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The Palin rally, which you may have seen on youtube and TV, was held at the Home Depot ADT Tennis Stadium. Because of the surprising popularity of Mrs. Palin and easy access to free tickets, all 20,000 stadium seats, plus an overflow area were filled. I got a handful of tickets, recruited my friend Rebecca Tobias, Program Director of the Raoul Wallenberg Institute of Ethics,
and trekked on out to Carson. We scored ground level seats in the stadium from which I watched, listened and steadily bristled. When I could no longer stomach Palin's lies and distortions, I jumped up, and at the top of my lungs, repeatedly called Palin a L-I-A-R! I was shouted down in Palinese by her 20,000 admirers, then escorted out by security. I took extra time as I climbed the steps from the ground up to the top just to keep her admirers shouting. The few minute reprieve from Palin's lies was to me a righteous diversion.
When I neared the top of the steps I turned back to Mrs. Palin and continued to call her a L-I-A-R, until I was ushered out the door. Thankfully my escorts showed me the utmost respect for they privately shared my feelings. They're working folk. They see through Mrs. Palin. But that's just the start of this story...
You see, I'd gone to this event for a reason. Not to see Sarah Palin. I already knew who she was. I went to see the Palinettes - the supporters of this unspectacular woman who had so readily been won over. I wanted to meet them and speak with them and understand their attachment to this lowest common denominator politician - a woman so unqualified for Vice President that her appointer running mate should be imprisoned for treason. As a patriot and voter, I disagree categorically with the choice of Sarah Palin. I seek knowledge, experience, maturity, integrity, charity, clarity, humanity, intellectual curiosity, and wisdom from the leaders I select. Since Palin, in my opinion, exhibits none of these traits, I wanted to assess her supporters' rationale (or rational-ity).
What I witnessed was thoroughly alarming!!
Among this raptured crowd of 20,000 was a frightening mix of Christian zealots, anti-abortion fanatics, and mostly white suburban women and men reconnecting with their high school mentality. Bright colored pom-poms were everywhere - as if Sarah Palin were head cheerleader, the women were on her squad, and the men were the football heroes. Sarah Palin, the quintessential 4ever-school-girl had revitalized their youth and saved them from adulthood. Check out the red pom-pom "hair" on the man behind Palin. If that isn't high school, what is??
Photo by Linda Milazzo
Want further proof of pom-pom Palin? Try this as an experiment. Put on an audio of a Sarah Palin speech. Close your eyes and listen. What you'll hear is the high pitched voice of a teenage girl, speaking in circular reasoning, incomplete sentences, and juvenile idioms. No sophistication. No leadership. No wisdom. Just the sound of a snarky school girl. Sarah Palin is America's greatest nightmare. Sarah Palin is George W. Bush in a dress!
Of course there are those who might say that my own outburst toward Sarah Palin was juvenile - to which I'd respond with a resounding NO! It's never juvenile to speak truth to ignorance. To say nothing would be derelict. Certainly, I'd be naive to think that calling Palin a L-I-A-R would make her adorers believe me. But to sit quietly while Palin accused Obama of being: "someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists [Bill Ayers] who would target their own country"
would make me complicit in the group-think that promotes a lie to a truth. I'd rather be thrown out for the truth than group-hugged for a lie.
While Palin's peevishness is appalling, it pales in comparison to the dangerous ideology that she and her followers share. By unleashing Sarah Palin, John McCain has reinvigorated the anti-choice/anti-woman/anti-reproductive rights fanatics, who not long ago were at the forefront of domestic terror. Interesting that Palin insinuates Obama when referring to: "terrorists who would target their own country"
when it's those who share her ideology who have committed heinous domestic crimes. Let us not forget the health-care workers who were murdered by anti-choice radicals who share Palin's no exceptions for abortion beliefs. Let us not forget the women and family clinics that were bombed. Let us not forget Eric Rudolph - the anti-abortion terrorist who killed two people and injured 100 others during the Atlanta Olympics in 1996. The same Eric Rudolph who bombed abortion clinics that killed even more people. The same Eric Rudolph who sadistically attacked a gay bar. Let us not forget that the Sarah Palin wing of anti-choice fanaticism victimized America for years, committing crime after heinous crime. What John McCain has unleashed on America with his choice of Sarah Palin is an outright invitation to these cults to wreak havoc all over again.
On Saturday I got a taste of this anti-choice fanaticism as Palin's zealots shouted "baby killers" at the pro-Obama activists outside. I saw it first hand with the anti-choice tirades looped again and again by one Palin follower after another. This is their mission - their single issue cause - and Sarah Palin has given it life. With the economy spiraling downward, the world at war, the planet over-heating, and continents dying from famine and disease, Sarah Palin's followers are driven by one issue only - the total end of abortion.
