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Whither Rendition? Ex-CIA Officer Predicts Obama Will Use It

by Dr. Dennis Loo     Page 1 of 3 page(s)

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On December 13, 2008 the New York Times published the following OpEd by Reuel Marc Gerecht, ex-CIA officer and a member of Foundation for Defense of Democracies. FDD is a neocon think tank that includes Steve Forbes, Bill Kristol, Jack Kemp, Louis J. Freeh, Joseph Lieberman, Newt Gingrich, Max Kampelman, Robert Macfarlane, and James Woolsey. FDD's Board of Advisors are Gary Bauer, Rep. Eric Cantor, Frank Gaffney, Gene Gately, Charles Jacobs, General P.X. Kelley, Charles Krauthammer, Hon. Richard D. Lamm, Kathleen Troia "KT" McFarland, Sen. Zell Miller, Richard Perle, Steven Pomerantz, Oliver "Buck" Revell, Hon. Francis J. "Bing" West (This list courtesy of Wikipedia).

In his OpEd Gerecht postulates a "ticking time bomb" scenario:

"[I]f we’d gotten our hands on a senior member of Al Qaeda before 9/11, and knew that an attack likely to kill thousands of Americans was imminent, wouldn’t waterboarding, or taking advantage of the skills of our Jordanian friends, have been the sensible, moral thing to do with a holy warrior who didn’t fear death but might have feared pain?"

Interestingly, the US government did have information about a pending attack on the US, with the World Trade Center Twin Towers specifically mentioned by more than one source. What did the Bush White House do about this?



Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Not only did they have information, they had a great deal of information, from diverse and multiple sources, all without engaging in rendition and without employing torture. Imagine that: you can actually get useful information without drowning people, beating them to a pulp, suffocating them or sending electricity through their genitals? Fancy that.

In my book, Impeach the President: the Case Against Bush and Cheney, you will find this abbreviated list, in Chapter 14 by Peter Phillips, Bridget Thornton, Lew Brown and Andrew Sloan, of what the White House knew before 9/11:

"A significant portion of the GDG [Global Dominance Group] had every opportunity to know in advance that the 9/11 attacks were imminent. Afghanistan, Argentina, Britain, the Cayman Islands, Egypt, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Morocco, Russia, and from within the U.S. the intelligence community all warned the U.S. of imminent terrorist attacks. Some of the 9/11 prewarnings include:

"1996–2001: Federal authorities knew that suspected terrorists with ties to bin Laden received flight training at schools in the U.S. and abroad. An Oklahoma City FBI agent sent a memo warning that 'large numbers of Middle Eastern males' were getting flight training and could have been planning terrorist attacks. (CBS, May 30, 2002.) One convicted terrorist confessed that his planned role in a terror attack was to crash a plane into CIA headquarters. (Washington Post, September 23, 2001.)

"JUNE of 2001: German intelligence warned the CIA, Britain’s intelligence agency, and Israel’s Mossad that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack 'American and Israeli symbols which stand out.' (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, September 11, 2001; Washington Post, September 14, 2001; Fox News, May 17, 2002.)

"JUNE 28, 2001: George Tenet wrote an intelligence summary to Condoleezza Rice stating, 'It is highly likely that a significant al-Qaeda attack is in the near future, within several weeks.' (Washington Post, February 17, 2002.)

"JUNE–JULY 2001: President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and national security aides were given briefs with headlines such as 'Bin Laden Threats Are Real' and 'Bin Laden Planning High Profile Attacks.' The exact contents of these briefings remain classified, but according to the 9/11 Commission, they consistently predicted upcoming attacks that would occur 'on a catastrophic level, indicating that they would cause the world to be in turmoil, consisting of possible multiple—but not necessarily simultaneous—attacks.' (9/11 Commission Report, April 13, 2004.)

"JULY 26, 2001: Attorney General Ashcroft stopped flying commercial airlines because of a threat assessment. (CBS, July 26, 2001.) The report of this warning was omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report. (Griffin, May 22, 2005.)

"AUGUST 6, 2001: President Bush received a classified intelligence briefing at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, warning that bin Laden might be planning to hijack commercial airliners; this briefing was entitled 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the United States.' The entire memo focused on the possibility of terrorist attacks inside the U.S. and specifically mentioned the World Trade Center. (Newsweek, May 27, 2002; New York Times, May 15, 2002; Washington Post, April 11, 2004; White House, April 11, 2004; Intelligence Briefing, August 6, 2001.)

