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September 6, 2007 at 11:49:35
Ron Paul's Revolution and the Corporate Opposition by Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Page 1 of 3 page(s) |
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“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Mohandas K. Gandhi. The gloves are off, and it is about time. In the debate this evening in Durham, New Hampshire, Congressman Ron Paul again spoke the truth that all Americans, but especially Republicans, need to hear. No longer gasping at the single-hearted courage that propels Paul to speak truth despite the continued efforts of the NeoCon corporate field to maintain the myths promulgated by the Bush Administration, the corporate CFR candidates, lead by Huckabee, attacked the only real Republican on the stage. The audience applauded loudly. Many of us cheered. The Ron Paul Campaign is reshaping politics in America by raising the inconvenient facts that underly the whole of American government. We have a Constitution; we need to return to it and to the original framing intended by the Founders.
That means an end to the Federal government as we know it today. Left and right, Americans from all political viewpoints are beginning to see the propaganda campaign to which they have been subjected and to understand just how far from freedom the ugly alliance of government and corporations have taken us.
When the debate ended Fox was left holding polling results that showed Paul the clear winner.
Final Results:
Ron Paul 33%
Huckabee- 18%
Giuliani- 15%
McCain- 14%
Romney- 12%
Hunter- 2%
Tancredo- 2%
Brownback- 1%
Naturally, the media will ignore the results, claiming that Paul supporters 'spammed' the poll. But they know perfectly well that is not the case. If it were so the present technologies make proving that a simple matter. The IP addresses do not lie. But lies are thick upon the ground, in every direction.
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Ron Paul Supporters Are Delusional
I fully understand and appreciate why many people embrace Ron Paul; he is a lovely maverick politician. Just one big problem: HE WILL NOT GET THE REPBULICAN NOMINATION!!!!!!! And after the Republican convention, even if he runs on a third party ticket or the ludicrous Unity08 ticket, HE WILL NOT WIN!!!!! What is so sad is not Ron Paul or his supporters, but the delusional thinking of so many people that the current political system is fair enough to allow anyone like Paul to achieve high office. Rather than fight for system reform, all these disgruntled dissidents are working for Paul (and some for Gravel and Kucenich). This support for longshots just makes the current corrupt political system look somewhat honest and competitive - when, in fact, it is NOT!!!!! Yes, what I'm saying, is that all these supporters just make the corrupt system look better than it really is - and it makes it more difficult for everyone to fully recognize just how awful and delusional American democracy has become. by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Sep 6, 2007 at 4:48:45 PM
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Reply: The delusion is yours
Nice rant but short on facts. Paradigms do not shift gradually but through a process similar to punctuated evolution (though given your expressed opinion here you might not accept the theory of evolution), if not that is your problem. All human culture is illusion; the acceptance of a set of shared ideas that are used as long as they work well enough to satisfy the majority. When that stops being the case people start looking for something else. This also explains the move back to evangelical churches. People are looking for stability and values in their communities when the conditions that created those in their larger world are breaking down. That works to a limited extent. But with the final suck on the economy and the terrorism of Americans now underway by the Bush Administration that is also breaking down. Human opinion and action reaches a point of supersaturation and then change takes place. The British could not believe colonists, especially those from New England who were known to be very unwarlike, would resist authority when the point was pressed. They did, however. The build up had been taking place for decades, building on a culture whose operating customs and principles had diverged from those of Britain. Answering the call 10,000 men where marching towards the scene of battle within 24 hours. You are seeing the Ron Paul campaign through a lense external to the action so you are framing it along with other 'political' campaigns. It is not a political campaign at all. It is a slow motion, non-violent revolution undertaken not by Ron Paul (he always says he is being dragged along) but by activists most of whom were previously entirely uninterested in politics. by Melinda Pillsbury-Foster (141 articles, 1 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 121 comments) on Thursday, Sep 6, 2007 at 5:09:32 PM
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Reply: Delusion versus substance
For some years I have been advocating a peaceful Second American Revolution and wrote a book making the case for one (Delusional Demomcracy). For years I taught at the university level about paradigm changes; this subject started with a classic book by Thomas Kuhn: The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. The fundamental point about paradigm changes is that they are profound STUCTURAL changes; they can be models or frameworks in science, law, philosophy or government. They are extremely substantive and definitely not about personalities; they are highly intellectual and substantial, not emotional. I see nothing structural or systemic in the crowd that has found political love through the Ron Paul campaign; I have read most of all the writings of Paul over the past decade and see nothing in terms of political/government structural change that would take the nation in a new and better direction. by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Sep 6, 2007 at 6:34:27 PM
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GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GOD BLESS RON PAUL!
GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GOD BLESS RON PAUL! Best Ron Paul video - (Reply: WRONG!…Best Presidential Candidacy Video EVER!!!) by nmlifestyles (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Thursday, Sep 6, 2007 at 5:15:49 PM
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Ron Paul
Ron Paul is clearly the best of the Republicans but Dennis Kucinich is the best candidate overall. Ron Paul is too much of a coward. Paul like most of the other Republicans declined to participate in a debate at the University Of Miami broadcast on Univision so the Republican debate had to be cancelled. by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 888 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Sep 6, 2007 at 5:30:10 PM
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Reply: Ron Paul is no coward
Kucinich is nice. He has no movement for reasons those close to him understand. He would make a great VP candidate for Ron. That would work well as life insurance, too. by Melinda Pillsbury-Foster (141 articles, 1 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 121 comments) on Thursday, Sep 6, 2007 at 5:34:58 PM
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corrected link ...
Best Ron Paul video - (Reply: WRONG!…Best Presidential Candidacy Video EVER!!!) by nmlifestyles (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Thursday, Sep 6, 2007 at 5:44:02 PM
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The CFR: One World Government and the End of the U.S.
The CFR needs to be included in any discussion of the candidates, of both parties. Being a member of the Council on Foreign Relations is very much like being a member of the mafia: the CFR is a nasty, secret organization with a great front: education and culture. (This is a bit like the Corleone family's olive oil business). Their aim is one world government (and related organizations such as WTO, GATT, NAFDA) and its parent organization, The Tavistock Institute, was instrumental in forging the European Union. As you probably know, the North American Union is moving forward, and it was planned at the CFR. Even today Mexican trucks are rolling into the U.S. and the NAFDA super-highway is being built. However, I am not convinced that Mike Huckabee is a member of the CFR. I can certainly find validation for: Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback; Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Joe Biden. As well, many top broadcasters, industrialiasts and media moguls are members of the CFR. This makes sense: they all want to rule the world. Those candidates which are not CFR members are: Ron Paul (my favorite candidate, ever); Dennis Kuchinich, Mike Gravel and (I think) Mike Huckabee. by zenpiper (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 16 comments) on Thursday, Sep 6, 2007 at 9:35:10 PM
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Reply: Huckabee and the CFR
I found his name on a list of members. The person who compiled the list could have been wrong, though they usually are not. CFR does not supply open information on their membership. I will check around again but certainly the way he attacked Paul does not lead you to the belief he would like to fill the Bush shoes and keep going in the same direction. by Melinda Pillsbury-Foster (141 articles, 1 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 121 comments) on Thursday, Sep 6, 2007 at 10:22:28 PM
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Whether or not I agree with RP's policies
which I don't, I'll forgoe my criticisms here to say that.... Chris Wallace and the rest of the lamestream media have disgraced themselves. Not just on RP's treatment but also on their treatment of Kucinich....