Yes, the silly Palin chatter of "she's one of us 'cause she talks like us and is a regular person" was also spun at Saturday's event. As was propaganda about Obama "getting paid undercover by some other country" and "doubt that Obama was really born in Hawaii because his birth certificate can't be found". Sadly this level of ignorance exists - even in Southern California. In fact, it was so illogically mind-boggling that I audio-taped it as proof.
The perilous stupidity that I witnessed on Saturday made me believe more than ever that under NO CIRCUMSTANCE can John McCain and Sarah Palin be elected. In fact, their election LOSS must be so severe that Sarah Palin can NEVER be resurrected for a future campaign. Furthermore, John McCain's blatant disregard for the safety and stability of this nation by choosing Sarah Palin should cost him his Arizona Senate seat and force him from office forever. He has dishonored his nation to such an extent that any reference to his heroism as a prisoner of war has been rendered permanently irrelevant.
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Drawing No Quarter on Palin!
Linda, This is a wonderful piece about an appalling candidate! In earnest, I agree with every observation you put forth that Palin is a benighted moron. She is more incurious and less gifted than GW Bush is, if that is possible. Pentecostal Church witch doctors, dinosaurs and man living together 6,000 years ago, Creationism, attempts to ban books, et al. unquestionably proves she is a fanatical, zealot idiot, unquestionably unfit to EVER lead any nation or hold an office of high public trust. We are in utter agreement about who Sarah Palin is as a person; she is stunningly uninformed and breathtakingly overconfident. Orwellian with an outward, Machiavellian patina is an apt description of Palin. However, her unconcealed, overt certitude is potentially the biggest problem of all. She has mastered the art of flowery platitudes and sneering contempt. All of which, to the low-information, Neanderthal voters you unfortunately witnessed first hand, combined with her tacky, sophomoric charm, actually makes her very attractive, in a very creepy kind of way, to a fringe fraction and faction of Americans – the visceral, not cerebral coterie that follows her with frightening credulity. Simply replace "Jew" with "liberal" and the uncanny paradigm resemblance is readily apparent. Stop her, we must! by Frank J. Ranelli (66 articles, 143 quicklinks, 29 diaries, 383 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:51:02 AM  (0+)
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Reply: An addendum to remember...
As HL Mencken said, “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." by Frank J. Ranelli (66 articles, 143 quicklinks, 29 diaries, 383 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:02:06 AM (0+)
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Reply: Thanks, Frank, for these comments -
You make great points - brilliantly expressed as usual. I really do appreciate your insight on Palin. You're spot on!!!! Much much thanks, Linda by Linda Milazzo (128 articles, 1 quicklinks, 18 diaries, 210 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:24:51 AM (0+)
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Reply: Accuracy is important
Well, Frank, while I cannot disagree with any of your eloquently written characterization of Sarah Palin (though I wouldn't go so far as to compare her with Hitler - Hitler was not only a figurehead, he had intelligence and he was not incurious about the world around himself), I think it's important to be accurate in regard to factual matters. Palin did not attempt to ban books. She asked the head librarian if she would be willing to remove books from shelves (in other words, ban them). Many in the community were opposed to certain books being on library shelves and perhaps Palin would indeed have requested their removal from library shelves had the librarian been willing. Indeed, upon getting a negative response to her request by the librarian, it appears that she made some effort, unsuccessfully, to have that woman removed from her position. So your point is no less salient if you are strictly factual. This may seem picky to you and, indeed, it is. But I would take it then as high praise nonetheless, that from all you said, only the most insignificant of detail can be criticized. by Terry (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 36 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:26:36 PM (0+)
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Reply: Pedantry and peccadilloes
I am glad your overall assessment (of my comment) is to your liking, but Palin, however you parse it, did make an attempt to ban books in Wasilla. Whether she was successful or not, rhetorical or not, neglects the fundamental issue. True, there are more nuances to the story – hard to expressive in a comment (a whole article would be needed to do so) – but it is the overarching ideology that drove her to even ask such a brazen, third rail question in the first place. We are quarrelling over petty semantics and I believe a distinction without a difference. by Frank J. Ranelli (66 articles, 143 quicklinks, 29 diaries, 383 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:45:01 AM (0+)
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And, at McCain's rally..........
