Strategists say that Mr. McCain can now count on a more motivated social conservative base to help him in areas like southern Ohio, where the 2004 race was settled. --The New York Times, Sept. 7, 2008, A1
In investigating the 2004 election in Ohio--examining pollbooks, talking to pollworkers and election officials, as well as reading local newspaper accounts --we could find no data of a late surge to the polls by born-again Christians. What we did find is certified voting totals in areas favoring Bush that didn't match the number of voters who officially signed-in on the poll sign-in sheets. --Email from Bob Fitrakis, Sept. 7, 1008
To understand how Team McCain intends to get away with stealing this election, we must recall how Team Bush got away with it four years ago. (Those aren't two different teams.)
The plan for stealing this contest has everything to do with the ostensibly surprising choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's VP.
Here's why:
1. Election Day, 2004: The Myth of Bush's Christian "Surge"
First, let's recall that, after the 2004 election, everybody said that Bush had won because the true believers of the Christian right had come out--or, rather, poured forth--in unprecedented numbers, often at the last minute, to support him. Of course, by "everybody," I'm referring to the entire commentariate, both mainstream and left/liberal. On TV and in print, in news analyses and op-ed articles, they all said that Bush/Cheney had been re-elected by America's "values voters."
And they said it with a certain awe--as well they should, since Bush's victory was a sort of miracle. He had disapproval ratings in the upper 40's: higher than LBJ's in 1968, higher than Jimmy Carter's in 1980. Nor was he very popular in his own party, as many top Republicans came out against him--including moderates like John Eisenhower, rightists like Bob Barr, and many others such as William Crowe (chair of the Joint Chiefs under Ronald Reagan), General Tony McPeak (former Air Force chief of staff and erstwhile Veteran for Bush), libertarian Doug Bandow, neocon Francis Fukuyama, Lee Iacocca and Jack Matlock, Jr. (Reagan's ambassador to the USSR); and many other, lesser figures in his party also publicly rejected him.
And so did sixty (60) newspapers--all in "red" states--that had endorsed Bush four years earlier: two thirds of them now going for Kerry, the others none of the above. American Conservative, Pat Buchanan's own magazine, ran endorsements of five different candidates, only one of them for Bush. And 169 tenured and emeritus professors from the world's top business schools all signed a full-page ad decrying his economic policies, adducing them as reasons not to vote for him. (The ad was written by top faculty at his own alma mater, Harvard Business School.) The ad ran in the Financial Times, which, like The Economist, endorsed John Kerry.
And still Bush won, despite such big defections, thanks to that enormous turnout by the Christian right, as everybody kept on saying--even though there were good reasons to be very skeptical about that notion.
2. Election Day, 2004: There Was No Christian "Surge"
First of all, that talking point came from the Christian right itself, whose members certainly had every reason to exaggerate their clout. That they thus credited themselves, and that the claim was duly amplified by their own party and its propaganda organs (Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, et al.), should have been enough to make all non-believers doubtful.
And non-believers should have been especially suspicious of that claim because there's not a shred of evidence to back it up. On the other hand, there's solid evidence that that immense, last-minute vote for Bush was nothing but a propaganda fiction, cooked up by Karl Rove to mask his party's theft of that election.
To begin with, that fiction is preposterous on its face, since there were nowhere near enough of such right-wing believers to account for the incumbent's staggering advance, as Bush reportedly received 11.5 million more votes than he had won four years before. And how many evangelicals did that surge include? According to Karl Rove himself (among others), there were 4 million evangelicals who had not voted for Bush/Cheney in 2000. So, even if Rove managed to get every single one of them to vote for Bush this time around (and it's unlikely that he did), they could not possibly have made so big a difference--unless, of course, their numbers somehow magically increased inside the polls, like Jesus's loaves and fishes.
In any case, Bush seems to have done worse with evangelicals than he had four years before. Consider how his "base" performed, in fact, on that Election Day, as measured by the National Exit Poll (and scrupulously analyzed by Michael Collins, whose essay, "The Urban Legend," is included in Loser Take All). Close study of the numbers in 2004 reveals that there was no big national surge of "values voters": on the contrary.
