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March 13, 2008 at 14:41:50

David Spangler and Me on "Winning at All Costs"

by Andrew Bard Schmookler     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

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On the thread on my website in which my piece, posted here yesterday, entitled "What Hillary Has Now Shown About Herself," the noted spiritual thinker, David Spangler, posted some thoughtful comments, which included this passage:

what Obama is up against is not just Hillary nor eventually McCain, but a mindset, held by millions of good people, that this is how the game is played, winning is essential at all costs. It’s not just that Hillary has decided to take the low road and now can’t be trusted or has become as evil as Bush; it’s that for many people, this isn’t even perceived as a “low road” but as “the” road. Divide and conquer, and you divide by fear or any other means. This is the tragedy of our times, and while we can argue Bush has intensified it and turned it into policy, he’s not the first by any means, nor could he have done so unless it was already present as a mindset that this is the way the world works.


About this comment, I want to say several things, first among which is that it is an excellent point. My thanks to David for expanding the picture in that direction.


Second, I'd like to point out that David's excellent point both instantiates and substantiates the central thesis of my work (on my website NoneSoBlind.org) from the outset: namely, that the coming of this darkness to power in the political realm would not have been possible without its being part of the larger picture of a breakdown in moral structures in American culture generally. In this particular instance, the breakdown has to do with how much power ideas having to do with fair play and honesty and principle have to restrain individuals and groups in their striving for advantage, gain, power, victory. When the power of those principles that serve Wholeness is great, the ability of selfishness and lust for power to subvert Wholeness is less. When the power of those moral structures of Wholeness falls with the erosion of those structures, then the destructive power of people's selfish and sadistic lusts increases. And that, as David Spangler just put it, is part of "the tragedy of our times."

Third, a basic truth warrants stating again in this context, a propos of the idea that for many people "this isn't even perceived as a 'low road' but as 'the' road": that people are made up of many elements, and that even many of the people who have this space in which "winning is essential at all costs," there is also within them --as I expect David would agree, given what he says about those kind and considerate people who have embraced Bush-- a belief in the sacred value of fair play and truthfulness and restraint of self-assertion by principle. So there emerges the political/spiritual task of summoning back into the picture that better part of the self to predominate over the more broken part that the evil leader specializes in bringing forth from their followers. This basic truth about the combination of good and evil elements in people is why I make so frequent use of Lincoln's phrase, "the better angels of our nature.

Which leads to my fourth thought in response to this: namely, that I believe that David's point could be regarded as pointing toward an area that Obama should begin to address with more strength and focus and heart: Obama should talk about the need to change the game into one where fairness and principle, and not just "winning at all costs," are how people conduct themselves. This theme would embrace not only the kind of rhetorical strategy against Hillary's low-road "winning ugly is good enough for me" tactics, in the manner I argued for in "Here's How Obama Should Fight Back." It also could embrace the major problems the Bushite way has created for America both at home and abroad. It embraces having our country behave in a way --e.g. in Iraq-- that turns all our old friends against us, for breaking our own rules about when and why our nation would go to war, for breaking our own rules about torture and the rule of law. And it also embraces the fascistic merging of corporate power and government power to conduct a massive fleecing of the American people --by not protecting workers, by having a drug bill that enriches Big Pharma, by creating pension law that leaves the people out in the cold and protects Big Money, etc. etc. Into such a rubric of "let's bring back fairness and principle and self-restraint and let's end this 'win at all costs' and 'who cares who gets hurt or what gets destroyed' ethic," Obama could focus his message, contrast himself with Hillary, and give the American people a clearer notion than he's given so far of what kind of choice --what kind of CHANGE-- he represents for them.

 

Andrew Bard Schmookler's website www.nonesoblind.org is devoted to understanding the roots of America's present moral crisis and the means by which the urgent challenge of this dangerous moment can be met. Dr. Schmookler is also the author of such books as The Parable of the Tribes: The Problem of Power in Social Evolution (SUNY Press) and Debating the Good Society: A Quest to Bridge America's Moral Divide (M.I.T. Press). He also conducts regular talk-radio conversations in both red and blue states.

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Young retired yank of 59 living in the highlands o Scotland. Been out of the old country for 20 some years now. I'm with the Dali Lama, kindness is the only thing that will work. LOVE cycling on or off road. My wife is a wonderful girl from Manchester England.We're haven fun.
davyYoung retired yank of 59 living in the highlands o Scotland. Been out of the old country for 20 some years now. I'm with the Dali Lama, kindness is the only thing that will work. LOVE cycling on or off road. My wife is a wonderful girl from Manchester England.We're haven fun.

David Spangler

Andrew,  your article prompted me to go to your web site which I found quite interesting, especially the article on David Spangler's dream.  I arrived at the Findhorn Foundation just after David left and I met him and read his writings. I have great respect for him as he was a huge help to Peter and Ilene Caddy who started the foundation.  I always felt David had a tendancy to over analize his guidance.  I used to say, "just take what you get and don't think about it".  I found his dreams quite interesting and I see things just the same way.  If he felt that good after his Obama Dream THAT is a good place to stop.  His Hillary dream was, as I, one man, sees it, was SPOT on.   It is interesting to watch family function/disfunction played out on the nationial stage.  Thanks for a thoughtful piece.

by davy (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 241 comments) on Friday, March 14, 2008 at 12:34:23 PM
 


Former Lawyer, current Business Consultant,history buff, Christian, father of 2 sons and a supporter of democratic government.
ArchieFormer Lawyer, current Business Consultant,history buff, Christian, father of 2 sons and a supporter of democratic government.

At all costs

Thank you. I've known for years that winning at all costs, using deceit, dirty tricks, torture, murder and mayhem amongst other egregious activities destroys the true value of winning. It, unfortunately, has been the American ideal for a very long time, that winning is of the utmost importance and not how you play the game. Now everyone who has to deal with Americans are on their toes searching for the dirty tricks lurking in the background.

by Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 974 comments) on Friday, March 14, 2008 at 2:28:21 PM
 

 

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