"KILL HIM" someone in the crowd yelled, as McCain was asking what to do with Obama.................McCain displayed a bit of a reaction to that, but never "suspended" his talk to kick the person out of the rally.......which, in my opinion he should have done, or at least reprimanded the idiot. Obama would have done that if it were the other way around. by Linda Bailey (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 68 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:50:40 AM (0+)
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All of that is excellent but:
why neither of the commenters and neither the author make any attempt to specify WHO does Palin work for? It becomes more and more obvious that she was PUT there for a reason, that she is on the mission and that mission is so important that she is sometimes more important than McCaine. I said it many times: she was put there as liason person by the Council for National Policy to watch over diverting the federal money to the so- called 'faith- based' institutions. Now, if that is true why neither Obama nor people on this site mention that? You folks are great but I am the only person who knows how those people operate when the ARE in power. And I would advise you all the watch the ' V for Vendetta' by Mark Sashine (72 articles, 19 quicklinks, 269 diaries, 4101 comments [130 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:06:39 AM (0+)
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Reply: V
V for Vendetta is one of my favorite movies. Chilling similarities. by Anthony Wade (160 articles, 2 quicklinks, 44 diaries, 890 comments [19 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:05:04 AM (0+)
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Trained Rotweiller?
Sarah Palin scares me to death! She blithely rattles off rumor, innuendo and outright lies about her opposition and the crowd eats it up. They seem to honestly believe everything she says, and when she closes with that little wink, they go wild. Disgusting. It has been said of Gov. Palin that she is "W" in a dress. I find that a disservice to Mr Bush. He seems to be not the brightest bulb on the tree, but he still outshines Mrs P; not by much. But she is perkier. I have been pondering the actions of our current President for quite some time and I find that I simply cannot make up my mind; is he just inept and stupid, is he simply the trained puppy of the evil corporate minions. or is he an artful con-man playing a role in the big sting? I really can't decide. Is he so without reason that he believes the things he says? Or is he a master manipulator who surrounded himself with an experienced and proficient gang in order to perpetrate the greatest rip-off in world history? After watching Gov. Palin over the last few, very few, weeks, I know she is a master manipulator, and she actually believes the things she says, (has been told and/or confirmed by her handlers). Frightening. Her performance at the debate only goes to show how easily she is to train, handle, mold, and trot out to perform. She is a full course of Bush politics, with gravy. God forbid that she ever gets near the White House. And as a BTW, since when is flirting and winking proper conduct for a candidate running for high office. I find it not only not cute, but completely improper. I have a hard time believing that she has not been called on the carpet for it. But I guess it works, so what the hell. I don't know her personal history before entering politics, but I would bet that she has to have been a bar-maid at some point. You just don't master that kind of sauce in a committee meeting. by Kathy Stuart (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 39 comments [9 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:40:27 AM (0+)
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Reply: What's good for the goose
"since when is flirting and winking proper conduct for a candidate running for high office." It worked for Bill Clinton. Aren't we supposed to be equal here? by tim bristol (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 89 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:13:58 AM (0+)
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Screaming at 20,000 sycophants...?
I applaud Linda's activism, investigating a crowd with whom she disagrees to get another perspective, observe and learn. I also applaud her nerve in standing up and standing out to show people Palin has vigorous detractors outside of the GOP subterfuge. THIS SAID, I also believe this was an opportunity to share and spread the views of Palin supporters with the world at large. Max Blumenthal is an example of a blogger who attends right wing events and goes around interviewing and recording attendees to then post online. He suspends his disagreement during the interviews to get folks to talk openly and get a record of their views online and made available to all. One great example of this was at Rev. Hagee's 2007 CUFI Summit and it was so damaging to Hagee that he banned press the following year and hired an army of lawyers to try to force YouTube to remove the video! So as good as your efforts were on "getting the message out" this week, just think how much farther footage of these people speaking and revealing their motivations online would go. According to Rob: "...once you've shown you produce articles reliably, we can provide you with press credentials to cover events, to get into conferences for free... and that gives you special access to leaders and celebrities." Hearing Palin supporters speak and give the reasons she is qualified for the White House is pure gold, Linda, pure gold! Especially those wearing bozo wigs! by Gustav Wynn (77 articles, 65 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 421 comments [34 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:51:00 AM (0+)
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Reply: Do both
I think we need people doing both those things: interviewing/filming and infiltration/disruption. It would be best if the two functions were done exclusive of one another by two different groups. Or they should do it in waves: a group of 6 people could go together and at the beginning of the speech, 2 of them disrupt (like Linda's LIAR!), and the others keep filming. Two more in the middle, and then the last 2 stay until the end before they yell. by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:58:30 AM (0+)
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Reply: Gustav -
I have audio of Palin's supporters discussing their views of her. I will be posting it. I have to find the best way to post this audio. I've done it before with another application. This audio was recorded on my iphone using the "Recorder" app. I can send it in an email but the link is only active for 10 days. I usually use my ipod voice recorder for recordings but I tried out this new app. I'm investigating the "best quality" method to post it. As you have rightly presumed, it is educational and worth hearing. I promise I'll work on mounting it in a cogent article as soon as I can. Thanks, Linda by Linda Milazzo (128 articles, 1 quicklinks, 18 diaries, 210 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:09:35 PM (0+)
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Reply: Now that's what I'm talking about!