First of all, the nation's rural vote declined, dropping from 23% to just 16% of the overall national vote; and Bush's total rural vote went down from 14 million to just under 12 million. And while the nation's small town vote increased substantially--by 88%--those voters did not favor Bush as they had done four years before, but opted in near equal numbers for John Kerry. Of those 9.5 million votes, Bush got 4.9 million, while Kerry got 4.7 million. (In 2000, Bush had won 3.1 million small town votes, to Gore's 2 million.) And then there were the voters in the suburbs, who did come out for Bush in greater numbers than four years before--but hardly by enough to make for a decisive jump of any kind, as Bush won 28.3 million of those votes, to Kerry's 25.6 million.
Thus was there no elevated turnout in those regions where most "values voters" live--nor did the post-election polls suggest that "moral values" drove Bush/Cheney's startling re-election. On Nov. 11, Pew published the results of their most precise survey of the electorate. Having asked Americans to name the issue that most concerned them as they cast their ballots, Pew found that Iraq was Number One, noted by 25 percent, followed by "jobs and the economy," noted by 12 percent, with 9 percent invoking "terrorism." Only 9 percent named "moral values" as their main concern--with only 3 percent of them referring specifically to "gay marriage" (and another 2 percent referring to the candidates' own private lives).
Those numbers tell a very different story from the one hyped proudly by the men atop the Christianist machine. In particular, they said that they helped Bush prevail through their well-managed opposition to gay marriage--which Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, called "the hood ornament on the family values wagon that carried the president to a second term." That there was evidently no such wagon did not blunt the impact of such theocratic propaganda, which quickly resonated all throughout "the liberal media," so that it now stands as the truth.
Indeed, it was accepted as the truth so quickly that it went unquestioned even after the dramatic mass reaction to the Terri Schiavo case a few months later, when Bush and the Republicans in Congress intervened in that domestic tragedy, trying to force the very outcome that the Christianists were calling for: "Americans broadly and strongly disapprove of federal intervention in the Terri Schiavo case," ABC News reported. The public supported the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube by 63% to 28%, according to the network's polls.
And so it was throughout the media. According to USA Today, 76% disapproved of Congress's handling of the case, while only 20% approved. CBS News found that 82% believed that Bush and Congress should have stayed out of it. And so it went, with poll after poll confirming that the Bush Republicans' attempt to force their "moral values" on the situation was appealing only to a small minority, a/k/a the fringe. "When nearly 70 percent of the American public disagrees with you," wrote Eric Boehlert at the time, "you're out of step with the mainstream."
That strong reaction by (at least) two-thirds of us was far more telling than the press, and most top Democrats, were willing to perceive, and so they couldn't, wouldn't see the awful truth: Either We the People had abruptly given up our "moral values" since Election Day, or our apparent vote for Bush was a deception, based on vote suppression and election fraud committed in Ohio and elsewhere throughout the nation.
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Thus the myth of that immense, last-minute Christian turn-out was a rationale concocted to "explain" Bush/Cheney's re-election--and the US press immediately bought it, out of a clear eagerness to close the book on that election right away, and thereby black out all the glaring signs of fraud throughout Ohio (and Florida, and elsewhere). Indeed, the press at once laughed off the "theory" of widespread election fraud, dismissing all the facts as fantasy; and in their place it offered fantasy as fact (as they had done before, and have done since).
And so, because the media never did revisit the 2004 election, that groundless "explanation" quickly hardened into gospel (so to speak)--which brings us to the present, and the strategy for stealing this election, too.
3. Election Day, 2008: Another Christian "Surge"?
The choice of Sarah Palin has been widely and repeatedly assailed as evidence of John McCain's "bad judgement." Certainly that choice was very bad. Indeed, it may prove to be catastrophic. But to take it as a sign of John McCain's mere recklessness is probably a big mistake. First of all, there is no reason to believe that the decision really was McCain's, since Karl Rove's minions are in charge of his campaign, which means that Rove himself is running it (as he evidently has been from the start). And while it surely was a rotten choice in moral and/or civic terms, it certainly was not an instance of "bad judgement" in Rove's moral universe, where winning is the only thing that counts; and Sarah Palin was selected so that (she and) John McCain could "win"--and, even more important, get away with it.
