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Like they did for the Iraq War, the corporate media has grossly under-represented this week's U.S. peace protests against Israel's assault on Gaza. A Dec. 31st Associated Press story on the protests reported that "hundreds" of people had participated in "pro-Palestinian protests" on Tues., Dec. 30th, and made it seem as if these protests had only occurred in five cities: N.Y.C, L.A., Tampa and Fort Lauderdale, and Dearborn, Michigan. Now, having attended two different, overlapping protests in L.A. that day, I know that there were already many "hundreds" of anti-war protesters demonstrating in L.A. alone, and probably a couple of thousand (in L.A. alone). I also know that anti-war protests and peace vigils were called in cities from east to west and from north to south, and not just in the Continental U.S., either. That AP article did not even mention the protest in Washington, D.C., which one would think would be the most obvious location to report. (The ANSWER Coalition, which was one of the initiating organizations behind the National Day of Action on Dec. 30th, estimates there were 5,000 protesters in D.C. on Tues., and "tens of thousands" nation-wide.) Here is a list of cities the AP managed to leave out of its coverage. According to ANSWER and the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, they all announced specific protests or vigils for Dec. 30th: Chicago, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Boston, Atlanta, Sioux Falls, SD, Knoxville, TN, Norfolk, VA, Louisville, KY, Cedar Rapids, IA, Portland, OR, Dallas, Houston, Albuquerque, Phoenix, Tucson, Seattle, Ann Arbor, St. Paul-Minneapolis, Denver, Colorado Springs, as well as Flint and Kalamazoo, MI, Concord and Portsmouth, NH, Burlington and Montpelier, VT, Youngston, OH, Ocala, FL, and New Brunswick, NJ. In California, the AP ignored San Francisco, Sacramento, San Diego, San Jose, Sonoma, Modesto, San Mateo, Santa Rosa. In New York, they overlooked Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, and Ithaca. In Washington, they forgot Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, and Bellingham. 
Protest against attack on Gaza by sweejak on flickr.com
And even Anchorage, Alaska, Honolulu, Hawaii, and Kailua, where President-elect Obama is vacationing, demonstrated their dissent. (The small protest outside Obama's compound was noted here and here.
Respected activist Col. Ann Wright was present. According to Politico, Obama did not bother to look at the protesters as he drove past.)
And protests were also called on other days this week, despite the distraction of the holidays, in at least 19 American cities. The most diligent seem to be St. Louis, MO, and Houston, TX which have called protests daily so far since Dec. 28th. See Protesters in Westwood (Los Angeles) Dec. 30th photos.
In L.A., I talked to protesters in front of the Federal Building in Westwood on Tues. That protest had been called by L.A. Jews for Peace. Jeff Warner, the action co-ordinator for L.A. Jews for Peace, declared "we think that this is a massacre", and lamented that the assault on Gaza "doesn't bring the parties closer". L.A. Jews for Peace calls for "an end of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands, and equal rights for all citizens of Israel," and supports "a negotiated settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that adheres to International Law and applicable U.N. Resolutions." Warner wrote the group's statement on the crisis, calling it "appalling", "an unbelievable humanitarian catastrophe" since, after weeks of a blockade which kept most food and medicine out of Gaza, "now all medical facilities have been completely overwhelmed by this onslaught."
Warner insisted: "The siege has to end. If that ends, the rockets will stop, and the parties can talk." The group also wants Obama "to withdraw American military forces from the Middle East" since the presence of the U.S. there is "a barrier to peace." The group calls on Obama to "make clear that as President he will quickly assert US leadership to achieve a comprehensive diplomatic resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian and Arab-Israeli conflicts." While L.A. Jews for Peace condemns the Hamas rockets and "deplores all loss of life and human suffering on both sides," they believe Israel's "massive response represents a huge escalation of the conflict that may lead to a wider war." Moreover, "the cycle of violence, which is spiraling out of control, runs counter to Israeli and Palestinian security" and "breeds anti-American terrorism." See Mike Farrell in L.A. Jews for Peace protest vigil photos.
Also at the Westwood protest was well-known actor Mike Farrell (M*A*S*H), standing among the protesters who were holding up anti-war placards for the passing motorists along busy Wilshire Boulevard. A dedicated progressive activist, Farrell told me that he had already been strongly opposed to the siege of Gaza, which he called "inexcusable," but that now "the situation in Gaza is intolerable. It would not exist if the U.S. had been an honest broker to lead an international effort toward resolving the issues between Israel and the occupied territories." Farrell added "I of course do not support Hamas firing missiles into Israel," but unfortunately, the recent events are part of "a context that has existed for far too long. And all that it does is put power in the hands of the most extreme elements on both sides."
"While I strongly oppose Israel's over-reaction and Israel's siege of Gaza and continued occupation of the West Bank, I believe the signal failure is on the part of the United States, failing to provide real leadership." Farrell thinks former President Carter "is a hero" who really did try to succeed at brokering a peaceful solution in the Middle East, but "Clinton's attempts were not strenuous enough" and the Bush Administration has been "a dismal failure."