"AUGUST, 2001: Russian President Vladimir Putin warned the U.S. that suicide pilots were training for attacks on U.S. targets. (Fox News, May 17, 2002.) The head of Russian intelligence also later stated, 'We had clearly warned them' on several occasions, but they 'did not pay the necessary attention.' (Agence France-Presse, September 16, 2001.)

"SEPTEMBER 10, 2001: a group of top Pentagon officials received an urgent warning that prompted them to cancel their flight plans for the following morning. (Newsweek, September 17, 2001.) The 9/11 Commission Report omitted this report. (Griffin, May 22, 2005.)" (Pp. 268-270)

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Obama will be as bad, or worse Bush

Mark my words.

As we speak military units are training for crowd control and bomb disposal exercises for anticipated attacks and riots. They don't build FEMA camps to not use them. They don't bring in military if they don't plan to use them.

The Internet is currently under attack, we'll be lucky to have this a year from now. We're just one false-flag attack away before Harman's S-1959 gets passed and those of us that have been speaking out against our destruction will be rounded-up.

Those of you that want to keep believing that things will be okay and not as bad as many are predicting, go right ahead. But when the preverbal sh*t hits the fan don't say you weren't warned.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:23:59 PM

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Bust Bush, Cheney, and crew

I spent hours with Charlotte Dennett, Vermont candidate for Attorney General, and Vincent Bugliosi, of Charles Manson prosecution fame. Dennett’s campaign promise was to prosecute George W. Bush for murder if elected.

 

Dennett’s father is probably the top forgotten CIA agent [post], scroll down.

 

Any citizen can prosecute George W. Bush for murder if we had an effective grand jury system, and [this] Private Attorney General Bill legislation is passed.

 

Vincent Bugliosi gave me his book. I wish I would have had my camera rolling during lunch for the content of his conversation. [Post on Bugliosi with video]

 

Do you have any links for me and others to read some pages from your book?

by Steven G. Erickson (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 57 diaries, 218 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:40:05 PM

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Reply: My book

There are some excerpts from the book posted online in places such as at my blog: http://dennislool.blogspot.com, Buzzflash (which has I think three partial articles from the book by Dahr Jamail, Kevin Wehr, and myself), and Counterpunch. (You might do a keyword search "my book" "Loo" and see what comes up or else "Impeach the President" "Loo"). You can also go to the Amazon listing for the book to peek inside the book.

Best of all, you can either buy the book or borrow it from a library. If you buy it online, if you click on the link I gave within my essay for my book, you'll get to the Amazon site itself. 

by Dr. Dennis Loo (39 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 78 comments) on Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:06:27 PM

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"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history...." etc.

 

What no one seemed to notice... was the ever widening gap... between the

government and the people... And it became always wider... the whole

process of its coming into being, was above all diverting, it provided an

excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway... (it)

gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about... and kept us

so busy with continuous changes and 'crises' and so fascinated... by the

machinations of the 'national enemies,' without and within, that we had

no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by

little, all around us...

 

Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on

occasion, 'regretted,' that unless one understood what the whole thing

was in principle, what all these 'little measures'... must some day lead

to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his

field sees the corn growing... Each act... is worse than the last, but

only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one

great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes,

will join you in resisting somehow.

 

You don't want to act, or even talk, alone... you don't want to 'go out

of your way to make trouble... But the one great shocking occasion, when

tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the

difficulty. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the

houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the

cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you

made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed.

Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and

fear do not even know it themselves, when everyone is transformed, no one

is transformed... You have accepted things you would not have accepted

five years ago, a year ago, things your father... could never have

imagined.

 

Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago:

University of Chicago Press, 1955)

by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:41:43 PM

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SUCCESSION

 

“Insanity,” according to a famous definition, is a condition revealed by the habit of doing exactly the same thing repeatedly in earnest anticipation of a different result. American voters have been repeating an insane ritual for close to a hundred years now.

A closely related form of derangement is megalomania, a prominent symptom of which is an individual’s self-exalting belief that he is the divine exception that can make that different result occur.

Succession:

So what is the final order of the Cabal's choices for the puppet post of the US Presidency?


>Nixon (Paranoid); Frustrated by a surprise Kennedy win. Solution; Coup d'Etat.

>Johnson (Simple Gangster); Prearranged usurper to be guarded by close agentuers.

>Nixon (Paranoid); Finally in place, manipulated nicely (by Insider Kissinger) until his own paranoia leads him to trump elite planners.

>Jimmy Carter (Naïve Go Go Boy); Flanked by WNO Insiders.

