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Radioactive Ammunition Fired in Middle East May Claim More Lives Than Hiroshima and Nagasaki

by Sherwood Ross

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By firing radioactive ammunition, the U.S., U.K., and Israel may have triggered a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East that, over time, will prove deadlier than the U.S. atomic bombing of Japan. 

So much ammunition containing depleted uranium(DU) has been fired, asserts nuclear authority Leuren Moret, “The genetic future of the Iraqi people for the most part, is destroyed.” 

“More than ten times the amount of radiation released during atmospheric testing (of nuclear bombs) has been released from depleted uranium weaponry since 1991,” Moret writes, including radioactive ammunition fired by Israeli troops in Palestine. 

Moret is an independent U.S. scientist formerly employed for five years at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and also at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, both of California. 

Adds Arthur Bernklau, of Veterans For Constitutional Law, “The long-term effect of DU is a virtual death sentence. Iraq is a toxic wasteland. Anyone who is there stands a good chance of coming down with cancer and leukemia. In Iraq, the birth rate of mutations is totally out of control.” 

Moret, a Berkeley, Calif., Environmental Commissioner and past president of the Association for Women Geoscientists, says, “For every genetic defect that we can see now, in future generations there are thousands more that will be expressed.”

She adds, “the (Iraq) environment now is completely radioactive.”

 Dr. Helen Caldicott, the prominent anti-nuclear crusader, has written: “Much of the DU is in cities such as Baghdad, where half the population of 5 million people are children who played in the burned-out tanks and on the sandy, dusty ground.” 

“Children are 10 to 20 times more susceptible to the carcinogenic effects of radiation than adults,” Caldicott wrote. “My pediatric colleagues in Basra, where this ordnance was used in 1991, report a sevenfold increase in childhood cancer and a sevenfold increase in gross congenital abnormalities,” she wrote in her book, “Nuclear Power is not the Answer”(The New Press). 

Caldicott goes on to say the two Gulf wars “have been nuclear wars because they have scattered nuclear material across the land, and people---particularly children--- are condemned to die of malignancy and congenital disease essentially for eternity.” 

 Because of the extremely long half-life of uranium 238, one of the radioactive elements in the shells fired, “the food, the air, and the water in the cradle of civilization have been forever contaminated,” Caldicott explained.

 Uranium is a heavy metal that enters the body via inhalation into the lung or via ingestion into the GI tract. It is excreted by the kidney, where, if the dose is high enough, it can induce renal failure or kidney cancer. It also lodges in the bones where it causes bone cancer and leukemia, and it is excreted in the semen, where it mutates genes in the sperm, leading to birth deformities.

 Nuclear contamination is spreading around the world, Caldicott adds, with heaviest concentrations in regions within a 1,000-mile radius of Baghdad and Afghanistan.

These are, notably, northern India, southern Russia, Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Tibet, Pakistan, Kuwait, the Gulf emirates, and Jordan. 

“Downwind from the radioactive devastation in Iraq, Israel is also suffering from large increases in breast cancer, leukemia and childhood diabetes,” Moret asserts.

Doug Rokke, formerly the top U.S. Army DU clean-up officer and now anti-DU crusader, says Israeli tankers fired radioactive shells during the invasion of Lebanon last year. U.S. and NATO forces also used DU ammunition in Kosovo. Rokke says he is quite ill from the effects of DU and that members of his clean-up crew have died from it. 

As a result of DU bombardments, Caldicott writes, “Severe birth defects have been reported in babies born to contaminated civilians in Iraq, Yugoslavia, and Afghanistan and the incidence and severity of defects is increasing over time.”

Like symptoms have been reported among infants born to U.S. service personnel that fought in the Gulf Wars. One survey of 251 returned Gulf War veterans from Mississippi made by the Veterans Administration found 67% of children born to them suffered from “severe illnesses and deformities.”  

Some were born without brains or vital organs or with no arms, hands, or arms, or with hands attached to their shoulders.

 While U.S. officials deny DU ammunition is dangerous, it is a fact Gulf War veterans were the first Americans ever to fight on a radioactive battlefield, and their children apparently are the first known to display these ghastly deformities. 

Soldiers who survived being hit by radioactive ammunition, as well as those who fired it, are falling ill, often showing signs of radiation sickness.  Of the 700,000 U.S. veterans of the first Gulf War, more than 240,000 are on permanent medical disability and 11,000 are dead, published reports indicate.

 This is an astonishing toll from such a short conflict in which fewer than 400 U.S. soldiers were killed on the battlefield. 

 Of course, “depleted uranium munitions were and remain another causative factor behind Gulf War Syndrome(GWS),” writes Francis Boyle, a leading American authority on international law in his book “Biowarfare and Terrorism,” from Clarity Press Inc.

 “The Pentagon continues to deny that there is such a medical phenomenon categorized as GWS---even beyond the point where everyone knows that denial is pure propaganda and disinformation,” Boyle writes. 

Boyle contends, “The Pentagon will never own up to the legal, economic, tortious, political, and criminal consequences of admitting the existence of GWS. So U.S. and U.K. veterans of Gulf War I as well as their afterborn children will continue to suffer and die. The same will prove true for U.S. and U.S. veterans of Bush Jr.’s Gulf War II as well as their afterborn children.”

 Boyle said the use of DU is outlawed under the 1925 Geneva Convention prohibiting poison gas.

 Chalmers Johnson, president of the Japan Policy Research Institute, writes in his “The Sorrows of Empire”(Henry Holt and Co.) that, given the abnormal clusters of childhood cancers and deformities in Iraq as well as Kosovo, the evidence points “toward a significant role for DU.” 

 By insisting on its use, Johnson adds, “the military is deliberately flouting a 1996 United Nations resolution that classifies DU ammunition as an illegal weapon of mass destruction.”  

Moret calls DU “the Trojan Horse of nuclear war.” She describes it as “the weapon that keeps killing.” Indeed, the half-life of Uranium-238 is 4.5-billion years, and as it decays it spawns other deadly radioactive by-products. 

Radioactive fallout from DU apparently blew far and wide. Following the initial U.S. bombardment of Iraq in 2003, DU particles traveled 2,400 miles to Great Britain in about a week, where atmospheric radiation quadrupled. 

 But it is in the Middle East, predominantly Iraq, where the bulk of the radioactive waste has been dumped.

 In the early Nineties, the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority warned that 50 tons of dust from DU explosions could claim a half million lives from cancer by year 2000. Not 50 tons, but an estimated two thousand radioactive tons have been fired off in the Middle East, suggesting the possibility over time of an even higher death toll.

 Dr. Keith Baverstock, a World Health Organization radiation advisor, informed the media, Iraq’s arid climate would increase exposure from its tiny particles as they are blown about and inhaled by the civilian population for years to come. 

The civilian death toll from the August, 1945, U.S. atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki has been put at 140,000 and 80,000, respectively. Over time, however, deaths from radiation sickness are thought to have claimed the lives of another 100,000 Japanese civilians.       

                          #(Sherwood Ross is a Miami, Florida-based free-lance writer who covers military and political topics. Reach him at sherwoodr1@yahoo.com. Ross has worked as a reporter for the Chicago Daily News and several wire services and is a contributor to national magazines.) 

 

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The Sandunes have eyes Part VIII

I read these articles about DU and the linkage to birth defects, and death..  YET, there is not a single reference to evidence suggesting this is so.  I would suggest that this is a "scientist" fishing for research grants, and the more horrific she can make this sound, the more money her research will get!  It is a sad reality.

 Until I see some real evidence, I am disinclined to believe a word of it.

Ciao, CZ 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 4:13:30 PM

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Reply: what evidence are you seeking?

What sort of evidence do you seek? Have you seen none of the photographs? Have you seen none of the programs put out over the past several years? Do a bit of your OWN research...

by paz love (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 71 comments) on Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 6:42:28 PM

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Reply: How About Words from the Horse's Mouth

Here is an AP article from last year that interviews men suffering from DU, which also mentions how it took the Pentagon and VA decades to admit that Agent Orange was hazardous. Government studies usually aren't worth the paper they are written on:
Sickened Iraq vets cite depleted uranium

By DEBORAH HASTINGS AP National Writer

 © 2006 The Associated Press

NEW YORK — It takes at least 10 minutes and a large glass of orange juice to wash down all the pills _ morphine, methadone, a muscle relaxant, an antidepressant, a stool softener. Viagra for sexual dysfunction. Valium for his nerves.

Four hours later, Herbert Reed will swallow another 15 mg of morphine to cut the pain clenching every part of his body. He will do it twice more before the day is done.

Since he left a bombed-out train depot in Iraq, his gums bleed. There is more blood in his urine, and still more in his stool. Bright light hurts his eyes. A tumor has been removed from his thyroid. Rashes erupt everywhere, itching so badly they seem to live inside his skin. Migraines cleave his skull. His joints ache, grating like door hinges in need of oil.

There is something massively wrong with Herbert Reed, though no one is sure what it is. He believes he knows the cause, but he cannot convince anyone caring for him that the military's new favorite weapon has made him terrifyingly sick.

In the sprawling bureaucracy of the Department of Veterans Affairs, he has many caretakers. An internist, a neurologist, a pain-management specialist, a psychologist, an orthopedic surgeon and a dermatologist. He cannot function without his stupefying arsenal of medications, but they exact a high price.

"I'm just a zombie walking around," he says.

Reed believes depleted uranium has contaminated him and his life. He now walks point in a vitriolic war over the Pentagon's arsenal of it _ thousands of shells and hundreds of tanks coated with the metal that is radioactive, chemically toxic, and nearly twice as dense as lead.

A shell coated with depleted uranium pierces a tank like a hot knife through butter, exploding on impact into a charring inferno. As tank armor, it repels artillery assaults. It also leaves behind a fine radioactive dust with a half-life of 4.5 billion years.

Depleted uranium is the garbage left from producing enriched uranium for nuclear weapons and energy plants. It is 60 percent as radioactive as natural uranium. The U.S. has an estimated 1.5 billion pounds of it, sitting in hazardous waste storage sites across the country. Meaning it is plentiful and cheap as well as highly effective.

Reed says he unknowingly breathed DU dust while living with his unit in Samawah, Iraq. He was med-evaced out in July 2003, nearly unable to walk because of lightning-strike pains from herniated discs in his spine. Then began a strange series of symptoms he'd never experienced in his previously healthy life.

At Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C, he ran into a buddy from his unit. And another, and another, and in the tedium of hospital life between doctor visits and the dispensing of meds, they began to talk.

"We all had migraines. We all felt sick," Reed says. "The doctors said, 'It's all in your head.' "

Then the medic from their unit showed up. He too, was suffering. That made eight sick soldiers from the 442nd Military Police, an Army National Guard unit made up of mostly cops and correctional officers from the New York area.

But the medic knew something the others didn't.

Dutch marines had taken over the abandoned train depot dubbed Camp Smitty, which was surrounded by tank skeletons, unexploded ordnance and shell casings. They'd brought radiation-detection devices. The readings were so hot, the Dutch set up camp in the middle of the desert rather than live in the station ruins.