They picked Palin not because she is a woman, and might therefore appeal to diehard Hillary supporters. They picked Palin because she is a theocratic true believer, who has the Christianists all swooning at the prospect of her reign (which will commence as soon as Jesus answers all their prayers for John McCain's quick death). To get some sense of their millennial excitement, read this excerpt from an email recently sent out by one of them, to others of her kind:
I believe you are aware that Dutch Sheets [http://www.dutchsheets.org/] was used by the Lord to call prayer before the 2000 election that was so close. He said this morning that this election is perhaps even more critical than 2000 because of the Supreme Court. If the right political posture is not elected, we stand to lose decades of progress and the results could be enormous. Last year Chuck Pierce and Greg Hood prophesied that in 2008 we would not be electing a president but a vice president. Dutch said he could get no release in his heart to back Huckab[ee] even though he was pressured by many in the body of Christ. Huckab[ee] is a good man and a strong believer, but he was not God's choice. Dutch also told us that he knows a man who gave McCain a prophetic word that McCain had made a vow to God when he was at the bottom during his POW days and now God was calling in that vow. McCain was visibly moved by this word.
Dutch was traveling to Texas on Friday and when he landed in the airport his wife called and told him to get to the TV asap. He watched McCain introduce Governor Palin and he said he began to weep, even though he knew nothing about her. He asked God, "What is the significance of this 44-year-old woman?" And he saw the clock said 4:44. He asked the Lord what that was all about and the Lord said, "Ezekiel 44:4." "He brought me by way of the north gate to the front of the temple; so I looked, and behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD; and I fell on my face. NKJV ..... North gate representing Alaska [sic].
And so on.
Such fervor, which now unifies the Christianist community, was not stoked merely by the sight of Palin's glowing kisser on TV. More importantly, the governor became the instant darling of the Christianist far right once all the top dogs of the theocratic movement looked at her, and pronounced her good. To some extent, she was their choice--and so it's wrong to claim, as some indignant pundits have, that Sarah Palin "was not vetted." The governor was vetted by the Council for National Policy, the secretive and highly influential steering committee of the Christianist far right, which seeks to junk the Constitution and replace it with Leviticus and other flights of Holy Writ.
They approved this choice, because Sarah Palin is quite willing to promote the Christianists' apocalyptic program with a brazenness, and comprehensiveness, unprecedented in the history of American political campaigning. Her disparate crackpot policies are all expressions of the same extremist creed. There are, of course, all her Levitical sexual proscriptions: no abortions even for those women who've been raped (or raped by their own fathers); no sex education; no condoms. There are her incremental steps to Christianize the public schools: her moves against their secular librarians; her readiness to get Creationism into the curriculum. And then there is her mad anti-environmentalism: her tacit eagerness for further global warming, and, therefore, her passion for oil-drilling everywhere; her opposition to clean water legislation; her willingness to see the polar bears die off; her letting hunters gun down wolves and bears from low-flying planes, etc. All such reckless policies derive from an apocalyptic wish to see the planet die, so that Lord Jesus will come back here, and start kicking ass and taking names. (Palin's pastor holds that He will set up his command post in Alaska.)
None of this insanity appeals to anyone outside the Christianist community, which is no larger than it was when Bush tried to "save" Teri Schiavo from "judicial murder"--or when he was anomalously "re-elected" by those legions of fictitious "values voters." The choice of Sarah Palin, therefore, surely was not based on any rational calculation of some real electoral advantage; for that ferocious bloc is far too small to pull that off, no matter how firm their conviction that God wants them to.
In fact, the only way that Palin and her doddering partner can prevail in this election is by stealing it, as Bush and Cheney did (both times). Certainly the ground has been prepared for yet another stolen race, Bush/Cheney's party having made enormous strides in sabotaging our election system (while the Democrats just sat there, whistling). Now, from coast to coast, it's far more difficult (for Democrats) to register to vote, and far more difficult (for Democrats) to cast their votes, while countless (Democratic) voters have been stricken from the rolls, through purges carried out by the Department of Justice.
Thus Bush's government has legally diminished the electorate (the Roberts Court approving every step). Meanwhile, the regime also continues to suppress the (Democratic) vote illegally, either through voter "caging" prior to Election Day--or, far more effectively, by fiddling with the numbers electronically at every level, and/or simply dumping countless names (of Democrats) from the electronic voter rolls, and/or putting far too few machines in (Democratic) polling places, and/or disinforming (Democratic) voters as to when and where to cast their votes, and/or simply scaring (Democratic) voters into staying home.
