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June 2, 2008 at 12:43:30

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Who Will Try George W. Bush for Murder after He Leaves the White House?

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Who Will Try George W.
Bush for Murder after He
Leaves the White House?

By John F. Miglio

Vincent Bugliosi, the L.A. district attorney who became famous for successfully trying Charles Manson for murder and subsequently writing the best-seller, Helter Skelter, has written an explosive new book that not only lights a fuse under our criminal justice system but challenges the next attorney general of the United States to blow the Bush administration to smithereens.

The book is called The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, and Bugliosi-- who has never been accused of mincing his words (or being an advocate for liberal causes)-- makes a thorough and compelling case against George W. Bush and his inner circle of advisors, who helped him sell the war in Iraq to the American public.

The major premise of Bugliosi's case against Bush is that the former Texas governor, who unapologetically executed more death row inmates than any other governor in the country (and joked about killing one of them), intentionally lied and deceived the American public while he was president about the reasons for going to war in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of over 4,000 U.S. service men and women and over a 100,000 Iraqis.

But how can Bush be prosecuted and convicted of murder if he personally did not kill anyone? Bugliosi asks, and then answers his own question: "...it is not necessary for a criminal defendant to have physically committed a murder to be guilty of it. For example, I convicted Charles Manson of the seven Tate-La Bianca murders even though he himself did not participate in any of the killings, nor was he present at the time."

Interesting comparison. Bush and Manson-- two twisted sociopaths who revel in death and destruction. But Bugliosi goes further: "I was able to obtain this conviction because of the vicarious liability rule of conspiracy, which provides that each member of a conspiracy is criminally responsible for all crimes committed by his coconspirators... Necessarily, (Bush) conspired with certain members of his inner circle, co-conspirators like Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice."

That's the ticket! Send them all up the river! The whole lot of them! Of course, the question immediately arises: If Bugliosi is so convinced a prosecuting attorney could get a conviction for murder against Bush and company, why hasn't an attorney already brought charges against them?

Bugliosi gives us the simple answer: It is generally accepted by legal scholars that while still in office, the president and vice president are protected from criminal prosecution by the Constitution as interpreted by Alexander Hamilton in The Federalist Papers.

In other words, the only way to bring criminal charges against the president or vice president is to first impeach them and remove them from office. But thanks to the spineless Democrats in Congress, Bush and his partners in crime have escaped impeachment and continue on their merry way, telling more lies and sending more soldiers to their deaths in Iraq. Perhaps the new revelations by Scottie McClellan about the lies of Bush and Cheney will finally get the Congress to act on impeachment, although I wouldn't count on it.

In any case, once Bush and Cheney are out of office, they are no longer immune from prosecution. And as soon as this happens, Bugliosi claims the next U.S. Attorney General would be the most logical person to charge them with the crime of murder and bring them to trial, but he adds that any state attorney general can do the same-- as long as the state in which he or she presides has soldiers who have died in Iraq.

The question is, who will have the guts to do it? If it were up to private individuals or citizen action groups, there would be a line long enough to circumvent the planet Jupiter, but for a federal or state attorney general, i.e., a pragmatic politician with a career at stake, to bring charges against a former president, who represents the most powerful business interests in the country, is another story. It would take an exceptional individual, someone courageous and smart and unflappable, someone willing to stand up to the right-wing hate machine that inevitably would bring up every piece of dirt they could find on that person and do everything in their power to intimidate him or her.

In short, it would take a hero, or a saint. And even if an attorney general were willing to rise to the challenge and get a conviction of murder against Bush, would the next president allow the conviction to stick, or would he or she pardon him? For example, if McCain wins the presidency, we can almost assuredly count on a quick pardon of George W. and friends, the same way old man Bush pardoned Cap Weinburger and the rest of his pals who carried out the Iran/Contra affair.

What about if Hillary became president? Would she let Bush and company off the hook? One would hope not, but it wouldn't surprise me if she pardoned them, since she was willing to play ball with the Bush administration from the beginning, not to mention her newfound alliances with Rupert Murdoch and Fox News.

And Obama? He would be the most likely of the three to let the conviction stick. But even he would be under enormous pressure to show mercy. Haven't they suffered enough! Where is your Christian charity? I thought you were a uniter, not a divider! Blah... Blah.... Blah...