"We got on the Internet," Reed said, "and we started researching depleted uranium."

Then they contacted The New York Daily News, which paid for sophisticated urine tests available only overseas.

Then they hired a lawyer.

Reed, Gerard Matthew, Raymond Ramos, Hector Vega, Augustin Matos, Anthony Yonnone, Jerry Ojeda and Anthony Phillip all have depleted uranium in their urine, according to tests done in December 2003, while they bounced for months between Walter Reed and New Jersey's Fort Dix medical center, seeking relief that never came.

The analyses were done in Germany, by a Frankfurt professor who developed a depleted uranium test with Randall Parrish, a professor of isotope geology at the University of Leicester in Britain.

The veterans, using their positive results as evidence, have sued the U.S. Army, claiming officials knew the hazards of depleted uranium, but concealed the risks.

The Department of Defense says depleted uranium is powerful and safe, and not that worrisome.

Four of the highest-registering samples from Frankfurt were sent to the VA. Those results were negative, Reed said. "Their test just isn't as sophisticated," he said. "And when we first asked to be tested, they told us there wasn't one. They've lied to us all along."

The VA's testing methodology is safe and accurate, the agency says. More than 2,100 soldiers from the current war have asked to be tested; only 8 had DU in their urine, the VA said.

The term depleted uranium is linguistically radioactive. Simply uttering the words can prompt a reaction akin to preaching atheism at tent revival. Heads shake, eyes roll, opinions are yelled from all sides.

"The Department of Defense takes the position that you can eat it for breakfast and it poses no threat at all," said Steve Robinson of the National Gulf War Resource Center, which helps veterans with various problems, including navigating the labyrinth of VA health care. "Then you have far-left groups that ... declare it a crime against humanity."

Several countries use it as weaponry, including Britain, which fired it during the 2003 Iraq invasion.

An estimated 286 tons of DU munitions were fired by the U.S. in Iraq and Kuwait in 1991. An estimated 130 tons were shot toppling Saddam Hussein.

Depleted uranium can enter the human body by inhalation, the most dangerous method; by ingesting contaminated food or eating with contaminated hands; by getting dust or debris in an open wound, or by being struck by shrapnel, which often is not removed because doing so would be more dangerous than leaving it.

Inhaled, it can lodge in the lungs. As with imbedded shrapnel, this is doubly dangerous _ not only are the particles themselves physically destructive, they emit radiation.

A moderate voice on the divisive DU spectrum belongs to Dan Fahey, a doctoral student at the University of California at Berkeley, who has studied the issue for years and also served in the Gulf War before leaving the military as a conscientious objector.

"I've been working on this since '93 and I've just given up hope," he said. "I've spoken to successive federal committees and elected officials ... who then side with the Pentagon. Nothing changes."

At the other end are a collection of conspiracy-theorists and Internet proselytizers who say using such weapons constitutes genocide. Two of the most vocal opponents recently suggested that a depleted-uranium missile, not a hijacked jetliner, struck the Pentagon in 2001.

"The bottom line is it's more hazardous than the Pentagon admits," Fahey said, "but it's not as hazardous as the hard-line activist groups say it is. And there's a real dearth of information about how DU affects humans."

There are several studies on how it affects animals, though their results are not, of course, directly applicable to humans. Military research on mice shows that depleted uranium can enter the bloodstream and come to rest in bones, the brain, kidneys and lymph nodes. Other research in rats shows that DU can result in cancerous tumors and genetic mutations, and pass from mother to unborn child, resulting in birth defects.

Iraqi doctors reported significant increases in birth defects and childhood cancers after the 1991 invasion.

Iraqi authorities "found that uranium, which affected the blood cells, had a serious impact on health: The number of cases of leukemia had increased considerably, as had the incidence of fetal deformities," the U.N. reported.

Depleted uranium can also contaminate soil and water, and coat buildings with radioactive dust, which can by carried by wind and sandstorms.

In 2005, the U.N. Environmental Program identified 311 polluted sites in Iraq. Cleaning them will take at least $40 million and several years, the agency said. Nothing can start until the fighting stops.

Fifteen years after it was first used in battle, there is only one U.S. government study monitoring veterans exposed to depleted uranium.

Number of soldiers in the survey: 32. Number of soldiers in both Iraq wars: more than 900,000.

The study group's size is controversial _ far too small, say experts including Fahey _ and so are the findings of the voluntary, Baltimore-based study.

It has found "no clinically significant" health effects from depleted uranium exposure in the study subjects, according to its researchers.

Critics say the VA has downplayed participants' health problems, including not reporting one soldier who developed cancer, and another who developed a bone tumor.

So for now, depleted uranium falls into the quagmire of Gulf War Syndrome, from which no treatment has emerged despite the government's spending of at least $300 million.

About 30 percent of the 700,000 men and women who served in the first Gulf War still suffer a baffling array of symptoms very similar to those reported by Reed's unit.

Depleted uranium has long been suspected as a possible contributor to Gulf War Syndrome, and in the mid-90s, veterans helped push the military into tracking soldiers exposed to it.

But for all their efforts, what they got in the end was a questionnaire dispensed to homeward-bound soldiers asking about mental health, nightmares, losing control, exposure to dangerous and radioactive chemicals.

But, the veterans persisted, how would soldiers know they'd been exposed? Radiation is invisible, tasteless, and has no smell. And what exhausted, homesick, war-addled soldier would check a box that would only send him or her to a military medical center to be poked and prodded and questioned and tested?

It will take years to determine how depleted uranium affected soldiers from this war. After Vietnam, veterans, in numbers that grew with the passage of time, complained of joint aches, night sweats, bloody feces, migraine headaches, unexplained rashes and violent behavior; some developed cancers.

It took more than 25 years for the Pentagon to acknowledge that Agent Orange _ a corrosive defoliant used to melt the jungles of Vietnam and flush out the enemy _ was linked to those sufferings.

It took 40 years for the military to compensate sick World War II vets exposed to massive blasts of radiation during tests of the atomic bomb.

In 2002, Congress voted to not let that happen again.

It established the Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans' Illnesses _ comprised of scientists, physicians and veterans advocates. It reports to the secretary of Veterans Affairs.

Its mandate is to judge all research and all efforts to treat Gulf War Syndrome patients against a single standard: Have sick soldiers been made better?

The answer, according to the committee, is no.

"Regrettably, after four years of operation neither the Committee nor (the) VA can report progress toward this goal," stated its December 2005 report. "Research has not produced effective treatments for these conditions nor shown that existing treatments are significantly effective."

And so time marches on, as do soldiers going to, and returning from, the deserts of Iraq.

Herbert Reed is an imposing man, broad shouldered and tall. He strides into the VA Medical Center in the Bronx with the presence of a cop or a soldier. Since the Vietnam War, he has been both.

His hair is perfect, his shirt spotless, his jeans sharply creased. But there is something wrong, a niggling imperfection made more noticeable by a bearing so disciplined. It is a limp _ more like a hitch in his get-along.

It is the only sign, albeit a tiny one, that he is extremely sick.

Even sleep offers no release. He dreams of gunfire and bombs and soldiers who scream for help. No matter how hard he tries, he never gets there in time.

At 54, he is a veteran of two wars and a 20-year veteran of the New York Police Department, where he last served as an assistant warden at the Riker's Island prison.

He was in perfect health, he says, before being deployed to Iraq.

According to military guidelines, he should have heard the words depleted uranium long before he ended up at Walter Reed. He should have been trained about its dangers, and how to avoid prolonged exposure to its toxicity and radioactivity. He says he didn't get anything of the kind. Neither did other reservists and National Guard soldiers called up for the current war, according to veterans' groups.

Reed and the seven brothers from his unit hate what has happened to them, and they speak of it at public seminars and in politicians' offices. It is something no VA doctor can explain; something that leaves them feeling like so many spent shell rounds, kicked to the side of battle.

But for every outspoken soldier like them, there are silent veterans like Raphael Naboa, an Army artillery scout who served 11 months in the northern Sunni Triangle, only to come home and fall apart.

Some days he feels fine. "Some days I can't get out of bed," he said from his home in Colorado.

Now 29, he's had growths removed from his brain. He has suffered a small stroke _ one morning he was shaving, having put down the razor to rinse his face. In that moment, he blacked out and pitched over.

"Just as quickly as I lost consciousness, I regained it," he said. "Except I couldn't move the right side of my body."

After about 15 minutes, the paralysis ebbed.

He has mentioned depleted uranium to his VA doctors, who say he suffers from a series of "non-related conditions." He knows he was exposed to DU.

"A lot of guys went trophy-hunting, grabbing bayonets, helmets, stuff that was in the vehicles that were destroyed by depleted uranium. My guys were rooting around in it. I was trying to get them out of the vehicles."

No one in the military talked to him about depleted uranium, he said. His knowledge, like Reed's, is self-taught from the Internet.

Unlike Reed, he has not gone to war over it. He doesn't feel up to the fight. There is no known cure for what ails him, and so no possible victory in battle.

He'd really just like to feel normal again. And he knows of others who feel the same.

"an artillery scout, these are folks who are in pretty good shape. Your Rangers, your Special Forces guys, they're in as good as shape as a professional athlete.

"Then we come back and we're all sick."

They feel like men who once were warriors and now are old before their time, with no hope for relief from a multitude of miseries that has no name.

HoustonChronicle.com -- http://www.HoustonChronicle.com | Section: National news

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by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 240 diaries, 1414 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 8:29:20 PM

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Reply: please refer to my post at the end of this..

Thank you

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 12:49:54 PM

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Reply: Yea and Bush talks to GOD

Why is it that people with a name that starts with a S don't believe something that has been proven and re proven. If you doubt the story why not check the VA in Mississippi.  I only wish that I could find the Documentary that PBS aired years ago with a production crew the US Government hired to cover Atomic bomb testing in the early days. Of course you and many like you won't believe that our people were used as live guinea pigs. Half were ordered to stand and face the blast site and the other half to take cover in jeeps and trucks. I remember how one of the Officers who had some brains refused orders and took cover in a big ditch, they said that he faced charges later.  As the movie went on the narrator made note of how many of the production crew died later then after the film ended a note was made of how the narrator also passed away.  Radioactive waste has been a huge problem from the day it was invented, maybe you don't know how we dumped thousands of barrels into the ocean then discovering layer how they were leaking and harming the fishing industry  and an attempt was made to remove the barrels. I doubt if they were all retrieved. With this problem in the middle east, I could care less about them people. I worry about what our people will bring home with them and how an innocent American baby will have to suffer and sit back and hear the Pentagon say that no this is not true.

by drasile (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 77 comments) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 2:36:44 PM

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Reply: Not much of a debate really...

Wow. Thanks for your scripted comment Steve. You have prompted an avalanche of further information posted here in the comments. To respond directly to your skepticism, I suggest you take a look at the fact many qualified authorites consider DU to be a serious danger. Here is a list of scientists against DU that I started making.

