Some here may argue that Samir Kuntar was acting as a "freedom fighter" on behalf of his oppressed people and religion. I know by his actions that Kuntar was a bully, coward, and murderer of innocents and innocence. Accept it or not, there IS evil in the world and Kuntar embodies it. Evil - that which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction at the expense or loss of others.

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:40:34 PM

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Strange timing. This is propaganda piece that has been floating around the Internet for over a year. Why is it resurfacing now? It is essentially an anti-Hezbollah diatribe designed to demonize Hezbollah in the worst way.

Is it surfacing now because the US and Israel are on the verge of attacking Iran, and perhaps Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas? Gotta demonize those we would utterly destroy.

The whole piece is rife with falsehoods. It is well known that Israel and the White House had already pre-planned a war to destroy Hezbollah, and, because border incidents were not uncommon, was waiting for an incident to occur to justify a massive attack on Lebanon. July 12, 2006 provided such an excuse, if you can call it that. Moreover, the Israeli version has never been proven. Initial reports placed the two captured Israeli soldiers INSIDE Lebanon, and virtually all the media globally intitially reported it this way. Soon however, all the Western media shifted the location to inside of Israel. How interesting.

Here is what the Center for democracy in Lebanon said happened:

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Beginning of conflict

At 9:05 AM local time on 12 July 2006 a ground contingent of Hezbollah militants attacked two Israeli armored Humvees on a routine patrol along the Israel-Lebanon border near the Israeli village of Zar'it with anti-tank rockets, abducting two Israeli soldiers, and killing three. Five others were killed later on the Lebanese side of the border on 12 July during a mission to rescue the two captured soldiers. According to the Lebanese police force, the Israeli soldiers were attacked and captured on the Lebanese side of the border on 12 July during a mission to infiltrate the Lebanese town of Ayta al-Sha'b.

The IDF confirmed the capture of the two Israeli soldiers on 13 July and identified them as Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, both reservists who were on their last day of operational duty.

Hezbollah's attack was named after a "promise" by its leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah to capture Israeli soldiers and swap them for Samir Kuntar and other Lebanese prisoners held by Israel.

Hezbollah released a statement saying "Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon". Later on, Sayyid Hassan Nasrallah declared that "No military operation will return them… The prisoners will not be returned except through one way: indirect negotiations and a trade of prisoners."

Israeli response

According to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Israel responded within 2 hours

"[A] force of tanks and armored personnel carriers was immediately sent into Lebanon in hot pursuit. It was during this pursuit, at about 11:00 A.M. . . . [a] Merkava tank drove over a powerful bomb, containing an estimated 200 to 300 kilograms (440–660 Lb) of explosives, about 70 meters (230 ft) north of the border fence. The tank was almost completely destroyed, and all four crew members were killed instantly. Over the next several hours, IDF soldiers waged a fierce fight against Hezbollah gunmen . . . During the course of this battle, at about 3:00 P.M., another soldier was killed and two were lightly wounded."

Israel's chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, told Israel's Channel 10, "If the soldiers are not returned, we will turn Lebanon's clock back 20 years." Retired Israeli army Col. Gal Luft, a former commander in the town of Ramallah, said:

"Israel is attempting to create a rift between the Lebanese population and Hezbollah supporters by exacting a heavy price from the elite in Beirut. The message is: If you want your air conditioning to work and if you want to be able to fly to Paris for shopping, you must pull your head out of the sand and take action toward shutting down Hezbollah-land."

Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Olmert declared the attack by Hezbollah’s military wing an “act of war”, and promised Lebanon a “very painful and far-reaching response.” Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz also said that “the State of Israel sees itself free to use all measures that it finds it needs, and the Israeli Forces have been given orders in that direction.”

Israel said it held the Beirut government responsible for the attack, but Prime Minister Fuad Siniora denied any knowledge of the raid and stated that he did not condone it. An emergency meeting of the Lebanese government reaffirmed this position.

Early on 13 July 2006 Israel sent IDF jets to bomb Lebanon's international airport near Beirut, forcing its closure and diverting its arriving flights to Cyprus. Israel is now imposing an air and sea blockade on Lebanon, and has bombed the roads connecting Lebanon with Syria.

Hezbollah rocket campaign

On 14 July, following Israeli bombing raids on Lebanon that killed 60 civilians Nasrallah said, addressing Israel: "You wanted an open war, and we are heading for an open war. We are ready for it."

After the Israeli initial response, Hezbollah declared an all-out military alert, and said it had 13,000 rockets capable of hitting towns and installations far into northern Israel. As a result, Defense Minister Peretz told commanders to prepare civil defense plans and many of the nearly 1,000,000 civilians living in Northern Israel have been sent to bomb shelters or fled their homes to other parts of the country. Hezbollah continued to fire hundreds of Katyusha rockets into northern Israel's towns and cities, including Nahariya, Safed, Hatzor HaGlilit, Rosh Pina, Kiryat Shmona, and Karmiel, and numerous small agricultural villages.

Targeting of civilian areas

The alleged targeting of civilian areas in Israel and Lebanon by combatants on both sides has figured prominently in the conflict. A vast majority of the hundreds of Lebanese casualties have been civilians, including women and children, whereas around one-third (18 civilians out of 51 dead) of Israeli casualties have been civilians.

UN humanitarian chief Jan Egeland, while calling Israel's offensive "disproportionate" and "a violation of international humanitarian law", also accused Hezbollah of "cowardly blending" among Lebanese civilians and causing the deaths of hundreds during two weeks of cross-border conflict with Israel.

Casualties

Lebanese: According to various media, between 481 and 750 people are reported dead. Additionally, there have been between 500 and 3200 people wounded, and over 800,000 have been made refugees, with an unknown number of missing civilians in the south. On 28 July Lebanese Health Minister Mohammad Khalifeh announced that hospitals in Lebanon had received 401 dead Lebanese people since 12 July. He also reportedly said: "On top of those victims, there are 150 to 200 bodies still under the rubble. We have not been able to pull them out because the areas they died in are still under fire".

Hezbollah acknowledges 49 killed. IDF Chief of Staff Lt. General Dan Halutz has claimed that close to 100 Hezbollah fighters have been killed as of 22 July, in land fighting in South Lebanon. IDF claimed the killing of more than 300 Hezbollah fighters as of August 1, offering a comprehensive list of those killed.

Israeli: 36 Israeli soldiers have been killed (including one pilot, killed in a collision between two helicopters, and two in another helicopter crash, also 4 servicemen were killed after INS Hanit was hit), and 129 more wounded.
20 civilians have been killed, while another 418 civilians were treated in hospitals, 19 of whom were seriously injured, and another 875 treated for shock. Many civilians have left their homes in northern Israel and went south. Some Israeli cities and villages near the Israeli-Lebanese border have been deserted, such as Kiryat Shmona and Nahariya, from fear of rockets and mortar fire.

Environmental consequences of attacks

IDF strikes on the Jiyeh power plant in Lebanon on 13 July and 15 July caused 25,000 tons of oil to spill into the Mediterranean and constitutes an environmental disaster for the region. At present an oil slick covers 80km of Lebanon's 200km coastline. The slick is reportedly causing breathing problems, killing fish, and threatening the habitat of the endangered green sea turtle.
 
The IDF has been criticized for its use of depleted uranium warheads (e.g., GBU-28 "Bunker Buster" munitions which is delivered by U.S. during the conflict , armor-piercing artillery and sabot shells) because of their indiscriminate nature and resulting toxic environmental contamination. GBU-28 munitions are in use by the IDF in Lebanon against infrastructure which the IDF claim houses Hezbollah.

BBC reported that Hezbollah rockets have caused some forest fires inside Northern Israel. (source)

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Israel and Mossad always twst the facts every which way to justify their antics and agressions. They are cold-stone killers with abysmal human rights records. They regularly railroad, mistreat and torture their prisoners. They are planning new assaults rigtht now.

They have slain thousands of Lebanese and Plaestinians over the years, including women and children, so this article, which takes the kernal of truth about a bloody crime against Israeli civilians by a 16 year old Lebanese and uses it to tar Hezbollah, is exceedingly disingenuous. What is the biblical admonition? Take the log out of your own eye before decrying the splinter in another's?

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1417 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 11:09:56 PM

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The reason this article was probably published "now" is because Israel is going to free Kuntar "any" day. AND NOT BECAUSE  "the US and Israel are on the verge of attacking Iran, and perhaps Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas"! So get your facts straight, because when you say comments like those you sound like an IDIOT!!!! 

Israel and hezbollah in the past two weeks have already began a limited prisoner exchange. And there is heavy chatter in Israel that Kuntar will be freed really soon. 

Think before you talk!

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:22:51 AM

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The only thing I have seen in the media is that Israel and Hezbollah have exchanged corpses, and that this may be a positive step toward prisoner exchanges. And I follow world news pretty closely. Are you privy to reports I haven't seen. How's that make me look like an idiot? Your hyperbole suggests you are trying to repress unpleasant truths about Israel within yourself. Who is the dogmatist here?

I posed a question and gave a possible and logical solution. But I didn't make any dogmatic statements. And is it not true that before states attack other entities, they go through the ritualistic demonization of the opponent.

Perhaps Rachel Neuwirth will provide the answer, instead of being so cryptic.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1417 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 11:55:19 AM

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Mac McKinney,
I am sorry Mr. Mckinney, I see you were caught with your pants down. Because you finally realize that this article was written because it coincides with the limited prisoner exchange (corpses) that has begun between Israel and Hezbollah, and NOT with the looming war that will be waged against Iran and Syria by the US and Israel!

In all the replies you wrote today and yesterday concerning this article, I haven't heard you even once condemn the act of Samir Kuntar. Because instead, you look for any excuse why the Jews are always to blame and the Arabs are 100,000% incapable of doing anything wrong.

Maybe in your next reply, you will get caught with your pants down again.

Thanks

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 2:12:20 PM

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Nothing said has proven that this over a year old article was posted because Israel is about to release Kuntar, and I haven't retracted anything. Nothing I've read supports the belief that Kuntar is about to be released.

Why don't you ask Rachel Neuwirth what her intention was? If she really thought Kuntar was about to be released and that was her real intention for posting this, then I will readily abridge my original comment. Meanwhile, you better look at the article from IsraelInsider that I just posted below my next paragraph. It was written ten days ago. Did Rachel miss this article?

Let's see, why didn't I condemn the Kuntar attack? Because it was written with a very political sub-text, laced with terrorist this and terrorist, which puts the reader in the negative mindset that "now we can commit similar crimes against those we have just ostracized from the human race through semantics." That's why. If you are now branded a terrorist, you can be drawn and quartered and the self-righteous will applaud every ripped out limb. Kuntar's victims were of course a tragedy, but one of thousands on both sides in self-perpetuating cycles of violence. Hatred only breeds more hatred. Both sides are filled with hatred, so how do we break the cycle. It certainly won't be through more violence.

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Israel: Kuntar will not be exchanged in prisoner swap

By Israel Insider staff  October 21, 2007 (source)

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The prime minister's coordinator for missing soldiers, Ofer Dekel, stressed that Samir Kuntar, a Lebanese terrorist being held in an Israeli prisoner after being convicted of murdering members of a family in Nahariya in cold blood, will not be exchanged a prisoner swap with Hezbollah. Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah has long demanded Kuntar's release in exchange for information on Ron Arad, who was kidnapped in Lebanon in 1986. After Hezbollah last week gave Israel a letter written by Arad in 1988, which reportedly provided no insight into his case, the terrorist organization is demanding that Israel now hand over Kuntar, according to an article in Der Spiegel that will be published on Monday. The letter proved "that Hezbollah has at least part of the puzzle," the terrorist organization said, despite Nasrallah's admission last week that Hezbollah did not no anything about Arad's whereabouts. Dekel said that Kuntar "will not be part of any deal concerning the abducted soldiers," referring to the two reservists, Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, who were abducted last year by Hezbollah, sparking the Second Lebanon War. Israel's 2004 offer on Kuntar still stands, he said. "We will not release him without receiving information about the fate of Ron Arad," Dekel told the German magazine. Last week Israel gave Hezbollah one mentally ill prisoner along with the remains of two other prisoners in exchange for the body of Gabriel Dawit, a civilian who washed up on Lebanese shores after drowning in the Mediterranean Sea last year. Dekel, however, stressed that "we are not close to a final deal" on securing the reservists' release.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1417 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 3:51:29 PM

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I wish you were right and I was wrong! I wish that Israel would stand by its word and never free Kuntar, but unfortunately it might not be the case. Unfortunately they might release him. Israel almost freed Kuntar in 2004 but since Hezbollah was not able to provide solid evidence on the fate of Ron Arad (Israeli pilot who was kidnapped in Lebanon in the 1980's) Kuntar remained behind bars. But there is now talk in Israel about dropping the demand for the fate of Ron Arad for the exchange of Kuntar. Israel might release him as per demands of Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, in exchange for their two soldiers who were kidnapped in July 12, 2006. Ever since the kidnapping, Nasrallah refused to give out any word concerning the fate of the two soldiers. He said that only on the day of the prisoner exchange Israel would find out the fate of their soldiers. Israel would either get back soldiers or they would get back caskets with body bags.

If you would look back at the "Israel Hezbollah Prisoner Exchange of 2004," it was the same situation, only on the day of the exchange Israel found out that their soldiers were dead. On the day of the exchange, Israel signed the release of 23 Lebanese and 400 Palestinians. While at the same time a plane, which flew in from Lebanon landed in Germany, with the soldiers and the Israeli businessman Elchanan Tennenbaum on board, when the doors of the plane opened ‘only’ then did Israel, realized that their soldiers were dead. They suspected they were dead, just like now they suspect the soldiers from the July 12 kidnapping are dead. But the only difference now, is, that Israel will release a child murderer just for that small minute chance that their soldiers are alive.