That is what it takes to steal elections in America--all of that, and also something else: a quick-'n-easy explanation for the outcome. For if those final numbers are surprising, there must be some rationale that can (apparently) account for them. And that is why the Bush machine put Sarah Palin next to John McCain. By arousing the hard core of vocal Christianists, they prepared the ground for the eventual redeployment of the same canard with which they justified their last unlikely "win": that millions of believers did the trick.
Indeed, it was not just the choice of Sarah Palin, but the whole convention, that was clearly calculated not to pull in undecided and/or independent voters, but to get the fringe alone to stomp and holler for the ticket. The party platform--crafted under the command of Christianist election-rigger J. Kenneth Blackwell--is a (literally) scorched-earth "faith-based" document, calling even for a ban on stem cell research in the private sector. And the convention spectacle itself was basically one long display of cultural resentment, with lots of loud, self-righteous jeering from the stage and on the floor (with an epic show of ridicule by that fine Christian, Rudy Giuliani).
It was strongly reminiscent of the GOP's 1992 convention--a show that very clearly turned the nation off, and helped defeat Bush Sr.'s bid to stay in office. Team McCain decided to revive that model, not because the nation has turned Christianist since then, but as a way to motivate the fringe, and thereby make it possible to tell the pundits, on Nov. 5, that it was those Americans who turned the tide for John McCain.
4. A Word to the Wise
In fact, that claim will be the secondary "explanation" for McCain and Palin's "win." The first, of course, will be Obama's race, and the sad "fact" that America's just not ready to vote for a black man." We will hear endlessly (as we have already) about "the Bradley effect," and how it struck again, with millions of white folks who had openly approved Obama suddenly deciding, in the sanctum of the voting booth, to vote like Klansmen, thereby electing John McCain.
And, if Obama "loses," we will also hear a lot of other "explanations," each of which will suit the interests--the politics and/or pet theory--of the person(s) offering it.
We'll hear from Clinton people that he lost because he didn't put her on the ticket. We'll hear from Michael Moore, Ralph Nader and The Nation that he lost because he ran too corporate-friendly a campaign. We'll also hear from Mark Penn and the Wall Street Journal that he lost because his campaign was too "populist."
George Lakoff will tell us that Obama lost because he failed to frame the issues properly, Thomas Frank will note that all those Kansas-types are still too dim to know what's good for them, and Thomas Friedman (among others) will point out that Obama lost because he never made that crucial "gut" connection with "Joe Six-Pack" (whom Friedman and those others know so well). Meanwhile, many others will ascribe Obama's loss to all the lies and slanders heaped upon him by McCain's campaign and its confederates, who, we'll hear repeatedly, "Swift-boated" him to death, just as they did to Kerry (as if Kerry really lost the last election).
Some of those assertions will be partly true--and all of them are sure to be irrelevant. For if McCain and Palin "win," that victory will either be a miracle (which is, of course, how some of their supporters will explain it) or just another massive rip-off, perpetrated right before our eyes. And no such miracle is likely; for there is still no reason to believe that that old man and his demented running mate have any broad appeal. The polls now putting them ahead are highly dubious, based on a ten-point over-sampling of Republicans, and crafted without any calls to cell phone users (who comprise a large part of Obama's base).
Otherwise there is no evidence of any large-scale movement toward McCain and Palin--who have to trek to theocratic enclaves, like Colorado Springs, in order to draw cheering multitudes, while Obama/Biden draw them everywhere they go. With Democrats all in a panic, let's recall how few Americans turned out to vote in the Republican primaries, and how few new voters the Republicans have registered to date. Compare that feeble record with the vastly larger numbers who came out for Obama (and for Clinton), and all those whom the Democrats have registered to vote. Since then, the prospects for McCain have not improved, regardless of the spin on Sarah Palin--for this economy is in the crapper, and he has said repeatedly that he just doesn't know about such things. That issue, and his wild commitment to a war that most Americans oppose, make his victory in November quite improbable, to say the least.
And there you have the reason why the GOP must, once again, deploy its giant criminal machine: to cut the Democrats' vast popular advantage. And it is happening right now, as you sit reading this, as each day brings in new reports of voters purged, machines "malfunctioning," ballots slyly misdesigned, and other measures meant to benefit McBush's party. (The fraud is not occurring "on both sides.") Such evidence is far more solid than the nervous speculation that Americans might vote on racial grounds--or the fantasy that Sarah Palin's co-religionists could really win it for McCain.