Also, I might ask you to explain one simple fact before even going in the direction of establishing how "safe" DU is. The uranium pellets or rods that are fed into nuclear reactors contain about 3% U-235, a strong gamma emitter. The DU left following enrichment contains about 0.3% U-235.As you see, the difference is only a factor of ten. So DU is essentially 1 part reactor fuel to 9 parts pure U-238. Please explain how such a substance could ever be classified as a non-threat radiologically speaking. Here is this argument written out longer with some references behind it:

http://www.gnn.tv/B24923 

And a related article with some details about the level of U-235 in the DU the military likes to say is "only" U-238.

http://www.gnn.tv/B24388 

So DU is a danger even on the terms the military likes to talk about. It is a further danger as an alpha emitter due to the U-238 because it gets inhaled thanks to its being burned in violent high-temperature explosions. 

I challange you to seriously look into DU - both sides of the argument - and then try to defend DU. Don't trust the authorities so quickly. On my DUBBS site, you can find links to their arguments that DU is safe as well as links to the arguments that DU is dangerous. I have been checking out both sides for a long time now, and the more I learn, the more scared I become of DU.

by Peter Dearman (10 articles, 32 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 144 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 10:09:47 PM

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Reply: Scripted comments...

Right...  Well, I have more scripted comments below, brother...

 

thank you for reading them.

 

Ciao, CZ 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 12:50:45 PM

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Reply: Not to be to rude.........

Not to be to rude.........but did you just crawl out of a shoe box? Helen Caldocott and Doug Rokke are two of the most credible people regarding the subject on the planet. The level of denial from you drones is incredible. It's true! The F----ing planet is being contaminated forever by these monsters and you think they're saying so just to get a grant? Chuck Shumer had 9 national guard ...victims.. returning  from Iraq tested for overexposure to DU, randomly, and 4 tested positive for overexposure. The public has to pull their head out of the ass of denial and realize what these war criminals have done. WAKE THE F----K UP!

by You Suck (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 2:19:34 PM

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Evidence not anecdotal recollections

Steve's largely correct on the evidence statement.

"Soldiers who survived being hit by radioactive ammunition, as well as those who fired it, are falling ill, often showing signs of radiation sickness. Of the 700,000 U.S. veterans of the first Gulf War, more than 240,000 are on permanent medical disability and 11,000 are dead, published reports indicate."

This statement is largely bogus with respect to its conclusions. While not known for certain, the Department of Veterans Affairs disfavors radiation sickness as the cause of the Undiagnosed Disease (UDX) of the Gulf War, and instead, ongoing research studies favor a chemical or nerve agent as the probable source.

According to the Gulf War Veterans Information System (GWVIS) May 2007 report, a total of 696,842 service members (SM) participated in the Desert Shield/Desert Storm and three other encounters between 01 Aug 90 through 31 Jul 91. From 01 Aug 90 through 31 Mar 07, a total of 13,517 SMs deaths had been reported. However, the note on this report states clearly:

"These counts reflect raw data that has not been subjected to any statistical analysis nor has it been adjusted in any way to make it a mortality study. There has been no adjustment to account for age, gender, race, and other items required for a valid mortality study... The use of these data to draw conclusions regarding mortality rates will result in inaccurate conclusions."

For Gulf War mortality studies, the GWVIS report references a 2001 paper entitled "Mortality among US Veterans of the Persian Gulf War: 7-Year Follow-up". In this paper that followed veteran deaths from 1990 to 1997, "no real difference between death rates among Gulf War and Non-Gulf War veterans [was reported, but] it found that death rates for both groups were less than half of that found in their civilian counterparts." The actual rates are detailed in the GWVIS report.

For males, the death rates were 11.1 for Gulf War veterans versus 12.9 for non-Gulf War veterans for a ratio of 0.95, which is not statistically significant, compared to 1. Differences are considered significant when there is 95% confidence that the difference did not occur by chance. For females, the death rates were 6.6 for Gulf War veterans versus 5.7 for non-Gulf War veterans for a ratio of 1.16 - http://www1.va.gov/rac-gwvi/docs/GWVIS_May2007.pdf .

The result is that there is no difference in the death rate for a Gulf War SM vs. a non-Gulf War veteran. Regardless, both a more health and live longer than their civilian counterparts. While the 13,000+ number may sound high, it's not significant to the point that "something" is adversely impacting Gulf War veterans resulting in an increased mortality rate.

This kind of takes the wind out of the silly claim, "This is an astonishing toll from such a short conflict in which fewer than 400 U.S. soldiers were killed on the battlefield." It's in line with what is expected. No story here; move along please.

The actual number of disability claims granted a service connection is 211,546 for Gulf War SMs (i.e., from a population of 696,842) that participated in the conflict (01 Aug 90 through 31 Jul 91). Of these, 161,313 are service connected at 10% or greater disability with compensation or pension granted. When this is compared to the total number of non-Gulf War veterans for the era or 5,670,404, the same number of disability claims granted is 907,691 with 688,799 being service connected at 10% or greater disability with compensation or pension granted.

The result is that granted claims related to the conflict are slightly higher than granted claims for non-Gulf War SMs. This, though, is to be expected given the abnormal conditions (i.e., field environment with deployment vs. garrison setting with training rotations) that these personnel underwent. Abnormal conditions result in an increased risk that manifests itself as increased claims.

For more information regarding DU studies, the following links are available – click here , http://fhp.osd.mil/du/healthEffects.jsp , and http://www.nato.int/du/ .

I understand Mac's assertion in another post that these studies cannot be trusted because they represent the government's interest. However, barring any evidence that supports the conclusions are invalid, the studies should be reviewed carefully for what they DO say, as opposed to not – there is no significant link between DU and increased rates of cancer or other health risks.

The Houston Chronicle article is certainly powerful but largely anecdotal and based upon the soldiers' recollections and observed health impacts. The impacts are tragic and certainly frustrating but cannot be linked conclusively to DU. Understandably, though, additional studies are needed to better confirm this assertion – in addition to the great number that have been performed already - click here .

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 9:28:16 PM

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Deaths from Radiation Sickness

The statement you selected does not claim those veterans seeking disability are all ill due to radiation sickness nor that the 11,000 that have died since Gulf War One died from radiation sickness.

Sherwood Ross 

 

by Sherwood Ross (222 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 155 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 9:45:59 PM

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A correction was needed then

Then I do stand corrected and thank you for pointing out the qualification.  The wording, though, and the juxtaposition of the falling ill against the radiation sickness give a distinct impression that the two are linked.

One radiation sickness death, which I'll presume to be correct, does not make a DU health care crisis for Gulf War veterans.

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 10:41:24 PM

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DU Depleted Uranium the Coming Crisis

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Depleted-Uranium.htm

DU is real, and is a killer. No doubt. Those who deny it are either completely ignorant, or had a hand in using it to kill people.

The concern is having DU contaminated Soldiers return to the USA and contaminate our communities. Wives will get pregnant with deformed babies, and the abortion issue will take on a whole new light. Trucks and Equipment returning are also carriers, that can leak into our ground waters. There is no plan to cleanup, monitor, help Vets, or help the Iraqi people. It will wipe out the population.

The reason the USA is against Iran having nuclear electricity is because even if they don't make the bomb, they will make DU from the waste Uranium from the nuclear Electric plant.

I am waiting for insurrengents to gather up DU expended munitions load and pack it in their own munitions and arms and start firing it back at us. The stuff is recyclable, and ready to use.

Pentagon and Military the lying SOB's should be tried and locked up in their own Guantanemo with the key thrown in the Bay.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 10:59:09 PM

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additional comments on DU

Reposted from other thread

 

 

It is characteristic that those who speak or appear to speak in support of the government's position regarding DU use false analogies, minimization and derision when arguing against issues or concerns with which they disagree. It appears to be some kind of illness of arrogance with the suspected cause being the subjective ethical chaos associated with supporting aggressive and militaristic governments. So it appears to be in this case as it has been with other egregious acts against humanity. One such noted in Dr. Cantwell's article had to do with radiation experiments on humans carried in the decades following WWII in which many such crimes (and yes, they were crimes) were subsequently investigated by Clinton's Secretary of Energy Hazel O'Leary (an uncharacteristic act of candor by the government)

 

The authors of Human Radiation Experiments in the United States

By Arjun Makhijani1 and Ellen Kennedy made the following recommendation to O'Leary:

 

"First, the scope of the inquiry needs to include atomic veterans, downwinders and workers who were exposed to radiation and other dangers from weapons production and testing. Second, scientific issues as well as ethical ones are involved. The quality of the science that the DOE and its contractors did on health and environmental issues has often been poor and sometimes appalling. Even after clear evidence of fabricated data and shocking mistakes of basic math have been exposed, neither the DOE nor its contractors have analyzed the nature of the underlying problems that have led to the poor work."

 

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Having worked in several Veterans Administration Medical Centers, I became aware of the history of similar denials, minimization, derision related to serious health problems caused by agent orange that veterans had been suffering from subsequent to the Vietnam war...... Governments have a strong incentive to deny culpability in the dire illnesses and damage exhibited in their own soldiers, not to mention in the citizenry of the countries they devastate. Vietnam is indeed a case in point. (interestingly, also a war, the intense escalation of which, was justified by the construction of a false flag operation).

 

There appears to be a fairly strong case supporting the condemnation of the use of depleted uranium. And there are numerous substantial financial as well as potential legal concerns for governments avoiding honest and supported research to investigate the problem. But again, this is nothing new for the military industrial complex and those who support it. And for whom I have the greatest disdain and disgust.

 

"Numerous independent experts say depleted uranium is deadly and will permanently pollute those areas contaminated by the munitions. The Military Toxics Project, a non-governmental organization that has been tracking depleted uranium for years, has published an update. Dan Fahey, the author, draws primarily on declassified government documents and public statements, concluding with a sort of rough indictment of irresponsibility. During the Kosovo war, the Pentagon brought out a Rand Corporation think tank study to prove once again that DU is harmless. Once more independent experts protested. As a consequence the World Health Organization (WHO) was asked to investigate. A fact sheet on DU was announced as in the works, and then it was cancelled. An initial UN mission to Yugoslavia in May produced a report of serious contamination by DU. The report’s sponsor, United Nations Environmental Program (UNEP) director Klaus Toepfer suppressed it under pressure from Washington. The UNEP’s Balkan Task Force produced a big study in October, but the section on DU was dramatically reduced in the final version. The task force had tried to involve the WHO, but the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), did not allow it. Measurements were done using Geiger counters incapable of detecting the particular alpha radiation and nothing was found. In the meantime, in August, the WHO announced that a generic study of DU was under way. Last March it become known that the study was under the responsibility of an electro-magnetic field expert who has delegated it to a British geologist. Faced with the IAEA’s opposition to studying radiation and health, the WHO has opted to study DU only as a heavy metal pollutant. So it comes as no surprise that in these circumstances the ICTY would say that there is no international agreement on the dangers of DU."

(THE CRIMINAL USE OF DEPLETED URANIUM by Carlo Pona)"

 

 

(It should be noted that the Rand Corp. has a significant conflict of interest when it does any study the focus of which happens to be government behavior)    ;)

Some will criticize, as they are wont to do, that all of this is simply 'conspiracy theory' (the meme overused by government-ists. ) but what of those writing about the government's exposing of citizens to radiation prior to 1993, or those who wrote about Agent Orange after the Vietnam war drew to a close... and now those talking about DU. It is always the same is it not? We have 'government-ists' here as well.