I see it, partially Israel's fault for not killing Kuntar when they caught him, they should have killed him in such a way, that it would make it seem like he died from natural cause. But instead they sentenced him to 542 years in prison. Israel even tried to pass a bill to execute Kuntar, in fact Kuntar was the closest man to be executed in Israel since Adolf Eichmen. Details below:

"The Israeli government determined at first to make a decision to execute Kuntar, for his horrific crime, especially for the fact that he tortured and beat to death the 4-year old toddler. Israeli Prime Minister at that time, Menachem Beagin , proposed a draft resolution to the Security and Foreign Affairs Committee in the Israeli Keenest on April 24, 1979. He demanded to eliminate a previous resolution stipulated by the Israeli cabinet, which said no execution should be implemented against terrorists as the international law prohibits it. The Israeli Foreign Minister Izer Weizman and Transportation Minister Hayeem Landau supported Beagin’s draft resolution. Abraham Sharer, who was the head of the Likude parliamentary bloc also, called for Kuntar’s execution. Isaac Shamir issued a statement on April 25, 1979 also calling for his execution.

BAD IMAGE - http://www.samirkuntar.net/Samir_in_the_court.jpg (must exist and begin with http)

Today October 31, 2007 Spain sentenced some of the terrorists, responsible for the train bombings that killed 119 people, to 43,000 years in prison. But unfortunately since Spain is like Israel and doesn't have death penalty, I bet you that in the next ten years some Al Qaeda terrorists will kidnapp some Spanish citizens and demand the Spanish government to release the perpetrators of the Madrid bombings. And Spain, just like Israel, will stupidly bow down and surrender and release those inmates.

By the way I posted for you below some links, articles, and references about Samir Kuntar, from neutral perspectives, including Al Jazeera which all acknowledge what he was convicted of (and also watch the video on the bottom of the video-interview with Smadar Haran on CBC):

Israel moots Kuntar prisoner swap
(AL-JAZEERA 9/17/2006)
Free the monster Samir Kuntar
(Haaretz article 09/04/2006)
Plot to free terrorist (Kuntar) may have led to fight
(Washington Times 8/8/2006)
Nasrallah says no deal without Samir
(9/12/2006 BBC article "Nasrallah Demands Militant Free")
"Hizballah Wants Israel to Free Child-Killer"
(Cybercast News Service, 7/18/2006)
More than 25 years later, militant still atop Hezbollah's list for swap
(Seattle Times 8/16/2006)
Why Hezbollah Attacked Israel
(Mens News Daily 8/09/2006)
Samir Kuntar to be released very soon
The Jerusalem Post 1/6/2007
Video of an interview with Smadar Haran on CBC
(RealPlayer required)

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 12:08:13 AM

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"Israel and Mossad always twst [sic] the facts every which way to justify their antics and agressions. They are cold-stone killers with abysmal human rights records. They regularly railroad, mistreat and torture their prisoners. They are planning new assaults rigtht [sic] now."

Phew! Thanks for proving me right about the statement that some here think that Samir Kuntar was acting as a "freedom fighter" on behalf of his oppressed people and religion. And you thoughtfully threw in the bit about Israel and the Mossad. Thanks for the lack of insight here!

by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2103 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 11:38:01 PM

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All the insert says is that Hezbollah wanted Kuntar and other prisoners back. No glorification of Kuntar. The rest you are inserting.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1417 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 9:40:51 AM

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I was gratified to see the comment about this article being one year old news. My reaction on reading it was that it was all too pat and sanitized, and even if true - isn't the fact that Israel's despicable treatment of the Palestinians in Lebanon under Sharon's 'delicate' treatment in the 80's in the Palestinian refugee camps while the Lebanon's 'Christian' Phalanges slaughtered hundreds, kind of balance it out? Israel is being hoisted by its own petard and will, if there is any justice, get its comeuppance.
And I hear that many thousands of Jewish people have left Israel, even having been born there, because of the repressive military Zionist regime, that Iran's President said will disappear from the pages of time. The last I read is that over one million have emigrated out of Israel in the last 20 years. So much for the shining light on the hill, a bit like the Bush regime, two sides of the same coin.

by ibrahim turner (26 articles, 32 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 184 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 12:26:58 AM

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A few facts:

"Hezbollah began with the determination "to drive Israeli troops from Lebanon. In May 2000 - due partly to the success of the party's military arm - one of its main aims was achieved. Israel's battered and bruised army was forced to end its two-decade occupation of the south. Hezbollah now serves as an inspiration to Palestinian factions fighting to liberate occupied territory. Hezbollah was conceived in 1982 by a group of clerics after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. It was formed primarily to offer resistance to the Israeli occupation. Inspired by the success of the Iranian Revolution, the party also dreamt of transforming Lebanon's multi-confessional state into an Iranian-style Islamic state. Although this idea was abandoned and the party today is a well-structured political organisation with members of parliament. Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Its definition of Israeli occupation has also encompassed the idea that the whole of Palestine is occupied Muslim land and it has argued that Israel has no right to exist.



"For many years, Hezbollah was synonymous with terror, suicide bombings and kidnappings. In 1983, militants who went on to join Hezbollah ranks carried out a suicide bombing attack that killed 241 US marines in Beirut...The party has operated with neighbouring Syria's blessing - with the guerrilla war against being a card for Damascus to play in its own confrontation with Israel over the occupation of the Golan Heights. Over the two decades, Hezbollah evolved into a movement with thousands of trained guerrillas, members of parliament and a dynamic welfare programme benefiting thousands of Lebanese. The group's successful hit-and-run guerrilla war on Israel's much-vaunted army assured it some support and a lot or respect from other religious communities. While, the US listed the group as a terrorist organisation, the government in Beirut declared it a national resistance movement." -Kathryn Westcott, BBC News Online
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

MORE FACTS FROM IF AMERICANS KNEW:

1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

119 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 971 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

1,025 Israelis and at least 4,308 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

7,633 Israelis and 31,531 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

  The U.S. gives more than $7,023,288 per day to the Israeli government and military and gives no money to the Palestinians.

LEARN MORE:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

by Eileen Fleming (172 articles, 101 quicklinks, 274 diaries, 650 comments [16 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 3:08:16 AM

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Fleming, instead of inventing fabrications and lies, please read this article about the Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails.

Thanks

http://samirkuntar.net/Shalit.html

On June 25, 2006 Hamas terrorists encouraged, inspired and abetted by the "moderate" Hamas government staged an attack on the Israeli Defense forces inside Israel. Three soldiers were killed. Another soldier, Gilad Shalit, was kidnapped and taken to Gaza. The cross-border infiltration by Hamas "guerillas" was unprovoked for Israel had completely extricated itself from all of Gaza in August 2005. Coincidentally, this event occurred the very same weekend that Ehud Olmert pledged to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas his plan to release some Palestinian prisoners as a "good will" gesture to both the Abbas government and to the so-called "Palestinian People." 

When Hamas got wind of Olmert's "good will gesture" pledge to Abbas and his Fatah-led Palestinian Authority, they reacted quickly to blow this plan right out of the water! There was no way Hamas would allow Abbas any free diplomatic kudos at their expense. Thus, Hamas' most senior leaders in Damascus, Syria, in coordination with their Gaza military wing, gave the green light to their foot soldiers to launch attacks on the IDF post inside Israel Proper. The plan was to kidnap IDF soldiers in order to exchange them for the many terrorists leaders residing within Israeli jails.

There are currently 10,000 Palestinian prisoner held in Israeli jails. Israel has on multiple occasions it would seriously consider releasing Arabs with no blood on their hands. It has been done in the past and most expect that, under the right conditions, it would happen again. It is important to keep in mind that all Palestinian prisoners are serving time for something. Israel is not a "gangster" or "lawless" state that imprisons people based solely on a whim. Every prisoner was charged, stood trail, convicted and properly sentenced. They were not kidnapped simply because they were Arabs. Hence, there is no justification in comparing the kidnapped Israeli soldiers and the imprisoned Arabs.

There are some Arabs being held in detentions without being immediately charged. Israel special security needs mandate that the security services have a bit more leeway. For this reason, some detainees may be held for weeks or longer before being imprisoned or cleared and released.

There is a fine line between a humanitarian release of prisoners and knuckling under to unadulterated extortion. There is also a huge difference between someone with hatred in his head and he who has blood on his hands!  Nobody expects that Arabs who are released will become Lovers of Zion!  But those who have committed murder or collaborated in the planning of that murder should be considered an unacceptable risk. It goes beyond forgiving terrorism. It becomes an abetting in any future terrorism carried out by those released.  Israel will viewed as a weak state that can be brought to its knees by extortion.

We know what message it sends to Hamas and all other Arab terror groups. But what obscene  messages does it send to the families of those Israeli murdered. And what demoralizing  message does it send to the Israeli troops and security services who risked their lives in order to capture the Arab thugs? 

There is no doubt that Gilad Shalit needs to be unconditionally released from Gaza, Syria, Iran or from wherever he is now being held. Olmert's "good will gesture" has disaster written all over it. Appeasement didn't work with Hitler and it will not work with Hamas.  "Negotiations" will not work either for over what exactly is there to negotiate? How far will Israel go to assure its own disappearance? Negotiations usually involve "give and take."  Unfortunately, it seems Israel always "gives" and the Arabs always "take!"

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Conclusion....

Israel is always willing 100% of the time to negotiate and release prisoners, EXCEPT for those prisoners that have blood on their hands, which Israel gives them "life-sentences." Therefore the Palestinians know, that the only way to liberate those "prisoners" with blood on their hands, that Israel vowed NEVER to release, IS through kidnapping Israeli soldiers, in order to force Israel into surrendering those prisoners (with blood on their hands) through a prisoner exchange!

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:33:17 AM

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Click the video to see TRUE Israeli abuse of Palestinian and Lebanese Prisoners:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9hW3jxt-Fr4

Enjoy

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:35:19 AM

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Unfortunately your father chose an ugly wife to marry, and that is why you are so ugly too.

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 4:03:11 PM

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Excuse me but soldiers are never 'abducted'. what a stupid word to use!. They are 'captured'. Civilians are 'abducted' and many palestinian and lebanes civilians HAVE been abducted by israel.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 6:47:36 AM

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what the hey!

'There is no doubt that Goldwasser and Regev need to be unconditionally released from Lebanon, Syria, Iran or from wherever they are now being held. Olmert's "good-will gesture" has disaster written all over it. Appeasement didn't work with Hitler and it will not work with Hizbullah. What exactly is there to negotiate? How far will Israel go to assure its own disappearance? '

Hitler? This isludicrous. And it makes me wonder once again about Oped News...they have  published other pro-zionist stuff,...But how can this write equate Hizbollah with Hitler! When it was the zionists who worked with Hitler:

http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html

 Olmerts good will gesture? The same Olmert who invaded Lebanon and massacred 1200 lebanese civilians!? THAT Olmert?

And then we have the old canard: israels dissapearance....the same israel is committing genocide by disapearng the Palestinians

Here is the UN on this subject:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4452

So that means Olmert is one of the worst monsters in history...not Hizbollah, which is a resistance organisation which israel wants to disappear in order to destroy the lebanese, the syria and finally iran.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 7:06:45 AM

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Brian, maybe it is because Hezbollah didnt exist during the time of Hitler! Duh! But the great Mufti of Jerusalem DID exist and he did meet with Hitler.

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BAD IMAGE - click here (must exist and begin with http)

http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/mohammedism/mohammedism22.html

 Hezbollah and Nazis (below)

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by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:44:24 AM

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I'm sure I can come up with pictures of local high school or college auditoriums, bleachers or any kind of football stadium where the participants have their right hand stretched out during a rally or cheer-leading routine at some point. But I hardly think any of them are shouting "Seig Heil".

But basically you are in denial about the current nature of the Israeli State, which has been coopted by the Right Wing ideologically, is increasingly fanatically nationalistic and self-righteous (you know, We are the Chosen People and can kill who we want when we want because our tribal God says it's OK), has committed all kinds of crimes against humanity over five decades, not-so secretly possesses nuclear weapons, and on and on, so you demonize, demonize, demonize, propagandize, propagandize, propagandize. And the biggest irony is that Arabs are semitic people too.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1417 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 12:11:46 PM

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The Nazis were quite good at initially selling themselves to oppressed and disgruntled peoples and organizations. When the Nazis invaded Russia, thousands of peoples in various regions of the Soviet Union who had suffered under Stalin looked to the Nazis as liberators and gave them logistic support, even manpower, but ultimately the vicousness of the Nazi regime turned most of them against the Germans because of their racist ideology, which translated in to even worse oppression than Stalin's.

From what I have read (which I don't have handy or I would link it), the Nazis found the Mufti a useful idiot, tooling the Mufti's antagonism toward the growing Zionist movement in Palestine, while all the while holding him in total disdain, because the Palestinians were also considered an inferior people, part of the semitic race.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1417 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 12:27:54 PM

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I believe you finally realize that the reason this article was written was because it seemed as if Israel was going to free Kuntar! I read alot of news from the Middle East, and even to me it seemed as if Israel was planning on freeing him in the middle of October. There was a lot of chatter at the time, and on every Israeli outlet and news source there was non stop chatter about the release of Kuntar in return for the two soldiers/body bags from the July 12, 2006 kidnapping. Then Ofer Dekel opened his mouth and said that Kuntar will not be freed unless Israel obtains solid evidence on the fate of Ron Arad, slowly and slowly the chatter hushed down and until today is still in the process of hushing down.