The theft of this next race is only possible because the Democratic Party and the media, and principled Republicans, have shut their eyes to this regime's crusade against American democracy. And now the only way to stop it--or, if it does happen yet again, resist it-- is to face it at long last, and talk about it openly. It's therefore not enough to raise more money for the Democrats, and not enough to get more voters registered, and get them to the polls; and not enough to spread the word about McCain and Palin, or to try to get the media to do a decent job; and not enough to fight the smears and lies about Obama, and to demand that he and/or the Democrats get tougher.
While all of those activities are crucial, they'll amount to nothing if the race is finally rigged, and most Americans don't know a thing about it. And so, whatever else we're doing, we must also speak out loud and clear about that possibility. Otherwise, if that disaster should befall us, we will be as much to blame for it as those Republicans who pulled it off, and all those Democrats who let them get away with it.
Mark's new book, Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy, 2000-2008, a collection 14 essays on Bush/Cheney's election fraud since (and including) 2000, is just out, from Ig Publishing.
He is also the author of Fooled Again: The Real Case for Electoral Reform,
which is now out in paperback from Basic Books, with over 100 pages of new material.
He may be reached through his blog at markcrispinmiller.com. A movie based on his
off-Broadway show, A Patriot Act, is available on DCD at www.patriotnation.com.
All true. But I would add that Palin was chosen to fulfill the promise McCain made to pastor Warren- to give federal money to so- called faith based organizations.
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Mark Sashine (53 articles, 19 quicklinks, 249 diaries, 3570 comments)
on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 8:18:12 PM
You know conspiracy theories are nice. They do not usually hurt people and keep otherwise bored individuals with a lot of time on their hands busy and are, frankly, amusing. It is a fairy tale to think that Republicans are the only ones who steal elections. That is why they have two judges in each polling place and why they have two people watch and count ballots.
If the conspiracy people get enough people stirred up and Obama loses how fast do think it will take Philadelphia, New York, LA, Chicago, Memphis, NOLA, Miami, Phoenix, etc to be torched?
Instead of sitting around thinking up fanciful ways the election can be stolen by either party get out and find judges, poll watchers, etc. who are the key to honest elections. Make it hard for either party to steal anything.
If Obama is not elected I think there is going to be so much lawless behavior after the election that I am getting my family out of town on election night and/or am going to arm myself.
BTW: in the interest of fairness you should mention that the Governor elections in Arizona and Washington were both 'stolen' by Democrats in the last election. I say 'stolen' because of all the irregularities in the election that favored the Democrats. Lots of dead people voted. The dead always vote Democratic it seems.
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Mad Jayhawk (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 399 comments)
on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 9:50:57 PM
"in the interest of fairness you should mention that the Governor elections in Arizona and Washington were both 'stolen' by Democrats in the last election. I say 'stolen' because of all the irregularities in the election that favored the Democrats. Lots of dead people voted. The dead always vote Democratic it seems."
It is funny how the Republicans find a couple senior citizens that voted accidentally as their dead spouses and the next thing you know it is touted as MASSIVE democratic only voter fraud.
Even though Republicans and the Justice Department declared the war against voter fraud a "high priority," only 24 people were convicted of illegal voting in federal elections between 2002 and 2005 -- and nobody was even charged by Justice with impersonating another voter. [reference]
Mark talks about 10's of thousands of votes being systematically wiped from the roles or switched in the machines and you counter with a couple of dead people voted. Hardly comparable.
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E. Nelson (24 articles, 1 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 272 comments)
on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 11:19:01 PM
I live in WA and no, Gregoire didn't steal the election. The votes were recounted many times and in fact, many dead voters voted republican. You need to get your facts straight.
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camanokat (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 60 comments)
on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 8:35:17 PM
The Republican theft of the 2000 and 2004 elections have been proved beyond any reasonable doubt by a host of authors and official governmental inquiries. For a starting point, I suggest Greg Palast's ARMED MADHOUSE, Plume, 2006, which best lays out the case for the theft of the 2004 election, and gives the names of governmental agencies that affirmed that theft, but were ignored by the media.
The question is not whether Obama will win in 2008. McCain and Palin are clearly unqualified, their campaign an abysmal failure, and the polls unrepresentative of the modern electorate. Moreover, Obama even leads in the unrepresentative polls. Yet, he will lose.
