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From youtube.com/watch?v=7OtSVPo9f6Y: Debunking Libertarianism
Debunking Libertarianism
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If you want to know what libertarianism is all about, don't ask a libertarian, because most of them don't know.

A new poll from Pew Research found that only 11 percent of those surveyed who identified themselves as libertarian were correctly able to identify the very basic meaning of libertarianism as "someone whose political views emphasize individual freedom by limiting the role of government."

Even though that's often an oxymoron, that's what libertarians say, and their followers apparently don't know it.

Weirdly, that same poll found that 41 percent of libertarians believe that the government should regulate business, 46 percent of libertarians believe that corporations make too much profit, and 38 percent of libertarians believe that government aid to the poor is a good thing.

Similarly, of the so-called libertarians polled, 42 percent believe that police should be able to stop and search people who "look like criminals," and 26 percent think "homosexuality should be discouraged."

What happened to limited government and more individual freedoms?

Basically, people in America who call themselves libertarians have absolutely no idea what libertarianism is really about.

So, let's go over it for a second.

Back in 1980, David Koch, one half of the Kochtopus, ran as the Libertarian Party's vice presidential candidate.

And the platform that he ran on back in 1980 provides a great summary of what libertarianism is really about.

First, libertarians want to "urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission."

In other words, they want to make it as easy as possible for corporations and wealthy billionaires to flood our democracy with corruptive cash and buy even more politicians.

They want Citizen's United on steroids -- and then some.

Next up, libertarians "favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs."

Instead, they want to privatize healthcare in America, so that their billionaire friends in the healthcare industry can get even richer, while working-class Americans are getting sicker and sicker.