Once again I wish you were right! I wish they wont free Kuntar. Because to me, Israel can go to hell if they release this killer!

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 9:26:39 PM

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Even though hezbollah didnt exist when Hitler existed (Duh!!) it still hasn't stopped them, even one bit!!! Brian check out this video which happened to be the worst single attack that was committed against Jews since the Holocaust. Perpetrated by Hitler inspired Hezbollah:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tP2YwdfL4BU

(And remember "not a single one was in the Israeli government, or an occupier of Lebanese territory, [or Occupied Palestine {LOL}]." So therefore, Jews werent the main target of this attack, but they were the ONLY target of this attack)

PS,
 Turn your speakers on or use headsets to enjoy the music

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:59:08 AM

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is submitted by Mrs. Neuwirth  who as usual puts postulates beforehand.  I am not going to discuss those, though. The premise is simple:  If there was a trial and it proved that Kuntar did all those horrible things  he should obviously answer for those crimes he committed.  At  the same time- Mrs Neuwirth should  follow the proper lead and demand unconditional investigation and trial of all the Israeli war criminals like Olmert and Sharon ( he is  in coma, so let him be), investigate the  murder of Rachel Corrie and also  demand the  same procedure to be conducted towards the US abusers and murderers on the Iraqi soil.  If Mrs. Neuwirth does all that I would be the first to  support her endeavors. Otherwise... I am sorry- the  tragedy of the Jewish  family is in the same line as the tragedies of thousands of families in the Middle East due to  murderous behavior of the governing elites engaged, provoked also from the US.

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4103 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 7:20:22 AM

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Someone tell Jeff that the invasion of Lebanon was planned BEFORE the capture of those two soldiers..whats more theres evidence israel deliberately sent the soldiers there to be captured to serve as a pretext to invade Lrebanon to oust Hizbollah. Israels terrorist tactics were carried out to force Lebanes eo reject Hizbollah. THAT plan backfired when the lebanese em masse supported  Hizbollah.

 Jeff also writes:

'There is no doubt that Goldwasser and Regev need to be unconditionally released from Lebanon, Syria, Iran or from wherever they are now being held'

Note that this character just happens to name the two states israel seeks to annhilate...so the question is WHO is Jeff Mitchell. His article is ;posted by one Rachel Neuwirth (jewish?) but has no URL.

So where did it come from and who are these people?

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 7:21:02 AM

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Ive been doing a little fact checkingon this Rachel person. First Oped News has this:

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Rachel Neuwirth, an internationally recognized, political commentator and analyst. She specializes in Middle Eastern Affairs with particular emphasis on Militant Islam and Israeli foreign policy. She has been published in prominent news papers of Europe, Asia and the US. She is frequently quoted by reputable Media.

http://www.MiddleEastSolutions.com

Is she now?

If we go to that site we find what seems an attempt at arab-jewish reconciliation...However...

Now, do a simple google on rachel and you may find an article in the American Thinker with the following:

'The most potent weapon in the arsenal of the Arab and Islamist extremists seeking the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people has always been, not bombs, not guns, not missiles, not aircraft, not even the barbarism of suicide-homicide bombers,--but propaganda. Their massive and unrelenting propaganda campaign over the past sixty years has depicted Israel as a vicious, conspiratorial aggressor against, and oppressor of, the Arab people, and "world Jewry" as parties to and supporters of this conspiracy by "Zionism" and "the Zionist entity." 

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/beyond_selfhating.html

well, madam, ever hear of the  Deir Yassin?

which doesnt bode well for arab-jewish reconciliation! Because, rachel, if you are reading this, thats exactly how Israel appears to the world. See my above post from Jean Ziegler!

Then theres this bit of sleazy tactic:

'Anti-Israel propaganda has been given so much credence within Israel itself that it has sapped the will of the Israeli government and sections of Israel's people to resist the incessant, murderous terrorist campaign waged against them. The acceptance of the Arab-Islamist "narrative" by many Israeli politicians, journalists, and scholars has been the principal cause of the endless, suicidal concessions that one Israeli government after another has made to the terrorists since 1993. Israel is dying a slow death by poisoning from this propaganda.'

(ditto)

Then we have her attacking Edward Said...in which she calls Said, a Professor or Lies and Hate.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/2037.htm

Now that sounds like a self description...except shes a 'freelance journalist'.

The more i read about rachel, the less i find a person seeking reconciliation, and a clever confabulator who is really a zionist. he attacks on Edward Said should be brought to the attention of Oped News, who needs to revise their description of her.

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Also Oped news has this:

'Hurtful, Offensive and Hate - 'zionist'
This is a word that is overused and too often abused. We've discussed it at length here (link to be added shortly) and would prefer, if you can, to use other words in its place.

More to come on member decided guidelines on use of this word.'

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Now ive never seen that sort of warning on any so called left wing website....ever!

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 7:49:09 AM

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Tho she comes across as a rational enlightenment type, a little digging uncovers a natsy corner in this 'freelanc journalist and reconciliator...

'In the way that one might follow a bad smell to discover its source, I decided to check out Neuwirth's website, which is called "Middle East Solutions." The site is built around Neuwirth's cunning plan for solving the Arab-Israeli conflict. And that plan is...population transfer. No, really, go read it. Rachel Neuwirth supports the complete ethnic cleansing of the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza.

http://whatisthewar.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html

Same link...here is what rachel says about the palestinians:

'Neuwirth's response begins this way:

Professor Rashid Khalidi raises a very pertinent question in his article Unwritten History, recently published in the Boston Globe. In essence, he laments that the Palestinians have not written down their own history and he observes that their failure to do so has made their claim for Palestinian statehood more problematic.

...

Peoples – real ones – know their history. History precedes the collective consciousness of a people. Jews, Kurds, Tibetans, Mongols, and a myriad others are very much aware of who they are. They need no latecomer to remind them of their origins, or to forge a newly minted history to redefine their identity. They know their past achievements and they have a common will for the future. So, if forty years after the word "Palestinian" entered the international lexicon – in its new, twisted and widely circulated meaning – we are still in search of their history, we may conclude it is because there has never been such a people

(ditto)

So there we have it...this person who laments those awful arabs who want to destroy israel, herself does a Golda Meir!

So why  does Oped News write what it does about her?

So people: do your own research. And be very suspicious about anything that Oped News writes on the palestinian-israeli problem.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 8:01:48 AM

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we here should and would, I hope express compassion towards the family  and outrage   about the horrible crime committed by Kuntar if that crime was proven by a court of law.  Israeli laws could be debated but if there was a trial  and murder was  proven  that should be enough. But guilt by association is another story and that's what makes the article above counterproductive to say the least. It is full of uncontrolled hate-spilling. I would argue  that a person who murders children would murder them no matter what nationality they are. I would also argue that terrorists who attack and take hostage the women and children, also bomb  women and children. kill  people by buldozers,  take towns as  hostages, rape young girls in front of their fathers, no matter whom do these terrorists belong- organizations,  Secret Police, armies,  Special Forces, etc are all  dead dogs and that's what I want to hear from the honest journalists.

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4103 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 8:08:40 AM

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It's amazing how all you "left wingers" find any excuse to orgasmically run out into the streets to always find any excuse to spread lies and fabrications about the Jewish State, and to always find ANY excuse of why the Israelis (the Jews) are always to blame and the Arabs are always incabable of doing anything wrong!

All you Israel haters, please make sure you all read the details of this attack too, to gain better insight:

http://www.samirkuntar.net  

According to Smadar  "They held Danny and Einat while they searched for me and Yael, knowing there were more people in the apartment. I will never forget the joy and the hatred in their voices as they swaggered about hunting for us, firing their guns and throwing grenades. I knew that if Yael cried out, the terrorists would toss a grenade into the crawl space and we would be killed. So I kept my hand over her mouth, hoping she could breathe. As I lay there, I remembered my mother telling me how she had hidden from the Nazis during the Holocaust. 'This is just like what happened to my mother,' I thought."

Sadly, Smadar's attempt to muffle her daughter's whimpering proved fatal. Yael was accidentally suffocated and died within the hiding space.

According to Smadar Haran, her last memories of Danny and Einat, that day, were when they were being led away at gun point by Kuntar. She could hear from her closet space Danny telling Einat, "Don't be scared, my baby, it will be alright" and Einat replied to him in her little voice, "Dad, where is Mommy? I want Mommy." Smadar's last memory of her 2-year-old daughter, Yael, was when her little daughter was taken to the apartment hiding space.  Right before Yael had her mouth covered by her mother, she asked her mother "Where is my little pacifier." There was no time to search for the pacifier. Minutes later Smadar covered Yael's mouth to keep her from revealing the hiding space. Smadar soon felt her daughter's tiny tongue licks and lip sucking on the palm of her hand. She didn't know what to make of it at first but hours later was told by doctors and paramedics that the reason Yael was licking her palm while she covered her mouth was because she was gasping for air.

After taking Danny and four-year old Einat hostage, Kuntar and his group took them down to the beach. Samir Kuntar quickly shot Danny in the back and then drowned him in the Mediterranean Sea to ensure his death. While Kuntar drowned Danny, he forced terrified Einat to watch and cry. According to eyewitnesses, "Danny was murdered in front of Einat so that his death would be the last sight she would ever see." Little Einat would not have that horrible memory in her head for long. Kuntar, the brave Lebanese freedom fighter, crushed Einat's skull over and over upon the rocks with the butt of his rifle until she was dead.......

After drowning Danny in the sea in front of little Einat, Kuntar, the brave Lebanese freedom fighter, then turned his attention towards the frightened little 4-year old. He took his rifle and then swung it across the little toddler's head, knocking her to the ground. As little Einat was knocked to the ground, she was screaming and crying hysterically "mommy daddy help me," while thrashing her little legs around in the sand. But unfortunately Einat was alone, and no one was there to save her. Kuntar then dragged the little toddler a couple of feet to the closest rock he could find, this was while she was begging him not to hurt her. Kuntar, then laid her head down on a rock, with the intention of crushing it with the butt of his rifle. Einat, instinctively covered her head with her little arms, Kuntar struggled with the little toddler until he finally managed to clear her arms out of the way so that he could aim for the head, and then he proceeded on beating her over and over with the butt of his rifle until blood rushed out of her ears and her little cries faded away as she was knocked into unconsciousness. Then, to ensure she was dead, Kuntar continued on beating her over the head, as hard as he could, several more times until her skull was crushed and she was dead. 

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 11:28:56 AM

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Chris: '

Details of this attack It's amazing how all you "left wingers" find any excuse to orgasmically run out into the streets to always find any excuse to spread lies and fabrications about the Jewish State, and to always find ANY excuse of why the Israelis (the Jews) are always to blame and the Arabs are always incabable of doing anything wrong!'

 

Just to educate chris..Israel?palestine is a jewish AND arab state....Not just a state for jews. To say this is like Hitler saying Germany is an aryan state.

ASlso note noone has bother to investigate this Rachel Neuwirth...for she is a complete fraud. Check out my investigation.

And once again: the zionists not hizbollah worked with Hiler..that explains why israel shows nazi tendencies in its ethnic cleasing (calling itself a 'jewish state', and terrorising arabs to leave to make this a fact)

by LENNI BRENNER

http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:02:54 AM

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Brian you are the one who talks like a Hitler, you posses Jew hating in your blood! Your naive mind probably got brainwashed in a "University" here in the United States. I am catholic, but I support Israel! Israel gets attacked on a daily basis, and that is why it does what it does. Israel’s war is against terrorists and extremists radicals and not against the Palestinian people, because if it was to wage a war against the Palestinian people then it could have wiped them all out in one second, or at least threw them all out in one second.

Concerning Israel being a Jewish state. Israel has been designated a Jewish State by the UN in 1947 Partition Map. If the Jews didn't have Israel, then they would not have anything that is why there needs to be a Jewish State!

Why don't you condemn all the countries from Morrocco through Pakistan (excluding Lebanon for NOW) for being designated Muslim states, even thought some have Christian minorities and some states which Christians make up at least 10% or more, but they are still designated Muslim states.

Just to educate Brain..Morrocco through Pakistan are designated Muslim states.... To say this is like Hitler saying Germany is an aryan state.

Brian lets see you go and condemn Saudi Arabia, or Egypt, or go and protest in Iran for them being a designated Muslim State. Or go call Hamas government a racist government for trying to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip from all non-Muslims and moderates, and instead trying to install an Iranian-Taliban like Sharia.

But after all you don't! You only condemn Israel! Once again it is not your fault, Brian is just trying to wash us with his "Brian Wash," but in reality Brian got "Brain Washed."

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 10:50:32 AM

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No surprise folks but it looks as if chris is a zionist from Florida uni. His persistant racist attacks on the lebanese is to be expected given the zionists ramping up the war on arabs.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:13:30 AM

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The Enemy of My Enemy: The Alarming Convergence of Militant Islam and the Extreme Right is a book by political science professor George Michael. It examines the alliances between neo-Nazis, Holocaust deniers, white separatists with Islamists such as Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Egyptian Islamic Jihad.

It was published in April 2006 by University Press of Kansas as a 397-page hardcover (ISBN 0-7006-1444-3).

