oh my god, they're at it again

Let's take a look.

If we're to believe everything we're told, a small group of men entered the country, took low level flight instruction, hijacked four airliners, flew these jets on predetermined routes to crash into three buildings and a farm.  Seems to be a very sophisticated operation.  Took some planning.  Took some money.

Then,  suddenly these envelopes show up with this white powder and, oh my god, they're at it again!  They're out to kill us all!  

Wrong!  If you lived anywhere west of the eastern seaboard, you're cool.  These same guys who planned and financed those airline attacks had a ready made, pre-paid group of mail delivery people capable of dropping off envelopes from coast to coast, border to border.  Atlanta, Dallas, Seattle, Los Angeles, Denver, St. Louis.

And hell, if these lab rats were really suspected terrorists, what happened to the Patriot Act?  And why weren't they flown off to some black site or down at Gitmo undergoing simulated drowning?

I think the lab rats are innocent and al Queda just over spent their budget with the plane operation and ran out of stamps. 

by Angelo (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 188 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 8:18:06 AM
 

Good Point!

In order to protect the "Homeland", I demand that anyone and everyone who had access to the anthrax, be deemed an "enemy combatant" and simply locked up somewhere, forever.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 524 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 10:41:33 AM
 

Actually, since he was apparently a Democrat

Rethugs should feel OK calling him a "terrorist", ya think?

BradBlog.com EXCLUSIVE: Ivins Was a Democrat 

by Better World Order (4 articles, 432 quicklinks, 30 diaries, 930 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 1:03:16 PM
 

Not!!!!Because he worked for the US government.

Not!!!!Because he worked for the US government.

He earned his money from our taxpayer dollers--just as certain runaway and law breaking contracters--some ex-cIA gooks and national security folks do. 

This means there is an obvious connection to the powers that investigate.

i.e. not 'cause he is a democratic--DUUUUHHH

by ALONE (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 317 comments) on Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 10:42:27 AM
 

Every assassination that occurs on time for the right wing..

must also be done by an isolated deranged individual acting on his own.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1373 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 1:56:45 PM
 

The lone gunman

Only thing missing is the middle initial. Do they think we're all idiots?

by grassroots (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 41 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 2:02:50 PM
 

Why is No One Calling the Anthrax Suspect a Terrorist?

Because he worked for the government!   For some strange reason they do not think people working for our government can be terrorists.   Must be Bush logic!

by Hayesml47 (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 502 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 2:15:08 PM
 

Anthrax SUSPECT

I don't think Ivins did all that, at least not alone.

Why don't they call him a terrorist?  EASY!  Because he worked for the US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.  So by the government's definition, it would be impossible for him to be a terrorist. The president can't commit crimes, and the government can't participate in terror.  Even if they do, we're only misunderstanding their actions to protect us.  Yeah.

Just more confusion over the difference between crime and war in Amerika.

by UncleSim (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 137 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 2:15:56 PM
 

The REAL Anthrax scare is VACCINE A, not the spores

My son who is soon being redeployed, required a trip to the Emergency Room when he received his second Vaccine A shot before his first deployment.  His reaction was so severe, he was excused from further shots when it was mandatory for military personnel. He's suffered a lung collapse and other problems since being innoculated with just 2 shots, not the entire series.

This vaccine has killed and disabled young military men, but you'll never see that in the DOD casualty stats.  When the mandate was lifted because of a court decision, the whitehouse was on the forefront of court appeals to reinstate it. 

BioPort has provided more than 10 million doses to the DOD for military personnel and to HHS for civilian population.

Coincidentally, Rumsfeld, the Bushes, the Saudis are stock holders in  BioPort, the only company that makes the vaccine.  (Rumsfeld also owns Gideon Phama who manufactures the faux bird flu vaccine which would be useless even if the bird flu evolved into a pandemic.)

http://www.vaccine-a.com/  has a connection to a message board on this. 

FEAR SURELY MAKES SOME PEOPLE VERY WEALTHY. 

by grassroots (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 41 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 2:39:37 PM
 

My heart goes out to you and your son ...

Among all horrendous crimes committed by Rumsfeld's DOD this my rank as one of worst. The fact that our soldiers are being used in this fashion rips one with sadness and rage.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 15 diaries, 1688 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 4:05:51 PM
 

more from the ghoul corps

"Rumsfeld, the Bushes, the Saudis are stock holders in  BioPort, the only company that makes the vaccine.  (Rumsfeld also owns Gideon Phama who manufactures the faux bird flu vaccine which would be useless even if the bird flu evolved into a pandemic.)"

More war profiteering from the ghoulies.  

How ultimately grotesque - They make the wars, then feast off all the casualties.

by Aurora (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 353 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 10:51:41 PM
 

It's just a word

Ted Kozinsky and Timothy McVey are both called terrorists, rightly.  Both are white.  McVey was what most people would consider right-wing.  Kozinsky is often called left-wing, but really isn't.  More of a libertarian.