Farrell would like to see Obama "make a statement about the intolerable humanitarian conditions being created." He does not accept Obama's statement that 'there is one president at a time', because with Bush, Farrell says, "we have at best half a president."
Another protester in Westwood who was unhappy with Obama's laissez-faire attitude was Gustavo Yanez, a former Obama volunteer. Yanez had "worked very hard" to get Obama elected, campaigning for him door-to-door and even traveling to New Hampshire and Nevada to help. But now "fed up", Yanez had painted a huge banner with his mother, Marta Yoshimura, which said: "Obama We Voted for Change, Stop the Genocide." Yanez decried our foreign policy as "not in the interests of the United States. We need to be honest brokers for peace, we need to be even-handed. Instead, Obama's quietly on vacation. He needs to say something." Yanez did not think a desire not to contradict Bush was any excuse: "Since he opposed the war in Iraq, which Bush was for, why can't he oppose this? He needs to be vocal about what he believes in."
Jodie Evans, co-founder of the very serious but also very playful women's peace group CODEPINK (http://www.codepink4peace.org/), was likewise "disgusted that Obama didn't make a statement. He's had an opinion about everything else. This is an atrocity and if he doesn't call it an atrocity, it's shameful." He should "use his place of leadership to clarify things." Evans said that CODEPINK is "outraged" by the assault on Gaza, which is the "result of the violation of human rights for far too long", and will be delivering a petition to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice next week.
They will also be present in D.C. during Obama's inauguration, doing the cancan outside the balls to remind the glitterrati that "yes we cancan end the war."
CODEPINK member Edie Pistolesi added "art can be very powerful, that's why I love CODEPINK." Pistolesi, an art education instructor, had brought a collage she had made, 'Collateral Damage', which featured dozens of toy soldiers and a doll-baby covered in red paint, to remind people that "it's babies, it's innocent people dying", in this "massacre." 
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by MARGARET BASET (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 345 comments [45 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:55:00 AM  (0+)
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Reply: AS USUAL
by MARGARET BASET (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 345 comments [45 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:59:34 AM (0+)
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Reply: Israel is doing to Gaza what Germany did to Warsaw Ghetto
in 1942-44. This is horrible. Make no mistake that this is a valid comparison. I can never trust Israel again, after seeing the dead children's photos posted at Uruk.net. by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:07:41 PM (0+)
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Reply: Stephen Fox, wow, are you that stupid?
"The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law. They may also constitute war crimes" Did you lift a finger in the past 8 years to protest against the 10000 rockets fired at Israeli civilians? War crimes! Stephen Fox? Silence and hypocritical duplicity. You're a fraud, Fox. You wouldn't even know a Nazi before he shot you in the back of the head and pushed you into a mass grave with 100,000 other Jews. If Gaza is Warsaw like you say, then in 2 weeks they'll all be dead. Since they won't be. I'll expect you to post a retraction and an apology. But don't worry, I won't expect it from the likes of you because the truth doesn't interest you. by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:03:49 PM (0+)
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Reply: How can anyone be calling anyone else stupid
here? Maybe under or mis-informed. Not stupid and not anti-semitic. So the Palestinians have 'bombed' Israel? You can equate their 'rockets' with a pea-shooter against a howitzer. But why are they doing this 'bombing?' you ask. The Israelites have never returned 'all the' territories they usurped during the war of 1967, though that was the intention of the UN. Gaza is occupied by Israeli troops who make life miserable for Palestinians. Palestinians were forced from their homes and lands back in 1948 to make room for the new Israeli State. Israeli settlers now move into Palestinian territories and start a new settlement, not even leaving when they are told to by the UN. They build separation walls all over the occupied territory, separating farmers from their farms and orchards. They then make them spend hours, sometimes days at the 'check-point' before disallowing them access to the land they own. When they do get access, the settlers throw rocks at them, as they try to harvest their crops. Please don't even try to tell me these attacks of the past few days are any kind of payback for so-called bombing. I'd bet our own State Dept. is behind it, and we can't expect our Pres. Elect to say anything, and when he does it will be a repeat of the propoganda about defending themselves. Spare me! He made the statement at AIPAC, that "Jerusalem will never be separated." Spare me again! Jerusalem is already divided in three parts. Mr Obama I want my vote back, O.K? by Pat Herrick (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 169 comments) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:53:59 PM (0+)
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Reply: The Western mistake