To say the least, it would be a real test of character for him, and a decision that would be discussed for decades, if not centuries. Let's hope someday in the near future he has that decision to make. If not, it means that George W. and his gang were never brought to trial and they got away with everything-- including murder.

 

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John F. Miglio is the editor of the Online Review of Books & Current Affairs and author of Sunshine Assassins, a futuristic political thriller.

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Thomas Bonsell is a former newspaper editor (in Oregon, New York and Colorado) United States Air Force cryptanalyst and National Security Agency intelligence agent. He became one of American journalism's leading constitutional experts through years of study at Georgetown University Graduate School of Government in Washington, D.C., and tries (without much success) to be patient with people who argue endlessly on su...

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PARDONS

A pardon of George W. Bush and company by the next president wouldn't mean a thing if all were convicted under state or international jurisdiction.

Pardons by a president would apply only for federal crimes.

That is why the best course of action would be war-crimes trials by an international court. Our next President only needs to have the bravery to issue, or cause to issue, arrest warrants and extradition proceedings should a foreign nation press charges.

by tabonsell (29 articles, 0 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 249 comments) on Monday, June 2, 2008 at 3:04:14 PM
 


10 year Navy veteran,former Federal employee with various agencies,
Gallaher10 year Navy veteran,former Federal employee with various agencies,

Now why would McCain do that?

The next president will be John McCain.

Obama has no chance of winning. Even Clinton knows that.

by Gallaher (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 607 comments) on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 at 3:10:49 PM
 


Stanimal is ???

I hear cries for freedom elsewhere, while the US becomes less so. I hear support for free markets, then demanding a bailout due to incompetence.
I roll my eyes at those that accuse others being oppressed while the US has and still continues to the same and much worse. Laughing at pinheads who purchase and profit from those they curse.

Every time I return to visit I see a country I no longer recognize. A shredded Constitution, a spineless Congress ...

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StanimalStanimal is ???

I hear cries for freedom elsewhere, while the US becomes less so. I hear support for free markets, then demanding a bailout due to incompetence.
I roll my eyes at those that accuse others being oppressed while the US has and still continues to the same and much worse. Laughing at pinheads who purchase and profit from those they curse.

Every time I return to visit I see a country I no longer recognize. A shredded Constitution, a spineless Congress ...

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The entire former and current Bu$h Cabal

have committed Treason, this in itself justify's impeachment of administration officials currently in office. Only after their guilty verdicts of defiling the Constitution, should these fascist's "Goon's & thug's" be turned over to the Hague for War Crimes trials. There is overwhelming evidence for this international tribunal to post guilty verdicts for these high crimes and misdemeanors too.

The USA has slipped down a pre-greased slope since Reagan and his band of rouge government were let off the hook for their Treasonous acts in Iran-Contra.

In both instances it was Congress that allowed this to happen, and they also should be held accountable as accomplices to these crimes.

There are so many from the MIC, CFR, PNAC, and others as the list is a long one that they too must face stiff sentences of collusion with the "Enemy Combatant's" having fomented these mis-guided foreign policy blunders that have made the USA a pariah state the world once admired, but now abhors.

Only after meeting this criteria, will the world believe that the USA is serious about its prosecuting War Of Terror criminals and re-unite the USA amongst the world community of civilized nations.

by Stanimal (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 474 comments) on Monday, June 2, 2008 at 4:40:21 PM
 


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Harold SmithElectrical Engineer

I guess we should be thankful?

Apparently we should be thankful that Bush hasn't decided to go on a shooting spree at a mall somewhere, or hasn't been knocking off banks and gas stations?

Let's say Bush went into a local mall with a machine gun and mowed down a dozen people; then Bush's term ends, he steps down, and is prosecuted for murder. All he has to say is that in his apparently infinite discretion, he thought the people he killed were "terrorists". Wouldn't that make the issue a "non-justiciable political question"; IOW, how is the Court competent to second-guess a President's decisions in matters involving the "security" of the U.S.?

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 466 comments) on Monday, June 2, 2008 at 5:40:09 PM
 


Currently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. For those wishing to view my work you can see my latest at: nolvee.com
Mr MCurrently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. For those wishing to view my work you can see my latest at: nolvee.com

Don't you think bush&co are aware of this?