• Acknowledgments

1. Introduction
2. The Contemporary Extreme Right
3. The Development of Militant Islam
4. Militant Islam in the United States
5. Interaction between the Extreme Right and Islamic/Arab Extremist
6. The U.S. Government's Response to Political Extremism and Terrorism
7. The Role of Non-Governmental Organizations in the Aftermath of 9/11
8. How the Extreme Right Views the Current Crisis
9. How Militant Islam Views the Current Crisis
10. Prospects for Cooperation between Militant Islam and the Extreme Right
11. Conclusion

• Notes
• Selected Bibliography
• Index

• The Enemy of My Enemy, at the publisher's website.

by Jay Lovestone (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 103 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 11:34:31 AM

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Chris is into the tribal thing, or to put it in a convenient modern perspective, gang allegiance. How's West-Side Story go? "When you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way, from your first cigarette to your last dying day." So, if Israel is the Jets, then lets call all those Other Arab Ones in the Hood the Sharks. So in this simple world, the Jets can never do wrong, even when they're doing wrong, because it's an honor thing, a loyalty thing and an identity thing. Ethics is only an inhouse affair, and it is always trumped against the Sharks, who can never do right, even when they do right and always deserve to get their ass**s kicked. Confusing words like humanity, understanding, Truth, those get shoved into the back of the mind.  The Jets gotta protect their turf, and even grab a little Shark turf when they get the chance, and that's all there is to it. And when they can milk some crime by a Shark that occurred some 28 years ago for the Jets' propaganda purposes, well that's a good thing. But they gotta hate the Sharks, kill the Sharks, screw the Sharks. Unfortunately, the Sharks start thinking the same way after awhile, and what do you know, endless turf wars, with endless pain and suffering on both sides. Then the adults have to step in stop the rumbles. But guess what, most of the adults have left the planet.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1417 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 11:55:09 AM

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like  the thread of the comments go more and more about the commenters and not about the issue. The issue is the man in question and if his murderous activities are proven in the court, he deserves all he got and more.  Maybe we here should all agree that  what happened to that family is not just abhorrent- it is  a grotesque horror.  We have to agree that  if such things happen  that means that people who do such things  are not really rational anymore.  Not that it did not happen before  and does not happen in other places, though. We also have to agree that Jewishness is secondary here; that such muderous activities can be and is actually perpetrated against  many families in different places and  I could name the Ingushetia in  Caucasus where Russian families are  being killed with children exectuion- style and before I know about Ustashi doing that and  many others.  We have to acknowledge that first and grief that we here, powerful, wealthy people cannot prevent  such things and also that many powerful people use those things for their evil purposes.  That is the work here carved for us- to prevent our evil people from using those things. We cannot judge others but we sure as Hell can judge ourselves and so far it seems we had been found 'too light'   on all counts. As such I would suggest  to  make some soulsearching before throwing stones at each other; those stones will not bring back those two adorable kids and will not bring back hundreds of others who died  in the Lebanese war. Maybe we should put all those pictures on the wall and call it the WALL OF THE CRIME OF STUPIDITY AND MALICE OF ADULTS?

It is all about us, people.

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4103 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 12:10:18 PM

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Evil is as Evil does. That monster should not be released for any reason. That monster was in part created by Israel when it decided to occupy Palestinian territory and to displace the citizens thereof without recompense. The dear children of Israel are being sacrificed to the state's ideology. To keep the children safe Israel must come to terms with the Palestinians once and for all. Palestinians  must have their own country and the security that entails.

by Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1760 comments [112 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 12:40:25 PM

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If McKinney spoke like you, then it would be great! But unfortunately McKinney tries to hide his 'low' intelligence by using all these Shakespearean words and expressions.

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 2:41:36 PM

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Well, after pulling out various cards like the Hitler card to try to take us down the path of fear, hatred and misunderstanding, Chris must be running out of stereotypes and cliches, because now he's flinging insults. But let's get serious here. We have watched Chris milking every once of sympathy and outrage he can extract from Kuntar’s crime some 28 years ago, as if had just happened yesterday and Kuntar has never been tried, convicted and punished, and then watched him segue into a hit piece on Hezbollah, even though that organization didn’t even exist when the crime was committed. He bluntly wants to channel our emotions into hatred for Hezbollah and the Palestinian Resistance, thus helping to perpetuate this horrific and endless cycle of violence in the Middle East. But see, hatred can never end hatred, but only increase it. 

Well, I wonder how much sympathy Chris has for the Lebanese children in the photos I'm now posting below, who were victims of Israeli missiles and bombs during the wretched invasion of Lebanon last year. It is not only Israeli children who suffer from this perpetual cycle of death and hatred. The victims of Kuntar are but one of thousands of casualties on both sides over the last 50  years, the great majority of which are on the Arab side, we should all note. 

Now, should I follow Chris’s lead, after one looks at these photos, and urge everyone to now hate Israel, to compare the IDF to the SS, and castigate Israel as evil incarnate? No, that only perpetuates the dark cycle being propelled by benighted men and women. Jesus said "forgive them, Lord. They know not what they do." This is truer than we can even imagine, because what we do to others we also do to ourselves, and, who, if they really knew what they were doing, would purposely harm themselves.

The only way out of this cycle is through higher spirituality, but that is a long way off at this point unfortunately.

Victim of Israeli Ordnance in Israeli 2006 Invasion of Lebanon

Victim of Israeli Ordnance in Israeli 2006 Invasion of Lebanon

Victim of Israeli Ordnance in 2006 Israeli Invasion of Lebanon

Victim of Israeli Ordnance in 2006 Israeli Invasion of Lebanon

Victim of Israeli Ordnance in 2006 Israeli Invasion of Lebanon

Victim of Israeli Ordnance in 2006 Israeli Invasion of Lebanon

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1417 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 3:47:42 PM

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McKinney said in his last 'intelligent' statement: 

"He (Chris) bluntly wants to channel our emotions into hatred for Hezbollah and the Palestinian Resistance"

McKinney, here are some photos of the Palestinian resistance!:

May the G_d of Israel avenge the deaths
of these brave young defenders of Israel and the Jewish People.

.Israel, palestine, Ramallah,

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 6:35:49 PM

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You just don't get it do you? Now you want to have a photo war. "My side has worse atrocities than their side." I figured you wouldn't want to comment on dead and wounded Lebanese children. Instead you are still trying to pretend that Israel is a bastion of civilization and the innocent victim of barbarians.

But these dead soldiers are just one more bitter fruit of an utterly vicious process, a tit for tat black cycle that began when Israel drove hundreds of thousands of Palestinians out of their homeland in the late 40's, a long and deadly process that has turned men and women on both sides into less than humans and killers.

So apparently, you just want to continue the hatred, the separateness, the alienation that fuels this cycle, that lets so-called sophisticated and civilized Israelis do this:

These are mostly, if not all, victims  of Israel's use of Willy Pete, White Phosphorus, in civilian areas of Lebanon last year. Of course, Israel pretends they didn't do this. And we won't even get into the million cluster bombs Israel dropped on Lebanon, bombs that happen to look like shiny toys to children. It takes pretty depraved people to do this, but how did they get this way.?

How? Thru 50 years of this black cycle of hatred and revenge, with no end in sight. These are the bitter fruits of the path of fear and hatred which you seem enamored with.

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1417 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 7:28:39 PM

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Israel never targets civilians, name one time when Israel ‘specifically’ and ‘deliberately’ targeted civilians? Occasionally civilians die when Israel does military operation, because the cowardly terrorists operate from civilian neighborhoods. Sometimes EVEN the civilians allow the terrorists to use their neighborhoods as launching grounds for rockets against Israel, sometimes the civilians allow terrorists to store weapons in their houses to use against the Jewish state, and most of the time the civilians give the terrorist shelter in their neighborhoods and houses. In my book, if this is the case then civilians are legitimate targets. But on the other hand the humane State of Israel goes out of its way in order to avoid civilian casualties, and if civilians are giving shelter to a terrorist leader Israel will not take him out in an air strike, from the fear of civilian casualties.

Watch the movie Munich to help you learn your facts better, in case you didn’t know it was based on true events, in which Israel aborted so many operations/assassinations in order to avoid civilian casualties. Israel knows were all the Hamas leaders, political and military 'live' but they won’t take them out, from the fears of civilian casualties.

Read this article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14536281/

When Israel took out the leader of Hamas, Salah Shehada in July 2001, and two dozen civilians were killed (the 'incident' in which so many left wingers have a field day with until today). The reason so many civilians lost their lives that day was because when Israel dropped the bomb on Shehada’s house, THREE other buildings in the vicinity collapsed as well because they had a weak structure. In those three building that collapsed, there, is where all those civilian deaths had occurred. Israel had NO idea that 3 other building would have collapse too, and if they could have foreseen that happen they would not have launched an airstrike on Shehada's house.

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 7:58:15 PM

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It is against the Jewish religion to show images of dead Jews. The dead are treated with respect, and are not paraded around like in the Arab culture who will take 100 different pictures of 'each' dead person, and then post them on every left wing and Arab website, and then broadcasted them on every TV channel and newspaper in the Arab world. BUT, sometimes pictures of dead Jews, DO leak out to the press. For example Shalhevet Pass:

Her parents, Yitzhak and Oriya, have been married for about two years. Shalhevet was their first child. Yitzhak is a yeshiva student. Oriya, who grew up in Hebron, works as a teacher's aide in a nursery school.

The family has known terrorist attacks in the past. In November 1993, Oriya's father was attacked and seriously injured by two axe-wielding Palestinians on his way to morning prayers near the Machpela Cave. In January 1996, Oriya's sister, Orital, then 14, was stabbed in the back by a Palestinian near the Hebron market. This past March 10, Yitzhak's brother was shot in the leg while visiting the family in Hebron.

Shalhevet was buried in the ancient Jewish cemetery in Hebron.

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:14:03 PM

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After all this, you probably still consider Hamas and Hezbollah to be legitimate resistance movements, and not terrorists!

Why dont you condemn Russia for fighting in Chechnya, America for fighting in Afghanistan, India for fighting in Kashmir, Turkey for fighting the Kurds, Sri Lanka for fighting the Tamil Tigers, etc... But at the same time you single out Israel, why? To me that is racism.

Unfortunately you were probably brainwashed like brian brain wash.

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 7:34:10 PM

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The crimes of israel are legion, from the invasion of Lebanon twice (first time resulted in the formatyion of resistance fighters Hizbollah; to the cluster bombing of civilians, to the genocide of the palestinians

 1.

What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.

Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets.

In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. According to their claims, the vast majority of said explosive ordinance was fired in the final 10 days of the war.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html

2. Israel bombs civilians on gaza beach while hamas was observing a cease fire:

Israel airstrikes ..... on Friday, including seven people on a crowded Gaza beach, the highest Palestinian death toll in a single day since December 2004, Palestinian officials said.

Among those killed on the beach were three children, including an infant, a 3-year-old and a 10-year-old, who were playing at the time, witnesses said.

About 20 people were injured by the shelling, which Palestinian sources said came from Israeli ships. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called it "a bloody massacre".

 http://www.counterpunch.org/bahour06152006.html

Hamas' military wing called off its 16-month-old cease-fire after blaming Israel for the June 9 explosion on a Gaza beach where Palestinians were picnicking. Eight Palestinians were killed. Israel denied responsibility for after initially apologizing for shelling the beach. '

None of this is new, nor is it in respoonse to someone atta cking them. Israel ha consisteently attacked andkilled people for decades, while hiding behnd the shield of its'holocaust' and crying both its a victim and you are all antisemites. These psychopaths have the gall to use their own victims to further their plans for regional genocide in the war for Eretz Israel .And the dumb americans are funding this genocide to the tune of many billions of their tax dollars each year

http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

Keeping psychpaths on a financial drip feed is not a good idea...it makes them more  viciously demanding, as witness their killing of americans in 1967:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html

when they almost got US to nuke Cairo.

Then theres israels links to 9-11:

Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. (9)

When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

So dont be fooled by the likes of zionist chris. Israel is an aggressive entity, that preys on the gulllibility of christians while defending its massacres by saying it is only retaliating. The truth if you investigate it is the opposite, as shown by the Gaza beach massacre, which israel carried out to end Hamas cease fire.

Its that simple.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:08:28 PM

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Chris said this:

'Israel never targets civilians, name one time when Israel ‘specifically’ and ‘deliberately’ targeted civilians? Occasionally civilians die when Israel does military operation, because the cowardly terrorists operate from civilian neighborhoods.'

Oh, really? Lets see:

1. Israels use of cluster bombs in Lebanon in last days of its war:

What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.

Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets.

In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. According to their claims, the vast majority of said explosive ordinance was fired in the final 10 days of the war.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html

2, Israels massacre of civilians on Gaza b each while Hamas was observing a 16 month cease fire:

A barrage of Israeli artillery shells rained down on a busy Gaza beach yesterday, killing seven Palestinians, three of them children. The attack put further strain on the 16-month truce between Israel and the governing Hamas movement

http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1794536,00.html

these are just two clear cut incidents to show that Chris the zionist student from florida (?) is a bare faced liar.

Not to mention the killing of Rachel Corrie the masscres of people in Qana...etc etc In none of the above murders were here any fighters of any kind.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:16:54 PM

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When Hezbollah shot katyusha rockets towards Israel from civilian neighbohrhoods, what was Israel suppose to do, to sit back and say ok?

When a Katyusha rocket was fired it is like turning off a candle, it leaves a smoke trial. EVERY smoke trail got hit! Whether it came from a civilian neighbohrhood! A field! or a city!

Plus the Lebanese civilian population allowed Hezbollah to operate from their neighbohrhoods, launch rockets from their neighbohrhoods, store weapons in their houses, give them shelter etc... from their neighbohrhoods. Just like i told Mac Minnie, if this is the case then civilians are legitimate targets!!!

Israel gave them all time to get out it dropped flyers telling them to leave, obviously 90% of the population did leave. But some stayed behind in what became a military zone and payed the price.