The Jews were abused horribly by the Nazis, but that doesn't justify Israel's disproportionate responses to Hamas now. When America and Great Britain decided to set up a new "home" for the Zionists in the Middle East, we had no idea what we were getting into, and we screwed it up. Their problems with the Arabs existed long before we did, but we jumped right in, stepped all over the Palestinians, and did NOTHING to help them out in the process. We can't solve the religious conflicts of the past, but we could have helped the Palestinians build some infrastructure, schools, hospitals, or something! Instead, we helped only the Jews at the EXPENSE of the Palestinians, and now we're both (U.S. and Israel) paying the price. At the very least, we owe Palestine some (non-military) assistance, but what will they accept at this point? I think 911 was probably a combination of Arab's hatred of the West and some help from the oil industry and other "moneyed vultures" on the inside. Until the U.S. gets OFF OF FOSSIL FUEL and our noses out of the Middle East, we will continue to have these problems. Furthermore, why would anyone insist on living in an area where they're surrounded by people who hate them and want them out, or dead? Is it truly worth all that? There are many happy, successful Jews here in the U.S., Europe, and all over the world, so why do those in Israel want to hold on to such toxic real estate? I bet the Israeli government would suddenly become very peaceful if Hamas managed to get its hands on some nukes. Why wait until then, Israel? What do they want from you? Give it to them now, while you still can. You can't prevent people from obtaining "knowledge" forever. You can live and worship anywhere you want, if you simply learn to treat others as respectfully as you treat your own---or is that against your religion, dear Israel? Go ahead, call me simplistic, anti-semitic, or whatever. I love my Jewish brothers and sisters, and I only want the best for you all. I'd say we made a bad investment when we tried to help you restore your old home in the Middle East. It's just not a good neighborhood for either one of us anymore. I think it's time to cut our losses, get off of fossil fuels, get out of the Middle East, and leave the Arabs alone. They'll stop being a threat to us as soon as we stop being a threat to them, don't you think? by Eva James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:35:54 PM (0+)
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Reply: That's what I believe, whether you like it or not.
I have studied the Holocaust intently for many years. My Lebanese friends made quite a case for explaining how Gaza was to be obliterated, like a parking lot. The Warsaw ghetto took about 3 years to destroy. They, like Gaza, used tunnels to get out. We'll see how the Israeli "occupation" goes. Take a look at the 14 dead Palestinian children's photos at Uruk.net You win no friends by insulting my or anyone else's intelligence in promulgating what they genuinely believe. I will retract nothing and will apologize for nothing. The comparisons may be shocking but generally the truth is often shocking. by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:27:50 PM (0+)
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Reply: Gaza vs Warsaw
So the Jews in Warsaw were firing missiles on Nazi cities and refused t ocease and desist? I missed that in my readings on the Warsaw ghetto. I also missed the Nazis trying hard not to kill innocents. I missed where the German military called the residents of Warsaw on their cell phones and gave them 30 minute warnings in advance of attacking them. Maybe someone can explain what Israel should do in response to being bombed? Maybe Israel should just give up and get out of the middle east. I think Israel will do that as soon as North and South America are emptied of all residents from Europe, Asia and Africa. by kalpal (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments [8 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:22:59 PM (0+)
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Reply: All wars are about land and resources
Like those in Warsaw, the Palestinians are denied the right to self-defense. They are demonized and labled "terrorists" when they try. There are natural gas reserves off the coast of Gaza. Israel's continued efforts to cloak it's colonial predation as "defense" is outrageous. The blockade of food, medical supplies, fuel etc has killed more than even the aerial bombardment. This is a murderous one-sided war. by Laudyms (0 articles, 1142 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 708 comments [138 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:18:10 PM (0+)
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Reply: And I must have missed
the Israelis trying hard not to kill children and innocent civilians while they targeted schools and churches. Hmmm...where to hide, where to hide? The Palestinians have no place to hide. This is just like when the US pretended that we could bomb Iraq and miss the civilians. They LIVE in their country. We were not firing at military bases, and we slaughtered thousands of innocents. IT IS A LIE. Israeli bombs cannot be aimed to hit the guilty in Gaza anymore than US bombs could be aimed to hit the "guilty" in Iraq. LIES. Slaughter is slaughter. And the lesson to be learned is that unjustly slaughtering innocent civilians turns other innocent civilians against you and breeds hate that lasts for generations. When will it all stop? It won't if Israel doesn't stop using the WRONG tactics to come to a solution. Israel will never kill all of the Palestinians and take over all the land, though that certainly appears as though it is their ultimate goal. Hamas is not innocent. Standing up against Israeli injustice does not make one anti-semitic nor does it make one a supporter of Hamas. It counts us as those who will not stand for injustice of any kind perpetrated against anyone. So call me your names, because it will not change the fact that this is a slaughter being perpetrated by Israel with the full aid and support of the United States and the complicity of anyone who makes excuses or looks the other way. PERIOD. by Paula Sayles (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 204 comments [78 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 11:28:41 AM (0+)
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Call me anti-semitic