I'm not the only one raising this specter, but we have a long eight-months to go before we count our chickens and I don't see these cretins allowing a peaceful transfer of power to anyone that would threaten them in any way.

An attack on Iran would make this all go away, as would an assassination of Obama or both and I would place money on both before I would seeing us get through these next 8 months without either happening.

We can't lose focus on just how evil these bastards are. And the fact that absolutely no one has come close to holding them in check to date doesn't make wondering about what's going to happen come 09' a real big concern.

Focus all our energy on stopping any attack on Iran first. We get past that and Obama can get through till 09', then let's talk.

 

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 1398 comments) on Monday, June 2, 2008 at 7:06:49 PM
 


teacher, poet, musician.......join the growing tsunami: 9/11 TRUTH
CamusRebelteacher, poet, musician.......join the growing tsunami: 9/11 TRUTH

Of course all treasonous bastards should swing from

the nearest tree.  But as we are thinking such happy thoughts, let take it a step or two further out of the box.  Of course during the pre-gallows trials all manner of proof about 9/11 will come out.

This will be massively paradigm altering.  We are talking tetonic shifts here and could all be for the good if we are prepared with our demands.  Victors in a stunning, overwheming victory(thats us, the people) can dictate surrender conditions, all done PEACEFULLY. 

So.... a wish list of sorts is in order.   Here is mine.  Add your own, lets brainstorm!   1.   Not only nationalize healthcare completely(no more blood sucking health "insurance" industry at all, like the rest of the world) also take over the 3 networks.  The airwaves belong to us and we will use them properly....only useful information on how to be a functioning citizen on a positively evolving planet, and nationalize ALL WEAEPONS MANUFACTURE AND ENERGY COMPANIES.   Fuck capitalism, you assholes have ruined our mother earth long enough, buh-bye.  From guns to Exxon....all "profit" now is ours, to reinvest in clean, peaceful alternatives.

 

2. Outlaw Republican and Democratic party.  New law will then demand that 5-7 parties are involved.

3. Combine the people's media with no 2 party Duopoly and you have fertile ground for an ARTICLE V CONVENTION, like several states have already put in a formal request for but have been ignored.  By law it should have taken place long ago.....but will only really be beneficial to our offspring seven generations from now (as Natives base decisions) if #'s 1 and 2 precede it.

Power to the Peacefull!!     Love can kick your ass!

 

by CamusRebel (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 74 comments) on Monday, June 2, 2008 at 8:46:34 PM
 


Brett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.
Brett PaatschBrett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.

"Let's hope" - thats too passive.

Progressives should not be observers cheering at a ball game from the bleachers - they should be accepting the responsibilities of citizenship or being seen not to be progressives but mere self interested parochials.

See Obama on Impeachment: Any progress yet progressives?

and Challenge to Rob Kall where I seek a specific commitment.

It would be possible for Obama to be for real change but he can't do it on his own and progressives shouldn't expect him too.  

I am an atheist but I was raised catholic. Nowhere in the lords prayer does it say that we are entitled to forgive others their trespassess against third parties - that forgiving is a matter for them.

Torture and aggressive invasion (resulting in various crimes including murder) are not the perogatives of third parties wanting to further their own party political agenda to forgive.

There can be no peace on earth without justice on earth. The Bush administration will do whatever it can to avoid accountability for war criminals - one of the first acts of the Bush administration was to unsign the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.  

There is also an Act called the American Servicemembers Protection Act, colloguially known as the Hague Invasion Act which gives the President the authority to take Americans held for trial including warcrimes trials by force from their detainers.

A President Obama will not have to be a prosecutor but he would be called upon by Americans to use the Presidential powers under the Americans Servicemembers Protection Act or under Constitution (the pardoning power)  to immunize the Bush administration in order to allow America to move on.