Holding the iPhone right up to a laptop to record it into an audio program should suffice, especially if you have a written transcription. These rallies are becoming circuses! by Gustav Wynn (77 articles, 65 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 421 comments [34 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:29:45 PM (0+)
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Brainwashed by Fox News
These people have no independent thoughts of their own. They can only repeat what they've heard on Fox News or Moby in the morning radio show. It's a waste of time trying to show them the light. They have no idea that dual-citizen traitors control our nation from behind the scenes. But SLOWLY the curtain is being lifted and the cockroaches are heading for the exits. by Roger Thomas (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 131 comments [10 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:06:58 AM (0+)
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Orange County, CA
It is interesting to note that Carson lies just a little ways north of Orange County, which is probably one of the most rabidly conservative areas in the entire country. I can see how it would be easy to pull in 20,000+ of the faithful. by Geek_Gal (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 8 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:37:21 PM (0+)
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Reply: The OC voter
Yes, but it's changing. Huntington Beach is my home town...I now live in the Pacific NW...so I check in on the OC Register frequently. You'd be surprised (I was surprised) at how many Obama supporters post online..I'd guess 2 to 1..on the political blogs. Very heartening. by camanokat (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 81 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:46:24 PM (0+)
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EXTRAORDINARY COUNTER INTELLIGENCE, LINDA! BRAVO!
I use the word "intelligence" very hesitatingly in any connection with Madame Mooseburger. After the R's bite the dust this year, as a poli sci wonk and as a journalist, and as lasty a sort of hit or miss historian of such things, I would like to try at least to find out a step by step chronology of how this "selection" actually came about. I think Reverend (and again, I also use that term very hesitatingly) Dobson and a few of his buddies brokered some kind of deal to exchange their support for getting her McCain's affirmation. All along I had dreaded the choice of Pawlenty of Minnesota or even Romney of Massachusetts, and after the pick was made, I wondered Who the Hell is She? Then emails from my 600 Obama Email Groups started flooding in, almost 10,000 over that weekend. I picked the best ones and slammed together 10 articles as compilation at my blog site on mybarackobama.com, and that was only about two hours of trying to pick the best ones.... Anyway, Linda: A brilliant piece which I am very glad to see on OpEdNews, and would like to have also seen on the Editorial Page in the LA Times or at least the Long Beach Telegram. I would think there have to be a paper or two in LaLaLand that would eat your piece up, speaking as an alternative editor 1000 miles away in Nuevo Mexico! I therefore am going to take some time this afternoon and send your article to the lists I am a member of in the battleground states, and I encourage other readers to do so also. Just be glad you didn't get arrested. I admire your courage and of course your intelligence! Stephen Fox, Contributing Editor New Mexico Sun News by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:10:57 PM (0+)
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And please stop calling MADAME MOOSEBRAINS a pitbull!
I own two pitbulls, and I resent the comparison between MADAME MOOSEBRAINS (or, if that is too cerebral to describe Sarah Palin: MADAME MOOSEBURGER) and my gentle compassionate intelligent friendsly servile canine companions, 2 real pit bulls, both of which I got off of Dog's Death Row, where they had both been condemned by a municipality as "vicious," who like more than anything to sleep 20 hours a day.... by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:18:29 PM (0+)
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Reply: Stephen, the link to my pitbull piece was bad.
I can't get the link in this comment. I don't know why. But if you go to my archive here or on the HuffPo, you'll find the article. Or just google it. It's called: "Meet Peach, My Loving PitBull - The Anti-Palin" http://www.opednews.com/articles/Meet-PEACH--My-Loving-Pi-by-Linda-Milazzo-080908-429.html If you're a pitbull guy, you'll fall in love with Peach!! by Linda Milazzo (128 articles, 1 quicklinks, 18 diaries, 210 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:53:05 PM (0+)
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Reply: link
Can you provide a complete linnk? Thanks! Each of my grown daughters has a pitbull...they are adorable! by camanokat (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 81 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:50:00 PM (0+)
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Reply: ALREADY READ IT...WASN'T JUST REFERRING TO YOUR ARTICLE
Those comparisons are all over now, and they are so unflattering to pitbulls! By the way, a few weeks ago I published at OEN a piece called Republicans Support Obama which included in its speech a complete and searing analysis by the son of the televangelist Frank Schaeffer on what a moral cess pool the GOP has become. A group had invited him to speak and they weren't expecting that at all. It is the most revealing and penetrating systematic analysis I have seen on that topic, by the son of one of the founders of the Religious Right. Brilliant! Read it, and truly, Linda, your piece is in the top 5 in my humble opinion of all of the mountains of articles being pumped out and floating around the internet.... Humbly, of course, I have to put one of mine up there too. It is called "OBAMA'S PRESIDENCY WILL GALVANIZE 30 MILLION IDEALISTS AND REFORMERS, plus A MEMORY OF PAUL NEWMAN AT THE UNITED NATIONS. by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:42:14 PM (0+)
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from Washington Post...
