OBVIOUS PROPAGANDA

"Nations who pretend to care about preventing demographic genocide or the Chinese concentration camps, like Auschwitz, should not even go to the Olympics at all, under any condition. To do so is to concede to genocide, and that is not what we as a nation can do." Where are these concentration camps? If you are going to make such outrageous accusations, could you please have some facts to back them up? The Chinese kill 8 thugs who are committing violent crimes in the street, and the Americans kill over a million people in Iraq, many of them sleeping families. Where is the genocide, you hypocrite? The CIA was intimately involved in this (See The CIA’s Secret War in Tibet, by Conboy). The CIA took hundreds of Tibetans to the US and trained them in guerrilla warfare. They parachuted weapons into Tibetan territory. They trained the Tibetans to shoot from horseback. The US Congress gave the Dalai Lama a gold medal. The Dalai Lama in return praised Bush as a man of freedom, democracy and human rights. Previously he had called the war in Afganistan a liberation and Viet Nam as a failure. The Dalai lama is supported by the extreme right, thanks to his rabid anti-communism. He has also made racist statements, to the effect that Tibetans must preserve the purity of their race, and he condemns marriage with non-Tibetans. According to James Miles of The Economist, the current demonstrations are violent and bloody. Young Tibetans armed with sabers and Molotov cocktails atacked Hui businesses, plundering them and setting them on fire. The Hui are a moslem minority who have lived there or centuries. Tibetan monks and youth also attacked Chinese businesses, breaking doors and windows, burning buildings and beating the Chinese who crossed their path. Some Chinese have been lynched. The situation got out of control. Currently 13 innocent civilians have died. They had been burned alive or beaten to death. The demonstrators had wounded 60 police, 5 of them critically. 300 buildings have been burned down, 214 of them stores. 56 cars were destroyed. (These figures need updating). The Chinese authorities have used no firearms. The authorities are convinced that the riots had been planned and organized ahead of time as a provocation. They blame the Dalai Lama or much of the violence.

by Antonio (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 63 comments) on Saturday, April 5, 2008 at 12:18:35 PM
 

Propaganda

Did this report originate from a well accepted news agency or did this report come from a Tibetan exile group, which is 1000 miles from the scene? My info is it came from the latter. Who interviewed these "witnesses," and how were the interviews translated so quickly into news reports?

Those who are quick to circulate unverified reports are more guilty than the persons they condemn. They create hatred for others and overlook the brutality that develops these rumors and spurs the hatreds.

by Dan Lieberman (12 articles, 8 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Saturday, April 5, 2008 at 9:21:12 PM
 

reply to both comments

this article came from the London Times, a respected source.

The names of the concentration camp prisons are unfamiliar to most, certainly in comparison to the names of the German camps.

Here are a few: Drapchi, Maowang, Karze, Xinduquo. There are many more listed at TCHRD.ORG, the website for the Tibetan Center for Human Rights Documentation, which has also a list of those incarcerated as political prisoners, most of which are monks, nuns, and teachers from Tibet.

Several years before World War II, a Swiss rabbi, Stephen Wise, wrote to Roosevelt and the Secretary of State, about the obvious growing concentration camps and murders of Jews in Europe. These were dismissed as propaganda and as misinformation, largely by anti semites in the state department, and by Roosevelt himself! Read While Six Million Died, by Arthur D. Morse, and then read TIBET; FIFTY YEARS UNDER COMMUNIST CHINESE RULE, a great book you can order from the Office of the Personal Representative of His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, 212 213-5010, in New York.

by Stephen Fox (79 articles, 2 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 443 comments) on Sunday, April 6, 2008 at 11:09:20 AM
 

Stephan Fox proves his prejudices

Stephan Fox's reply is not correct and proves his pre-conceived notions.
The London Times did not originate the story, and he must have read their own admission:

Chinese paramilitary police killed eight people and wounded dozens more when they fired on a protest by several hundred Tibetan monks and villagers, The Times has been told.