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The libertarians who don't know what libertarians ... by June Genis on Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 4:22:17 PM
"At least for now Libertarians are not advocating ... by BFalcon on Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:57:13 AM
And why is that idiotic? Do we make everyone shop... by June Genis on Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:49:10 AM
Everybody can already save or invest any way they ... by BFalcon on Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16:17 AM
Why should we all be FORCED to cover for each othe... by June Genis on Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:55:29 AM
Again, why would this contribution be the only mon... by BFalcon on Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:57:43 AM
I'm beginning to think its not worth trying to dis... by June Genis on Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:01:35 PM
I am not screaming and hear you well.We the people... by BFalcon on Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:42:20 PM
Mark these words, those with insight, Daniel 12:3,... by Michael Dewey on Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:06:38 PM
That's a fair analysis of Libertarianism since 198... by E. J. N. on Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 6:16:44 PM
So. Is there any way a rational person could be a... by Jerry Wesner on Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 7:06:07 PM
People's ability to fool themselves is admirable. ... by BFalcon on Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:27:47 PM
In my experience, libertarians believe humanity wi... by Derryl Hermanutz on Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 at 8:43:30 PM
The Mexican drug cartels are a good example of wh... by June Genis on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:55:30 AM
"The Mexican drug cartels are a good example of w... by Maxwell on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:33:02 AM
they want to privatize health care in America?And ... by Stephen Meier on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 2:15:20 AM
Spot-on Thom Hartmann - and EJN. What baffles me i... by b. sadie bailey on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:29:28 AM
Once again we see an article that proports to debu... by Darren Wolfe on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 12:47:52 PM
The US health care system is more market-based tha... by Don Smith on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 2:09:44 PM
Don, didn't you read my view that our govt "...ha... by Darren Wolfe on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 2:20:40 PM
Darren, didn't you read my view that our health ca... by Don Smith on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 2:43:31 PM
Yes, so we agree that the present system is a mess... by Darren Wolfe on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:28:13 PM
We don't have a FREE market health care system. D... by June Genis on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 2:30:00 PM
LOL Please explain why anyone would want "...dysfu... by Darren Wolfe on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:18:26 PM
I think I should quote from an article on Health C... by E. J. N. on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:51:01 AM
E.J.N., I'm 100% with you in condemning the evils ... by Darren Wolfe on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 2:16:21 AM
I totally disagree with you about the so-called "f... by E. J. N. on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 2:08:42 PM
What free market have we had in the last 30 years?... by Darren Wolfe on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:32:54 PM
You just exposed yourself. And what I see is a ver... by E. J. N. on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:08:20 PM
Shucking & jiving, E.J.N. You obviously can't have... by Darren Wolfe on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 5:49:26 PM
What has been exposed is the Progressive preferenc... by terrilian on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 4:08:31 PM
Nonetheless, the US health care system is less reg... by Don Smith on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:40:17 PM
Your POV is too simplistic. Our system is very muc... by Darren Wolfe on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:08:00 PM
Nice Try."The Non Aggression Principle" (NAP) is y... by David Vicks on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:24:43 AM
Liberty minded people have been trying to get away... by terrilian on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:39:48 PM
Liberty minded people... I think you meant to say ... by David Vicks on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:00:08 PM
What am I resisting? Your good intentions, of cour... by terrilian on Friday, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:25:40 PM
Intentions like getting revenue?Revenue mean nothi... by David Vicks on Saturday, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:47:09 AM
David, what drugs are you on? Aggressive police, m... by Darren Wolfe on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:33:55 PM
Well Darren my drugs are my personal business :)If... by David Vicks on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:22:59 PM
I'm not aware of the giant corporations wanting a ... by Darren Wolfe on Thursday, Sep 4, 2014 at 6:37:29 AM
Libertarianism:Freedom for WHO?Liberty for WHO?Fre... by David Vicks on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:46:58 AM
... by Don Smith on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 at 6:41:21 PM
Oh no, we agree! :-) Up to a point. The constituti... by Darren Wolfe on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 2:30:51 AM
I quote the words of James Madison:"The powers del... by E. J. N. on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:12:23 PM
Good thing the constitution didn't protect slavery... by Darren Wolfe on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 6:03:01 PM
Your argument is like those who say the Bible is b... by E. J. N. on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 9:50:18 PM
E.J.N., thank you for the respectful reply. I'll k... by Darren Wolfe on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 6:19:45 AM
Regarding the Federalist Papers, even though I am ... by E. J. N. on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:03:35 AM
You misunderstand my last post. I was referring to... by Darren Wolfe on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:46:59 PM
I understood your point, and I've mentioned before... by E. J. N. on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 12:07:06 PM
I'm curious, why aren't any of you commenting on t... by Darren Wolfe on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 6:08:21 PM
But how do you determine precisely who initiates a... by Maxwell on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:31:07 AM
Yes, any time people are forced to part with their... by Darren Wolfe on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:53:22 AM
Define "Force".You mean like putting criminals in ... by David Vicks on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:12:45 PM
I've defined the NAP already & don't want to keep ... by Darren Wolfe on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:40:13 PM
Your attempt to label taxes and deregulation as "f... by David Vicks on Saturday, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:17:37 AM
No, govt isn't required to have laws. Quite the op... by Darren Wolfe on Saturday, Sep 6, 2014 at 5:38:38 AM
I first heard this Socratic dialog (roughly paraph... by June Genis on Saturday, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:54:41 AM
"If you refuse to pay unjust taxes, your propert... by Darren Wolfe on Saturday, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:36:51 AM
I read many of your comments and I believe that yo... by BFalcon on Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:34:46 PM
Interesting quotations, Darren and E.J.N.Conservat... by Don Smith on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 7:16:07 PM
Don, how is one to interpret "The non-aggression p... by Darren Wolfe on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 at 7:58:05 PM
"Taxation & regulation certainly do violate people... by David Vicks on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:25:13 PM
I don't get you. Wall St benefits from taxation & ... by Darren Wolfe on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:44:32 PM
I don't get you.You are correct Wall Street owns t... by David Vicks on Saturday, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:30:39 AM
I guess in your fantasy world the following don't ... by Darren Wolfe on Saturday, Sep 6, 2014 at 5:26:40 AM
I agree this is a weak straw man attack on liberta... by Maxwell on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:02:31 AM
The problem is that too many Libertarians, like th... by E. J. N. on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:49:23 AM
"They expect the public to simply trust that they ... by Maxwell on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:43:20 AM
I read the essay you recommended. There is no aut... by terrilian on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 5:30:40 PM
It is well known that FDR was accused of being a "... by E. J. N. on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:58:34 PM
I already know it is an unattributed quote. That ... by terrilian on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 8:09:50 PM
Yes, we need courts, laws, & other institutions. L... by Darren Wolfe on Wednesday, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:48:56 PM
What if the court the majority hired and is fine w... by Maxwell on Thursday, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:21:45 AM
Good question, Maxwell. There is a need for an enf... by Darren Wolfe on Thursday, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:41:07 AM
Another quibble I have with libertarianism is too ... by Maxwell on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:38:26 AM
That's because they think in Black or White (Dicho... by David Vicks on Saturday, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:42:31 AM