Mc Minnie and Brian, what would you do if you were Ehud Olmert? You would probably have nuked all of South Lebanon! Or at dropped Daisy Cutters and carpet bombed all of South Lebanon! Did you know Amir Peretz, the man who was Israel's Defense Minister used to be a radical left winger like you guys! He was even a member of Peace Now (Peace Now (Hebrew: שלום עכשיו - Shalom Achshav) is a non-governmental organization in Israel with the agenda of "swaying popular opinion and convincing the Israeli government of the need and possibility for achieving a just peace and an historic conciliation with the Palestinian people and neighboring Arab countries; this in exchange for a territorial settlement based on the formula of 'land for peace'".) and look how he turned out.

In matters concerning relations with the Palestinians and the Arab world, Peretz was seen as holding dovish positions. [2] He was one of the early leaders of the Peace Now movement.[3] He was also, in the 1980s, a member of a group of eight Labour party Knesset members, dubbed "the Eight" and led by Yossi Beilin, who tried to set a liberal agenda for the party in matters concerning the peace process with the Palestinians, connecting the unresolved conflict with the Palestinians with the failure to solve Israel's most pressing social ills.

Peretz saw an intrinsic connection between a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the resolving of Israel's internal social tensions. He argued that the resources allotted to the settlements in the West Bank had diverted funds that could have helped to solve social problems throughout Israel. He described the conflict as having mutated Israeli politics, so that the traditional left-right distinctions did not hold: Instead of supporting a social-democratic left which would advance their cause, the lower classes, mostly of Middle Eastern Jewish origins, were diverted to the right by the fanning of nationalist tendencies; Concurrently, the left in Israel was usurped by the well-to-do, so that the Labour party had ironically become elitist.

What would you do, if you were Olmert and Peretz and you were attacked from all directions with Qassam and Katyusha rockets, would you just sit back, and fold your hand????????????? I am just one step away of accusing you and Mc Minnie of hypocracy!

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:57:33 PM

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chris said:

'[Watch the movie Munich to help you learn your facts better, in case you didn’t know it was based on true events, in which Israel aborted so many operations/assassinations in order to avoid civilian casualties'

a hollywood movie! Well, so thats where Chris gets his history! What a pity that israelis are such abject liars that their brand is now one of the least trustred in the world:

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As if Israel’s position in the world in not bad enough, a new survey published in the US Wednesday says that Israel is suffering from the worst public image among all countries of the world.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=10395

Israel the least trusted brand name in the world...israel had to work hard at that...Chris show show they do it...by bare faced lies and massacres of innocent people to further the creation of Eretz Israel.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:22:56 PM

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BRIAN,

I AM SORRY I FAILED IN MY ATTEMPT! I REALIZED WHAT AN IDIOTIC, IGNORANT, MORON YOU WERE, SO I DECIDED TO HELP YOU LEARN YOUR HISTORY BETTER VIA MOVIES (MUNICH), BUT OBVIOULSY YOU ARE TOO DUMB FOR THAT TOO!!! 

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 12:37:25 PM

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Naama Didovski weeps at the funeral of her mother, a Jewish school teacher who was killed in a Palestinian terrorist attack.. http://www.walk4israel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Victims

5-month-old Shoshana Nathanson recuperates in the pediatric intensive care unit at Jerusalem's Sha'arei Tzedek Hospital on Thursday, August 21st, 2003. She was injured in the suicide bus bombing Tuesday in Jerusalem. (Ariel Jerozolimski) Harvard Study: Poverty is Not the Cause of Terrorism 10:15 Nov 26, '04 / 13 Kislev 5765

click image to view Palestinian
child abuse

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:35:01 PM

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Because it is against the Jewish religion to show photos of their dead, the Arabs take advantage of it to the fullest extent!!!!!

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:38:39 PM

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Chris wrote:

'Brian Washed? or Brain Washed?

Gee chris, your hysteria is so typical of the zionists. Hatred of the arabs has been transfused into your blood. If you mean Columbia university or some such institution that serves the zonists, then yoiu are right that US universities are a sad affair.

So you admit you are a zionist and a stupid catholic one. You also deny israel targets civilians, which events such as the gaza beach masacre refute. You cant be ignorant of that. But lets see how you spin it.

You and israel treat all palestinians as terrorists and extremists. The people who have been butchered in their homeland since before Al Nakba.

Lets se you express remorse for the masacres of the people on Gaza beach, tghe children maimed by Israels cluster bombing of lebanon at the very end of its war.

Until you do that, do try to pretend you care about palestinians.

Israel cant be a 'jewish state' because it has a large number of arab natives in it...The term 'jewish state is a bold claim that it plans to remove the remaining arab people to make its JS status permanent.

JEWISH state refers to a people...musim  refers to a religion...the former is racist like nazi germanys aryans only state.

Indeed, israel is a direct descendent of nazi germany in its genocidical racist policies ; and ironically both  have the nationalist and socialist (sic) label.

Why condemn israel? Well, as the UN Jean Ziegler said recently:

http://www.alqasNEW YORK, (PIC)-- Jean Ziegler, the UN special rapporteur on right to food, castigated the Israeli occupation and described it as the only "colonial regime" which refuses to abide by any international law, calling on the UN to adopt an effective policy forcing Israel to respect human rights and the Geneva Convention.

"The Israeli occupation is a colonial regime and an illegal military occupation from the UN's point of view, it continues to annex more Palestinian lands; and thus the Israeli occupation is the worst in the history of colonialism," Ziegler stated in a TV interview.

sam.ps/vb3/showthread.php?p=27421

Hamas as i said before the Gaza beach massacre was obseving a ceasefire,..buit israel hates that idea. It needs hamas to kill israelis in order to justify its killing of palestinians...an old isreali trick. If it doesnt kill,. then israel needs to quietly massacre a few palestinians,  and say, OOPS! sorry! Peas is not what the zionists want. They want 'a land without a people for a people without a land' (zionist slogan)

When ever a zionist is confronted by israels crimes he does one of two things: he yells 'antisemite' or ' 'arab countries are far worse'!

You do both. What a pathetic christian (if you are a catholic and not a jewish american) you are...jesus must be ashamed of you.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:47:57 PM

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BRIAN, CALLING SOMEONE "A STUPID CATHOLIC" IS A RACIST STATEMENT!!!! IT IS THE SAME AS SAYING STUPID JEW, STUPID MUSLIM, STUPID NIGGER!! HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF I WAS TO CALL YOU STUPID "ATHEIST!!"

BRIAN YOU TALK LIKE THESE PEOPLE:

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BRIAN WITH HIS BOYFRIEND

BRIAN AND HIS PALESTINIAN FRIENDS

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 1:06:12 PM

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Chris wrote:

'Brian Washed? or Brain Washed?

Gee chris, your hysteria is so typical of the zionists. Hatred of the arabs has been transfused into your blood. If you mean Columbia university or some such institution that serves the zonists, then yoiu are right that US universities are a sad affair.

So you admit you are a zionist and a stupid catholic one. You also deny israel targets civilians, which events such as the gaza beach masacre refute. You cant be ignorant of that. But lets see how you spin it.

You and israel treat all palestinians as terrorists and extremists. The people who have been butchered in their homeland since before Al Nakba.

Lets se you express remorse for the masacres of the people on Gaza beach, tghe children maimed by Israels cluster bombing of lebanon at the very end of its war.

Until you do that, do try to pretend you care about palestinians.

Israel cant be a 'jewish state' because it has a large number of arab natives in it...The term 'jewish state is a bold claim that it plans to remove the remaining arab people to make its JS status permanent.

JEWISH state refers to a people...musim  refers to a religion...the former is racist like nazi germanys aryans only state.

Indeed, israel is a direct descendent of nazi germany in its genocidical racist policies ; and ironically both  have the nationalist and socialist (sic) label.

Why condemn israel? Well, as the UN Jean Ziegler said recently:

http://www.alqasNEW YORK, (PIC)-- Jean Ziegler, the UN special rapporteur on right to food, castigated the Israeli occupation and described it as the only "colonial regime" which refuses to abide by any international law, calling on the UN to adopt an effective policy forcing Israel to respect human rights and the Geneva Convention.

"The Israeli occupation is a colonial regime and an illegal military occupation from the UN's point of view, it continues to annex more Palestinian lands; and thus the Israeli occupation is the worst in the history of colonialism," Ziegler stated in a TV interview.

sam.ps/vb3/showthread.php?p=27421

Hamas as i said before the Gaza beach massacre was obseving a ceasefire,..buit israel hates that idea. It needs hamas to kill israelis in order to justify its killing of palestinians...an old isreali trick. If it doesnt kill,. then israel needs to quietly massacre a few palestinians,  and say, OOPS! sorry! Peas is not what the zionists want. They want 'a land without a people for a people without a land' (zionist slogan)

When ever a zionist is confronted by israels crimes he does one of two things: he yells 'antisemite' or ' 'arab countries are far worse'!

You do both. What a pathetic christian (if you are a catholic and not a jewish american) you are...jesus must be ashamed of you.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:47:58 PM

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by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 9:13:35 PM

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So, as I figured, you have bombarded the site with more photos, protesting all the while, like a good little German, that Israel never targets civilians, when confronted with my photos. Denial is not a river. It is currently running through your head.

Should I up the ante with another couple of hundred photos. No, because you're already proving my point, that this is just one endless, vicious cycle going on, spurred on by hatred and vengeance on both sides. You can swap out the clothes of all the victims and the reality is just the same, dead humans, the slaughter of humanity by other humans locked in hatred.

I guess it's time to pull out the Buddha to underscore the lesson that needs to be learned here. This is from the Dhammapada:

Ch 1, verses 3, 4 & 5: "He was angry with me, he attacked me, he defeated me, he robbed me" - those who dwell on such thoughts will never be free from hatred.

"He was angry with me, he attacked me, he defeated me, he robbed me" - those who do not dwell on such thoughts will surely become free from hatred.

For hatred can never put an end to hatred; love alone can. This is an unalterable law....

by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 241 diaries, 1417 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 9:03:51 PM

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Because it is against the Jewish religion to show photos of their dead, the Arabs take advantage of it to the fullest extent!!!!!

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 9:30:28 PM

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by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 9:32:05 PM

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AFTER SEARCHING FOR 4 HOURS, THESE ARE ALL THE PICTURES I WAS ABLE TO FIND OF JEWISH VICTIMS OF PALESTINIAN TERROR! THE HAND FULL OF PICTURES, WHICH I POSTED THEM ALL UP, ARE THE ONLY PICTURES OF JEWISH FATALITIES OF PALESTINIAN TERROR THAT WERE EVER LEAKED OUT TO THE PRESS.

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 9:36:17 PM

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by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 7:39:11 PM

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Chris writes:

' When Hezbollah shot katyusha rockets towards Israel from civilian neighbohrhoods, what was Israel suppose to do, to sit back and say ok?

Me: Chris,Israel invaded lebanon and straight away bombed Lebanons international airport (no concern about civilians!), before continuing with roads, hospitals, highways and you guessed it civilian neighborhoods..only THEN did Hizbolah retaliate and NEVER from Civilian neighborhoods..

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 5:32:39 AM

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BRIAN, I WILL KEEP ON SHUTTING YOU DOWN NO MATTER WHAT!

A HOLOCAUST AGAINST THE
"PALESTINIAN"  PEOPLE?

Adolph Hitler
"The "Palestinians" Think They Have It So Bad, Do They?"

.Holocaust, Palestinian Holocaust, Intifada, Palestinian Intifada, Jews, Jewish, Palestine

F I C T I O N
"The creation of Israel is "Palestine Holocaust Day" and the Palestinian People
were subjected to the worst Holocaust in history."
-Words spoken by Yassir Arafat May 10, 1997-

R E A  L I T Y
The poor, suffering Arab-"Palestinians" see themselves as "Holocaust Victims," do they? Amazing!  Before that, they likened themselves to the tragedy of the American Indian!  And, so as not to skip a beat, they're also suffering a similar "ethnic cleansing," "genocide," and even "crimes against humanity" as suffered the Kosova Moslems and, yes, even the Jewish victims of Nazzzi brutality. In Reality, comparing the Arab-Palestinian condition to these other REAL tragedies, is a tragedy in itself!

R E A  L I T Y
The Arabs and Islamists remake history to serve their own interests, and their tales of woe and suffering are in reality intended to lull people into a state of pacifism to enable their eventual domination and subjugation of the world.

TELL A LIE ENOUGH TIMES AND IT BECOMES THE TRUTH 

Fabrication instantly becomes fact and the more far-fetched, the better!  That was the strategy Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda director, used in his war against the Jews of Europe and it worked. The Arabs may not be very original but they certainly have figured out how to seize upon a good idea and run with it! Comparing the plight of the Jews of Germany to that of the Arab-"Palestinians" was a stroke of genius. A very BIG Lie... but brilliant nevertheless! 

 Israel has been accused of "mass extermination" upon the "Palestinian" Arabs... 
 a virtual "Holocaust. Let's see. 

Total "Palestinian" Arabs in both Judea-Samaria ("West Bank") and Gaza:
1967 ... 1.1 million
2002 ... 3.5 million!
In 35 years the number of "Palestinian" Arabs has tripled.
Some "Mass extermination!"  Some "Holocaust!"
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LET US COMPARE...
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[Above Left] Armed Arab-Palestinian "demonstrators" fill the streets
[Above Right] Jewish citizens filled the streets for mass deportation & executions.
 Is THIS why the "Palestinians" compare their "Holocaust" to ours? 