The question is whether the Democrats will fight back this time. After the election is too late. The tactics used to steal elections thus far are not preventable by having a Democratic representative in place at the polling place, or even where the votes are counted. What is needed is a challenge before the election--an open acknowledgement by the DNC that Gore and Kerry both won, but the elections were stolen using voter caging, spoiled ballots, provisionary ballots, false challenges, claims of "no choice" for President of as high as 90% in minority districts where people stood in line for hours to vote, and numerous other tactics. Make the challenge now. State it will be a close election and 2008 will be stolen like 2000 and 2004 and Obama intends to contest the election because the majority of Americans clearly have more sense than to put in office a man beyond the average age of death who also suffered years of torture and who picked a running mate with no academic or life experience that could possibly prepare her to administer the United States of America. The times are too serious, the consequences too severe, to allow the Republicans to steal another election. The very survival of our people may hang in the balance. If ever there were a time for political advertisements of mushroom clouds, this is that time. Harden up, Barack. You took Hillary out, so you owe it to campaign like she would. No holds barred.
And the rest of the Democratic leaders seem awfully quiet out there. Where are Pelosi and Reid and those that should be hitting Palin and McCain every day for you. Do you lead this party or not? Time to take names if you can pull this off. Payback can be a harsh future. The media is treating Palin like a serious candidate. CNN uses columnists from the Weekly Standard as guest analysts. The Democrats are self-destructing once again.
Put it on the record: you will challenge the results of this election in light of the findings regarding 2000 and 2004. If you need experts, some of the best write right here at OEN.
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W.M.L. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 387 comments)
on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 11:52:03 PM
Some lunatic named Dutch Sheets goes gaga over Sarah Palin, and you think that "proves" that she is a theocrat? What are you smoking?
I got one for you: Some Obama supporters had put up Che Guevarra posters in their campaign offices, so by using your reasoning, that means Obama will pass a Che Guevarra federal holiday if he's elected. Doesn't make sense? Neither does your insulting, loony article.
Sarah Palin is not a theocrat. There is no theocracy in the making. That accusation - just like the "stolen election" accusations - is an absolute pile of bovine excrement. Horse puckey. Sheep dip. Bat guano.
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Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 576 comments)
on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 12:36:54 AM
Wow you gotta love it when well respected Republican leaders like Chuck Hagel question the qualifications of their VP pick. I can't imagine why being able to see Russia from your house doesn't qualify for foreign policy experience.
I guess the extremist views of Palin also doesn't sit so well with the more middle of the road farm-belt American like Chuck Hagel. Her pork barrel spending in Alaska STILL leads the nation. For every $1 tax dollar collected in Alaska they get $1.84 back from the government. States like Illinois, Connecticut, and even Minnesota get less than a $1.00 back and thus we are funding Alaska and Sarah Palin's pork. Or how about her views that the government should dictate to a woman what she should do with her body and no mercy for those women who've been raped (or raped by their own fathers); no sex education; no condoms; her readiness to get Creationism into the public school curriculum; her venomous anti-environmentalism; her denial that global warming is man-made; her opposition to clean water legislation; her willingness to see the polar bears die off; and her letting hunters gun down wolves and bears from low-flying planes. Thank God people are waking up and starting to see Sarah Palin for what she really is, a right-wing theocrat.
Another way that the Republicans suppress the Democratic vote is by stationing people at the polls to challenge voters. The Republicans are great challengers. Here's how the past two presidential elections were stolen:
The 2000 election was stolen by the Supreme Court when it stopped the vote count.
The 2004 election was stolen by John Kerry when he reneged on his promise to ensure that our votes would be counted and conceded to Bush BEFORE the votes were counted.
The 2008 election will be stolen after Obama has won both the popular vote and the Electoral College vote by a landslide. Remember when the CBC tried to challenge the fraudulent Florida electoral vote in 2000 and Gore ordered Democratic Senators not to sign their petition? The Republicans will get up a petition challenging the electoral votes of a few large blue states as "fraudulent," they'll have no problem getting Republican Senators to sign their petition. The electoral votes of states like New York and California will be thrown out, and McCain will have a majority of the remaining electoral votes.
But I'm looking forward to reading Mark Crispin Miller's book on how the 2008 election was stolen. Have you signed a contract and accepted an advance for your book yet, Mark? Do you have a working title?
The one thing that won't be in MCM's book is how, despite knowing that the election is going to be stolen, that there is no way to prevent the election from being stolen, and that there is nothing that we can do about it after it is stolen, MCM has still been encouraging people to vote.