>George Bush I (Top Hands-On Black Ops Agent); Frustrated by surprise Reagan choice at convention, Bush maneuvered in as VP. (Attempted solution; Assassination)

>Reagan (Grandfather); Weaves the myths whispered in his ears by others.

>George Bush I (Black Ops Agent); Finally in place to play out role in beginning direct frontal assault on Mid East. Openly calls for “Interdependence” & “New World Order”.

>Bill Clinton (Smooth Megalomaniac groomed by Cabal from youth): Ushers in NAFTA, as first phase of economic/corporatist NWO 'Regionalism Plan”; North American Union. A “Passion Play” TV show of “impeachment”, to exhaust the patience of the viewing audience, and turn “Impeachment” into an emotionally draining “Four Letter Word” in their subconscious; because the next choice would be the most impeachable President in the history of the country...

>George Bush II (Wrecking Ball, idiot prankster): Presides under VP during False Flag PsyOp of 9-11 in oder to begin the “Forever War”, and dismantle the remaining vestiges of the Constitution and economic wellbeing, creating the legal architecture for the complete Maximum Security State.

>Barrack Obama (Messianic Megalomaniac, groomed by the Cabal from early age): A master Neurolinguistic shaman, perfectly conditioned as the antithesis to the cretin he replaces. He will preside over the final desolution of the US introducing a larger USSA in the North American Union, priming the last phase; the emergence of the neo-fuedal New World Order.

 

 

 

 

 

by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:50:39 PM

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I wrote about this

many times. The people who promote torture, rendition, etc. under whatever scenarios are enemies of this country. It has to be stated loudly and explicitly. The  proper answer to the so-called ticking bomb scenario is to simply  say that Mr. Kristol and others should assume themselves to be apprehended under suspiciion and then the ' harsh interrogation' to be applied to them. I can assure it  will take  about 5 minutes for Mr. Kristol to confess to be Osama bin Ladin. When we  reject those methods we do not protect terrorists- we protect ourselves and  those who promote those methods are enemies of all people, us included.   Obama has his hands full. But the right and honorable  answer of the President of this country would be, 'Our country meets its obligation along the Geneva convention and US laws. Per that all the perpetrators of any form of torture  and  for whatever reason will be persecuted without mercy and  punished no matter who and what and where they are. Any citizen if he/she witnesses torture is to immediately report to the  judiciary   and disclose it  in full'

by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4101 comments [131 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:31:16 PM

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William Whitten

Your posting of the words from "they thought they were free" gave me chills as they did the first time I read them.

Your "succession" is even more chilling. (so well laid out) For it reminds us that "yes it can" happen here.  And yes it IS happening here.  Obama is the final thread in the quilt of deception thrown over the american people for decades. 

As to Mr Loo's article.  I believe with all my heart that Obama will indeed use any means necessary to continue to fight the bogus "war on terror".   He is the "one" the elites have been waiting for to finally suffocate any vestige  of freedom left in the country we used to know.  OR more succinctly, the country we THOUGHT we knew.

by jersey girl (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1201 comments [734 recommended, 12 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:49:13 PM

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Reply: Thank You

Thank's Jersey Girl,

I have been studying the adversary for a long time...since getting out of HS actually.

My Succession idea could be back-tracked farther in time. I think the proximate moment for modern political architecture would be 1913, and the puppet Wilson dancing to the hand Col. House, and with the rise of "scientific" propaganda ala Edward Bernays. It is he (Bernays) and Lippman that "spun" the US into a "democracy" as opposed to the republic established by the founders.

Always remember, Liberty is not an invention of revolution. Liberty is the discovery of enlightened reason.

by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:55:55 PM

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I think Obama will renounce it; not use it

Obama recognizes that torture gives the USA a reputation as being EVIL and turns the world against us.  He also understands that torture does not provide reliable information and that cases where torture is used will not admit any information gained under duress to be entered into evidence.

Obama is a pragmatist and so will denounce torture as essential to regaining America's moral standing in the world.

by Philip Pease (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 209 comments [11 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:44:48 AM

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Reply: I guess

we'll be finding out soon enough where Obama actually stands on a whole bunch of issues. So far, I have to agree with the others, I'm not too impressed with his chosen team. Same ole same ole. Translation: make more room for the secret government, the endless war on terror and more and HARP events.

by Nick van Nes (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 596 comments [150 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:13:59 PM

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Reply: Philip

Like he renounced fisa ? or the bailout? or bush's bogus "war on terror"?

 I don't think so.  But will keep my fingers crossed just the same.

by jersey girl (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1201 comments [734 recommended, 12 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:32:58 PM

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