Enjoyed your perspective on Palin.... Here is another perspective... On the crowds who support her... Excerpt from Unleashed, Palin Makes a Pit Bull Look Tame ....."Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."...... Full article here... by Dan Leithauser (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 5 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:45:34 PM (0+)
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Great article Linda
Each character you typed is worth a million times its weight in gold!!!!!!!! GREAT stuff!!!!!!!!! by Steven Leser (255 articles, 58 quicklinks, 38 diaries, 2147 comments [63 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:09:52 PM (0+)
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Perspective from a Born-Again Christian
As a born-again Christian and a once attendee of an Assembly of God church I think my perspective might be useful. Right now I find many of the organized Christian churches in direct opposition to the teachings of Jesus. In particular,Jesus' teachings concerning war. I could never reconcile many churches stand against abortion, and yet at the same time their bloodthirst for war.I am definitely against abortion except in extreme , extenuating circumstances. Unlike many Christians, however, I abhor the war in Iraq or any war where the mass killing of innocent people occurs. Even before 9/11 the Assembly of God churches had a disturbing support of the US military (in my personal opinion). Didn't mesh with the teachings of Jesus. If you know your Bible you would know that Jesus blasted the religious institutions of the day. I think he would do the same today. Sarah Palin's views I believe have been largely molded by the religious institutions she attended. Like many people, she may be well intentioned, but she is sincerely wrong concerning the Iraq war and Jesus' teachings on war. I met many good people in the Assembly of God churches, but I also met many people of questionable character. Linda... I understand your anger somewhat, but you would have made your argument much more powerful if you quoted words from Jesus. The people in the crowd would have related to you better, and just would not have considered you only an obnoxious protestor. Confront them with the words of Jesus: For example: 1) Jesus called himself "The Prince of Piece" (not war) 2) Jesus said:" He who seeks to gain his life will lose it, but he who loses it for my sake will inherit everlasting life." (Jesus only healed people, he did not kill) 3) Jesus said : "Pray for your enemies" (he did not say bomb the crap out of them) 4) Jesus also warned that many people would be deceived in the last days and this is what Bush and company have done with the 9/11 lie. Many Christians bought into the 9/11 lie and they still do. by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 1094 comments [65 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:36:40 PM (0+)
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Reply: Question..
Would Jesus advocate the killing of unborn children? I am not "pro-choice" or "pro-life" as I don't think the state has any authority whatsoever, but would appreciate your take as a Christian who seems to know what Jesus thinks. I agree with you that war sucks, but a state-sanctioned war against helpless children seems like one of the worst. All life should be treasured. by Ferdinand (17 articles, 4 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 259 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:25:07 PM (0+)
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Reply: Ferdinand
You misinterpreted my writing, which I admit was written hastily. I hate abortion as much as I hate war. That was the point I was trying to make. Thanks for commenting. by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 1094 comments [65 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:49:27 AM (0+)
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Reply: Also
Also. to answer your question: I think it's a "no-brainer" that Jesus would oppose abortion as a form of birth control. Since we live in an imperfect world (more than ever today), Jesus would show understanding for difficult abortion cases, ie rape, etc. But like war.... always a last option. by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 1094 comments [65 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:54:38 AM (0+)
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Stupid
Palin IS stupid. Comparing her to GW Bush is totally ridiculous. Even the late Molly Ivins said that Bush is not stupid but is mean and nasty. Palin IS stupid. by frank69 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 39 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:33:04 PM (0+)
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Reply: Huh?