If my prediction about how the November election is stolen turns out to be correct, will you mention me in your book, Mark? I'd be happy to settle for just a footnote. ;)
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Mark E. Smith (21 articles, 30 quicklinks, 100 diaries, 1325 comments)
on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 2:21:13 AM
The way to stop the theft of this election is to start the challenge now. Get out the experts and explain how Jeb Bush used lists of misdemeanor offenders from Texas to purge Florida voters from its rolls if their names were even similar, ignoring the facts that only felons lose their right to vote and that Texas's list had nothing to do with Florida's voters. Similarly, both in 2000 and 2004, ballot spoilage was from 300% to 10,000% higher in minority districts than in white, Republican districts in swing states. All of this has been well documented both by university researchers and governmental agencies, but too late to do anything about it. Meanwhile, the MSM has remained silent about what amounts to a coup. Obama should go on the record as to these two elections and state now that he will contest the election results and expects no provisional ballots or spoiled ballots to be destroyed, and no electronic voting machines to be accessed after the election until independent investigators can run random testing on their accuracy. If the DNC has any guts at all, it should be able to talk about established facts found by even the Bush and Ohio governments. Otherwise, he is doomed to lose no matter his overwhelming support.
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W.M.L. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 387 comments)
on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 6:29:39 PM
I think that's what Mark's message is. As an "anti-civilizationist" and election boycott advocate, (yet somehow who lives in San Diego and wears glasses, knows how to write and uses a computer) he would prefer we don't bother. Futility seems to be the message. Gee why do the Republicans want the same things?
Hipper than thou, like the '60s radicals who ridiculed some of us for trying to make a change for the better peacefully. Turned out some were cointelpro.
"But I'm looking forward to reading Mark Crispin Miller's book on how the 2008 election was stolen. Have you signed a contract and accepted an advance for your book yet, Mark? Do you have a working title?"
So MCM is only in it for the money?
Obviously we are in dire straits. Our only hope is mass awareness. At the very least people should vote, if only that will convince them that the system is rigged, and make them do something about it.
Even if you can't bring yourself to vote for any major candidate, at least go and vote for somebody. Then prepare to fight the powers that be.
Giving up is unworthy of the blood that runs in our veins. Billions of years of evolution, the crown of creation. La dee dah.
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Clark (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 20 comments)
on Friday, September 19, 2008 at 7:14:22 PM
I think that's what Mark's message is. As an "anti-civilizationist" and election boycott advocate, (yet somehow who lives in San Diego and wears glasses, knows how to write and uses a computer) he would prefer we don't bother. Futility seems to be the message. Gee why do the Republicans want the same things?
On the contrary, despite what you may "think," if you call an ad hominem attack on me "thinking," my message is clearly one of resistance, whereas yours is to vote to continue the status quo. The Republicans only want the same things that the Democrats want, continued war profiteering, continued fiscal mismanagement, and a continued two-party iron lock on U.S. politics with no effective opposition possible because we have no proportional representation the way that real democracies do.
Hipper than thou, like the '60s radicals who ridiculed some of us for trying to make a change for the better peacefully. Turned out some were cointelpro.
Very glad to see that you made a change for the better and are successfully doing it again. An election boycott is peaceful. It is the only proven effective nonviolent way to discredit a government. Tell me when protests have ever accomplished that.
So MCM is only in it for the money?
That's not what I said. But I'm in it for the money. I'll bet you $20 cash that Mark Crispin Miller publishes a book on how the election of 2008 was stolen, money payable to Rob Kall as a donation to opednews. If the book doesn't hit the market before the next President is sworn into office, I'll send Rob the money, and if it does, you send Rob the money. You in?
Obviously we are in dire straits. Our only hope is mass awareness. At the very least people should vote, if only that will convince them that the system is rigged, and make them do something about it.
If voting in the rigged and stolen elections of 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006 didn't convince them, why should voting in yet another rigged and stolen election convince them?
Even if you can't bring yourself to vote for any major candidate, at least go and vote for somebody. Then prepare to fight the powers that be.
