They do not go after her  this time because this time they want her to become a candidate. Both camps. Hillary Clinton is maybe the only 100% losing Dem. candidate for the Y2008. She GUARANTEES the GOP Presidency and that's her job. That is why the crucial and bity  campaigns are not run, that is why no one mentiones the bizarre behavior of Hillary  in the Y1999 and Y2000 when she first endorsed the Kosovo war and then  practically undermined Gore. That is why no one even considers tackling her real  character which is opportunism down to the core.  They want her here. It is her time to play the role.

I would advise all the gender- oriented folks to sit on their tuheses for a while ( no offense). There is no gender in politics, except maybe sleeping with young interns. Politics is  cold as a cucumber.  All those gender speculations  are USED obviously to distract us from the real forces that are money, power, crime, interest and greed.

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4103 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Nov 9, 2007 at 8:27:22 AM

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I agree with your points about money & power. But gender is part of that. A white man once pretended to be black, to understand that experience, and wrote about it in "Black Like Me." Short of what was depicted in the movie "Tootsie," I'd suggest you'd ask the women in your life what it's like to apply for a job, or to ask for a raise, or to be the only woman in a job category, or to (gasp!) work while pregnant. Or ask them about looking for a job, after raising a family from home - and ask yourself why that isn't considered to be job-related experience the way military service is. Ask them what happens when they walk into a car dealership alone.

If gender isn't an issue, why is a female presidential candidate so rare? How many female CEO's are there? 

I'm a baby-boomer. I once took a human relations course in which the class was asked to choose between a hypothetical man & a hypothetical woman to give a raise to. The majority of the class, including the professor, sided w/the man, since he had a family to raise, and against the woman, since she was engaged to someone w/a good job.

A few years ago, I had dinner in a country club. During the dinner, our host "bragged" that the club wouldn't have allowed me entry as a woman alone.

It's hard to see the issues of a discriminated-against group from the outside. 

by Amy Fried (45 articles, 127 quicklinks, 77 diaries, 247 comments) on Friday, Nov 9, 2007 at 9:19:46 AM

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for which I apologize.  I would maybe state that Hillary was a bad example. The issue of the women equality is an economic and/or religious I would say because, surely lutheran religion, predominant here, in the US is very heavy on economic  fortification of men.  It  kinda makes sense ( please, do not immediately dismiss it) because  the true independence of a man comes with how he looks like in the society while for a woman it comes from what she pursues herself. I am not insisting on those perceptions. though.  I was not born here, the society I lived  before adopted total formal equality of women which had many good things, like a month paid vacation   before  birth and half-year paid vacation after but  in all along it resulted in  total disenfranchisement of men- they had nothing to do.  As  a result they degraded, got bored and also lost the incentive to care.  I am a man, I know:)

Returning to Hillary I would say that there are a plenty of great women which I am sure could be praised much more often.  Martha Corey from 1692 who said that there was no witches,  Harriett Tubman, Ethel Lilian Voynich, Harper Lee, Joan D' Arc for goodness sake,  Mother Maria,  Maria Kallas,  Maya Plisetskaya, - all those women  were not the CEOs, they were   dedicated to their cause. Is power a goal for women?  I would argue that only equality is a goal but that equality does not mean that women should praise someone female who successfully adopted the worst possible tools of the mangame. Be aware , please, that women are the same as men as humans and the human problems will not go away if a woman is at the helm. Those are wrong hopes.

I would assume, Amy that you surely know all those things I lament above. Tell you what, if instead of Hillary we had someone like Donna Brazil, for instance  ( and they would treat here with the same respect) I would be the first to  celebrate.

Thanks

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4103 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Nov 9, 2007 at 12:26:53 PM

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Nah, I didn't think you were condescending, just wanted you to think about some things.

I am no fan of Hillary. I sincerely hope she is not the nominee, for lots of reasons. I don't like her positions, & I don't believe she's electable - unlike her husband, she doesn't know how to connect.

 If we're picking female candidates, I think my favorite would be Barbara Boxer. During the whole 2000 selection fiasco, I kept asking, "Where was Donna Brazille?" She seemed to play a passive role during those crucial days, so I wouldn't pick her.

by Amy Fried (45 articles, 127 quicklinks, 77 diaries, 247 comments) on Sunday, Nov 11, 2007 at 11:51:03 AM

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Nah, I didn't think you were condescending, just wanted you to think about some things.

I am no fan of Hillary. I sincerely hope she is not the nominee, for lots of reasons. I don't like her positions, & I don't believe she's electable - unlike her husband, she doesn't know how to connect.

 If we're picking female candidates, I think my favorite would be Barbara Boxer. During the whole 2000 selection fiasco, I kept asking, "Where was Donna Brazille?" She seemed to play a passive role during those crucial days, so I wouldn't pick her.

by Amy Fried (45 articles, 127 quicklinks, 77 diaries, 247 comments) on Sunday, Nov 11, 2007 at 11:51:32 AM

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