Ignoring for a moment the question of whether Ivins really did it, and acted alone, I think those who say the reason he isn't called a terrorist is because he worked for the government are on to something.  If it's ever discovered the people who leveled the WTC worked for the government, the word "terrorist" will have to be expunged from all 9/11 stories.  Winston Smith will be doing it in the Ministry of Truth, the way things are going now. 

by Maxwell (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 272 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 4:00:55 PM
 

The Incredulosity Meter is Spiking on This One!

I had a bunch of serendipitous information that would give insight, but over and over while writing it up the gov's resident spy hiding in my computer (so far beyond the ability of any anti-spy programming I've yet used to locate it) kept crashing the browser then the system. I kept coming back, but so did the crashing phenomena until finally I went on to something else. I've just been crashing here again incessantly and was almost glitched out of being able to comment at all, so am writing this on an e mail screen and saving as I go...... (expecting to crash a few more, then try to get back in a few more yet before I can post anything at all!!!) (SOMEthing is up today!!! SOMEthing else, too, beyond putting all the accumulated dots concerning Ivins into a comment!) (This happened earlier too, until I went about being inconsequential for a while, THEN suddenly things were working ok!!!)

Without trying to get the info in, still I must at least say that it is most likely that Ivins did NOT commit suicide, that the so called "therapist" was a phony who's story changed as it went..... that most probably Ivins was conscience riddled because he had discovered what the details were, perhaps had proof, so he had to be silenced and they acted so compulsively fast on it that the story wasn't yet set or arranged. The unqualified "therapist" is herself a person in need of phycological assessment and treatment and has demonstrated being out for money.......

Too much of what I had written up before went missing, got scrambled by glitch monsters, or whatever, but I just looked over what IS there, and though I don't know if I should take the time to smooth it out, it did have some value left worth trying to get posted........

8/3/08
Ivins hardly even had a chance yet to get cold, and there they were reading out his confidental "therapist" "records" over the evening news. THAT story changed too, as it went along from CBS, to ABC-----
hmmmm. I just realized that it had changed more than I had then realized! Now, THAT's getting toooo off the wall!

Evening news is an assessment of what they're putting out now, and therefore also, what has been handed to the sheeple to believe, how much they're hiding or twisting this or that----- what flavor the spin........
Usually we go from CBS, to ABCorNBC then PBS then BBC. (all off the battered "old fashioned" TV anttena) So, we're used to 3 or 4 in a row and I didn't realize until recalling it before just now when starting out to write it up; there were only 2 "news's" tonight, but there were 3 versions.....! The first round, the "records" that were read were mild compared to later. The segment was not one presented as "more later", it was a done subject for the evening. The 'therapist's' "record" noted a few bits about, someone with some depression, though it seemed a bit on the fly, quietly just lightly mentioned, a bit too impersonalized, like quickly pulled from a book, "therapist jargon for dummies", then added on like an afterthought, a rather lame bit, getting it in, quietly spoken, the voice having less volume than for the rest, she added on, looking downward, sounding unsure and reluctant, that he was recently seeming suicidal, tho' before it was done, suddenly a quick line came out in a tone of voice not matching the rest of what she had said, seeming "coached", and was then attaching something of a claim, perhaps telepromted in, that he had mentioned something too, about suicide..... It fell flat and felt very tacked in and tacked on. It was an obvious construct.

Ivins was otherwise described in rather generic mild-mannered terms. It seemed to me that there must have been an immediate big generic, chorus of >guffaw< --responding questioningly that it could be so soon after announcing him suspect, to now be announcing that IVINS had also now quickly, too quickly, "committed suicide". (My first comment was that they better get that body over for a really thorough, witnessed, videoed autopsy!) (....second thought, --He was about to spill a buncha beans!)
They dropped in some doofy scenarios with graphic illustrative accompanyment: a little production.

Now, I can't remember a time, without suddenly breaking "new news" that they have ever held a second engagement in the same 30 min. network evening news program, a second segment given to SAME "story" to be reported, as if it hadn't already been there in the earlier portion of that single little half hour.......

Meantime, I guess, the posing 'therapist', who the first time around didn't really seem actually even acquainted with this man, in the second round suddenly had impassioned memories that had him suddenly showing up one day for a "group session"--- the story seeming to grow and embellish itself as it went along, I think starting with having mentioned a gun, then going 'round on that again, he was holding a gun, (someone came in my kitchen backdoor right then, interrupting things for a moment, so its not clear enough in my thoughts to recall the words, but the "aftertaste" though, was strong and incredulous, jaw dropping, as it morphed on from there growing as it went and THEN, on into more than one gun! First, like being timid by comparison, from introductory textbook generica, then a thought of may or maynot be "suicidal", then generically is, then--- (EACH like add-ons) boosted up to --he'd 'mentioned' suicide, then he'd TALKED about suicide, THEN he said he was going to kill a few, seeming first to be implying threatening to kill people in a group session, sounding more as if coming from someone who was holding the group hostage, but not everyone had THIS story yet 'cause they were still writing it!