I could not in clear conscience argue that terrorism against United States citizens was wrong, or that those citizens were innocent, if those citizens conspired to preserve torture and aggressive invasion against foreigners as US Presidential priviledges against their word on international treaties upon which all of us must rely. 

by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 1010 comments) on Monday, June 2, 2008 at 9:44:16 PM
 


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W.M.L.Undergraduate degree in political science and philosophy: summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa; with postgraduate work in political economics. Postgraduate degree is a juris doctorate. I am a voracious reader and, although I make no claim to expertise, have self studied in logic, linguistics, theology, theoretical physics, macroeconomics, technical and fundamental market analysis, world history, and many other subjects, which I believed at the time helped explain the world around me.

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GOOD POST: TWO MINOR POINTS

First, and most importantly, for all of you screaming for executions, remember your fondness for state imposed death sentences when Bush pulls your number from his hat of malcontents condemned under martial law. The position of progressives on the death penalty should be always and under all circumstances that the state shall never be given the power to put its citizens to death under any conceivable situation. The death penalty is the first line of defense for the ruling class of any political system. A life sentence gives an activist the hope for a change in governance, or a new trial based upon new evidence or changed circumstances. However, the death penalty is what keeps us blogging away instead of hitting the streets as our country commits a new holocaust and irradiates an entire nation and people. The death penalty will always, inevitably be used for political purposes if it exists. No history lesson writ is so boldly writ in blood. When finally there is a revolution that says no to the death penalty, we may have had our final revolution.

Second, I am personally sick of reading that we have killed thousands of Iraqis. Reading the international newspapers, and projecting the uncounted killed, and adding those who died due to the extended sanctions on Iraq for the invasion of Kuwait which the Bush I regime authorized explicitly (do your homework) derives the number of Iraqis murdered by Americans at over one million. We must stop soft selling our sins in Iraq with the numbers the MSM use and instead deal in reality based numbers. Much like "supporting our troops" while opposing the war, one cannot support the murderer while objecting to the act of murder. We cannot support our troops in their acts of aggression, or our government in murdering over one million Iraqis for their oil.

Depressingly, finally, we must point out that notwithstanding all of this carnage, we did not even get the oil. Rather, we got skyrocketing oil prices instead. Could anyone except a Bush have failed so utterly and completely, and at such a cost?

by W.M.L. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 314 comments) on Monday, June 2, 2008 at 9:58:40 PM
 


Life long Republican conservative until about 2001 when I woke up and became an independent moderate convervative.
tginmnLife long Republican conservative until about 2001 when I woke up and became an independent moderate convervative.

Why not pack them off to the Hague

Why not pack them off like Mladen Markač to be arrested and transferred to The Hague Tribunal? Then have them serve time in one of the torture prisons if not given the death penalty.

by tginmn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 53 comments) on Monday, June 2, 2008 at 10:44:32 PM
 


Ray Louis is an aging, burnt-out, radical activist. He is of the opinion that most people have no idea how harsh and brutal the government is because they have never really done anything to resist or oppose it. While he doesn't at all engage in the level of activism he once did, he still has strong and unconventional opinions. His fear is the Orwellian nightmare coming true (with a mixture of environmental degradation and peak oil as the backdrop).
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R. A. LouisRay Louis is an aging, burnt-out, radical activist. He is of the opinion that most people have no idea how harsh and brutal the government is because they have never really done anything to resist or oppose it. While he doesn't at all engage in the level of activism he once did, he still has strong and unconventional opinions. His fear is the Orwellian nightmare coming true (with a mixture of environmental degradation and peak oil as the backdrop).
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War Crimes Charges are More Likely if Bush is Impeached!

Please call your congressional representatives today - Demand
impeachment hearings and accountability - Capitol Hill Switchboard:
(202) 224-2131 , (800) 828-0498

Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan has revealed in his
upcoming book that:

• Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Vice President Cheney lied about their
role in revealing the identity of Valerie Plame Wilson – actions
easily amounting to obstruction of Justice.

McClellan also admitted that:

• There was a coordinated effort within the Bush Administration to use
propaganda to pump up the case for the Iraq war and hide the projected
costs of the war from the public.

Scott McClellan must be called to testify under oath before the House
Judiciary Committee to tell Congress and the American people
everything he knows about this massive effort by the White House to
deceive this nation into war.