(or, if you dig deep enough ...Howard Dean's as well) I was recently watching 'Orwell Rolls Over in His Grave' and realised that by now for most americans it should long since have been made abundantly clear that as long as the media consolidates into fewer and fewer hands it begins to serve fewer and fewer interests. Those interests have already decided for the rest of us that they'd rather not have a Paul (GOP) v.s. Kucinich (Dem) 2008 presidential race which I think would likely be the case if there were anything even remotely resembling a free and unbiased press existing in the US. Most likely the race wouldn't even be between just two political parties if we were talking about democracy in the truest sense of the word but one representing a greater image of political pluralism. For instance, The Blue Dog Democrats dilute any possibility of there being any substantial political opposition party. What we really need is regulation that would limit media monopolies... the kind of regulation that ironically Ron Paul would likely oppose. by chariotdrvr14 (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 159 comments [7 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Sep 7, 2007 at 10:43:03 AM
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Ron Paul's Big problem with Progressives
I like Ron Paul's stand on the war and his stand against destroying and continuing to aband the constitution. In these ways, he is a very strong candidated. However, he is not very progressive. He is libertarian. There are some good things about the libertarian criteria but there are key problems. For example, Ron Paul on the famous GOOGLE interview said that cities and states don't need zoning and urban planning. He used HOUSTON, TEXAS as an example. That is a joke if anyone has lived or traveled regularly in or across that city-state (bigger than Rhode Island for example), HOUSTON is a mess. Anytime, there is a hurricane scare, things are even worse. In post-Katrina America, we need something more than blind libertarian. by ALONE (196 articles, 1 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 557 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Sep 7, 2007 at 11:45:52 AM
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Reply: Progressives and forms
Ron's candidacy is for President. His commitment to return to the original scope for Federal government intended by the Founders means returning control to the people at the most local area. What the last 100 years has proven is that centralization does not work. The concentration of money proved to be an irresistible temptation to the unethical greedy. Progressive philosophy built the road to hell with the best of intentions. Progressives were also responsible for the Pledge of Allegiance, an atrocity visited on us in an attempt to change the form of government from a flawed Republic to a centralized socialist state they thought would be more benevolent. We all make mistakes. No Progressive living today was part of those choices but they each is responsible for examining the facts and outcomes that debunk their theories. We need to stop experimenting using ourselves as the Guinea Pigs to 'prove' the entirely theoretical and mostly fictional flights of fancy of a bunch of men with more time on their hands than common sense. It makes far more sense to proceed locally, allowing people to risk what they feel they can personally afford to risk. Using government to experiment on others is, was, and always will be, outrageous. This was wrong, no matter who wanted to try out their ideas, right, left, or whatever. Progressives need to enter the real world. They will like it, it is nice here, mostly. by Melinda Pillsbury-Foster (141 articles, 1 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 121 comments) on Friday, Sep 7, 2007 at 12:34:26 PM
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Ron Paul by any name is a Republican
This article should have had a disclaimer saying it was an ad for Ron Paul. Plenty of GOP conspiracy theories, spin, hype, not a lot of facts. Here's one fact for you if RP does get ellected he will be subjected to the same GOP institutional restrictions and master serving as any other. Fact two The God bothering base won't support a loose cannon. I've read his web site and remain under whelmed, he is simply Republican Light. I doubt that he'll be allowed to unravel GOP base sacred cows like the dismantling of Rowe V Rowe judgements. Gay marriage, The bully boy paronoid foreign policy, millitary/Covert excesses? by Andris (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 531 comments) on Friday, Sep 7, 2007 at 10:24:49 PM
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Reply: Ron Paul is not so much a candidate as a movement...