if it makes you feel better, if it's the only way it allows you to understand my position. I don't think I am. Most of my "best friends" are Jews. Seriously. I will confess, however, I am anti-Israel, increasingly, with all the bad press I have been reading not in the MSM but online. It is the only source I have come to trust. For it is hear that I read about the truly courageous Jews who are also opposed to Israel's refugee policies. As an American what I have come to resent deeply is the "strength" of our ties to Israel, stronger than to England, then to all of Western Europe? I don't get it. It was never convincingly explained to me in a way I understand. What I do understand is that AIPAC is one of the strongest and wealthiest lobbying organizations of the world. Is that what it takes to make a strong ally? I don't like the idea that MIGHT MAKES RIGHT or that my children might have to die for Israel's cause. I don't like the idea that anybody's children should have to die for any country's cause. Let the politicians go fight their own wars. I've had it with "more war for peace", and with the self perpetuating fear mongering of our military industrial complex. If a country's being attacked it must defend itself but with our dollars, with our weapons, even if it makes us continuously and increasingly hated by the rest of the world? I am tired of all the support we seem to be giving Israel and not the Arabs. Fighting is wrong but it takes two to tango. Neither side could be all right and the other side all wrong. Why the Jews and the Arabs hate each other goes back maybe thousands of years. Could it have something to do with their religious beliefs? Does America really want to get sucked into one side of a religious war? I'm an American and I don't think so. Because either side of a religious war is the wrong side to be on. Anybody that wants to fight or send their own children to fight for their imaginary, religious god or profit who lives up in the sky and never dies, hey, I admit that's pretty heavy stuff but please, count me out. In the meantime, why the Jews' religious beliefs should be more important to Americans than the Arabs' religious beliefs or the Hindus or the Eskimos should be, perhaps better explained and more publicly by AIPAC or by our politicians who seem to agree. I'd like to go one step further than Obama: ALL wars are "dumb wars". And when it comes to allies (or making friends and influencing people), you cannot help one side without making enemies with the other. Only the bankers and politicians have been able to get away with that, and not for too much longer. Biggest oxymoron of all time: "military intelligence". by Nick van Nes (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 596 comments [150 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:33:37 AM (0+)
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Reply: Sure Nick ... go support these guys instead
"The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law. They may also constitute war crimes" by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:17:00 PM (0+)
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Reply: Empty Shill
"The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law. They may also constitute war crimes"--Paz You keep using this 2002 statement having to do with a completely different event having nothing to do with todays issue. It is grasping at straws. It is not relevant. You know very well the dozens of UN resolutions against Israel. So your attempt to shove this in our face day after day is nothing but a very feable attempt at propaganda. You are an empty shill Paz. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:24:53 PM (0+)
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Reply: JBA
"Nick, go support the guys who go burn your flag and vow "Death to America" whenever they can." I could give a crap if somebody wants to burn my flag, a piece of cloth, as a form of protest, or, for that matter, if two homosexuals want to marry each other or, (the latest fear), if someone wants to marry their dog or horse or canary. That shouldn't affect someone else's marital relationship unless they are married for the wrong reason and their marriage is wobbly to begin with. To chant "my country right or wrong" or "country first" is also BS. Who wants to support one's own country knowing it's foreign policy is fucked up? Knowing it has a xenophobic imbecile for a president? If another country should use overpowering military strength, however, to invade us or occupy us as we do Iraq, as Hitler did Poland, as Israel does Gaza, then I am here to simply ask why? For what reason? For WMD's? For oil? Does that make it right? We have WMD. And we, the USA have used them. Not once but twice! Not on military targets but on two separate cities. Cities! Talk about collateral damage or terrorism? Israel has nuclear weapons, illegally, against the vote of the Security Council. So how is it that we can expect Iran not to feel threatened or want their own weapons? Do we believe in sovereignty or not? Do we believe in the inalienable rights of other nations to be able to protect themselves or just in our own inalienable rights to form our own Government? How hypocritical. Why the double standard and who are we to dictate? Because we are the strongest, the mightiest, the least rational? Because might makes right? Because wealth makes right? Can you blame the Arabs for chanting "death to America" when we have invaded one of their countries, killed a million of their people and talk about staying over there for another hundred years? I think we'd be chanting a lot worse than that should the Russians or Chinese invade us. And so I ask, what's the difference? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no? except when it comes to nuclear bombs? Is that what you think, JBA? Only we and our friends, (who the politicians say are our friends), should be allowed to have them? Pre-emptive strikes are oxymoronic, prevocative, deadly and counter-productive but are OK for us and our allies only? Not for our enemies. Right? Are you still reading this JAB? Because that's the rationality and the message we are sending and I think it's the wrong message. Because we misjudged how quickly technology would catch up to developing nations, we should not misjudge, if we are truly moral, the fairness principle of every nation's right to defend itself against attack. The only fair and morally acceptible way to end nuclear proliferation is for us to agree to get rid of all of them, ours and Israel's included. The problem with that, of course, is laying off all of the military presently working on star wars, the new, "ultimate" weapon, the anti-missile missile missile, from satellite, that no other nation will "ever" be able to duplicate, never in a million years. This, from the same wise men who brought us Vietnam and Iraq. And lots of good it will do us, by the way, from preventing the disgruntled teenager from strapping on some explosives to do his or her thing in Grand Central Station around rush hour. Getting back to Israel, the question I raise to our politicians, (who will not answer my letters) is, why should we continue or be a part of and encourage the hatred between the Jews and the Arabs? Do I care if they and their children die? Of course I do. But if they are not going to listen to peaceful suggestions except under their own terms, defined by their own make believe gods or prophets, if either side is unwilling to compromise, then who are we to step in and fight with one side, making enemies with the other? If all the Jews of Israel and all the Arabs want to hate each other, as it appears they do, we should not allow ourselves to be dragged into it militarily. Giving one side our weapons and financial support only further alienates us from the other. I have nothing against these people, Jews or Arabs, except that they are religiously righteous and god fearing and delusional.......and see where it has gotten them. If we truly want to help them it should be in a way to find peace, not to exacerbate the situation. We treat Israel like its our 51st state. Liebermann is our Senator from Israel, not Connecticut. AIPAC needs to explain to all Americans, not just bribed politicians, why we should continue to alienate ourselves from the rest of the world. By taking sides, America is making the situation over there worse, not better. by Nick van Nes (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 596 comments [150 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:37:29 PM (0+)
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Massacre in Darfur Genocide in East Congo
The villages suffer three waves of rape and pillage. The Sudan government, the bandits and the rebels ravage the settlement in turn sometime in a single day. They call the women and girls public utilities. In the East Congo after ten years 5.2 millions are dead. That is genocide and only Angelina Jolie has done something to stop it. The Israel-bashers should buy a dictionary and a map. If they want to help Gaza, they should go to Tehran to be fitted for suicide bomber outfits. by Jason Paz (68 articles, 88 quicklinks, 112 diaries, 1386 comments [97 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:36:53 AM (0+)
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Reply: Sterling Example
I guess this is your way of telling us to go to Hell or wishing us all dead. Isn't that the same mentality of the Fascists running Israel now, and has been for a long time? And it's not just about Gaza. It's about a government which routinely supports Fascism, repression and racism throughout the world, a government that was once in bed with the Apartheid regime in South Africa, that helped train and arm death squads and Fascist armies in Guatemala, El Salvador and elsewhere in the 80s and 90s in Central America, that is always there to do the dark bidding of the CIA and imperialists in Washington. One intellectual of Jewish heritage, Wilhelm Reich, had this to say about Fascism back in the 1940s: "The life-impulse can exist without fascism, but fascism cannot exist without the life-impulse. Fascism is the vampire leached onto the body of the living, the impulse to murder given free rein, when love calls for fulfillment in spring." In the Israeli state, the impulse to murder has free rein, carte blanche. I think right now the world is beginning to figure that out. by Mac McKinney (53 articles, 114 quicklinks, 240 diaries, 1414 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:18:54 AM (0+)
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Reply: "no no no look over there!!!"
"There's nothing to see here...Look over there!" --Razma Paz So tell us Jason, Are you a hired agent of Mossad? Is this your job? by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 12:47:16 PM (0+)
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Reply: Aw c'mon, we all know you've got tunnel vision
We know you really don't care about human beings if they're Jews, otherwise you would be against Palestinian terrorism, which you seem to enjoy. C'mon, Willy, did you secretly convert to Islam and are working for the Iranian mukhabarat? Sure sounds like it. by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:26:31 PM (0+)
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Reply: Lol
Like I have explained to you time and again Paz, It is not the peoples of the varoius nations that are to blame; it is their insane pathological leaders, the perception manipulation by the mainstream media. I see all human beings as having natural human rights, not just my particular tribe. I have one extreme bias, and that is against injustice. As far as which of us has 'tunnel vision', and who "all of us" are, take that and try to pass it off at the bank and you'll be arrested for counterfeiting. I don't know if you are a fool or a maniac. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:15:06 PM (0+)
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Reply: In the tunnel
Mossad's motto, '..by stealth do war.' by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:01:21 PM (0+)
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Most telling ...