He continues with outrageous, fraudulent comments, and an insult to the memory of FDR.

Several years before World War II, a Swiss rabbi, Stephen Wise, wrote to Roosevelt and the Secretary of State, about the obvious growing concentration camps and murders of Jews in Europe. These were dismissed as propaganda and as misinformation, largely by anti semites in the state department, and by Roosevelt himself!

I have researched the principal U.S. newspapers during the1930's concerning this topic and none of this is true. There were no specific camps for Jews and no mass killings before 1942. I learned that beginning in 1933, Roosevelt and congress responded forcibly to Germany about charges that the Nazis were endangering Jews. Nothing was dismissed as propaganda, certainly not by Roosevelt himself. The oft repeated propaganda that the State Department was housed by anti-Semites is ridiculous - maybe housed by officials fearful that certain Jewish groups would use the State department for their own agendas.

 By the way, wasn't Stephan Weiss American? Does Fox have a copy of the described letter?

by Dan Lieberman (12 articles, 8 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Sunday, April 6, 2008 at 2:47:36 PM
 

REPLY

WHOA THERE....ME PREJUDICED?  HOW ABSURD. JUST READ THE DARN BOOK, ARTHUR D. MORSE. While Six Million Died, is the Title.

I am proud to have been to recommending to many heads of state that they not participate in the 2008 Olympics, starting in 2002, before the Dalai Lama started talking about it seriously.

Once again, if you have doubts about what is going on Tibet, at least go to this site for TIBETAN CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS DOCUMENTATION, tchrd.com, and if you really want the full treatment and deepest analysis, read their book, Tibet: 50 Years Under Communist Chinese Rule. You can, once again, call Office of Tibet in NYC, 212 213-5010, and order it with a credit card. If all of the athletes read this book, half of them wouldn't want to go to compete in Beijing and would withdraw, no matter what their nation's official policy was.

 Make no mistake: the Tibetans recognize that if they fail before the Olympics, then China will swallow up that former nation, cut off tourism and international press presence, and continue the genocide unabated.

Too bad the critic above never heard about  Roosevelt sending a boat load or two of Eastern European Jews back to Hamburg, rather than letting it land in a humanitarian gesture and saving all of those lives. There is no secret that many many high in the State Department during those years were virulently anti-semitic. Just do a little homework and google a bit, to learn the sad truth.

I refuse to stand by knowing what I know about the Chinese in Tibet and do or say nothing. This is about the last chance they have to make their points internationally, and fortunately, the heads of state of Germany and France are comprehending their plight and what all of this means.

Even the New York Times carried recently the story about the 8 people being shot, and named them. I read the Times more often than I do the London Times, as it is somewhat more accessible.

 Some of these critics seem like they are going to react weirdly no matter what position is put forth. I say to all of them: do some more homework. Even the Dalai Lama himself compares their Diaspora to that of the Jews, and says that they will learn the most about Global Adaptation from Jewish people. I agree, and if that is prejudiced, better look up the meaning of the word before you use it inaccurately.  

Read Dalai Lama's book, My Land, My People, and see how America and the UK and France abandoned him and ignored the invasion of Tibet by China; it was like the Bay of Pigs, times a thousand. Only India would help them at that time.

When they march every night in Santa Fe around the Plaza holding candlelight vigils for the remains of their nation and their culture, I have been joining them, and will continue to do so, up to and during the Olympics. I wrote a UN Draft Resolution to create an International Tribunal to Prosecute China for Genocide in Tibet, much like the UN Tribunal's in Cambodia, the Balkans, and Rwanda. It never got introduced, but if we abandon these people in our silence, we become complicit in their genocide.

by Stephen Fox (79 articles, 2 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 443 comments) on Sunday, April 6, 2008 at 8:45:51 PM
 

one more update

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-china-tibet.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

by Stephen Fox (79 articles, 2 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 443 comments) on Sunday, April 6, 2008 at 8:50:29 PM