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FYI, the lawsuit challenging Obama's win on constitutional grounds--because he's evidently failed to come up with a copy of his birth certificate--is on the docket for consideration by the Supreme Court tomorrow, Dec. 5.

This suit was rejected quite some time ago by Justice Souter, but was then accepted by Clarence Thomas.

Now, SCOTUS may choose not to deal with it. That would seem to be the reasonable thing to do, all things considered. On the other hand, they may decide to take it up.

That decision would be grave indeed; and yet the deeper problem is the very fact that SCOTUS has laid claim to the prerogative to nullify the choice of the electorate. As Paul Lehto* has argued (in his essay in Loser Take All), it was Bush v. Gore whereby the Court proclaimed its right to settle our elections for us, our electoral decision notwithstanding.

So, whatever happens--or if nothing happens--there is still cause for profound concern (assuming that we really care about democracy). And even if the Court were not a rogue outfit, hijacked by theocratic partisans, we'd still have plenty of good reason to demand some radical reform of our election system, even if you're thoroughly delighted with the (temporary?) outcome on Nov. 4.

MCM
 
*Paul Lehto's blog on this whole thing:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7951296
 
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Philip Berg

A bright guy, what's his ulterior motive?

by Munich (1 articles, 86 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 1125 comments [86 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Thursday, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:51:19 PM

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WE ARE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS YET

MARK HERE'S ANS ARTICLE I CAME A CROSSED ABOUT OBAMS ;S BIRTH RITE AS A US CITIZEN, SEE WHAT YOU THINK, THIS IS A HARD ONE   http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

by MARGARET BASET (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 345 comments [45 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:19:48 AM

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How's this for a diabolical scheme ...

... setting-up Obama to be taken down, and throwing the nation into total chaos. If indeed USSC says Obama's presidency is illegal and removes him riots would naturally insure and most likely trigger a free-fall depression (which is coming anyway).

What would be the repercussions could be any one's guess, McCain becomes president? New election, as Bush & Cheney remain for another year? An amendment allowing those not naturally born to become president and making it retroactive?

A ruling such as the latter would open-up the door for Schwarzenegger to run.

Whatever, if this comes to pass than Obama was set-up, or may be a willing participant, in a plot to undermine yet once more this country by forces that rule beyond any boarders.

When you world is nothing but a chessboard for a few elites they can play the game in any fashion, change any rules, and rig it so they always come out on top as we the people become the sacrificial pawns. Some of us pawns know what's happening, many others are simply sacrificial dupes.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Friday, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:01:33 AM

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Reply: typo -

"When our world ..."

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Friday, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:03:42 AM

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This "issue" mainly illustrates the paranoia of Democrats.

There is zero chance of the Court challenging Obama's election. This is not because the Court is particularly virtuous -- which of course it's not -- but because it's very interested in maintaining the stability of the social order.

The saying goes, "Supreme Court justices read the newspapers, too" -- just like everyone else. They are fully aware that the population's willingness to be ruled by the federal government requires at least the appearance of a certain degree of pseudo-democracy. It doesn't have to be genuine democracy, but it has to at least look vaguely like it -- enough to fool most of the population. If the Court actually tried to void the Nov 4 election on the basis of a minor technicality, even the stuporous, docile American population wouldn't stand for it. Riots would ensue.

The Court is far more interested in avoiding mass insurrections, than they are in stealing elections for Republicans, & in cheating Democrats. Therefore, they will completely ignore this silly non-issue.

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1552 comments [255 recommended, 5 rejected]) on Friday, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:43:07 AM

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Maybe they're actually doing their job...

It's the SCOTUS's job to dispassionately interpret the Constitution, period. If we are serious about the Rule of Law, then we should abide by it, and not by mob rule or popularity contests.

 I voted for Obama, and would be terribly disappointed if his election were invalidated. But, I'm rather taken aback by Prof. Miller's position that the person he wants to be president should be president whether his election was legal or illegal.

 Intellectually, this is just as irresponsible as stopping a recount.....

by Mystic Wizard (4 articles, 286 quicklinks, 64 diaries, 201 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:13:46 PM

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This was posted on another OEN article by rx sid

Don't let emotions get in the way of the Constitution.