[Above] Well-fed Palestinian children training in the fine art of killing Jews. [Note what appears to be a Palestinian policeman wearing a bulletproof vest probably provided by Israeli government! How interesting is it that the instructor has a bullet proof vest but not the children! We know whose life is of value in THAT society!] THIS is a concentration camp?
[Below] Jewish children begging for food... or being sent to "real" concentration camps where the unlucky ones were kept alive to be used as guinea pigs in medical experiments!
 Is THIS why the "Palestinians" compare their "Holocaust" to ours? 

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[Above] Palestinian Arab woman tries to grab onto Israeli soldier, Arab points his finger into a soldier's face
and Palestinian "students" drag lone Israeli soldier from his car. If cameramen were not present,
the unarmed soldier would have been beaten to death! 
Is THIS what the Palestinians mean when they say Israeli occupying troops "humiliate" them?
[Below] Nazzzi soldiers humiliate old woman and man. Young girl after Nazzzi soldiers gang-raped her.
By comparison, the poor Arab "Palestinians" never had it so good!
 Is THIS why the "Palestinians" compare their "Holocaust" to ours? 

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 11:50:01 AM

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BRIAN, PART –2 CONTINUED:

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In case the Arab world and their oil-thirsty supporters have forgotten
what a REAL Holocaust is all about...

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[Above] Line 'em up...
[Below] Mow 'em down! Unless, of course, recently released convicts do the honors with metal bars!

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After the carnage, the Jewish bodies were dumped into mass graves or cremated. When the ovens
could not keep up with the growing number of dead, they were piled high in the streets to be burned..

 

THE SIX MILLION...

The Holocaust years extended from January 30, 1933, when Hitler became Chancellor of Germany, until May 8, 1945 (V-E Day), the end of World War II in Europe.  DEATH CAMPS: Concentration camps with  apparatus specifically designed for systemic, mass murder of Jews.  Six major camps existed: Auschwitz-Birkenau, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sorbibor, Treblinka. Other camps existed for the extermination of other peoples, such as the Jasenovac camp in Yugoslavia. There Serbs and gypsies were murdered in larger numbers thatn Jews, yet the Jewish death toll was still significant. THE STATISTICS: Nearly 6 million of Europe's 9 million Jews were murdered... 2 out of every 3 Jews! The number of Jews murdered in each country and the percentage of the pre-war Jewish population this represented is shown below.

.The Holocaust is generally regarded as the systematic slaughter of not only 6 million Jews, (two-thirds of the total European Jewish population), the primary victims, but also 5 million others, approximately 11 million individuals wiped off the Earth by the Nazzzzzzi regime and its collaborators. It is hard to grasp the idea that it isn't just 11 million deaths, but 11 million people whose lives were cut off because of racism and hate, all in a period of 11 years .

FOOTNOTE...

It is often said the the Arabs have "never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity," which means that whenever they were given an opportunity to improve their situation, they always managed to screw up.  And what steps do responsible people take to remedy their stupid choices? Just what we'd expect from them... BLAME SOMEONE ELSE. That in itself would almost be expected from such a sorry lot!  But we are learning that there is apparently no limit to the depths of depravity to which these losers will go...even if it means comparing the brave defenders of Israel to the German Nazzzzzzzis!  If anything, the Arabs themselves are the the REAL Nazzzzzzzzzzzzzi Jew-killing lunatics on the loose throughout the "Holy Land!

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CONCLUSION...
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Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini and his priovate audience with Hitler. Click Here for actual video!	A picture taken in 1943 of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini reviewing Bosnian-Muslim troops - a unit of the "Hanjar (Saber) Division" of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler.

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 12:05:39 PM

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BRIAN, PART –4 CONTINUED

WARNING...

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 CAN YOU HELP US? 
Our researchers have been working overtime to
find ANY similarities between how the Nazis treated Europe's Jews
to how the Arab-Palestinians have been treated by the Israelis. So far they
have found no cattle cars shuttling millions of Palestinian men, women and
children to death camps where they are robbed, raped, tortured, beaten,
starved, skinned for lampshades, melted down for soap or used in medical
experiments and piled into mass graves or incinerated in ovens!
Please forward all information to Meqmef@aol.com

In a Nutshell Series presents...
"Anti-Semitism and Islamic Expansionism" 

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by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 12:20:15 PM

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SORRY BRIAN, I WILL BURST YOUR BUBBLE ON THAT ONE TOO! BRIAN CLAIMED THAT ISRAEL DELIBERATELY BOMBED THE GAZA BEACH TO KILL CIVILIANS.

WELL BRIAN IS RIGHT, ISRAELI NAVAL SHIP WAS LOOKING WITH BINOCULARS FOR CIVILIAN ON GAZA BEACH SO THEY CAN BOMB THEM! THAT IS WHAT ISRAEL DOES? BOMBS AND TARGETS CIVILIANS? YEAH RIGHT!!! IT IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF BRIANS IDIOTIC STATEMENTS!

WHAT REALLY OCCURED IN THE BOMBING IN GAZA BEACH:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3264158,00.html

The explosion on a Gaza beach last Friday in which seven 'Palestinians' from one family lost their lives continues to pre-occupy much of the world's press, including here in Israel. But an account in a German newspaper that has been translated by YNet (see below) suggests that the entire 'event' was staged by the 'Palestinians'.

The Times of London reported yesterday that the Israeli Army has admitted to The Times that its official account of the explosion that killed eight Palestinians picnicking on a Gaza beach last week was flawed. The Times claims that the account is also contradicted by a UN radio transmission.

The Times also says that the army has told it that the army's report was flawed because it failed to mention two gunboat shells fired at about the time of the deaths. According to the Times, the army insists that they landed too far away to have been responsible.

Here's where it gets dicey:

Israel says that its land artillery batteries fired six shells at northern Gaza between 4.30pm and 4.48pm that afternoon, and that it can account for all but one, which was fired at 4.30pm. However, its investigation said that that shell was aimed too far away to have killed the Palestinians.

The investigation relies heavily on timing. It cites surveillance footage of the beach showing that it was quiet between 4.54 and 4.57pm, and film of ambulances apparently arriving at the scene at 5.15.

It says that the incident must therefore have happened between 4.57 and 5.10pm — at least nine minutes after it says it stopped firing land artillery.

But The Times has established that at 4.43pm the UN received a radio call from one of its officials in northern Gaza that said: “At 16.33hrs IDF artillery shelling has started again targeting the northern area, two artillery shells so far. One of the shells fell down at the coast west of the evacuated old Dugit settlement, some casualties among the people spending their day at the . . . ” Transmissions could be picked up by anyone with a scanner, which are widely available in Gaza.

Presented with the evidence of the UN transmission last night, Major-General Meir Kalifi, who led the Israeli investigation, insisted that the 4.33pm report was an earlier incident, near the abandoned settlement of Dugit. “[We] know of a request from the Red Cross to the Red Crescent at 4.30pm regarding one wounded individual along the beach. [We] believe that that is the case you are referring to,” General Kalifi said. “This is most likely in the Dugit area. Indeed they were shelling in the Dugit area, but the Dugit area was not near the incident. It was 700 metres away.”

Here's a summary of the chronology given by the Times:

DANGEROUS TIMES

16.30-16.48 Israel claims its ground batteries fired six shells. Investigation says all but the first at 16.30 are accounted for. Official investigation summary does not mention naval shells fired at 16.24 and 16.55, but officials say they are too far away to matter

 

16.43 Radio transmission from a UN field monitor in northern Gaza states: “At 16.33 IDF artillery shelling has started again targeting the northern area, two artillery shells so far. One of the shells fell down at the coast west of the evacuated old Dugit settlement, some casualties . . .”

 

16.57-17.10 The period when Israel says the picnickers must have died. This is based on film of beach between 16.54 and 16.57 apparently showing “nothing irregular”, on Palestinian reports of mass casualties at 17.12, and on a film showing ambulances arriving at 17.15

[Last bolding was mine CiJ]

Because of the Times' allegations that the army has admitted deleting the earlier shelling from the report, extreme leftist MK Zehava Gal-On of the Sheretz party has called for an international inquiry. As quoted in HaAretz, IDF Spokeswoman Miri Regev responded, "The IDF will have no problem with any decision taken by the political echelon. The IDF stands behind its investigation, and we are saying this unequivocally, we did not harm these innocent people. Everyone loves it when we admit to guilt. But this time, there is no reason to admit to guilt. The IDF was not responsible for the killing of the family of innocents on the beach in Gaza." According to both HaAretz and YNet, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz believe the IDF's investigation (and given that the IDF has tape of a calm beach twenty minutes after they finished firing shells - see above, I don't understand why there is even a question).

But where things really get interesting is in this article by YNet, which is based upon an article in a German newspaper (that has no English on their web page).

German daily Sued Deutsche, said pictures taken by Zakaria Abu Irbad, 36, a cameramen with the Palestinian independent news agency Ramattan, contradict Palestinian claims that an IDF shell killed the Ghalia family and point to the possibility that the event was staged to hold Israel responsible.

Irbad was the first journalist to arrive at the s cene after the attack and Ramattan sold footage of Hadil weeping on the beach by her dead father to all major news broadcasters.

The newspaper said in footage of the beach taken by an IDF drone at the time of the attack, five craters left by IDF artillery shells could be seen, but that 250 meters away people could also be seen.

The paper said it is strange that although shells exploded 250 meters away from a beach site where Palestinian families congregated, no one was seen running away or panicking.

Irbad told the newspaper he was told of the attack by paramedics who guided him to the scene.

But no paramedics are seen until later in the footage, raising suspicions that he was first to reach the scene.

Moreover, if Irbad was the first to get to the scene, why were most bodies covered by sheets? Who was there first to cover the bodies? The newspaper asked.

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Did Hamas men hide evidence from the scene, as claimed by eyewitnesses interviewed by Israeli broadcasters?

The newspaper said Irbad evaded most of the questions addressed to him.

Asked why he didn't try to calm Hadil instead of filming her he said: "She asked me to film her. She wanted to be seen next to her father to show the world the crimes that Israel is committing."

The newspaper finally asks: "Did the shocked 10-year-old girl, who had lost her father minutes earlier, give the cameraman direction instructions?"

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 12:49:16 PM

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by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 12:16:04 PM

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LETS NOT FORGET THE BOMBING IN ARGENTINA AGAINST "THE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER" WHICH WAS CARRYIED OUT BY HEZBOLLAH. IN WHICH ALMOST 100 JEWS WERE MURDERED. WHICH WAS THE WORST SINGLE DEADLIEST ATTACK AGAINST JEWS SINCE THE HOLOCAUST!

HEZBOLLAH IS NOT LIKE HAMAS WHO TARGETED ISRAELI SOLDIERS AND CIVILIANS IN THE WEST BANK AND GAZA, HEZBOLLAH IS NOT LIKE AL QAEDA WHO TARGETED ISRAELI INTERESTS OR ISRAELIS ABROAD, BUT INSTEAD THE BOMBING IN ARGENTINA WAS ONLY MEANT TO KILL JEWS.

THE KILLING OF JEWS WAS NOT THE 'MAIN' TARGET OF THIS ATTACK, BUT INSTEAD, IT WAS THE 'ONLY' TARGET!

WATCH THE VIDEO:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tP2YwdfL4BU

 BUT ONCE AGAIN IDIOTIC BRIAN!!!!!! HEZBOLLAH COULD NOT HAVE COLLABORATED WITH HITLER BECAUSE HEZBOLLAH DIDN'T EXIST IN THE TIME OF HITLER YOU MORON! HEZBOLLAH COULD NOT HAVE COLLABORATED WITH HITLER BECAUSE HEZBOLLAH DIDN'T EXIST IN THE TIME OF HITLER YOU MORON! HEZBOLLAH WAS ONLY FORMED IN THE 1980'S!!!!!

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WATCH THE VIDEO:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tP2YwdfL4BU

AND THEN MCMINNIE COMLAINS AND SAYS THAT "WE ARE TRYING TO DEFAMTE HEZBOLLAH AND MAKE THEM LOOK BAD!!!!" SO MCMINNIE, IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT????? MCMINNIE, I CAN ALMOST FEEL SORRY FOR HEZBOLLAH, AND FOR YOU!!!!!

HEZBOLLAH, INDEED A TRUE FREEDOM FIGHTING ORGANIZATION!!!!

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by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 4:22:37 PM

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THERE IS :
1- NO DOUBT THAT HEZBOLLAH SHOT MISSILES AT ISRAEL FROM POPULATED AREAS

2- NO DOUBT THAT HEZBOLLAH COWARDLY SOUGHT REFUGE IN CIVILIAN AREAS AND USED THEM AS HUMAN SHIELD

3- AND THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT LEBANESE CIVILIANS AIDED HEZBOLLAH IN ALLOWING THEM TO SEEK SHELTER IN THEIR TOWNS AND VILLAGES!
SHORT NOTE: IF AMERICA AND CUBA WENT TO WAR AND AMERICAN TROOPS WILL COME TO MY NEIGHBOHR'S HOUSE AND STORE WEAPONS THERE, SEEK SHELTER THERE, AND FIRE AT CUBA FROM THERE, AND CUBA BOMBS MY NEIGHBOHR'S HOUSE AND KILLS HIM, THEN MY NEIGHBOHR WAS A LEGITIMATE TARGET!!!

WHEN HEZBOLLAH SHOT KATYSHAS AT ISRAEL THEIR MAIN INTENTION WAS TO KILL AS MANY CIVILIANS AS POSSIBLE. THEY DIDNT TRY TO SHOOT KATYUSHAS AT AN ISRAELI MILITARY BASE BUT MISSED AND KILLED CIVILIANS, BUT INSTEAD THEY WOULD SHOOT THE ROCKETS DIRECTLY INTO THE HEART OF EVERY CITY IN THE NORTH OF ISRAEL!

