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July 8, 2008 at 09:47:55

Why is NATO in Afghanistan?

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I know nobody is asking about Afghanistan except for me. Cripes! Nobody ever asked about Iraq either.

But I have wondered for some time now, on what legal grounds, according to their charter and the NATO treaty, is NATO deploying an army in Afghanistan?

You can read NATO’s charter at: http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm

I did. And I am still left wondering by which provision of the NATO treaty they are maintaining an offensive/occupying fighting force in Afghanistan?

At first the answer seems simple because Bush/GOP invaded the country for what appeared at the time to be legitimate reasons. Since then, Bush’s legitimacy in Afghanistan, and elsewhere, has come, or should have come, under serious question.

As I recall, the specific reason that Bush/GOP invaded Afghanistan, unilaterally w/o NATO or the United Nations, was to capture and/or bring Osama Bin laden to justice.

Bush didn’t accuse the Taliban, the political leadership of Afghanistan, of any offensive attack or involvement in 9/11, and indeed, it is now clear that they were ignorant of any such crime.

But they were accused of harboring Bin laden when, it is further alleged, it was in their power to turn him over. I’m not so sure that it was in their power to order Osama to surrender, or to go get him. Like Afghanistan’s war-lords, whom we have known so well for several decades, and who remain a huge military force in the country, Bin laden and Alqaeda were/are quite a fierce independent entity unto themselves. Was the Taliban leadership expected to start another civil war in their own country to satisfy Bush’s, now we know, whimsical desire to get Bin laden? That’s asking a little much isn’t it?

I am suspicious whether the Afghanistan government was harboring Osama at all. If the Taliban government was aiding and abetting Bin laden why wouldn’t he have been in Kabul, the center of politics, communications, the military and government, where he would have their utmost protection plus a far greater logistical ability to carry on his war against the West?

If Alqaeda was a military arm of the Taliban, as has often been implied and assumed by Western media and government, and the Taliban-Alqaeda were making war on NATO member states, why wouldn’t Alqaeda be where the Taliban were, with all of their infrastructure, technology and warriors?

Why were they living like animals in caves in some of the remotest most inhospitable mountains on Earth?

Bush (and then NATO) evidently never entertained these questions which, if the accusations proved true, would have given credence to their legal case for the invasion to remove the Taliban government.

There was never any evidence, and is still no evidence, whatsoever that the Taliban leadership ever made any offensive move or threat to any NATO member state. They simply had a wanted fugitive hiding in the remote mountains of their country…..a Saudi Arabian who had more or less forced himself on the Taliban and Afghanistan some years before. And yet there is no proof he was even there at all by October 2001. In fact he’d be kinda stupid to stay there when he had ample warning the Americans were coming. Accused of many things, no one, including Bush, ever accused Osama of being stupid.

As I further recall, the Taliban leadership, who had a strange relationship with Osama to begin with, told Bush that if the USA delivered evidence of Bin laden’s alleged involvement in the 9/11 attack they would turn him over.

They were probably, though not certainly, lying. But we will never know for sure.

Because instead of providing the evidence, which Bush/GOP/Media repeatedly publicly proclaimed he had, (he never showed us either), Bush went ahead with his plans. Delivering the evidence would have forced the Taliban onto the world stage, where their defiance of the law, and alliance with Osama, would have been clear. And thus the justification and international will for invasion would have been secured.

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The Taliban asked to see the evidence against bin Laden.

IIRC the Taliban offered to turn bin Laden over to a neutral third country, if the U.S. would provide evidence of his involvement with 911. And of course the U.S. has no such evidence, so no evidence was forthcoming.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 446 comments) on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 at 10:42:46 AM
 


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It's the few

"Coalition of the Willing", to still be hoodwinked into Bu$h & Co's War of Terror campaign.

The heroin trade re-resurgence is one of many reasons the west still has a strategic need for Afghanistan. This is one of many ways the CIA and other governmental agencies generate income while following the trail drug trades generate.

Through its territory must run the pipelines needed to carry Central-Asian crude to western ports, via Pakistan. 

It is the vital link between the ME and China which must have its interests kept in check by the bungling antics of the Bu$h cabal.

NATO did not anticipate the guise on which it operates to be sacrificed for chicken-hawk convicted substance abusers War Criminal antics like Dybua and Buckshot Dick have caused.

by Stanimal (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 429 comments) on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 at 1:15:55 PM
 


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Kevin SysynI am an atheist socialist+- heterosexual feminist liberal father musician man.

Coalition of the willing

I am reminded of the first "coalition of the willing" that never materialized and was an American disaster.

It was Bush Sr.'s "humanitarian mission" to Somalia, Black Hawk Down, where dead Americans were dragged through the streets. He initiated the USA's intrusion there, a few weeks after he was dis-elected and disgraced.

He alleged that a huge coalition of the willing were going to join the USA in Somalia, but there never was such a coalition. It was a lie.

Bill Clinton and America had Somalia hung around their neck the day he took office. And they wound up getting some Americans killed when the American military failed badly, trying to make some rational sense out of the mission the lame-duck evil SOB Bush Sr sent them on.

Just like his son's two wars, it was never clear what the mission was in Somalia or how it was to be achieved and a lot of shady lies and alterior motives were apparent. And Americans died for an unclear cause and reason; and it cost the American taxpayers a fortune besides.

I firmly believe it was pure vindictiveness. Bush Sr never went on a humanitarin mission in his life. Daddy Bush got his revenge on the American people and Bill Clinton for riding him out of the White House. The Bush's are very very evil people. They deserve no honor and status in American history.

 

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by Kevin Sysyn (12 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 16 comments) on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 at 5:47:00 PM
 


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NATO

NATO is a terrorist organization used by the western imperialists.

by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 698 comments) on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 at 5:37:48 PM
 


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I see a long string of offense to peace

Somalia is mentioned. That crisis was handed off to Clinton by the first President Bush. And the second President Bush will hand it over to the next president. In the same way, Afghanistan has been a target for Russian/American adventures for years.

How we call umbrella organizations, such as NATO, is only a tactic to realign old imperial boundaries. It's hard to say how member nations of such a group will react. For example, Canada at one time was thinking of pulling out of Afghanistan. Is that a sign of less involvement in NATO?

"North Atlantic," as a wider involvement in divvying up the riches of underdeveloped nations for the use by developed ones, needs a new description. GRAP might be a good title: Global Reach Against People.

by Margaret Bassett (21 articles, 1346 quicklinks, 28 diaries, 805 comments) on Wednesday, July 9, 2008 at 12:19:06 PM
 

 

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