"Obama did not bother to look at the protesters as he drove past." Sound like anyone else you know? Welcome to "Foolsville" folks. Enjoy your stay. It won't be long, but it will seem like a lifetime. We don't matter. Never have, never will. We're simply "in the way", and not much at that. As far as Obama is concerned, he could have run over those protesting and he most likely would have preferred that. I don't know how many times it has to be presented to you, but this is not our government. It does not represent us, care about us, give a fat-rat's-ass about us, other than to see us dead. That is not an over-blown statement, it's a GD fact. And Obama is now the symbolic head of this criminal organization that has been systematically murdering us for a number of years and is about to go peddle-to-the-metal into their version of a "Final Solution" that will make Hitler's look like a day at the bakery. by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:53:45 AM (0+)
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Reply: I hope
there's a scintilla of "Crying Wolf" to your analysis, cartoon-man. After all, without hope, there is no hope. BTB, Rob Kall is working toward accenting pictures here. Which could be a second (and likely inferior, at least initially) place for your toons. And not to change the subject (ie, internal email me, at least): How IS Oba** "speaking out" on Katrina and New Orleans? by GLloyd Rowsey (104 articles, 65 quicklinks, 60 diaries, 828 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:01:49 AM (0+)
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Reply: Mr M
No surprise to us eh? Where did you read that? I missed that one.... by jersey girl (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1201 comments [734 recommended, 12 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:40:14 PM (0+)
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Hamas and genocide
Hamas has one goal -- the genocidal elimination of Israel. They have repeatedly turned down the opportunity of an independent state for the Palestinians and have lost all credibility. Hamas continues to victimize the Palestinians with the taunting of sending rockets into Israel to kill civilians. The only predictable outcome is the ultimate response of Israel, which we see today. Those in the world that would legitimize Hamas also have to legitimize genocide because the two are inseparable. by johne37179 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 12:42:55 PM (0+)
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Reply: blatherin idiocy...
"Hamas has one goal -- the genocidal elimination of Israel" That anyone could sit at their keyboard and type out those words today, as Israel is committing genocide at this very moment in Gaza--after 60 years of terror war aginst the Palestinian people, is enough to make a jackal puke. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 12:58:26 PM (0+)
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Reply: Yes willy boy, you are a blithering blathering racist idiot.
If Israel with its mighty armed forces is committing "genocide", then when all the dust settles when the next ceasefire is declared in a week or two - well, genocide means there should be tens of thousands of dead Gazans. Hey willy - are you a bettin' man? $100 of my money says that you're wrong and there simply is not genocide taking place, but a war with casualties. You gonna take me up on it? Tell all the readers here what a good "genocide" death toll is for you, and I'll put my $100 to say you're wrong. I'll take your $100 and donate it to Amnesty International, since they know all about Palestinian war crimes and can continue their good work. You think our artillery guys are that lousy that they couldn't kill 1000 Pals/hour with their howitzers? And they work around the clock. Come on William... one week of hourly shelling... can we agree that out of the more than 1.5 million Gazans let's say 100,000 will be considered genocide? That's less than 10%, but I'm willing to take even 10% of that... is 10,000 an ok number for you to prove it's genocide? Come on willy boy, ya chicken? Or are you just a jackass who abuses the English language? Put some money where your mouth is. Give us some genocide numbers and then put your money behind it. by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:45:59 AM (0+)
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Reply: Sure Paz sing my praises loud and clear!!
"Come on willy boy, ya chicken? Or are you just a jackass who abuses the English language? Put some money where your mouth is. Give us some genocide numbers and then put your money behind it. "--Paz I have a better idea Paz, why don't you put your brain where your mouth is. "Genocide" The accumulative use of murder to rid a particular people from a land. [I won't play your absurd numbers game with you] "War Crime"; the wanton attack on a civilian population, such as air attacks on a enclosed area such as a refugee camp or walled up town or city. targetted assassinations. Targeting hospitals, critical infrastructure, churches, mosques, or temples, schools and universities, civilian housing, ambulances, and children playing in the street. Targeting humanitarian supplies, preventing the wounded from recieving medical care... ...and on and on. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:20:27 AM (0+)
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Reply: Cumulative murder....? Oh puh-leeeez!
So you're chickening out after all. Didn't think you'd take me up on it, cuz, of course, there is no genocide going on. And as for war crimes, heck, here it is yet again for you to ignore. I can only assume since you seem to like Hamas war crimes, that you simply are a racist. "The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law. They may also constitute war crimes" by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:11:34 AM (0+)
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Reply: You think it takes a day?
The facts of Israeli extermination have become known: In the first six days of round the clock terror bombing of major and minor populations centers, the Jewish State has murdered and seriously maimed over 2,500 people, mostly dismembered and burned in the open ovens of missile fire. Scores of children and women have been slaughtered as well as defenseless civilians and officials. They have sealed off all access to Gaza and declared it a military, free fire zone, while expanding their target to include the entire population of 1.5 millions semi-starved prisoners. According to the Boston Globe (December 30, 2008): Israeli military officials said their target lists have expanded to include the vast support network on which the Islamist movement relies to stay in power “…we are trying to hit the whole spectrum, because everything is connected and everything supports terrorism against Israel”. A top Israeli in its secret police apparatus is quoted saying, “Hamas’ civilian infrastructure is a very sensitive target” (ibid). What the Israeli Jewish politicians and military planners designate as “Hamas” is the entire social service network, the entire government and the vast majority of economic activity, embracing almost the entire 1.5 million imprisoned residents of Gaza. Israel’s ‘target’ list thus involves the ‘total population’, using the totality of its non-nuclear weaponry and for an unlimited time period (until the ‘bitter end’ according to the Israeli Prime Minister). by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:18:08 AM (0+)
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Reply: Oh now it's Valley talk??