No, no, no... Bush is mean, nasty, and STUPID. I have very sincere doubts, even now, if he would be able to point out Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan on a map. And that's not a completely unfounded assumption. When the President of Brazil pointed out his country on a map, George W. Bush responded with: But that was an improvement over the first time he dealt with an official from Brazil: "Do you have blacks, too?" -- To Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001. Condi had to explain to him that Brazil has the largest number of people of African descent outside of Africa. Of course, that's better than when he showed pure, unadulterated idiocy when it was revealed that he thought slaves came to America to escape persecution like the Puritans: "It's very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here to go to America, because of their steadfast and their religion and their belief in freedom, helped change America." -- Dakar, Senegal, July 8, 2003. Here are a few more pearls of wisdom from our scholarly "Decider": --"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program."—Debate in St. Charles, Mo., Nov. 2, 2000 --"It's very important for folks to understand that when there's more trade, there's more commerce."--Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001 --"Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment."—Interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001 --"The California crunch really is the result of not enough power-generating plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating plants."—Interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001 --"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."—Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000 --"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." --Reuters, May 5, 2000 --"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" -Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000 --"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question."— Reynoldsburg, Ohio, Oct. 4, 2000 --"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."—Austin, Texas, Dec. 20, 2000 --"I think -- tide turning -- see, as I remember -- I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of -- it's easy to see a tide turn -- did I say those words?" --George W. Bush, asked if the tide was turning in Iraq, Washington, D.C., --Bush: "Peter. Are you going to ask that question with shades on?" --"People don't need to worry about security. This deal wouldn't go forward if we were concerned about the security for the United States of America." --George W. Bush, on the deal to hand over U.S. port security to a company operated by the United Arab Emirates, Washington, D.C., Feb. 23, 2006 --"I think we are welcomed. But it was not a peaceful welcome." --George W. Bush, defending Vice President Dick Cheney's pre-war assertion that the United States would be welcomed in Iraq as liberators, NBC Nightly News interview, Dec. 12, 2005 --"I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend." --George W. Bush, on visiting Denmark, Washington D.C., June 29, 2005 --"I can only speak to myself." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 --"We look forward to analyzing and working with legislation that will make -- it would hope -- put a free press's mind at ease that you're not being denied information you shouldn't see." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 14, 2005 "Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red." -- George W. Bush, explaining his plan to save Social Security, Tampa, Fla., Feb. 4, 2005 --"Because he's hiding." --George W. Bush, responding to a reporter who asked why Osama bin Laden had not been caught, aboard Air Force One, Jan. 14, 2005 --"Who could have possibly envisioned an erection -- an election in Iraq at this point in history?" --George W. Bush, at the white House, Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2005 --"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - George W. Bush, August 5, 2004 --"And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it."— Speaking on National Public Radio, Jan. 29, 2007 --"This business about graceful exit just simply has no realism to it at all."—responding to speculation that American forces could be called back from Iraq, Amman, Jordan, Nov. 30, 2006 --"The goals of this country is to enhance prosperity and peace."—Speaking at the White House Conference on Global Literacy, New York, Sept. 18, 2006 -- Make America what we want it to be — a literate country and a hopefuller country. —Washington, D.C., Jan. 11, 2001 --'This is Preservation Month. I appreciate preservation. It's what you do when you run for president. You gotta preserve.' - Speaking during 'PERSEVERENCE Month' at Fairgrounds Elementary School in Nashua, N.H. As quoted in the Los Angeles Times, Jan. 28, 2000 -- "We dealt with a recession, a terrorist attack and corporate scandals. And we did it by cutting taxes." --"I fully understand those who say you can't win this thing militarily. That's exactly what the United States military says, that you can't win this military."—on the need for political progress in Iraq, Washington, D.C., Oct. 17, 2007 -- "More than two decades later, it is hard to imagine the Revolutionary War coming out any other way."—Martinsburg, W. Va., July 4, 2007 --"The question is, who ought to make that decision? The Congress or the commanders? And as you know, my position is clear—I'm a commander guy."—Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007 Click here to see video of Bush's comments. The Bushism is at 53:41. -- "I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein."—Washington, D.C., May 25, 2004 --"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004 --"The ambassador and the general were briefing me on the—the vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will find these people and we will bring them to justice."—Washington, D.C., Oct. 27, 2003 --"I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves."—Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003 --"When Iraq is liberated, you will be treated, tried, and persecuted as a war criminal."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 22, 2003 --"I suspect that had my dad not been president, he'd be asking the same questions: How'd your meeting go with so-and-so? … How did you feel when you stood up in front of the people for the State of the Union Address—state of the budget address, whatever you call it."—Interview with the Washington Post, March 9, 2001 --"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." --"I would have to ask the questioner. I haven't had a chance to ask the questioners the question they've been questioning." -- Austin, Texas, Jan. 8, 2001 --"Drug therapies are replacing a lot of medicines as we used to know it." --I hope you leave here and walk out and say, 'What did he say?' --- George W. Bush, Beaverton, Oregon, August 13, 2004 --I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace. --- George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002 --We need an energy bill that encourages consumption. --- George W. Bush, Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002 --We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates. --- George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. Oct. 4, 2001 by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments [10 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:37:02 AM (0+)
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great article
Great minds think alike. My article today calls McCain a traitor. But I did mine in the comfort of my home. You, the intrepid journalist you are, faced the wild, wooly world of right wing madness and zealotry with courage! You're an inspiration to us all. After reading this, I feel like doing something similar-- climbing down into a sewer, going to a prison to view psychopaths... actually, I did that once. Gave a talk to psychologists at a prison and while I was there, got a tour and saw a guy, Gary M. Heidnik, who lured retarded women to his home where he chained them up in the basement and repeatedly raped them until he cooked and ate them (no joke.) Now HE was a terrifying creature, sorta like the cretins you observed. He's one reason why I don't oppose the death penalty. He died by lethal injection in 1999-- and deserved it. by Rob Kall (952 articles, 4177 quicklinks, 374 diaries, 2087 comments [45 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:38:23 PM (0+)
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Reply: Thank you my friend --
And thank you for ending any thoughts about dinner. For some silly reason, your description of Mr. Crazy took my appetite away. L by Linda Milazzo (128 articles, 1 quicklinks, 18 diaries, 210 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:32:12 PM (0+)
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Reply: Ugh...