If you vote, you'll be fighting a government that can claim to be a democratically elected legitimate government (that also happens to be a military superpower). If you don't vote, the government will no longer be able to claim to have been democratically elected and you will no longer be considered a rebel, revolutionary, terrorist, or common criminal, but a freedom fighter opposing an illegitimate government. It was a successful election boycott that discredited the Apartheid regime and allowed it to be overthrown. Prior to the election boycott it was able to claim to be the legitimate government and to criminalize all opposition. After the election boycott it couldn't do that any more.
Giving up is unworthy of the blood that runs in our veins. Billions of years of evolution, the crown of creation. La dee dah.
There's a very important little video that you should watch, Clark. It is called, "The Story of Stuff" with Annie Leonard.
I've had hundreds of political party operatives make personal attacks on me over the years because they can't refute my arguments. Your sarcasm, personal attacks, and blase attitude don't substitute for logical arguments.
Voting is giving up. It is giving your consent to an illegitimate government.
Not voting is fighting back. It is withdrawing your consent.
But since you think that we are the pinnacle of creation and that our government is perfect just as it is, you'll continue to vote for it and dare anyone who disagrees to go out in the streets and get maced, tasered, beaten, jailed, and arrested for opposing the government that you voted to legitimize and that therefore has a monopoly on the legal use of violence.
First withdraw your consent. Don't vote. That delegitimizes the government. Then you can no longer be criminalized for opposing it, so then it becomes possible to oppose it effectively. As long as you vote for it with one hand, you can oppose it with your other hand all you want, but you are just fighting yourself and defeating yourself.
But I doubt if your political party will allow you to deviate from the political operatives' smear sheet and actually post a logical argument. You're limited to sarcasm, lies, canards, slogans, and smears, right? They don't let you think or reason because if you were capable of that, you wouldn't be supporting them.
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Mark E. Smith (21 articles, 30 quicklinks, 100 diaries, 1325 comments)
on Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 7:24:27 PM
Have you told Obama's campaign staff to tell him that?
W.M.L. wrote:
The way to stop the theft of this election is to start the challenge now.
In case you haven't noticed, there has been ongoing litigation since the stolen election of 2000. Have any of the fraudulently-elected candidates that were sworn into office on the basis of stolen elections been removed? They can't be. The courts have no jurisdiction. Once somebody is sworn into office, even if the election hasn't been certified and the votes haven't been counted, Congress has sole Constitutional jurisdiction, Article 1, Sec. 5.
Get out the experts and explain how Jeb Bush used lists of misdemeanor offenders from Texas to purge Florida voters from its rolls if their names were even similar, ignoring the facts that only felons lose their right to vote and that Texas's list had nothing to do with Florida's voters.
Many people have proven election fraud, written about election fraud, videoed election fraud, and attempted to litigate election fraud, but the courts have no jurisdiction, so the courts can't do anything about it.
Similarly, both in 2000 and 2004, ballot spoilage was from 300% to 10,000% higher in minority districts than in white, Republican districts in swing states. All of this has been well documented both by university researchers and governmental agencies, but too late to do anything about it.
It is always too late to do anything about it. The moment a lawsuit is filed, Congress can swear in the fraudulently "elected" candidate and then the courts no longer have jurisdiction.
Meanwhile, the MSM has remained silent about what amounts to a coup. Obama should go on the record as to these two elections and state now that he will contest the election results and expects no provisional ballots or spoiled ballots to be destroyed, and no electronic voting machines to be accessed after the election until independent investigators can run random testing on their accuracy. If the DNC has any guts at all, it should be able to talk about established facts found by even the Bush and Ohio governments. Otherwise, he is doomed to lose no matter his overwhelming support.
Or he might win and then concede, or any of the numerous other ways that elections can be stolen can take place. Obama is a member of the Democratic Party, just like his mentor, Joe Lieberman. He is on the ticket for one of the top two slots in November, just like his mentor, Joe Lieberman was in 2000. Has the Democratic Party, the DLC, or their Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates given you any reason to believe their campaign promises?
Obama will not go on record opposing election fraud or insisting on election security because it might suppress voter turnout, which is really all that this illegitimate goverment ruled by two pro-war corporatists political parties cares about. They want your consent to continue doing what they're doing. They don't care which of them gets your vote -- Congress pre-funded the wars until 2010 without any regard to who might win the election. They don't care which of their pro-war corporatist colleagues wins the election, or how you vote, they just want your consent to continue the status quo.
Don't give it to them!
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Mark E. Smith (21 articles, 30 quicklinks, 100 diaries, 1325 comments)
on Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 6:59:49 PM
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