"The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law. They may also constitute war crimes"--Paz This is all you got, day after day for weeks now, a report from 2002 having to do with a suicide bonmber and hving NOTHING to do with Gaza. Yes, horrific crime against humanity--both sides have reverted to barbarity. but barbarity is yet no excuse for escalation to the point of large scale massacre as is being perpertrated at this very moment. The scale of this thing cannot be discounted--it is beyond logic and humanity. You accuse me of being a racist, and all of your other rank and absurd assertions, and yet you are the one who cannot see that which is so plain and before you. This attack on Gaza is a brutal massacre of men women and children. If you see them as less than human is the only way that you can excuse such extreme delusion. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:31:02 AM (0+)
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No McCain No Obama. We told them so.
We supposed Obama "haters" advised people that he is just another politician who now has the power that he has craved, and thus he no longer has to act out about "change". (Except for the change that will benefit he and his Chicago pals.) by John Olsen (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 60 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:12:03 PM (0+)
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No McCain No Obama. We told them so.
We supposed Obama "haters" advised people that he is just another politician who now has the power that he has craved, and thus he no longer has to act out about "change". (Except for the change that will benefit he and his Chicago pals.) by John Olsen (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 60 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:12:08 PM (0+)
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U.S. Voices Oppose Gaza 'Massacre
The best can one do is coming up with the proposed solution instead of criticizing Israelis or Palestinians. The people’s fighting each other is the one really suffering in the holly lands. They need help to solve the problem facing them. We submit our proposal for peaceful solution and hope both Israelis and Palestinians will look at it and accept this kind of solutions instead of fighting each others for ever. Let Hope first that the OEN publications will publish it. And then the scholars, readers will modify the plan for best solution and ask both community acceptances to end this nonsense conflict. by Jaff Sassani (19 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 138 comments) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:31:18 PM (0+)
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It's not a "massacre" and where have you hypocrits been?
What a bunch of whiney, pseudo-human rights dupes. Funny how NONE of you came out and protested when Hamas fired 10000 anti-personnel bombs at Israeli civilians for the past 8 years. Pathetic how NONE of you protested when Palestinians fired 40 rockets and mortars in violation of the "lull" between June and November. Sick how you only woke up last week. Disgusting how you all suck up to Hamas terrorists, who even the Palestinians hate and the Arab League has turned its back on. Why? Because they are disgusting low lifes whose purpose in life is to wage war, not peace (go read their charter, which you never bothered to do either), and who have an explicit policy of attacking civilians. And you are all two-faced hypocrits for ignoring the conclusions of Amnesty International years ago: "The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law. They may also constitute war crimes" Not my words, Amnesty's. And you call youselves lovers of human rights? You're all nothing more than pathetic, politically incorrect apologists for Palestinian terrorism because it's fashionable with your friends to support the Pals at any cost. Human rights are universal, not just for your pet underdogs half way around the world who are great at squirreling away billions in aid money and hiring expensive (and good) spin meisters. Hamas declared war. We are defending ourselves. You don't like it? We're not the address for your crocodile tears, Hamas and their Iranian patrons are. Let's see a single one of you go out and take 5 minutes of your precious time to read the Hamas charter, then go hold a protest against Hamas war crimes. by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:33:00 PM (0+)
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Reply: How Many Must Die Before U Call It a Massacre?
Attacking truth-tellers gets people like you nowhere. Do you think for one moment that the residents of 1942-44 Warsaw Ghetto did not put up any resistance to the siege of their enclave? Of course not. The people of Gaza have the same right to self-defense as did the people of Warsaw. To deny this is the ultimate hypocrisy; and, Mr. Fox has it right in his comments. He's correct when he says that the Warsaw Ghetto was sealed off in 1942; he's also correct that Gaza has been sealed off for over 18 months. In both these cases, resistance is the people's right. You cannot have it both ways; i.e., grant the Warsaw Ghetto residents the right to resist, and at the same time, deny the same right to the residents of Gaza. by eileen kuch (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 151 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:54:49 PM (0+)
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Reply: Great.
How about "defending yourselves" without my tax $$??? With the hundreds of billions the U.S. pumps into Israel each year, we could provide comprehensive health care to millions of uninsured children and adults, here in America. Don't like our bitching? Tough. Go somewhere else. And fund your own goddamn wars and massacres while you're at it. As long as we're paying for this sh*t with our money, we'll say whatever we please. by annavanz (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 38 comments) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:52:15 PM (0+)
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Reply: anna !
High 5 sister ! Straight and to the heart of the matter.. kudos :) Take that you american hating zionists on this thread. ! I am so pissed off right now I can't find any other words to write. I think a first for me.... ENOUGH ! by jersey girl (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1201 comments [734 recommended, 12 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:38:01 PM (0+)
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Uh oh, Jennifer Epps exposed as fair weather war foe!