Good Lord Rob. Can't believe you brought up Gary Heidnik. I was in college when that maniac was discovered. Scared the living hell out of me. Years later I did some work with the former boyfriend/fiance of one of the victims - it literally destroyed his life knowing what happened to her. I think you should write, if you haven't already, about what you learned from interacting with psychologists in a prison. Fascinating. Anyway....thanks for sharing your story Linda, have been eagerly waiting. McCain/Palin should get no peace wherever go since they insist on pushing the opposite. Love ya! by Cheryl Biren-Wright (30 articles, 41 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 485 comments [7 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:45:41 PM (0+)
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Important aspect missing
What's missing from your account, Linda, is this. (pertinent portion, especially in terms of the abortion issue, begins @ 1:20) by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:57:14 PM (0+)
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Unfortunately
As intelligent as all of you appear to be I simply will never understand the support for Obama since voting for either candidate is an absurd way of supporting a system of indentured servitude, war, hegemony and Dynasty designed to perpetuate protection of the very rich. Both candidates are supported by the same interests and in a two-party system there are NO choices. by jeff prager (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 188 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:59:59 PM (0+)
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There was nothing spectacular about this thread
This article was one of the most insulting, ill-informed putrid pieces of dreck that I have run across on the web for quite some time - and there has been a whole lot of dreck that has been scooped up recently. Sarah Palin is not an idiot, she is not a moron, she is not some devious Hitleresque theocrat. And the most disgusting smear was the attempt to link the entire pro-life movement with domestic terrorist Eric Rudolph. You know fully well that 99% of pro-lifers condemned these abortion clinic bombings. This is like trying to say everybody who is against the Iraq War has hooked up with that protest sign that read "We support the troops when they shoot their officers". Just as clumsy, and just as dishonest. These huge crowds realize the following: Sarh Palin is the real deal. This coming November may not be her time (as the polls seem to indicate), and I do think the lack-of-experience argument has some merit, but I look ahead to 2012 or 2016. Sarah Palin's future is bright. by Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 744 comments [30 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:09:16 PM (0+)
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Reply: So very funny
It's almost amusing (though really pretty sad) when defenders of Palin talk about "character assasination" when the whole Palin rally was nothing more than an entire speech of character assasination. Palin is PATHETIC. Her defenders are pathetic. And NO, I'm afraid that 95% of Abortion opponents have NOT spoken out against domestic anti-abortion terrorism, or even indicated that they do NOT believe that "the ends justify the means." by Charlie L (2 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 747 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:15:58 AM (0+)
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Reply: Ms. Palin's Reputation?
I dare say that Sarah Palin could receive no greater gift than the destruction of her reputation. The reputation she enjoys at present is that of a noisy pedestal supporting an ambition as big as Alaska's great outdoors. by John Sanchez Jr. (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 25 diaries, 1791 comments [148 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:38:12 AM (0+)
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Reply: Mr. Sanchez:
Right on. Very well said! by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:41:20 PM (0+)
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Great Article!