According to the Human Rights Watch report, Hezbollah had a pattern during the war of "firing indiscriminately and in some cases deliberately at civilians and civilian structures, in violation of international humanitarian law."

The report also found that the Iranian-backed group "repeatedly bombarded cities, towns, and villages without any apparent effort to distinguish between civilians and military objectives."

According to the rights group, those actions by Hezbollah, "a party to an armed conflict governed by international humanitarian law," had "violated fundamental prohibitions against deliberate and indiscriminate attacks against civilians."

The report also states that "Hezbollah rockets repeatedly hit populated areas in Israel," and that in some cases the group "could find no evidence there had been a legitimate military target in the vicinity at the time of the attack, suggesting it was a deliberate attack on civilians."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=898792&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1

AND NAZI-LEFT WINGERS SAY: "HEZBOLLAH IS A LEGITIMATE RESISTANCE MOVEMENT!"

ANOTHER FAMOUS LIE BY YOU STUPID LEFT WINGERS IS THAT ISRAEL DELIBERATELY BOMBED THE BUILDING IN QANA AND KILLED OVER TWO DOZEN CIVILIANS. IN REALITY HEZBOLLAH SHOT ROCKTES AT ISRAEL FROM QANA AND ISRAEL WAS AIMING FOR THE BUILDING AND HAD NO IDEA AN ENTIRE REFUGEE CAMP WAS INSIDE.

VIDEO: http://youtube.com/watch?v=0jhx2ZT0gTA

FOR SOMEONE TO BELIEVE ISRAEL DELIBERATELY TARGETED THE BUILDING TO KILL CIVILIANS IS A SICKENING LIE!!!!

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 4:45:56 PM

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Thank you for speaking truth Christopher. After reading almost all of the comments on this blog I have to agree with you on all aspect of what you say, you hit the nail on the head on everything. Israel has the right to defend itself, unlike the US who is waging a war of terror in Iraq for oil, Israel on the other hand is being attacked on a daily basis by enemies who want nothing more than to see it and all its Jewish people annihilated and pushed in the sea.

Concerning the issue of Samir Kuntar, I am deeply disturbed by this story-article, it is the first time I have heard about this. After doing some research on the Internet over the past 2 hours, I have to agree there is a mountain of evidence and information about his crime.

Brian and McKinney, Hitler spoke like you guys before he started to exterminate all the Jews. Hitler first started by blaming the Jews for this and for that, like you two do, and then in the end he put them all in gas chambers. You both should be put in a washing machine to be rinsed out of all this hatred you two posses. Do me a favor, please both of you go to a Holocaust museum, or at least travel to Israel and you will learn to appreciate more, and hopefully become part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

I lived some parts of my life in Lebanon and some parts of my life in Jordan, and I traveled to Israel on plenty of occasions. Not all Muslims are bad, most of them want to live in peace with their neighbors. But some, are religious fanatic extremists who want to destroy Israel and the West, and who have hijacked the peaceful religion of Islam. Those, are the ones which Israel is fighting against on a daily basis.

There is a possibility of peace between Israel and the Arab World. Peace worked between Israel with Egypt and Jordan. Between 10-14% percent of the population of Israel is Arab, and them, and the Jews live together in peace and coexistence. Even though there is a lot of hostile talks between Syria and Israel, I believe in the next few years there will be a just peace between those two moderate countries, but first, America, needs a different administration. Hopefully during the 2008 elections.

Micha Zimmer,

Frankfurt, Germany

by Micha Zimmer (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 6:35:23 PM

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Micha: 'I believe in the next few years there will be a just peace between those two moderate countries, but first, America, needs a different administration. Hopefully during the 2008 elections.'

Me: There will be little change in policy. As weve seen Democrats have continued Bushs war on Iraq. Why? Because groups like AIPAC who fund the democrats want war in the midle east, and DONT want US to leave. Thats why theyve not impeached Bush or recalled US forces. They are so pathetic.

And here we have US and israel bombing syria..andother hitler style premptive strike:

A US Air Force F-22 Raptor, an F-117 Nighthawk, an F-4 Phantom and an F-15 Eagle fly over Holloman Air Force Base, N.M.
Photo: US Air Force

The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes.

The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380718519&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

SO did us actually use a tactical nuclear weapon...you know..a WMD???? if it did they it should be doubly brought to trial for war crimes.

of course, US has beem recycling its nuclear waste into DU ammo and irradiating Iraq, afghanistan and other threates of mass murder, with complete impunity.

So, in answer to your fantasy, NO, a change in admin will mean no difference...after all Clinton bombed Iraqs illegal no fly zones for years.He waged war on yugoslavia for years. He too is a mass murderer, but one with sex appeal.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 8:46:27 PM

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Brian first of all I am a Lutheran and not a Jew, you racist bastard! The name Micah is derived from the "Book of Micah" from the Christian Old Testament, which was written about the prophet Micah. Think logically, if I was a Jew would I be able to live in Lebanon or Jordan (I lived twice in Jordan, one time was in 1989, a few years before the peace treaty)?

I would appreciate an apology.

And why do you have so much hate inside you and support only one side? Didn’t your people also suffer during the bombings in Bali and Jakarta?

Secondly you mention that Israel was defeated by Hisbollah, well I disagree. Read the article, and in fact I am planning on contacting Rachel Neuwrith about it, to see if she can put this article up on OpenEditorial.:

On July 12, 2006 Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers that led to Israel's war with them and, by extension, Lebanon itself. Hezbollah has been on Israel's fence since the latter's withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000. Israel always requested from the international community and from the Lebanese government to deploy its Lebanese Army there instead of Hezbollah militants. Hezbollah, quite naturally, refused! Hezbollah vowed to NEVER allow any other force other than itself to occupy southern Lebanon. Even during the conflict, Hezbollah said it would never agree to allow either the Lebanese army nor international monitors to patrol southern Lebanon.

Then finally, when two IDF (Israeli Defense Force) soldiers were kidnapped, Israel found the perfect excuse it was looking for to go into Lebanon and push Hezbollah well away from the Lebanese-Israel border. Israel pursued a limited invasion and killed over 500-600 Hezbollah members during the one month war. Additionally, Israel took over every single village in southern Lebanon. During the conflict even though Hezbollah received such a blow and all its members were freaked out and on the run. Yet when the hostilities ended, Hezbollah claimed victory! But did it really win?

Firstly, Israel agreed to a cessation of hostilities NOT because it surrendered and defeated militarily, but because of international pressure from the European Union and the United States. During this conflict Israel endured more international pressure, than it ever did in the past 10 years. Israel was put forth conditions and international agreements, such as the deployment of 15,000 Lebanese soldiers and 15,000 United Nations peace keepers into southern Lebanon, and arms embargo on Hezbollah. "This" proposal which was presented to Israel which EVEN Hezbollah agreed to accept, was something Israel was yearning for for many decades and was a once in a life time opportunity, it was a REAL "golden opportunity," even the far right in Israel said "this is an excellent proposal, so give it a shot." This cessation of hostilities, known as "The August Ceasefire", was initiated by the United Nations and International Community, and was put forward before both parties, Israel and Hezbollah, Hezbollah JUMPED right on the wagon to accept, because they saw it as the only way out of the mess they got themselves into. While at the same time, Israel was more stubborn on accept this ceasefire-agreement, since they were on a winning streak. Ever since then Hezbollah has not been seen or heard from in Southern Lebanon! At long last the frail Lebanese Government has finally had a degree of sovereignty over all of its state and is finally monitoring and guarding its own borders.

Not too long ago, nearly all television and print media images coming out of southern Lebanon were that of armed Hezbollah fighters with their guns, outposts, and banners. Not anymore! Hezbollah is now hiding under rocks in Southern Lebanon, its military might having received a substantial blow. In addition, Hezbollah is no longer enjoying the freedom and luxury of easily transferring Syrian/Iranian weaponry across the Lebanese-Syrian border or via the Beirut seaport. Much of this due to the combined efforts of a stronger Lebanese army and U.N. forces keeping a lid on such transferals.

But even though the International Troops and the Lebanese Army keep Hezbollah in check, isn't there still Hezbollah presence in Southern Lebanon, EVEN THOUGH they are hiding "under rocks?" The same could be said for Al Qaeda presence in the United States, who are also hiding under rocks.

Hezbollah may portray themselves as fearsome "militants" but they are in fact cowards cowering behind Lebanese civilians. Yet, through mostly pin-point targeting, the IDF dealt a heavy blow to Hezbollah. Five to six hundred Hezbollah terrorists were killed and nearly all of their bases, headquarters and tactical infrastructure destroyed.

Some might say, "But didn’t Hezbollah manage to shoot over one hundred rockets into Israel every single day? AND why, during the war, didn't the Israel army/air-force ever manage to stop the Katyusha fire?" Well the answer to that would be "What's so impressive about groups of one or two rag heads pointing and setting off an unguided Katyusha southward into Israel?" In addition to the fact that Hezbollah only needed 1% of their military might in order to shoot Katyushas from their scattered fields and caves, into Israel every day. Plus, the only way to have completely stopped the Katyusha fire would have been to occupy every square inch of South Lebanon, including 20 miles north of the Litani, and to stay there for a few months.

Israel 'BADLY' miscalculated Hezbollah, those past 6 years since it withdrew from Lebanon. Why? Because in 2004, it was estimated that if Israel was to engage in war with Hezbollah, their Katyusha arsenal would result in 100 deaths per day on the Israeli side, but instead only 2 people per day were killed by those rockets. But during the war, Israel came to the realization that 99.9% of all those rocket attacks, mostly result in a lot of noise and broken windows. Prior to the war it was also estimated that if Israel launches a ground invasion, it would result in the deaths of over 70 Israeli soldiers per day, which would have left over 2000 dead on the IDF side at the end of the 34 day conflict. But only 120 soldiers were killed in total, which makes it 3-4 soldiers per day.

The reason 120 soldiers were killed in the first place, is because what would someone expect if an army deployed 30,000 soldiers squashed together in a small, tight, open space (South Lebanon)! It was amazing that after the war, those soldier didn't all suffer from cluster phobia. But even though Israel deployed so many soldiers in the open, Hezbollah didn't manage to deliver that harsh blow as was estimated before the ground invasion. But after all, Hezbollah didn't fight as courageous as the Egyptians during the Suez Canal invasion, nor as the Syrians during the war in the Golan heights.

It shouldn’t shock the world that Hezbollah bombed a couple Israeli Merkava Tanks, because even the Palestinians have done it in the past too. Blowing up a Merkava Tank is a common operation. But at the same time Israel was still advancing and still taking over every village in South Lebanon, bombing every headquarter and outpost, all Hezbollah members were on the run. Even though Israel lost a couple of tanks and didn’t destroy Hezbollah, it still doesn’t mean they (Israel) were defeated militarily. The definition of military defeat, mean: to crush the other side, force it to flee and or be on the run, or force it into surrender. Israel was not defeated militarily!

During and after the war, Hezbollah regretted starting the war in the first place, by kidnapped the two Israeli soldiers. But Israel on the other hand, didn’t regret going to war with Hezbollah, not even 1%. In fact Israel was ready to go for round two, but Hezbollah, will not dare even consider thinking about it.

During the fighting, many people (both inside and outside Lebanon) finally saw Hezbollah as they really are... a terrorist group. It's strategy had little or no military value. The rockets they launched were intended to cause terror among Israel's citizenry. They were not aimed at Israel military targets.

Israel never managed to destroy Hezbollah. As much as the IDF might have wanted to, the wiping out of Hezbollah was not Israel's goal. Nor could it ever be its goal. It is against the laws of physics to destroy a guerilla/terrorist group (America is learning it the hard way with Al Qaeda) since their operatives and members are always blending in and out of the civilian populations from which they so cowardly operate. In fact NEVER in history has a guerilla group ever been destroyed.

Additionally, rescuing the kidnapped IDF soldiers without a strong intelligence as to exactly where they were hidden, would have been a nearly impossible mission.. assuming they had not already been secreted out of Lebanon into Syria or Iran!

We constantly hear phrases such "Hezbollah emerged stronger," "Hezbollah is now stronger than ever," or "Hezbollah is now seen stronger than before!" There is some truth to that. Since before the Israeli withdrawal of 2000, Hezbollah was seen as more of a small arms, home made explosive, cut and run group, but during this conflict they were able to show off their Iranian made weapons. But they were no match for the Israeli army, whom they bowed down to at the end, by feeling too threatened to attack and provoke ever again.

When the United Nations wanted to impose a 48-hour ceasefire, it was Hezbollah which rushed to accept while Israel had to be pressured. Obviously this was because Israel had the military momentum in her favor. And when the month-long conflict ended, Hezbollah leader, Nasrallah, remained in an underground bunker, no longer enjoying frequent visits to central Beirut, giving daily "Hate Israel" speeches, driving down to his home town of southern Lebanon or enjoying first class flights to Damascus and Tehran. Nasrallah even admitted that had he known that even one percent of this war would have gone as it had, he would have NEVER kidnapped the soldiers and thus started the war!

