good insurance!" Sadly, my doctor, him, is dying of cancer in his early 50's, and his goal was to make enough money to retire and move to the Keyes living the life of Jimmy Buffet.

"Fool, you build bigger barns and more barns to fill with your bumper harvest; yet, tomorrow your lottery number could be called for your grave-side service." (Paraphrased from The New Testament)

by Dale Hill (58 articles, 0 quicklinks, 102 diaries, 347 comments) on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 at 3:08:06 AM
 


From   Loving  America   to   virtual   despise.Would   love   to  be  able  to  admire  and respect  this huge country  again which is  so  fortunate in  being  so  wealthy in  natural resources.I am quiet happy living in  my poor  little country and I  love  the freedom that goes with  it,  plus   the  sunshine and  ...

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JessianaFrom   Loving  America   to   virtual   despise.Would   love   to  be  able  to  admire  and respect  this huge country  again which is  so  fortunate in  being  so  wealthy in  natural resources.I am quiet happy living in  my poor  little country and I  love  the freedom that goes with  it,  plus   the  sunshine and  ...

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Really Sick......... Gupta

Quiet  right  Mr  Miller,  I  live  in  Portugal, am  at  the  moment unemployed,

so, dnt even pay  any  taxes, since all workers in  this  country have to pay for Social  Security (  pension  and  healthcare ), 11 % of  the  salary goes directly in  the  Soc. Sec.  System (  the  boss pays  about  23%-  total 34,5% ) ...  but   still  I  am entitled to healthcare  available in  this country, it  will  not  be    5  star  hotel ,  but  there will  always be  a  doctor and  treatment  for  me,  no  matter   if  it  is  a mere sore  throat or  cancer. .. and  after  having  worked   for  15   years   I  am  entitled  to  a  pension  at  the age  of  62.

 

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Tom DawsonA reader trying to understand what the best solutions are for our problems

Interesting review

It seems that even Gupta can agree that there are problems with the current system. And most seem to feel that some form of nationalized health insurance will fix the problems. But with the absolute corruption of the political system by money from the pharmeceutical companies, how can anyone think that letting the government run anything will be of benefit?! Kind of like the fix guarding the henhouse, don't you think?

And please don't tell me that getting Bush and his cronies out of the White House will fix the problem. We have seen the absolutely pathetic lack of effort by the newly elected Democrats to do anything that the voters elected them to do.

We no longer have a government we can trust. It has been moving in that direction for years. Bush has just pushed it even further than most of us could imagine. How can we trust them to fix healthcare when we cannot trust them to do anything else? That won't change any time soon.

by Tom Dawson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 13 comments) on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 at 9:47:44 AM
 


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HIGHER TAXES

Let us not let opponents of health-care reform scare us with the false claim that nations with universal health care pay "higher taxes" and the US would if we adopted such a system.

Let's call a tax a tax.

American workers are taxed for Medicare and Medicaid. And those on Medicare pay almost $100 a month for their coverage. It is called a "premium" not a tax, but it is a tax. Call it such.

No one gets free health insurance from an employer. Workers earn the money that is paid to insurance companies for health care. The money is considered "diverted compensation" that is, earned by workers but diverted to a third-party corporation. That is a form of taxation and should be called as such

Co-pay and out-of-pocket expenses would be replaced by taxes so they should be called taxes.

A tax by any other name is still a tax.

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