Thanks for bringing more truth on Palin. by Sharon Roach (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 184 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:11:11 PM (0+)
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good work!
really interesting article, linda! how many of us stop to actually listen to those on the "other side" of the fence? enlightening, if disturbing. by Joan Brunwasser (206 articles, 3757 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 751 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:01:17 AM (0+)
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ALABAMA EDITORIAL ABOUT DEBATE SAYS IT ALL FOR ME:
The paper in Birmingham Alabama, almost as Deep as you can go into the Deep South, had this to say, and to me this says it all: "It's not a pretty sight, as a man who not so long ago commanded genuine bipartisan respect - in 2004, Democratic Presidential nominee John Kerry tried to recruit McCain as his running mate on a "unity" ticket against Bush-Cheney - descends inexorably into a Rovian cesspool of fear-mongering, race-baiting and character assassination." by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:36:51 AM (0+)
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EMAIL FORWARD THIS ARTICLE TO ALL IN BATTLEGROUND STATES!
I SENT THIS OUT TO 50,000 OBAMA SUPPORTERS THROUGH MBO.COM, AND ANTOHER 50,000 THROUGH MY OWN GROUPS BY URL. THIS IS THE URL: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stephenfox/gGg7kk I SENT IT TO THE LT. GOVERNOR OF NM AND TO JOE BIDEN'S PRESS SECRETARY AND TO THE NATIONAL EDITOR OF ATLANTIC MONTHLY, JUST SO YOU KNOW. This is an amazing story by a very courageous woman and what happened when she went to a Palin rally (the one where she started the BS about Obama and Ayers) and shouted in a stadium: "LIAR"! It reveals so much about Palin's shallowness and her veiled racism that when distributed widely in borderline states, I think it could help us win all 13 of them! Please take some time and make sure everyone you know gets a copy of this and prints it out for 5 neighbors! 26 days left! THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TIME FOR. CAN YOU, THE READER, PICK UP THE SLACK AND PUT AN HOUR INTO SENDING THIS TO MISSOURI, MISSISSIPPI, INDIANA, WEST VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA, NORTH CAROLINA, ALASKA, MONTANA, NEBRASKA, AND MISSISSIPPI, ALL STATES I BELIEVE TO BE WITHIN OUR GRASP? There are another 400,000 people who need to get this within the next 24 hours! All of this is available by going to Obama's campaign website... by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:13:57 PM (0+)
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Reply: re: email forward.....
I like the comment you got at MBO:
by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:37:30 PM (0+)
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Oh, no you don't, Charlie
"I'm afraid that 95% of abortion opponents did not speak out against the murders and bombings..." This is an utter, bald-faced lie. And everybody with a any semblance of brain matter knows it's a lie. Heck, even that wingnut Randall Terry condemned these bombings and killings, although his condemnation was, admittedly, pretty tepid. All of the pro-life organizations and spokespeople I ever read roundly condemned these actions. This attempt to paint the pro-lifers and Palin supporters as clinic bomber wannabees has about as much credibility as Michael Moore being a Jenny Craig spokesman. As for the internet drones trying to destroy Palin's reputation: The only destruction they will wreak is on their own. The PDS Borg will not assimilate Americans. Resistance will be successful. by Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 744 comments [30 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:52:06 PM (0+)
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Palin Not A Pro-Lifer!
by Jeanette Mas (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Thursday, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:49:42 AM (0+)
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This is already the 27th most emailed article for this year!
and how long has it been up? 2 days? I think it is not at all hysterical. I posted it at mybarackobama.com, and I continue to commend the author for her integrity and bravery, out there in the smog; to do something as fearless and as focused would be beyond almost all of us, especially those who fancy themselves to be wise and sagacious arm chair pundits. Even the people escorting her out agreed that Palin was lying. Milazzo's actions were very Gandhian, in their core motivation, and like Raoul Wallenberg, whom she mentioned indirectly in the article. Rent the movie GOOD EVENING MR. WALLENBERG, and then you could understand what this article and her actions were all about.... The author's actions were a form of civil disobedience, which many will consider rude, of course, and others would find hysterical. For Palin to say NOTHING to stop others in that audience from saying "Traitor" or "Kill Him": Linda's actions were appropriate entirely, in that hostile and deranged climate fostered and rapidly whipped up by the Governor of Alaska. That is not at all "reaching across the aisle"! by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:09:49 AM (0+)
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Reply: re: most emailed
I assume by all this holier-than-thou carrying on that you somehow think that someone throwing verbal bombs into a jubilant Obama crowd would be met with polite deference and graceful respect. If you believe that, you're delusional. If you're not delusional and are aware that this person would be savaged every bit as much if not more than supposedly was Linda, you're a hypocrite. by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Thursday, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:34:47 AM (0+)
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Reply: say What?
What do you really mean? by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:45:08 AM (0+)
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Reply: re: say What?
Exactly what I said. What part don't you understand? by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Thursday, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:42:30 PM (0+)
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