 

 

 

Articles that may be of interest:

 

Here is an example of an animal study that lends a great deal of credence to the DU critics:

 

ResearchTopic: Environmental & Occupational Exposures / Depleted Uranium & Other Heavy Metals 

Completed Research Projects

 

 

 Print Project

Title: Carcinogenic Potential of Depleted Uranium and Tungsten Alloys (see also DoD-130) 

Synopsis: This animal study looked at whether or not embedded fragments of depleted uranium (DU) cause changes in cells of the body. 

Overall Summary: See project objective. 

Overall Project Objective: Assess the carcinogenic potential of embedded fragments of depleted uranium (DU) and heavy metal tungsten alloy (HMTA), using cell culture and animal studies. This project is supported as a core program by the Armed Forces Radiobiological Research Institute (AFRRI). 

Results to Date: This project has been terminated. Its research objectives have been incorporated into USAMRMC grant DAMD17-01-1-0821, "Carcinogenicity and Immunotoxicity of Embedded Depleted Uranium and Heavy-Metal Tungsten alloy in Rodents" (DoD-130). Studies at AFRRI indicate that exposure to DU or HMTA cause changes in cells, both in vivo and in vitro, that suggest DU has carcinogenic potential. DU induces a dose- and time-dependent increase in the expression of specific oncogenes in kidney, muscle, and liver of rats implanted with pellets of DU. No oncogene increases are observed in rodents implanted with the non-toxic metal tantalum. Significant increases in both micronuclei and sister chromatid exchanges, indicators of genotoxic damage, were measured in lymphocytes obtained from DU-implanted rats 18 months after implantation, but not in tantalum-implanted rats. Injection of sodium tungstate into Fischer rats produced significant increases in both micronuclei and SCE. Urine from DU-implanted animals was mutagenic; a consequence of the presence of excreted DU. Exposure of cultured human bone cells to DU or HMTA resulted in a transformation of those cells to a type with biochemical and growth characteristics typical of tumor cells. The magnitude of transformation observed with DU and HMTA was similar to that observed with the known heavy metal carcinogen, nickel. These cells, once transformed, produced tumors when injected into immune deficient mice. DU and HMTA were also shown to be genotoxic and mutagenic in model system studies. 

Project: DOD-122 

Agency: Department Of Defense 

Location: Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute (AFRRI) 

P.I. Name: A C Miller 

Status: Complete 

Study Start Date: November 01, 1997 

Estimated Completion Date: September 30, 2001 

Specific Aims: Determine whether exposure to embedded fragments of DU and HMTA cause cancer in a rat model and to investigate potential mechanisms of action. The animal study provides data from two general treatment groups that include a carcinogenicity/rat longevity study and a parallel study to analyze tissues obtained at various points during the study to investigate cellular changes associated with the metal exposures. Cell culture studies are used to examine additional mechanisms and the role that radiation plays in DU-induced effects. 

Methodology: Rats are implanted with pellets of DU, HMTA, the known metal carcinogen nickel (positive controls), the suspected carcinogen lead, and the biologically inert metal tantalum (negative control). Longevity studies are carried out under guidelines suggested by the National Toxicology Program. Tissue analyses after necropsy determine the cause of death and the nature of any abnormal tissues observed. Subgroups of animals are similarly implanted but euthanized at various times after tissue implantation to correlate tissue metal content with long-term biological effect analysis. Mutagenicity, cytogenicity, and genomic instability are assessed. Experiments using an in vitro cell model are designed to determine the role alpha particle radiation plays in DU effects and examine other mechanisms of neoplastic transformation. 

Publications: 

McClain D E, Benson K A, Dalton T K, Ejnik J W, Emond C , Hodge S , Kalinich J F, Landauer M R, Miller A C, Pellmar T , Stewart M , Villa V , Xu J . Biological effects of embedded depleted uranium (DU): summary of armed forces radiobiology research institute research.Sci Total Environ.2001;274:115-8.

 

McClain D E, Benson K A, Dalton T K, Ejnik J W, Emond C , Hodge S , Kalinich J F, Landauer M R, Livengood D , Miller A C, Pellmar T , Stewart M , Villa V , Xu J . Health effects of embedded depleted uranium.Mil Med.2002;167:117-9.

 

continuing

 

AND OTHER REVIEWS ARE CERTAINLY SUGGESTIVE:

 

 

1. THE CRIMINAL USE OF DEPLETED URANIUM

by Carlo Pona .....Dr. Carlo Pona is a physicist and a member of the Nino Pasti Foundation,

http:// www. iacenter.org/warcrime/cpona.htm

2. Depleted Uranium, Diabetes, Cancer and You

Alan Cantwell MD—01/2007

 

http:// www. energygrid.com/health/2007/01ac-uranium.html

 

3. Depleted Uranium: The Invisible Threat

 

By j.j. richardson

January 1

http:// www. motherjones.com/news/feature/2001/01/du.html

 

4. Depleted Uranium: Pernicious Killer Keeps on Killing  By Craig Etchison, Ph.D.

    t r u t h o u t | Guest Contributor

 

http:// www. gulfwarvets.com/du_keeps_killing.htm

 

AND THESE STUDIES BY IRAQI SCIENTISTS:

 

http:/ /www .irak.be/ned/archief/irak.htm

 

 

AND FOR THE HELL OF IT:

 

 

[Army made video warning about dangers of depleted uranium but never showed it to troops 

 

By David Edwards

Published: Tuesday February 6, 2007

Source: http:/ /www. rawstory.com/news/2007/CNN_Agent_Orange_tame_compared_to_0206.html  

 

A special investigation on the effects of depleted uranium reveals the Army made a tape warning of the effects of depleted uranium which was never shown to troops despite the fact the Pentagon knew the agent to be potentially deadly, CNN reports Tuesday. 

 

Depleted uranium -- or DU -- was used in the Gulf War as a projectile that could penetrate tank armor. A group of soldiers are suing the US government because they are sick from exposure; despite the unshown video, the Army denies that depleted uranium represents a serious health risk.

 

CNN reporter Greg Hunter explains. The soldiers "report similar ailments. Painful urination, headaches and joint pain. They say Army doctors blame their symptoms on post traumatic stress. We showed them a tape the Army made in 1995, a tape the Army never distributed. It warned of potential D.U. hazards. The army's expert on D.U. training concedes some information contained on the tape is true. For instance, radioactive particles can be harmful."

 

A doctor who once investigated DU for the Army now believes that the health risks are serious. 

 

"In the 1990s this doctor studied D.U. health effects for the U.S. military," Hunter says. "Now a private researcher, he says his own test of these veterans showed abnormally high levels of D.U. this their urine and that those levels pose a serious health threat." 

 

"One doctor... calls it, quote, 'a radiological sewer,'" Hunter adds. "The Army adamantly denies that." 

 

Don't forget to view the video: http:// www. rawstory.com/news/2007/CNN_Agent_Orange_tame_compared_to_0206.html   ]

 

 

And to Further Add

 

Britain, U.S. Using Radioactive ‘Dirty Bombs’

 

World’s foremost expert on the U.S. military’s use of depleted uranium speaks out

 

By Dr. Doug Rokke

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/britain__u_s__using_radioactiv.html 

(American Free Press-Issue #31, July 31st, 2006)

 

While U.S. and British military personnel continue using illegal uranium munitions—America’s and England’s own “dirty bombs”—Department of Energy (DOE) and Department of Defense (DOD) officials deny that there are any adverse health and environmental effects as a consequence of the manufacture, testing and use of uranium munitions. The reason for the doubletalk is obviously to avoid criminal liability for the willful and illegal dispersal of a radioactive and toxic material—depleted uranium (DU).

 

How do I know this? Fourteen years ago, I was asked by the U.S. military to clean up the initial DU mess from Gulf War I.

 

Following that, I headed the Depleted Uranium Project for the DOD, which created a series of manuals and training videos to teach soldiers about the hazards associated with handling DU munitions.

 

Still, DOD officials and others attempt to justify uranium munitions use while ignoring mandatory requirements that are already in place to deal with the contamination.

 

I am dismayed that DOD and DOE officials and their representatives continue personal attacks aimed to silence or discredit those of us who are demanding that medical care be provided to all DU casualties and that environmental remediation be completed in compliance with government regulations.

 

The Pentagon arrogantly refuses to comply with its own orders and directives that require the DOD to provide prompt and effective medical care to all exposed individuals, as cited in military reports.

 

They also refuse to clean up dispersed radioactive contamination as required by Army Regulation AR 700-48, titled Management of Equipment Contaminated With Depleted Uranium or Radioactive Commodities, and U.S. Army Technical Bulletin TB 9-1300-278, which notes the “Guidelines For Safe Response To Handling, Storage, And Transportation Accidents

Involving Army Tank Munitions Or Armor Which Contain Depleted Uranium.”

 

Specifically, section 2-4 of Army Regulation AR 700-48, dated Sept. 16, 2002, requires that: 

 

• “Military personnel “identify, segregate, isolate, secure, and label all RCE” (radiologically contaminated equipment).

 

• “Procedures to minimize the spread of radioactivity will be implemented as soon as possible.”

 

• “Radioactive material and waste will not be locally disposed of through burial, submersion, incineration, destruction in place, or abandonment”; and

 

• “All equipment, to include captured or combat RCE, will be surveyed, packaged, retrograded, decontaminated and released. . . .”

 

In addition, medical care must be provided by DOD to all individuals affected by the manufacturing, testing and use of uranium munitions. A thorough environmental cleanup must also be completed without further delay.

 

The use of uranium weapons, the release of radioactive components in destroyed U.S. and foreign military equipment and releases of industrial, medical and research facility radioactive materials have resulted in unacceptable exposures.

 

Therefore, decontamination must be completed, as required by Army regulation, and should include releases of all radioactive materials resulting from military operations.

 

Americans should realize that adverse health and environmental effects of uranium weapons contamination are not limited solely to combat zones. Any facility and site where uranium weapons have been manufactured or tested should be checked, also. These include Vieques, Puerto Rico; Colonie, N.Y.; Concord, Mass.; Jefferson Proving Grounds in Indiana; and the Schofield Barracks, Hawaii.

 

The willful dispersal of tons of solid radioactive and chemically toxic waste in the form of uranium munitions is illegal. Beyond that, it does not even pass the common sense test. 

 

Even the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) notes that DU is a dirty bomb. DHS issued “dirty bomb” response guidelines on Jan. 3, 2006, for incidents within the United States.

 

They specifically state: “A radiological incident is defined as an event or series of events, deliberate or accidental, leading to the release, or potential release, into the environment of radioactive material in sufficient quantity to warrant consideration of protective actions.”

 

The first step in putting this terrible situation right should be for Bush and Blair to set up medical care for all casualties.

 

They should then demand a thorough environmental assessment of the level of DU contamination around testing facilities, munitions plants and battlegrounds. They should also call for an immediate cessation of retaliation against all of us who demand compliance with medical care provisions. And, finally, the two leaders should order an immediate stop to the already illegal use of DU munitions.