It looked as if they must have had a few test groups in some separate TV rooms and been monitoring how each new bit played out on the next group of people who hadn't seen or heard of what had been played before, then quickly polling them for what they thought about Ivins, and as long as he kept coming up like an innocent patsy who died under questionable circumstances, they cranked up the intensity to be displayed for the next roomfull............

Before the 'therapist' was done, she had worked herself up into a bit too overwrought, and having ad-libbed little cameos of "he was a little scary", "we were frightened", "OH yes, We Were Very Frightened", jacking it up a little more each time she was prodded with yet MORE leading-words questioning until on the last interjection of how frightened, it was too obviously getting to be tooo over dramatraumatized, and the 'interviewer' and another person in the screen, after that outburst, quit holding the "open file record" to look "official", as if THAT would convey "professional" held out in view "just so" for notice onscreen by the camera, but now the two nonchalantly shifted their positions around, 'sort of accidentally' shifting the now well wrought dramaqueen for a day off into the background until blocking her out. There was an impression of a little embarrassment going by for a second or two in that background shifting.

Round 3--ABC--there was a conscious effort at presenting the story more like a journalsit would. The anchor was 'pointedly' not going to be in THAT category, (almost as if he had just been watching a little series of videos of how it played on other networks, and was still looking, with a little disdain still showing in his face, at the screen, as if it were set up a little down and to his left, like he might say, "tsk, tsk...") ....and then it was a relief to see SOMEone was reporting it, not only "fairly and balanced" but as if to undo some of the sloppy casting of laying down such 'obvious guilt props', that had been done by 'the others'. He used a "patient", compassionate tone of voice and right away cast doubt upon the rush to have IVINS be the culprit, and what was this rush here, COULD they really(?), so quickly, have the right person, OR......
and he went on to mention some of the nicer details, like the award........
_________

Well, there were some missing pieces in betweens that I filled in a little bit, and from here on the rest of it from ABC, PBS and BBC is gone, and getting a little too gray to reconstruct on the fly, much less between crashes and glitches, and now for peetsake, a lightning storm too!!! Still, that 2 segments in one, with the second one also quite EXTENDED, I thought might at least add a little new perspecive to the conversation, anyway...........

That poor man, IMHO, was an emergency scapegoat who coulda/woulda --have brought the WHOLE house of cards tumbling right down ALL around, every little PIECE of it, from '01 onward was my take, personally. I don't think Ivins necessarily even believed his vaccine was ready yet for anything.
Oh, things also kept switching back and forth from spores to powder, from access to no access, and one little clincher finally slipped in with a big clue-- Ivins, after talking it over with some "higher up" figure in the lab who did not give him an official sanction for it, yet did not tell him "NO" either, but something conveying that there'd be no backup if it caused a stir, began examining workstations of his associates in the lab to see if any had left a little tell-tale powder behind. In this process, conducted without notice, he reported what he found and didn't find to that "higher up" after dusting a workspace. It was in one of those 3 news segments on the 3rd that this was reported, and that he had found some miniscule traces on one person's desk, and a bit more down in the same person's keyboard which he collected and preserved. In a later report, suddenly this tiny bit of powder had turned into an amount in his posession that was significant enough to "prove" he had access and might have done MORE yet with it.....!
(By just a LITTLE stretch of the imagination.......)

Meantime, many who knew him have spoken their disdain about the ridiculously trumped up and totally uncharacteristic and demonizing picture of him they had been creating and broadcasting.....
THEN, there was his daughter, whom the FBI interrogated in her hospital bed, trying to get her to say slanderous things to help them trash her just recently deceased and LOVED father.........

So, THAT's why they wouldn't amp it up with the "terrorist" bit-- they are on very shakey ground with this whole concocted MESS they have made trying like devo-keystone cops to get shed of another government attack against its own citizens in order to scare up everyone enough to sign on the dotted line without any time "allowed" to even READ the abomination of a bill being crammed down their throats, and pushed under duress of threats, and so grossly called, "the patriot act".

WOW, I got all THAT much of it IN (almost in.... now, will it post, glitch, or crash?)

That anyone would consider any of this satanic version of keystone cops credible, I cannot fathom!
!!!OHBOY!!!
(-:G

Glitch, Glitch, Glitch.... oh well, I think its all legible now at least....

by G Achin (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 70 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 6:57:54 PM
 

Just Another Coverup

Members of the White House staff were taking an antibiotic weeks before this anthrax outbreak to counter it. (Did they know someting ahead of time?) Seems like another one of their "false-flags". Now the so called suspect winds up dead in a mental ward...case closed! Oh what a web we weave....

by ronheri (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 188 comments) on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 8:20:48 PM