( If you truly believe in Democracy then this is how things are supposed to get done. DEMAND IMPEACHMENT and spread the word -- have your friends do the same! This needs to be a mass movement and all that people have to do is make a simple phone call!)

http://impeachthem.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/wexler-impeachment-update...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeach_Bush

by R. A. Louis (8 articles, 2 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 52 comments) on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 at 2:13:18 AM
 


I am retired with not enough money saved to counter inflation and being forced back into the work force. I am a vet, (Vietnam era), extremely disappointed with the aggressive, imperialistic direction this country has taken in Iraq, to control and usurp it's oil, and the extent to which BOTH parties are complicit.
Nick van NesI am retired with not enough money saved to counter inflation and being forced back into the work force. I am a vet, (Vietnam era), extremely disappointed with the aggressive, imperialistic direction this country has taken in Iraq, to control and usurp it's oil, and the extent to which BOTH parties are complicit.

Both parties complicit

In a sense, by not impeaching, both parties have conspired to murder. I say we must hold them all accountable. Any politician who voted to carry on this aggressive war and illegal occupation, (for control of another country's oil), in lieu of being tried for murder, should atleast lose their seat. This country is so messed up and upside down right now we need to start fresh anyway. Bush has set us back 150 years. Some incumbents have been there so long they feel they no longer have to listen to their contituencies. For sure Pelosi and Conyers. Did anyone happen to see Ralph Nader on YouTube regardig Congressman Olver's statement on refusal to impeach and his reason? Fascinating and must be fully disclosed. Here's my subsequent letter to Olver, yet to ne answered. We must get to the bottom of this.

 Dear Congressman Olver,

Just saw a very disturbing video on YouTube, http://www.youtube.com/watchv=46F36s4RVf4, wherein Mr. Ralph Nader says:

"CONGRESSMAN JOHN OLVER OF STOCKBRIDGE MASSACHUSETTS SAYS THE WORD ON THE STREET IN CONGRESS IS THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION WILL:

ATTACK IRAN FROM THE AIR,

DECLARE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY,

INSTITUTE MARTIAL LAW

AND CALL OFF THE 2008 ELECTIONS

IF THE DEMOCRATES WERE TO INITIATE IMPEACHMENT"

 

 Finally, we are gaining some insight as to why this Congress might be AFRAID to impeach

You must understand that, by itself, this is not an acceptable reason to not impeach, and if true, there would be plenty of ways to strategize against such hostage tactics, beginning with bringing your (Washington "street") thoughts out into the open.

It doesn’t seem to bother Congressman Kucinich or Congressman Wexler to air the truth. Why should it bother you or any other truth seeking democrat?

Mr. Nader concludes that if accurate, things are a lot worse than we thought and if inaccurate congress is alot more paranoid (and ineffective) than we thought.

I could not happen to agree with Mr. Nader more on this subject and ask that you kindly restate your position on impeachment so I know, in fact, what was said at the meeting with your constituents, (referenced by Mr. Nader), and the tone by which it was said.

It is hard to believe but, if true, that you did in fact say this with straight face and from the heart, that you do in fact feel you are being held hostage by the administration, something must be done about it, beginning with bringing it (your feelings) out in the open. How many other representatives feel the same way? The People's frustration with the democrat's inability or lack of desire to mount impeachment against this president seems overwhelming. Arguments from my own congressman, Bill Delahunt, and from Nancy Pelosi, that such efforts would only prove to be a "distraction" or "politically inexpedient" do not hold any water because, although maybe true, they are not arguments to NOT impeach. A legitimate argument to NOT impeach would be that our leaders feel no impeachable crimes have been committed. Well then, SAY THAT! But they cannot because clearly it is not the case. Instead the People are left with this very gnawing and uncomfortable feeling that the democrats are in bed with, colluding with, in agreement with the republicans over the war, illegal occupation, patriot act, government eavesdropping, indefinite detention, etc., etc., etc., and have agreed to complain only, giving lip service to their constituencies, but have promised, in advance, to the other side, not to take any serious action. All of which would help to explain the dems constantly caving in to supplementation bills supporting the war and illegal occupation and efforts to take and control Iraq's oil, in spite of the 2006 election which gave the democrats the majority they need to put up real, (more not less) opposition.

Thank you for your kind attention to this very important and urgent, criminal matter.

by Nick van Nes (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 109 comments) on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 at 7:00:14 AM
 

 

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