"We did not think, even 1 percent, that the capture would lead to a war at this time and of this magnitude. You ask me, if I had known on July 11 ... that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not." - Hezbollah Leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, August 27, 2006

In February 2007, there was a skirmish between Israeli troops and the Lebanese army on the Israel/Lebanon border, even though this skirmish that resulted in a shoot out and was unfortunate, the ray of light from all this, was that Israel was confronted and attacked by the Lebanese army and not by Hezbollah. This was one of the first signs that showed that the Lebanese army was doing its job. This was mostly due to the fact that Hezbollah lost its kingdom in Southern Lebanon, and is NOW in constant check by UNIFL, Lebanese Army, and International Troops. At least the Lebanese army was able to stand its ground and take control, unlike BEFORE the August 11 ceasefire! At least Israel finally got its wish, after 40 years, to FINALLY have the Lebanese army in control of the border. Since August 11, 2006 when the Lebanese army began its deployment in Southern Lebanon, not a single Katuysha, let alone a singe bullet was fired toward the Israeli side of the fence by Hezbollah. Unlike after the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon in May 2000, when Hezbollah would look for any excuse to shoot Katyushas into Israel at least once every three months, but not anymore. No longer will the Israeli citizens of Northern Israel will ever live in fear once again!

People in the Lebanese Government now hate Hezbollah, for bringing destruction to Lebanon. All of Hezbollah's southern Beirut strong posts were destroyed by Israel. Even after the cease fire, Israel stayed in Lebanon for two more months in order to destroy all remaining Hezbollah outposts and bunkers while Hezbollah stood by and did nothing. During the conflict some of the Israel/Lebanon border fence was destroyed and torn down, and Israel was in no rush to fix it, since what's the point? Hezbollah will not want to mess with the IDF again! Even until today some of that fence has not been fixed yet, since the only threat of infiltration, now, is from drug dealers smuggling Hashish across that border.

But what about the Winograd Commission, "which is an independent Israeli government-appointed commission of inquiry, chaired by retired Israeli chief judge Eliyahu Winograd, which is set out to investigate and draw lessons from the failures experienced by Israel during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. Which resulted in a war panel, and even the resignation of high figures such as the Israeli chief of staff Dan Halutz." The reason THIS is currently taking place in Israel, is it goes to show that Israel is a democratic country! If a "Lebanese-Winograd Commission" would be done to Hezbollah; for launching an illogical irresponsible attack on Israel, by kidnapping the two soldiers which led to the war and the destruction of Lebanon. And if a Lebanese Winograd Commission would be done to the Lebanese government; for not controlling its southern border by allowing thuggish armed militias (Hezbollah) to roam free there, allowing illegal weapon shipments via the Lebanese seaport, air port, and Syrian Lebanese border to those armed "non-governmental" militias, and allowing Syria and Iran to meddle in its politics, then Lebanon would crumble to dust! But after all, Lebanon is not a Democracy.

Worst case scenario, the Winograd Commission and some of the failures of this war, prove, that Israel might have been defeated from within, but not militarily.

Furthermore there hasn't been one complaint filed against Hezbollah on behalf of UNIFL and the International Troops since last year's August cease-fire, the only complaint filed, was against the Israeli army for their over flights over Lebanese territory. Speaking about Israeli over flights, even the Israeli army itself, hasn't complained even once, about hostile enemy fire against its planes by Hezbollah. Since Israel withdrew from Lebanon in May 2000, up until the war last summer, they continued their daily over flight and breaches over Lebanese territory, only to find themselves being confronted by Hezbollah anti-aircraft artillery. But after the August cease-fire Israel 'STILL' continued its breaches over Lebanese airspace, but this time, Hezbollah hasn't even shot one pellet at them! Maybe because they are deterred and maybe because UNIFL and the Lebanese army are now in control.

After the war, Hezbollah saw that it could no longer push around and bully Israel, and are therefore now trying to bully the "weak" Lebanese government by; their mass demonstration, camping out in front of the Lebanese Parliament, and political assassinations.

Israel did loose the war last summer, but not in Lebanon, but instead in Gaza. After Gilad Shalit was kidnapped, Israel began a massive military campaign in Gaza, destroying infrastructure, entering towns and cities, going after terrorists, and also trying to stop the Qassam rocket fire. But instead, all it achieved was nothing, and the results of it were, that now, the Palestinians saw even more of a weakness in Israel. After the Israeli military campaign in Lebanon, deterrence was at least achieved, BUT unlike in Gaza, after the massive military campaign took place there (Gaza), the Israeli deterrence was lost for good, and now, the Palestinians are, even, more UNDETERRED from Israel that ever! And therefore have increase their rocket fire into Israel. In addition to the fact that as soon as Israel stopped its military campaign, Hamas and other groups said, "They are now even more determined than ever to kidnap another Israeli Soldier." In April of 2007, they acted on their promise, under the cover of intense rocket fire on the Israel town of Sderot, Hamas terrorists again attempted to infiltrate Israel in order to abduct another soldier, but failed. A month later the militant group Islamic Jihad successfully infiltrated Israel, to also try to kidnap an Israeli soldier, but also failed. At least they weren't afraid to try!

After the war some Arab Governments claimed Hezbollah achieved a divine victory! But hey, lets not forget, that some of those Arab governments which claimed Hezbollah won that "divine victory," are some of those "same" Arab governments who "STILL" until today claim that the Syria and Egypt won the 1967 War and the 1973 War!

Conclusion:

People from around the world, before the August cease-fire, would have never believed nor imagined that the Lebanese army would EVER be in control of its southern border. Nor, people would have never believed Lebanon would EVER be able to establish control over "illegal" arms shipments across its Lebanese/Syrian border, sea ports, and airports, and, well, it finally is!

Hezbollah will most likely never dare kidnap IDF soldiers because they saw the might and strength of the Israeli army, and they now feel threatened. Sure, some Hezbollah sympathizers may throw rocks, wave Hezbollah flags or scream "Allah Akbar" at the Lebanese-Israeli border fence but Hezbollah rank and file are laying low. Very low! And Hezbollah is no longer the imminent threat at that very same border.

Since the 'moment' the two soldiers were kidnapped and even during the war, Israel knew, they would not succeed in getting them back, in addition to the fact that destroying a guerilla group is against the laws of physics! Once people will get those two facts into their heads, then THEY will realize that, the outcomes that were achieved as a result of this conflict, were the best possible "REALISTIC" outcomes that Israel could have achieved.

Obviously this past year, the Northern Israeli border has been the quietest it has ever been over the past 40 years.

By, Gabriel al-Amin

Beirut, Lebanon

Articles and Refernces:

UNIFL: Not 'ONE' complaint filed against Hezbollah since last years cease-fire

(Jerusalem Post 6/14/2007)

click here Israeli gloom is misplaced (First Post - 4/17/2007)

click here army, UNIFIL are keeping Hezbollah in check (Haaretz - 2/21/2007)

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/828765.html

Hezbollah's 'Victory'? (Washington Post 9/1/2006)

click here Lebanese Winnograd Commission (Thomas Friedman, New York Times 5/10/2007)

http://www.theolympian.com/109/story/104847.html

by Micha Zimmer (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 11:13:08 PM

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MicahL 'Brian first of all I am a Lutheran and not a Jew, you racist bastard! The name Micah is derived from the "Book of Micah" from the Christian Old Testament, '

so another psyco 'christian'. Bok of Micha is part art of the Old T which is definitely NOT christian...Some christian you are!

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Micah

So like chris, you are swinishly ignorant.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Nov 3, 2007 at 1:52:52 AM

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Are u sure youre taking your meds Chris? Are u sure your catholic? Im sure youre not a christian.

But what a raving lunatic! Your hatred of arabs has now by way of your strange logic, brought in Marilyn monroe.

And youve got an admirer. A jewish zionist this time named Micha...who is not mucha!

'Thank you Christopher

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 8:13:22 PM

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Brian is cornered, that is the reason why his frustration has led to madness and he is throwing insults left and right! Brian, some advice for the future: never enter into a confrontation unarmed! What you don't posses in intelligence, logic, and IQ, you more than makes up for it in stupidity.Brian, I shut you down on practically everything u said since you entered into this blog! I actually remember the first day on this blog, 3 days ago, you were all excited while making all your 'smart' comments but I tore you up on each one of them and degraded into an insult throwing machine. In fact your insults are getting worse and worse with every message you post up on this debate, because u are injured and have run out of ammunition. I take comfort in knowing that this is your own little unique way of waving the white flag.

Keep talking, someday you'll say something that actually makes sense! Maybe in the next life time. The past two days your hilarious messages have been the highlight of my day. Usually to watch people like you I would have to pay an addmission ticket, but this time you provided me with a free show. Your verbal jabs have become weaker and weaker with each message you post, because you are realizing you are not making sense anymore and just running around in circles. And keep on inventing your fantasies that Israel was the one responsible for the Lebanon War. Keep on inventing your fantasy that Israel cannot be a Jewish state because of its small tiny Arab minority (Syria has a higher Christian minority than Israel has an Arab minority, but you don't condemn them). Keep on with your fantasies that Israel puts Palestinians in gas chambers. Keep on believing your left wing conspiracies with your left wing newspapers, etc….

I am not going to lower myself to your level anymore. Have a nice day goodbye!

PS go take an International Relations class to learn about the Middle East, but in an accredited University where they will teach you the history and both sides of the conflict. Then you will realize that what you are doing right now is making you sound so ignorant that you would be ashamed of yourself.

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 9:24:17 PM

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Micha: '

Brian and McKinney, Hitler spoke like you guys before he started to exterminate all the Jews. Hitler first started by blaming the Jews for this and for that, like you two do, and then in the end he put them all in gas chambers. You both should be put in a washing machine to be rinsed out of all this hatred you two posses. Do me a favor, please both of you go to a Holocaust museum, or at least travel to Israel and you will learn to appreciate more, and hopefully become part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

I lived some parts of my life in Lebanon and some parts of my life in Jordan, and I traveled to Israel on plenty of occasions. Not all Muslims are bad, most of them want to live in peace with their neighbors. But some, are religious fanatic extremists who want to destroy Israel and the West, and who have hijacked the peaceful religion of Islam. Those, are the ones which Israel is fighting against on a daily basis.

There is a possibility of peace between Israel and the Arab World. Peace worked between Israel with Egypt and Jordan. Between 10-14% percent of the population of Israel is Arab, and them, and the Jews live together in peace and coexistence. Even though there is a lot of hostile talks between Syria and Israel, I believe in the next few years there will be a just peace between those two moderate countries, but first, America, needs a different administration. Hopefully during the 2008 elections.

Micha Zimmer,

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Micha, the lebanese, palestinians syrians and iranians have the right to dedfend themselves, esp against an ethnic group(zionist jews) known for their genocidical nature. The israeli jews are slowly wiping the palestinians off the face of tghe earth and tried the same with lebanons arabs...fortunately Hizbollah gave israel a much deserved hiding.

What do Hitler and the zionists have in common: ethnic cleansing...the christian zionists say for jesus to return there must be no non-jews in israel....which is why theyve been supporting israels genocides.

If you want to see a holocaust museum...just go to gaza...there israel is commiting a Holocaust in living colour.

Israel has no desire for peace. The mass murdering bombing of gaza beach was to put an end to Hamas 16 monthy cease fire. Your belief in peace is pure bullshit as shown by your attitude to Israeli invasions and massacres.

I suggest you go back to israel where you can see whats happening...or do you prefer the safe haven of germany!

So kindly put an end to your 'we are the victims' fraud...it wont cut any ice with me.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 8:34:07 PM

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ZIONISTS ARE DESTROYING ISRAEL

http://desertpeace.blogspot.com/2007/11/zionists-are-destroying-israel.html

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 8:50:18 PM

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Brian is cornered, that is the reason why his frustration has led to madness and he is throwing insults left and right! Brian, some advice for the future: never enter into a confrontation unarmed! What you don't posses in intelligence, logic, and IQ, you more than make up for it in stupidity.

Brian, I shut you down on practically everything u said since you entered into this blog! I actually remember the first day on this blog, 3 days ago, you were all excited while making all your 'smart' comments but I tore you up on each one of them and degraded into an insult throwing machine. In fact your insults are getting worse and worse with every message you post up on this debate, because u are injured and have run out of ammunition. I take comfort in knowing that this is your own little unique way of waving the white flag.

Keep talking, someday you'll say something that actually makes sense! Maybe in the next life time. The past two days your hilarious messages have been the highlight of my day. Usually to watch people like you I would have to pay an addmission ticket, but this time you provided me with a free show. Your verbal jabs have become weaker and weaker with each message you post, because you are realizing you are not making sense anymore and just running around in circles. And keep on inventing your fantasies that Israel was the one responsible for the Lebanon War. Keep on inventing your fantasy that Israel cannot be a Jewish state because of its small tiny Arab minority (Syria has a higher Christian minority than Israel has an Arab minority, but you don't condemn them). Keep on with your fantasies that Israel puts Palestinians in gas chambers. Keep on believing your left wing conspiracies with your left wing newspapers, etc….

I am not going to lower myself to your level anymore. Have a nice day goodbye!

PS go take an International Relations class to learn about the Middle East, but in an accredited University where they will teach you the history and both sides of the conflict. Then you will realize that what you are doing right now is making you sound so ignorant that you would be ashamed of yourself.

Entertainment

by Christopher James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Friday, Nov 2, 2007 at 9:28:13 PM

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Chris: '

Brian, I shut you down on practically everything u said since you entered into this blog! I actually remember the first day on this blog, 3 days ago, you were all excited while making all your 'smart' comments but I tore you up on each one of them and degraded into an insult throwing machine. In fact your insults are getting worse and worse with every message you post up on this debate, because u are injured and have run out of ammunition. I take comfort in knowing that this is your own little unique way of waving the white flag.'

This fellow has a serious case of paranoid delusions...delusions of grandeur! It comforts him to think he has bested me by posting lots of pics and ignoring all the samples of zionist depravity....is he really a catholic? Maybe hes like all those pedophile priests..a nutcase.

by brian (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 148 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Nov 3, 2007 at 1:46:34 AM

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