 

 

Doug Rokke, Ph.D. (ret.) is a veteran of the first Gulf War and is the former director of the U.S. Army’s Depleted Uranium Project, which developed a series of training videos and manuals about DU munitions for the military. The materials were intended to teach servicemen and women about the use of and hazards associated with DU munitions. However, the military never instituted the program. Today, Dr. Rokke has become one of the leading critics of the U.S. government’s continued use of DU

 

by richard (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 1359 comments [400 recommended, 8 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 11:49:45 PM

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Check out this new artice on DU.... Sunday 18 November 2007

"Safe" Uranium Left a Town Contaminated

by Lisa Long (4 articles, 4 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 48 comments) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 3:29:33 AM

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DU is a Dangerous Death Weapon /

This is why I contend that US troops should remain in Iraq. Not because I am against ending the war, or supporting the idea troops should stay there to continue the war. But because they are DU carriers. They are contaminated, and walking dirty bombs. Isn't bringing them home a terrorist act? Now people are going to jump down my throat for suggesting such a thing, and that I don't have any respect for soldiers; but reality is reality.

How about your daughter who goes to school and plays with her girl friend whos daddy just returned from Iraq, giving his little darling hugs and kisses, contaminating his daughter, then passing more onto to yours or my daughter? "Daddy can I wear your hat?" "Can I try on your boots/" There are a million scenarios of how the crap can get into the USA. Even mailed letters could conceivablly have DU particles inside.  Not as fast killing as Anthrax, but pretty darn effective.

Then the scarey part is people who know this stuff is a killer, will collect in the fields of Iraq, bring it home, and maybe want to use it to kill some people they don't like in the States, like skin heads, or KKK members, or any groups they are waging domestic war with. Lot's of street gang pals would like it.

Why aren't candidates talking about this? To me this is serious stuff, and they act like nothing is wrong. Nothing is wrong until someone shakes hands with them, coating them with DU and hoping they eat a sandwich with them.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 5:43:46 AM

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Question

I think I'm in the wrong church and definately in the wrong pew with this question, but here goes.

I live in Western Colorado where we have mined uranium for years. Not D.U., the "real stuff" is everywhere in our soils. While some of the miners who spent years handling the concetrated uranium and working directly in the underground mines have suffered health problems, they are not reported in greater numbers than say old coal miners with black lung, also in our area and in our family.

Keep in mind, I'm talking about people who daily handled and breathed "Yellow Cake" without respirators, most have never fallen ill.

A town north of here Uranium Hot Springs is a resort where people soak in, well, Uranium rich hot springs.

Uranium was also ingested by mouth in fairly large doses as a medical treatment for some years.

I have also researched the fact that small arms ammo is not made from DU, but is used in rounds larger than 50 caliber.

My question is then, why isn't everyone in Western Colorado and Eastern Utah dead?

This is not a mockery, I'm asking a legitmate question. Thanks, Mike

 

by Mike Folkerth (120 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 566 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 7:50:47 AM

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Fear as a tool of manipulating the DU argument

Mike is asking a legitimate question that has a legitimate answer – at present. Research studies conducted to date do not show a link between DU (which has a radioactivity similar to if not a little less than naturally occurring uranium) and increased rates of cancer or adverse health effects. Other studies are ongoing and proposed, as detailed in the link from a past post with this article, that will further resolve the existence of a link or not.

In essence, the claims by a vocal minority over the alleged health effects of using DU are very similar to the ill health claims made by a similar vocal minority over the electromagnetic fields (EMF) emitted from using mobile phones. And similar to DU, research studies conducted on this issue do not show a link between EMF and increased rates of brain-related cancer or adverse health affects.

For reference, this EMF minority is slowly dieing away as their prior dire predictions for that population of humanity that uses wireless phones have yet to manifest themselves. Also, the wireless phone is probably on par with the ATM as one of the most useful inventions and societal changing events of the late 20th century. The big difference, though, between the DU and EMF minorities is that the DU group emphasizes the "radioactive" or "nuclear" component of DU way beyond (1) that which has been researched and reported, and (2) relies heavily on personal opinion, recollection, and unscientific analysis of interpretative data (e.g., pockets of increased cancers or birth defects due to other factors beyond DU).

Largely, the DU minority tries to control the debate via the selective manipulation of "fear" as it relates to health effects from "radioactive contamination" from a nuclear (i.e., uranium) source. While such fears are well-founded with respect to the nuclear by-products of fission, they are grossly exaggerated and manipulated with respect to DU.

I've addressed previously the totally silly comments by Dom on his plan to create the new "master race" because of his unjustifiable fear that returning service members will taint the gene pool by their reproducing and pollute the surrounding environment by their mere presence. If you truly are sincere about implementing such a policy, then I recommend including all persons living near or working within the uranium mining industry or naturally occurring and surface exposed uranium bearing ores, as well as those residents and employees exposed to elevated radon – either airborne or waterborne – in their homes and/or workplace.

Dom, is your home radon over the EPA suggested concern level of four (4) picoCuries per liter (pC/L) of air? If it does exceed the recommendation, I'm afraid will either have to deport you beyond America's borders or confine you to a lead-shielded room for the remainder of your life. You pick.

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 11:05:08 AM

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Reply: Intuitive Knowledge vs Syllogisms

Tom, I am beginning to think your thoughts are whirling around devoid of any intuition. Anyone can produce sophistic arguments to nit-pick at someone's article. But if one reads all these existential in-the-flesh reports from people exposed to DU, one realizes, intuitively, that something is terribly wrong here. Here is another article that is disputing what you are saying, with a scientific study to back up how truly dangerous DU is.

"Safe" Uranium That Left a Town Contaminated
Evidence

By David Rose, The Observer (UK)

They were told depleted uranium was not hazardous. Now, 23 years after a US arms plant closed, workers and residents have cancer - and experts say their suffering shows the use of such weapons may be a war crime.

Colonie, New York - It is 50 years since Tony Ciarfello and his friends used the yard of a depleted uranium weapons factory as their playground in Colonie, a suburb of Albany in upstate New York state. 'There wasn't no fence at the back of the plant,' remembers Ciarfello. 'Inside was a big open ground and nobody would chase us away. We used to play baseball and hang by the stream running through it. We even used to fish in it - though we noticed the fish had big pink lumps on them.'

Today there are lumps on Ciarfello's chest - strange, round tumours that protrude about an inch. 'No one seems to know what they are,' he says. 'I've also had a brain aneurysm caused by a suspected tumour. I'm constantly fatigued and for years I've had terrible pains, deep inside my leg bones. I fall over without warning and I've got a heart condition.' Ciarfello's illnesses have rendered him unable to work for years. Aged 57 and a father of five, he looks much older.

The US federal government and the firm that ran the factory, National Lead (NL) Industries, have been assuring former workers and residents around the 18-acre site for decades that, although it is true that the plant used to produce unacceptable levels of radioactive pollution, it was not a serious health hazard.

Now, in a development with potentially devastating implications not only for Colonie but also for the future use of some of the West's most powerful weapon systems, that claim is being challenged. In a paper to be published in the next issue of the scientific journal Science of the Total Environment, a team led by Professor Randall Parrish of Leicester University reports the results of a three-year study of Colonie, funded by Britain's Ministry of Defence.

Parrish's team has found that DU contamination, which remains radioactive for millions of years, is in effect impossible to eradicate, not only from the environment but also from the bodies of humans. Twenty-three years after production ceased they tested the urine of five former workers. All are still contaminated with DU. So were 20 per cent of people tested who had spent at least 10 years living near the factory when it was still working, including Ciarfello.

The small sample size precludes the drawing of statistical conclusions, the journal paper says. But to find DU at all after so long a period is 'significant, since no previous study has documented evidence of DU exposure more than 20 years prior ... [this] indicates that the body burden of uranium must still be significant, whether retained in lungs, lymphatic system, kidneys or bone'. The team is now testing more individuals.

In 1984, having bought the factory from NL for $10 in a deal that meant the firm was exempted from having to pay for its clean-up, the federal government began a massive decommissioning project, supervised by the Army Corps of Engineers. The clean-up did not finish until summer 2007, having cost some $190m. Contractors demolished the buildings and removed more than 150,000 tons of soil and other contaminated detritus, digging down to depths of up to 40ft and trucking it 2,000 miles by rail to underground radioactive waste sites in the Rockies. All that is now left of the NL plant is a huge, undulating field, ringed by razor wire.

Despite this colossal effort, Parrish and his colleagues found high concentrations of DU particles in soil, stream sediments and household dust in the vicinity of the site, deposited long ago when the factory burnt the shavings and chips produced by the weapons manufacturing process: the study estimates that, over the years, about 10 tons of uranium oxide dust wafted from the chimney into the surrounding environment.

The Army Corps clean-up team tested the soil from some of the gardens of houses backing on to the plant, and in cases where it was found to be emitting more than 35 pico curies of radiation per gram they removed it. The researchers discovered dust in and around buildings emitting up to 10 times as much. DU, inhaled in the form of tiny motes of oxide that lodge inside the lungs, emits alpha radiation, nuclei of helium. Unlike the gamma radiation produced by enriched, weapons-grade uranium, alpha particles will not penetrate the skin.

But inside the body DU travels around the bloodstream, accumulating not only in the lungs but also in other soft tissues such as the brain and bone marrow. There, each mote becomes an alpha particle hotspot, bombarding its locality and damaging cell DNA. Research has shown that DU has the potential to cause a wide range of cancers, kidney and thyroid problems, birth defects and disorders of the immune system.

When DU 'penetrators' - armour-piercing shells that form the standard armament of some of Britain's and America's most commonly deployed military aircraft and vehicles - strike their targets, 10 per cent or more of the heavy DU metal burns at high temperatures, producing oxide particles very similar to those at Colonie.

TV footage shot in Baghdad in 2003 shows children playing in the remains of tanks coated with thick, black DU oxide, while there have long been claims that the DU shells that destroyed Saddam Hussein's tanks in the 1991 Gulf war were responsible for high rates of cancer in places such as Basra.

Parrish's team includes David Carpenter, an environmental health expert from Albany University. 'DU burns, it releases particulates that can be breathed in, and it doesn't go away,' he says. 'The issue does not concern military personnel as much as civilian populations in theatres where they are used. Now we know that we can still find measurable levels of DU among the people of Colonie, we need a much bigger study to establish whether they have suffered disproportionate ill-effects such as cancers as a consequence. If they have, it would raise a serious ethical challenge to the use of these weapons. Arguably it could constitute a war crime.'

The NL plant on Central Avenue, Colonie's main artery, opened in 1958 and became one of the Pentagon's main suppliers. DU - the material left in huge quantities by the process of refining enriched uranium for bombs and nuclear reactors - is extremely dense. A pointed rod fired at high velocity will penetrate not only armour but several feet of concrete. In 1979 a whistleblower from inside the plant told the local health department that it was releasing large amounts of DU from its 50ft chimney, which was not properly filtered. The state government carried out atmospheric tests and in 1981 ordered that main production cease. The factory shut three years later.