A) Hawaiian law, at the time of Obama's birth, allowed for <b>FOREIGN</b> born baby's to be registered in Hawaii via a 'Certificate of Live Birth':
"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State..."

click here

B) The Hawaiian govt' officials <b>NEVER</b> stated that Obama was born in Hawaii. They only stated that they have seen his birth certificate on file. But a B.C. from where?? (see #1 above).

On October 31, 2008, Dr Chiyome Fukino, Department of Health:
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

For the Hawaiian 'Policies and Procedures' she refereed to...see item #1 above which, again, affords foreign born babies to obtain a Hawaiian COLB.
Legally, the Hawaiian Govenor & the Dpt of Health official mearly stated fact based on their own laws. One can obviously see that a Kenyan B.C. from 1961 would be legal and valid per Hawaiian law. This would also allow Obama to obtain a U.S. Passport.

by rx sid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Saturday, December 6, 2008 at 3:36:06 PM
 


Programmer, interested in the Constitution and politics.
rx sidProgrammer, interested in the Constitution and politics.

Part II

C) Examples of Hawaiian Long Form COLB's:  
1963 Hawaiian Long Form COLB
1962 Hawaiian Long Form COLB

Take a close look at box 7C for baby's place of birth.  The title is:  "County and State or Foreign Country"  Proof that back in the 1960's, Hawaii allowed for Foreign born baby's to register and obtain a Hawaiian COLB...even a LONG form.

D) If proven Obama is indeed foreign born (Kenya), He would NOT have received U.S. citizenship based, only, on his mother's citizenship status. Per U.S. law at the time of his birth (December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986).  
"If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

Obama's mother didn't give birth to him at 21 (16 + 5).  Therefore, Obama could not obtain U.S. citizenship based only by virtue his mother's citizenship.

by rx sid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Saturday, December 6, 2008 at 3:40:39 PM
 


Programmer, interested in the Constitution and politics.
rx sidProgrammer, interested in the Constitution and politics.

Part III - Lastly

E) And then there is the dual citizenship issue.  Factcheck themselves state that Obama was indeed a British subject and did in fact hold dual citizenship AT Birth.

"In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen ... and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC)"

So even IF he was indeed born in Hawaii (would be easy for him to prove but hasn't so far), Obama could therefore not be a Natural Born citizen because Natural Born citizens can not hold dual citizenship at birth.  It has to do with the potential for divided loyalties and the very reason the
writers of the Constituion allowed for their acception (grandfather in) because all of them were British Subjects at birth.

He might be a "Naturalized" Citizen, but there is nothing (to date) in the public sector to suggest he is a 'Natural Born" Citizen, the Constitution clearly requires for one to become POTUS.


F) Without question, the Secretary of State of New Jersey (& possibly other SoS's) did <b>NOT</b> do their job in making sure the presidential candidates (including Obama) were qualified and eligible to be on their states' ballot.  [This is, in part, the subject of Leo Donofrio's lawsuit.]

Why?

How would the SoS from NJ explain that Roger Calero was on their ballet as a candidate?

Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero isn’t even a U.S. citizen (Naturalized OR Natural Born), yet appeared on NJ’s presidential ballot.

Calero was also allowed on the state ballot in: Delaware, Minnesota, New York and Vermont.

Calero is a permanent resident alien (holding a green card).

by rx sid (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Saturday, December 6, 2008 at 3:42:32 PM
 

by Mystic Wizard (4 articles, 286 quicklinks, 64 diaries, 201 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:41:05 PM

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Get Informed

 

Get more info so you can make an informed choice.  Hundreds of Birth Certificate stories for and against Obama at this link.  Most are asking him to show the certificate, some defend what has been show.

 http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/birthcertificate/index

by Mr Stq (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 37 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:08:54 PM

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Again

besides naturalization, which would eliminate Obama from the out set,

There are two ways in which a baby is considered and American.

Jus soli-or of the soil. Means the infant was born on American soil. Thus the lament of so many on the right about illegal  immigrants having children receiving benefits...

Jus sanguine-or of the blood. Born anywhere in the world to an American citizen. All they need to do is to find his mother's birth certificate. 

This is total rubbish, a childish wish, total whimsy. 

by Jack Harrington (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 676 comments [70 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:34:13 PM

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