It would be useful if you were more specific when criticizing. Theories are sets of ideas asserted without proof. It is a fact that Rove, Reed, Robertson, and Abramoff planned the creation of an Evengelical political movement. They then trained them to take over the Republican Party. They carried that out in front of other members of Young Republicans. One of them is a long time political associate. He has not published and I do not use his name. Ron Paul inspires enthusiasm. Bet you wish you could say that about some Democrat. Your theories, for instance what would happen if Ron is elected really are theories. Or did you consult your Ouiji Board? If he is elected then the Republican Party as it is today will have ceased to exist so you are wrong on that count. Many of the people who are signing up to support him and reregistering Republican are Progressives and other Democrats. They understand that they can't trust the corporate Dem. candidates and so are going for the candidate who gives them the best shot at change and less government. Wow. Another theory. What is a God bothering base? I think you mean the TheoCons who are now trying to hold onto their Evangelical Base but it is hard to tell. Ron is not a loose cannon anyway. He consistently supports the position of Austrian Economic Theory; he is determined to return the Federal government to its original conformation. Small and limited. I will try to deal with the disappointment of your lack of enthusiasm. If I had to take one of the choices presented to Democrats I would vote for the ass. I was pretty unhappy until Ron declared and this amazing entirely unsolicited movement started. None of us believed it at first. Really, I would be jealous, too. You don't know Ron. If you did you would understand. He has 18 grandchildren, five kids all happily married. No divorces in the family. He calls his wife,"Lovey" and when you see him looking at her you know she is the center of his universe. That in itself makes him worth supporting. Compare him to the run of the Hill Republicans and you know he is different. by Melinda Pillsbury-Foster (141 articles, 1 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 121 comments) on Friday, Sep 7, 2007 at 11:28:41 PM
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Jermano for President
Do more Hydroponics Research, and implementation. Protect lands for wildlife instead of converting to corn for Ethanol Protect Ocean Fish by building SugarCityCane, a consortium Ethanol Organization that grows sugarcane on floating acre size rafts on the ocean; connected in series like a train for the pupose of making ethanol for the world market, not just the USA. by
Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Saturday, Sep 8, 2007 at 5:35:51 AM
Wow. And so well organized. by
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster (141 articles, 1 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 121 comments) on Saturday, Sep 8, 2007 at 9:32:24 AM
You can say anything you want. No matter how small you dice the pie, or eliminate corporations that too can be viewed as fascism. You and I and them or Jesus are all little Hitlers? You decide! So much for helping the Kiribati People right? That definitely is a Hitler stunt! You are a Pillsbury all right. Whew! by
Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:17:14 AM
I know that this is all very confusing for you but when you are older it will make perfect sense. by
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster (141 articles, 1 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 121 comments) on Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:29:55 AM
I'm already 50. And it only gets worse. Presidents of Saudi Arabia and Egypt China and Russia are not going to get involved with the Middle East. China's only concern is China. They are not hegemonists, only the belief of self defense. China does not want war, and does not want interference in their countries interior affairs. Russia is the same, except they will make a buck by selling and making weapons deals with countries such as Indonesia. If war broke out with Iran, I suspect Russia will support Iran with weapons, but not men in the field. China and Russia have all the Oil supplies they need. They don't need Iraq Oil or Saudi Oil. China will always drag its feet in concern to world affairs especially with war or inviting them to the front. They are and will not join the bandwagon. Myself included. Everyone knows this is not about the USA and fighting Iraq. It is really about the security of Israel. If they can drive a wedge to prove Israels right to Arab land, and to make the Arabs docile Native American Indians, then they become the dominant power in the region. Someday Saudi Arabia is going to wake up and take back their blacksheep, Osama and together with Iran, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, and possibly Egypt forge a new Arab Alliance, and work against US and Israeli interests in the Region. They are going to realize that neither country has Oil resources, and the only reason they exist is to find means to sucking and taking their oil resources. They do this by inciting human right abuses, while stealing Arab Land. And once they establish their form of governance, Arabs will become like grains of sand, something to walk on, spit on, and blown in the wind. Arabs will have nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if Saudi Arabia doesn't make the bomb next, not Iran. It wouldn't take much, and it would be an October surprise to Israel. George Bush would be boxed in with Iraq sucking them to the bone over the past 16 years, the threat of Iran getting the bomb, and then Saudi Arabia awakening to the fact they have been duped by the USA, who doesn't need their Oil now, because they take it freely from Iraq. I think major strategy shifts will develop. Saudi Arabia will learn it needs to hang onto its Oil supply, no matter the price of OPEC. Violence will escalate in Iraq with pipelines targeted, making Iraq another Israeli Palestine hotspot that will go on for years. Then the waiting game on who runs out of Oil first Saudi Arabia or Iraq reserves. With the bombing of Iraq pipelines the reserves will last, until the Arab Alliance brokers a deal to buy Iraq reserves, and literally close the western door in the region. If Saudi Arabia gains Iraqi crude Israel is going to be hoping for more than Olive branches to sort this out. With Israel having the bomb, and Iran gaining to get one, then Saudi Arabia gets one, there is going to be one big show down in the future. by
Dom Jermano (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 40 diaries, 930 comments) on Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 6:47:35 AM
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