One of those who has now tested positive is Mike Aidala, 71, who worked at the plant for 22 years and became its health and safety director. 'When it started, the place was spotless,' he says. 'But over the years it got dirtier and dirtier. We burnt the chips produced by the lathes in a steel furnace.' He added: 'A lot of my co-workers died young. Whether the plant was the reason, I guess we'll never know.'

As concern in Colonie rose, a residents' group began to call for a publicly funded health study. For Anne Rabe, a founder member of a campaign that has now lasted for 25 years, the Parrish study represents overdue vindication. 'I do find it very ironic that the US government at state and federal level refused for so long to do anything, and now the UK comes along and has funded these tests,' Rabe says.

Repeatedly, US agencies have claimed that the Colonie plant was reasonably safe, despite the massive clean-up. Most recently, in 2003, the federal Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry issued a report saying that, although the pollution produced when the plant was operating might have slightly increased the risks of kidney disease and lung cancer, there was now 'no apparent public health hazard'.

Rabe's campaign has conducted a health study of its own, assembling a dossier from personal contacts and by knocking on neighbours' doors. It found that among almost 400 people surveyed there were numerous cases of rare cancers, thyroid and kidney complaints and birth defects.

The main difficulty the campaigners faced in the past is that DU eventually dissolves and is passed in the urine. The US government claimed that the plant had been shut so long that it would be impossible to determine who had been contaminated - so rendering a full health survey pointless.

However, Parrish has developed new, more sensitive methods. At the same time, his impartiality is impeccable. Before his work in Colonie, Parrish tested more than 400 Gulf war veterans, failing to detect DU in any of them - so dealing a serious blow to those who claimed that DU is one of the causes of Gulf war syndrome. 'I did not expect to find it in Colonie,' he says.

Some of those who have tested positive display classic, common symptoms found in DU victims elsewhere. For example, Ciarfello says he was still in his twenties when his teeth 'just started to crumble: they ground down to nothing until they were just these little stumps and I pushed them out with my tongue'. Other members of his family are sick. His son developed a severe kidney condition, while his brother, Frank, can barely walk and also suffers chronic fatigue. A nephew was born with a disfiguring facial skin tumour that has required repeated surgery.

Tom Donnelly, 56, spent 34 years as a foreman at a garage door workshop next to the NL factory, where tests have found high concentrations of DU in dust samples from places such as shelves and light fittings. He has three auto-immune disorders: Crohn's disease, a chronic inflammation of the bowel, total alopecia, and cerebral vasculitis, an immune system-related narrowing of blood vessels in the brain.

'The new tests suggest I inhaled about 4,000 particles of DU,' Donnelly says. 'I used to come to work in the morning and see the chimney blowing its smoke in a thick black plume. Most of us had no idea that the plant was using uranium at all. After all, the sign outside said National Lead. The Army Corps removed all that soil, but they never looked at the dust at all. The effect on my life has been devastating, but how many others are already dead?' One is his late boss and friend Tom Murphy - who, like Donnelly, developed Crohn's and died of it at 61.

Ann Carusone lived in a house behind the plant from the time of her birth in 1966 until 1993. 'When I tested positive, my reaction was sheer disbelief,' she says. She has endured years of a chronic lung disease, sarcoidosis, an inflammation of the lymph nodes usually found in much older people, as well as a blood disorder that produced petecchiae - dots of blood beneath her skin, similar to those seen in some of those exposed to radiation at Hiroshima. In her twenties she had a pre-cancerous ovarian cyst that when removed was the size of a grapefruit.

'I knew many people from round here who died young, in their twenties and thirties,' she says. 'We used to play out in the creek that flowed out of the plant site. The water was sluggish, a weird yellow-green colour. We'd splash about in it. Now we know it was laden with depleted uranium.'

'It's very striking how many people in this small group have immune disorders like Tom Donnelly's,' says Carpenter. 'I can say with great confidence that people who inhaled DU are at greater risk of lung cancer, as well as leukaemia, other cancers and genetic damage of the type that causes birth defects. Previous responses by official bodies could be said to amount to a cover-up. People have been told that there's no problem, and that's very clearly not true.'

Yesterday NL failed to return calls requesting comment.

Deadly Residue

Depleted uranium (DU) is the residue left in massive quantities when bomb-grade uranium is refined to make reactor fuel and nuclear weapons.

The densest naturally occurring metal, it is used to make armour-penetrating shells, standard armament for some of the West's most widely deployed military aircraft and vehicles, such as Bradley armoured cars, Abrams tanks, and Jaguar A10 fighter planes.

Less intensely radioactive than bomb-grade uranium, DU emits alpha particles, known to cause cancers.

DU weapons that strike their targets produce clouds of tiny uranium oxide particles, which lodge in the lungs and other soft tissues such as the brain and bone marrow.

DU shells were widely used in the 1991 Gulf war; in Bosnia and Kosovo; and are being used now in Iraq and Afghanistan.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 240 diaries, 1414 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:17:50 PM

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Reply: You Are a Damn Liar/

DU should be feared. Why do you think they use it in weapons? The difference between caution and fear are one in the same.  But remarks like you have tried to calm the waters is point in fact of the irrationality you place in front of the pile of evidence that proves otherwise. Why do they stop nuclear testing? Because we don't want war? No because of what it does to the environment. Ever truely wonder why Kennedy was gunned down? It was because he authorized over 38 nuclear tests over the Pacific near Marshall Island and others. Think about what that was doing to the atmosphere in the world. He is the only sitting President to authoirze so many tests, and he was not a Republican puke. Republicans invented the bomb, and it wasn't because they feared Germany was making one. They were making one and they planned to take over the world. so they bombed innocent Japanese in order to prove how powerful they were, and their power put into place the state of Israel. Kennedy authorized not tests but real radiation being spewed into our world oceans to contaminiate fish, air, and our lands and water. DU not as explosive as a nuclear weapon certainly has the same gene carrier because it is radioactive, and as dangerous. The comment that people in Utah are not dying from it are not real because I have read numerous articles where native American Indians have died from the stuff in the same region. I think it is an out right lie, to suggest you can roll around in Yellow Cake, and breathe it without getting ill. You are a damn liar.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 5:42:35 PM

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Google "Rokke"

This goes out to those who still haven't understood what Sherwood is trying to tell us with this article;

First off, google "Rokke". Or as another has said, fead your head, do your own research. Be sure to view the pictures. And if you still can't subscribe...

Secondly, ask an expert. Rokke is one such expert but if you would like to have a second or third or fourth opinion....go for it. Please remember to report back, your findings.

Thirdly, most of the US southwest is contaminated in its own way. Not to compare the sonora desert with Iraq, but uranium on the surface, left alone or left to natural erosion for millions of years is a far shot from uranium mines...and dust. Did I say dust ? How convenient....dust. What better way to transport uranium ? Oh, and pesticides. Totally harmless, some may say. Harmelss. For sure. Not.

Lastly, it sure as hell ain't healthy.

"(The) scientific evidence is cloudy because there has been so little research. It is broadly accepted that DU does little harm outside the body. But it may cause serious damage if it is inhaled. That means that people near where it is used could be contaminated, and it is possible it could seep into water tables." ...one article says.

"...DU does little harm outside the body."

Moody Blues

"Late Lament"

Breathe deep the gathering gloom
Watch lights fade from every room
Bedsitter people look back and lament
Another day's useless energy spent.

Impassioned lovers wrestle as one,
Lonely man cries for love and has none.
New mother picks up and suckles her son,
Senior citizens wish they were young.

Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colors from our sight.
Red is grey and yellow white,
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?

by Tony Forest (7 articles, 18 quicklinks, 166 diaries, 1429 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:33:23 PM

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Depleted Uranium

From Leuren Moret:
Radiation respects no borders, no socioeconomic class and no religion. It is an equal opportunity killer. The Zionist Anglo American Economic Empire has creat ed a nanoparticle Doomsday Machine with nuclear technologies which have released Depleted Uranium and fission and decay products polluting the global environmen t continuously since 1945. There is no way to turn it off and no way to clean it up. It's the weapons that keeps giving and keeps killing. This nanoparticle Doomsday Machine will cause massive depopulation of this planet and of all species over time, and it will have an unknown outcome. The pollution is now global, regional, and local. Already death rates are increasing and birth rates are decreasing globally, causing a slow increase in depopulation. The Zionist Anglo American Economic Empire developed atomic and hydrogen bombs (contain more depleted uranium than plutonium), nuclear power plants, and depleted uranium poison gas weapons for the express purpose of depopulating the civilian population. Fertile women are now the greatest target for sterilization (radiation causes infertility) and death, as well as unborn and live babies. Radiation is 10-100 million times more harmful to unborn babies than any other toxic chemicals such as thalidomide.
The Zionist Anglo American Economic Empire is carrying out global depopulation i n order to maximize profits and concentrate wealth upwards. This empire has bee n created by the Wall Street bankers (who send their sons to Yale to become memb ers of Skull & Bones) and the Rothschild/City of London bankers who go back thou sands of years as moneylenders. These greedy bankers have used Rockefeller and Rothschild contractors - scientists, bureaucrats, and bagmen - to set this nanoparticle Doomsday Machine in motion. It is most important to reveal who they are:
Google: "Wall Street Bankers Depopulate the World" PRESS TV
"Aishah Ali Interview with Leuren Moret" MADAME CHAIR MAGAZINE
"Interview with Leuren Moret" CONSCIOUS MEDIA NETWORK 

by Leuren Moret (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 3:14:18 PM

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Reply: Leuren Moret's Letter

To Leuren Moret:

I find the following comment you made about the article I wrote quoting you to be wildly inaccurate: "The Zionist Anglo American Economic Empire developed atomic and hydrogen bombs (contain more depleted uranium than plutonium), nuclear power plants, and depleted uranium poison gas weapons for the express purpose of depopulating the civilian population." To begin with, Zionism was not a significant force when the atomic bomb was developed by the United States and Great Britain; the state of Israel did not exist; and the world at that time, as Hitler, Stalin, and Tojo showed, had far cheaper ways of exterminating civilian populations than building costly nuclear plants. The U.S. was motivated to develop the atomic bomb in good part because America believed German scientists were working on it. Numerous histories have been written about the Manhattan Project, several of which I have read, and nowhere have I come across the kind of motivation implied in your letter. To me it is simply not believable that electric utility companies the world over have built nuclear power plants to exterminate civilians rather than to generate electricity.  

Sherwood Ross  

by Sherwood Ross (222 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 155 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 4:54:38 PM

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Reply: Global annihilation with nuclear technologies

I've done my homework Sherwood, in 46 countries, on nuclear technologies and why they were developed and how they have been used.  You are regurgitating the mainstream mantra and garbage that for decades has hidden the real purpose for using those technologies.  


If you bothered to invest a little time and really were interested in my information and disclosure of who is behind the nuclear curtain - you would have read the two interviews with me and watched the 54 minute interview - all listed at the bottom of my first comment.

Take a look if you dare, and if you don't, your opinion cannot counter my facts and documentation of those facts.  And if you want to know more - Google "University of California + Skull & Bones" and you will go down the deepest possible rabbit hole you have ever ventured into. 

The fact is - the University of California will forever be known as the University that poisoned the world - the WMD contractor for Wall Street and Rothschild/City of London bankers.

by Leuren Moret (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 7:25:21 PM

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A quick industrial hygiene lesson

A quick note, the most common forms of uranium "dust" or uranium oxide are either U3O8 or UO2 (i.e., three uranium atoms with eight oxygen atoms or, etc...).  The atomic mass of one uranium atom is 238 compared to lead which is 207.  The so-called dust that's generated after any impact almost immediately settles to the nearest horizontal surface because of uranium oxide's rather high molecular weight. 

Consequently, the non-respirable portion of uranium oxide as a dust is extremely low.  The resulting health risk is correspondingly extremely low.  In fact, "For a hypothetical railcar accident involving powder U3O8 that was assumed to occur in a highly-populated urban area under stable (nighttime) weather conditions, it was estimated that up to 20 people might experience irreversible adverse effects from chemical toxicity, with no fatalities expected," - http://web.ead.anl.gov/uranium/faq/health/faq37.cfm .

I'm not saying I'd eat the stuff but neither would I advocate banning re-entry into the country by a person that visited a DU impacted area.

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 3:47:46 PM

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Reply: Density of Depleted Uranium high temperature oxides

When uranium metal burns it reaches temperatures of 3000-5000 C, which is hotter than the sun.  The metal completely vaporizes and forms extremely insoluble nanoparticle Uranium oxides which are round hollow thin walled spheres like Christmas tree balls.  They have a density of less than 1 and remain suspended permanently by Brownian motion and air molecules bumping into them, according to Manhattan Project scientist Marion Fulk who I have worked with for nearly 8 years.  He conducted all of the rainout research on radioactive materials for the US nuclear weapons program during atmospheric testing.  He knows what he is talking about.


These nanoparticles of off-equilibrium Uranium oxides are extremely toxic as (1) chemical heavy metal, (2) alpha and gamma emitters, (3) the particulate effect of nanoparticles - as non-specific catalysts or enzymes.  In a recent issue of NATURE NANOTECHNOLOGY are the first images of nanoparticles entering cells and the nucleus of the cell within 48 hours.  The cells begin to malfunction and degrade within 48 hours, causing illness and death.  This is confirmed by Major Doug Rokke PHD who has reported members of his team and soldiers were sick within 48 hours of exposure to DU aerosols on the battlefield.  Some came home from Gulf War I in adult diapers because of neuromuscular damage and muscular-skeletal damage.  The medical disability rate in our soldiers and veterans since 1991 is 55% and they come home with it in their bodies and contaminate their wives and partners.  Their babies look like Iraqi babies. 

If you think "smoking" Uranium oxide dust in the nanoparticle range is not extremely dangerous then you are an obvious DOE or DOD disinformation agent.  In fact the pattern and content of your postings confirm it.  

You can't beat science with opinion and dishonesty. 

by Leuren Moret (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 7:41:06 PM

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Opinion and dishonesty

"When uranium metal burns it reaches temperatures of 3000-5000 C, which is hotter than the sun."

Actually, the mean surface temperature of the sun is about 5,700 °C. As we all know, the core temperature of the sun is much higher and is closer to 15,000,000 °C - http://son.nasa.gov/tass/content/structure.htm .

"[Uranium oxide nanoparticles] have a density of less than 1 and remain suspended permanently by Brownian motion and air molecules bumping into them..."

"Upon impact with the armour plate some KE [DU] penetrator fragments penetrate the armour and some are reflected from it. Both types are of wide size range, from large pieces of the order of centimetres down to micron size. Most of the fragments spontaneously ignite due to the pyrophoric nature of uranium and the extreme temperatures generated on impact (3037 ° – 3093 °C) over the range of impact velocities (4010 – 5560 feet per second). Because of the high density of uranium and its oxides, the penetrator fragments and particles rapidly settle in the target area," - http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/downloaddoc.asp?id=1216 .

"These nanoparticles of off-equilibrium Uranium oxides are extremely toxic as (1) chemical heavy metal, (2) alpha and gamma emitters, (3) the particulate effect of nanoparticles - as non-specific catalysts or enzymes. In a recent issue of NATURE NANOTECHNOLOGY are the first images of nanoparticles entering cells and the nucleus of the cell within 48 hours."

"Knowledge concerning nanoparticle risks is inadequate for risk assessments. Current knowledge is inadequate for risk assessment. Risk assessment approaches will have to consider how best to use information which is currently available, and plan to collect new information," - http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr274.pdf (p. vii).

"However, studies which have been undertaken on the use of DU munitions suggest a wide range of particle sizes being formed..." - http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr274.pdf (p. 87).

"The medical disability rate in our soldiers and veterans since 1991 is 55% and they come home with it in their bodies and contaminate their wives and partners. Their babies look like Iraqi babies."

"The voluntary Veterans Affairs (VA) DU Medical Follow-up program in Baltimore remains the most important source for identifying potential adverse health effects in those friendly-fire victims who have embedded DU fragments, or who may have inhaled significant quantities of DU particles. About one fourth of the Level I exposed individuals who have been evaluated by the VA still carry DU fragments in their bodies, and some of those with embedded fragments have elevated levels of urine uranium more than ten years after the Gulf War. None of the individuals with DU fragments have developed kidney problems, leukemia, bone or lung cancers, or any other uranium-related adverse outcomes. No birth defects have been reported in their children. As a result, there is no reason to believe that other exposed Service members have any elevated risk to their health due to their DU exposures," - http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq/faq_du.jsp .

"...[Y]ou are an obvious DOE or DOD disinformation agent. In fact the pattern and content of your postings confirm it... You can't beat science with opinion and dishonesty."

This is a new label for me – DOE or DOD disinformation agent. I'll state this only once - I am neither, but I am a concerned citizen and veteran of both the Gulf War and Iraqi Freedom. And while I agree that you can't beat science with opinion and dishonesty, you can with beat science with science. So, please stop being opinionated and dishonest when it comes to this issue - http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/08/03/anti-conspiracy-theory/ (a bit harsh but on target).

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 11:29:02 PM

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Reply: Your career in two Gulf Wars explains your bias

Obviously you have only refered to "official" information sources which are from the military you served in - and that supports exactly what I said - you are a DOE or DOD agent.  I think most people would agree with me that documents and studies produced by entities that illegally use WMD are not good sources for unbiased information, and neither are the members or former members of those entities.  Depleted Uranium weapons meet the definition of WMD under US Federal Code in two out of three categories.  Double jeapordy.  And it also violates US military law, all war conventions, international agreements and treaties.  I guess you don't know about that, but you should if you understand US military law.


Anyway I hope you survive your DU exposure, other people have not been so lucky.  Usually I find out later that people like you - DU proponents or deniers - are just as sick or sicker than their fellow soldiers.  I'll ask your wife.  Wives are usually much more honest about it.  They have to put up with the burning semen.

by Leuren Moret (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 3:06:26 AM

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Yet another abandonment of the scientific method...

"Your career in two Gulf Wars explains your bias."

I agree I had a military career; however, the great majority of those in the military (I believe) that were present in Southwest Asia in 1990-1991 and/or 2003 to present would use the noun "service" or verb "to serve". Regardless, my service during these time periods makes me no more bias then your own career in nuclear-related disinformation does because you studied under and/or worked for an original Manhattan Project member.

"Obviously you have only refered [sic] to "official" information sources which are from the military you served in - and that supports exactly what I said - you are a DOE or DOD agent. I think most people would agree with me that documents and studies produced by entities that illegally use WMD are not good sources for unbiased information, and neither are the members or former members of those entities."

The DU-related links were varied with only one referenced from the U.S. The other three were from the U.K. For the record, I was in the United States Army Reserves (USAR) and not the U.K. army reserves. I think most scientists would agree that the scientific method requires that you look at the total population of available data and not dismiss any data for politicalreasons alone. It is then from this total population of data that you form a hypothesis that accounts for the data, as opposed to handpicking some pieces of information to support a pre-conceived hypothesis, while discarding the rest.

Shame, shame for not adhering to the scientific method.

Regarding your Mickey Mouse-like logic with respect to "I think most people would agree with me that... members or former members of those entities... [are not good sources for unbiased information]," works in reverse. For example, "I think most people would agree with me that documents and studies produced by someone who studied under a member of the Manhattan Project, which resulted in the only hostile use of a nuclear weapon upon another entity, is not a good source for unbiased information."

Let's not be children here but do leave the playground behind and return to reality.

"Depleted Uranium weapons meet the definition of WMD under US Federal Code in two out of three categories."

So, two out of three ain't bad? But don't I need three out of three? No matter, I notice that you can dismiss this as easily as you do the "inherently biased" papers. This just represents yet more handpicking.

"Anyway I hope you survive your DU exposure, other people have not been so lucky. Usually I find out later that people like you - DU proponents or deniers - are just as sick or sicker than their fellow soldiers."

Knock on wood, but it's been almost 17 years since my initial "exposure" and I'm in the box – five by five. Thank you for your concern, though, it has a solid ring of "insincerity".

"I'll ask your wife. Wives are usually much more honest about it. They have to put up with the burning semen."

A bit presumptuous of you for thinking that I have a wife; however, you are correct. We also have three children who range in ages from seven to 11 years old, and not one of them looks like an "Iraqi baby" – whatever you presuppose that to be. As to the "burning semen" comment, I had to chuckle. I immediately pictured Damien from one of the "Omen" movies because your colorful description gives new meaning to the phrase "Spawn of Satan". Tell me, does this then prove that one person's burning is another person's pleasure?

However, no reports of burning semen have ever been offered by my wife. Of course and if we were both paranoid, she could be dishonest intentionally with the omission of any kind of sensation – burning included. Just curious, but could you provide a link to the peer-reviewed study that revealed "burning semen" as one of the symptoms of exposure to DU? I'd be very interested to read it.

I thought we were in agreement that we would confine ourselves to science. It seems, though, that you feel more comfortable responding to constructive criticism via opinion, presumption, and a little splash of conjecture. As a scientist, I thought you had a thorough grasp of the scientific method; however, I appear to have been incorrect on this thought and now must revise my own hypothesis of you accordingly.

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 7:55:52 AM

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Help Needed

Inkster,

I asked a legitimate civil question and I got your rude and zany reply. I was just going to ignore it, but rather than that I remembered a saying, "Never argue with and idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

You SERIOUSLY need to get some help.

by Mike Folkerth (120 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 566 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 10:11:50 AM

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Reply: PUT YOUR WANT AD UP YOUR ALLEY.

Because I am against War, and bombs I need to get help? No pal it is you who needs help. You and your fancy words scientific analysis actually try to make us believe DU is better than eating sliced bread. Don't give us your BS, myself and others have seen years of your lies, years of your death, years of your high flying freedom jibes, and what do we have? We got nothing! Nothing but debt, more terror, more bomb makers, more DU, and bodies stacked to the sky.

I NEED HELP? YOU ARE CRUSING FOR A BRUISING PAL, and not from me. It is yourself.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 6:34:14 AM

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I have done my own research

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp150.pdf  Since Uranium is found in nature, basically all over the United States, we have plenty of examples of its effects...  Here is the Toxicological report of the element....

 Now, someone asked me what kind of evidence I was looking for...  Very simply I am curious as to why it is that the DU in Iraq is causing so many health problems, if the DU used in the Balkans http://www.nato.int/docu/speech/2001/s010124a.htm

The RAND corporation did an extensive study gathering data from other studies and comparing said data to their results...  They found no health problems from people who actually MINED Uranium, actually caused by inhaling the Uranium itself..  Rather they had problems with RADON Gas..  you can read that study here  http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/library/randrep/du/mr1018.7.chap2.html

The IAEA States:  "Based on credible scientific evidence, there is no proven link between DU exposure and increases in human cancers or other significant health or environmental impacts." http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Features/DU/faq_depleted_uranium.shtml#q2

 Now, if someone wants to call MY POST SCRIPTED, and tells me to do some research, Let me suggest that I HAVE... 

Maybe I did not look at the photos of the birth defects and say "WOW, Those birth defects are DEFINITELY caused by DU, and DU should be banned..."

Rather, I asked myself...  Why are there no such birth defects in Bosnia?  Could it be that maybe they were not hit with the level of chemical weapons the likes which killed hundreds of THOUSANDS of Kurds?  I guess nobody who is blaming the DU for all of these problems ever bothered to look to some other cause, did they?

 Ciao, CZ

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 12:43:16 PM

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Reply: OK, that was no fair, but...

Your comments were not scripted. Sorry for saying that. But that was just my first impression on only reading your first comment. It is certainly true that there is a large handful of people on the net that immediately post the old 'trust my chosen authority and anyone who doesn't has some anti-American axe to grind' line.

The fact is, there are many scientists who do in fact argue that DU is basically safe. There are also many that argue the opposite. This all stems from the confusing nature of radiation. For one thing, there are basically 2 sorts of radiation damage to our cells. Alpha is nearly harmless externally, but it is the more damaging sort internally because of its huge particle size (2N + 2P). Beta/Gamma is a danger externally in large enough doses due to the high energy of the smaller particles. All damage depends on the intensity and the exposure time.

DU is bad on both accounts. As an external danger it contains about 10% as much U-235 (beta/gamma) as reactor fuel. If it remains intact, as in an unfired shell, the large amount of U-238 (99.7%) will shield almost all these emission. However, if it is turned to dust or burned to oxides, this shielding no longer occurs. The radioactivity is "released" so to speak through the increase in surface area. Emmissions at the surface can't be shielded. So an area recently dusted by DU is a serious external radiation hazard.

Internally, what we are worried about is the small amounts of retained U-238 because it is an alpha emitter that may emit slowly, but each emission is like a Mac truck from the point of view of nearby DNA. And a single unlucky rupture of this can cause a cancer. Every single cancer must be caused by one singe instance of DNA damage or mutation. Now consider that a bit of U-238 can get lodged in our tissue. It will never decrease the rate at which it releases alpha particles due to the long half-life of U-238. After a few years, there will be a sphere of damaged tissue surrounding the DU. This is a "hotspot" as described in the article. 

So to prove DU safe as a battlefield contaminant, one would have to prove that no DU particles are sequestered in our tissue, but there is clear evidence that it is. In fact, just this week a major story came out in the Guardian (Observer) in which a scientist who once concluded that GW vets do NOT have dangerous amounts of  uranium in their bodies nowfinds that people living near the DU plant in Colonie NY do have significant amounts uranium still in their bodies 20 years later. So he has swung his opinion now to be totally against the use of DU because it constitutes a war crime against civilians living in areas where DU is used. Plus, there is the matter of sensitivity of the tests, so it is still quite possible that vets also suffer from internalized DU dust. In fact, on a statistical level, this is a certainty. While not every smoker gets lung cancer, we can still logically conclude from the fact some do that any amount of a carcinogen will have a statistical effect on a population. The tests that supposedly show vets to retain no measurable DU are just that - urine tests. The DU still inside their bodies is not coming out in their urine. Well, that hardly proves that it is not staying inside them. In fact, some recent research has shown that uranium will bind to DNA, so that particular uranium wouldn't be expected to be coming out in the urine, would it? 

Considering all this, I think the burden of proof falls on the defenders of DU to develop a convincing model of exactly how DU could NOT be dangerous. It is they who need to answer questions, but somehow it has been all turned around.

I have been very interested in this scientific debate which all too often becomes a political debate. As none existed, I set up a BBS for people to use in debating this issue publicly. The site is here. There is also a large link library, many of the links being to scientific studies that have come out both "for" and against DU use as a weapon.

Depleted Uranium BBS Forum

And let's not forget the definition of a dirty bomb. If a terrorist group took some reactor fuel mixed with 9 parts DU plating and burned it to dust in an attack, would this not be called a dirty bomb? 

 

by Peter Dearman (10 articles, 32 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 144 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 3:33:49 PM

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Reply: Your Research is Fatally Flawed.

You are blaming Saddam's gas of the Kurds as the reason for birth defects. Wow why didn't I think of that brilliant analysis? Instead I realized Saddam got the gas from the USA, and the USA encouraged him to use it.  But the gas was not used all over in Iraq, and certainly Vets who returned with DU poisoning were not recipients of the Gas on the Kurds. So I see how you could come to your final analysis Professor Bologna.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 6:45:48 AM

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Don't give it a second thought

My first reaction to the article was the flippant remark I made, and HAD to know, though this didn't get through my head, that I would be clobbered for it...  LOL

 Anyway, in my second post, with all of the links, I really didn't make my bottom line point as clear as I could have...  

My main point was that there is one country where DU seems to be creating a problem, and that country, Iraq, has been throrughly polluted with chemical weapons that actually HAVE been linked to birth defects as well as other severe health problems...    

Now, to prove my point, I have two links.  One is by the state department regarding the weapons tests Saddam perfromed on his own people...  http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm 

 Now I get it...  you don't necessarily buy what the state department is selling given that its interests SHOULD be to defend the US's positions...

So, Take a look at THIS  https://secure.wsws.org/articles/1999/jun1999/thai-j25.shtml 

 Results of US chemical weapons testing...  Pretty amazing....

Bear in mind that I am NOT suggesting that DU is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I am just suggesting that maybe there is something else a bit more sinister at work here...

 

Ciao, CZ 

 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 4:37:30 PM

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And then there's Kuwait....

In addition to Bosnia, I don't' believe there's been any epidemic of birth defects in Kuwait, where likely high amounts of DU weapons were expended.  The prevailing winds likely would have blown residue directly into Kuwait City, as well as the "highway of death" extending from Kuwait City north to Basra.  I'm not sure exactly where most of the retreating Iraqi tanks and other vehicles were hit, but I have found reference to Kuwaiti citizens rushing in to loot the vehicles.  

 A recent evaluation of Kuwait was done by the IAEA, the results hardly resulting in an urgent call for the banning of DU weapons:  

http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub1164_web.pdf 

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 8:21:19 PM

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Reply: As Bush Would Say..."Quite Irrevalant"

Excuse me Allen, but Kuwait was not a target with thousands of cruise missile lauched, nor were they shot at by tanks, and artillary shells. It's the differece of riding down a dirt road with a huge dump truck carrying a load of gravel on a hot dry day. Lots of dust and pretty choaking for people walking or someone riding on a motorcycle behind it, but if you are in a high wheel pickup with A/C and the windows rolled up...not much of an affect. That is Kuwait, not much of an affect. Bosnia was not as massive a campaign as Iraq either, so comparing them is quite (as Bush would say) irrevelant.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 7:02:31 AM

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Reply: Therein lies another myth...

DU is not used in missiles and bombs.  It's just a grand assumption that's been handed down from one computer to the next.

  

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 9:09:51 AM

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Rokke/Lebanon

"Doug Rokke, formerly the top U.S. Army DU clean-up officer and now anti-DU crusader, says Israeli tankers fired radioactive shells during the invasion of Lebanon last year."

This appears to be a myth, or at least unfounded:

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 10:26:19 PM

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Having trouble here ????

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 10:28:33 PM

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Hmmm...links won't post for me for some reason....

Try again later, I guess..

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 10:32:00 PM

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DU in Lebanon

OK, looks like my Apple Safari browser won't bring up the link window, but Firefox does the trick.

DU in Lebanon:

Laka

UNEP

(unep is a 17 mb pdf)

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 3:38:58 PM

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interesting how dom simply ignored my post...

At least Alan's point was called irrelevant...  I guess he could not discuss the bosnia issue?  Funny how that works..  When confronted with facts you don't like, simply ignore them.

 OR was the fact that DU was used extensively in Bosnia irrelevant as well???

Ciao, CZ 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 6:11:20 PM

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Reply: Did not Ignore you.

I did reply Steve, in the post describing the dirt road. Bosnia was not the same as the assault on Iraq. I read your links and do not think gas was or is the cause to birth defects especially to US Vets who have come home. They were not there when the Kurds were attacked, and there were not ground forces in Bosnia. Also missiles and tank shells do use DU. Why wouldn't they? Its the perfect bunker buster, building crusher, tank destroyer.

by Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 7:25:37 PM

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Why did my earlier comments disappear from this comment list

Sherwood - What happened to my earlier comments where I said you deserve a PROJECT CENSORED award for your journalism?  Your comments have also disappeared.

by Leuren Moret (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Sunday, Nov 25, 2007 at 6:52:46 PM

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Reply: Wrong article, Leuren.

You're on the wrong article, you want this one. 

But while you're here, what about that missile at the Pentagon?

How about that global warming being a hoax thing?

Have you ever corrected your erroneous claim about 67% of Mississippi NG children having birth defects, made AFTER a CDC study found no variance from the general population?

What is your scientific basis for thinking you can detect the presence of DU particles in the air in Hawaii using a simple geiger counter miles downwind?

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Sunday, Nov 25, 2007 at 9:51:24 PM

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There's those crickets again....

chirp..chirp...chirp

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 1:02:17 PM

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Reply: Crickets can be used as bait, can't they?

You'll find, Alan, that the cricket chirps a lot with repect to reality here - either as the background noise that IS the article (which tends to get the other crickets chirping away) or as the sound of silence that often results when the obvious and/or rational have been presented counter to the article or comment.

When one permits emotions and politics to dictate scientific discovery, the results are largely pre-determined and there's no changing pre-determinism. 

If you actually use the scientific method or logical reasoning to respond to the cricket chirping found here, you tend to be labeled a mindless thrall incapable of accepting the "truth" because your very mind cannot accept such atrocities from your government.  Essentially, it's not your fault that you don't think like them because you don't have the intellictual or emotional capacity, and therefore, you should be pitied.

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:42:44 AM

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Reply: re: crickets.....

I hear ya, Tom.  It would seem that Leuren has a tendency to disappear -- **poof** -- whenever she's challenged on the nonsense she unleashes on the gullible.  I guess she's smart in that regard, as opposed to actually being legitimately smart (qualified) in the areas of radiation health or epidemiology. 

by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 1:50:25 AM

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