I googled and googled and couldn't find anything written by Jennifer Epps where she exclusively condemns anybody but American and/or it's allies. No Jennifer Epps condemning the Taliban for their racist, misogynist, totalitarian policies. No Jennifer Epps condemning Russian for it's abuses in Chechnya. No Jennifer Epps condemning the genocide in Darfur. No Jennifer Epps condemning Palestinian war crimes (see the Amnesty report about that). No Jennifer Epps condemning anything in Turkey/Armenia/northern Iraq. No Jennifer Epps condemning the Tamils or Sri Lankans. No Jennifer Epps condemning anything in Asia. No Jennifer Epps condemning anybody except her own pet peeves. That makes her a jerk, not a great war opponent. And universal human rights are obviously low on her agenda. The sad state of the internet is that anybody with a loud mouth can make their own headlines. by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:35:47 PM (0+)
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Watch Al Jazeera on the conflict
Ok, I have to admit, Al Jazeera is giving good coverage: by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:39:32 PM (0+)
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Reply: Look everywhere with your eyes open.
"Ok, I have to admit, Al Jazeera is giving good coverage:"--Paz You are going to have to admit a lot more than that. Possibly in the Hague one of these days--that is if there is any justice coming to this world. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:44:37 PM (0+)
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Warsaw ghetto did not launch misslies at germany
People that compare Israels action against the Hamas as to what Germany did to Warsaw have their head firmly implanted where the sun doesn't shine and have never seriously studied history. People that compare the weapons that the Hamas use as peashooters compared to the Howitzers have either never been hit by a pea from a peashooter and should be hit with a missile from the Hamas. Those missiles are killing innocents (WHERE ARE YOU PROTESTERS?) and they are disrupting entire cities' daily life styles. How would you like to hear a missile coming by your house 10-12 times a week every week for a year as the ones launching the missile are asking that you obey a cease fire? Israel obeyed the cease fire even though the Hamas defied it, now the cease fire has ended and you poor miserable people are crying that innocents are being hit by the Israelis, who warned the population. That is something the animals firing the Hamas missiles never did. This is suppose to be a progressive movement. Why are so many of you regressive? by Chester Marzolf (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 16 comments) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:53:30 PM (0+)
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Reply: History?
"Israel obeyed the cease fire even though the Hamas defied it." This is an outright falsehood. Isreal bombed Gaza, breaking the truce long before Hamas began firing missles again. Israel broke the truce in a large covert and systematic way as well. If you want to site history you are going to have to admit that Israel began with terrorism and has maintained terrorism as a state actor--more than 60 years of pathological "leadership", by raving lunatic racists..."The Chosen People", where do you think the Nazis came up with the "Master Race", it is simply a mirror of the same concept. You wish to present a very warped accounting of history from your frame. Well your frame is twisted, cruel, and inhumane...as much so as the Nazis, and the American Exceptionalists. It is simply social pathology. Your nuts. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:37:15 PM (0+)
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Reply: Why does Willy Whitten keep lying?
Do tell us, Willy boy, what date exactly Israel bombed in violation of the "lull"? In return, I'll provide you with the dates and locations of the 40 kassam and mortar rounds fired between June and November at Israeli civilians, and will probably back it up with the news reports from the Palestinian organizations claiming responsibility. No matter how much you lie, Hamas is still guilty of war crimes and Hamas is the one who refused to renew the agreement. You don't like war? Gosh, neither do we! Why don't you get off your lazy butt and write the Hamas leadership? by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:30:30 AM (0+)
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Reply: Joe Ben
Tell us, who created Hamas in the first place? by jersey girl (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1201 comments [734 recommended, 12 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:04:02 AM (0+)
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Reply: Hamas created itself, why do you ask?
So what if Israel allowed Hamas to be created? What's your point? That because Israel allowed it Hamas is allowed to continue to commit war crimes? Here it is again, in case you missed it: "The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law. They may also constitute war crimes" Eight years and 10000 rounds of lethal fire. And no, they are not firecrackers, they are anti-personnel missiles. We're legally defending ourselves. This video is not just great proof, it's a real hoot to see Al Jazeera stick their foot in their mouth: Don't like this current war? Why didn't you ever protest before against Hamas? Or are you just another ignorant dupe for Pal propaganda? by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:06:38 AM (0+)
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Reply: Lies? Hardly:
A four-month ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza was in jeopardy today after Israeli troops killed six Hamas gunmen in a raid into the territory. Hamas responded by firing a wave of rockets into southern Israel, although no one was injured. The violence represented the most serious break in a ceasefire agreed in mid-June, yet both sides suggested they wanted to return to atmosphere of calm. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/world/middleeast/05mideast.html?fta=y An Israeli security force had entered Gaza to destroy a tunnel and fought with Hamas gunmen, killing one and wounding at least three, according to Palestinian hospital officials. An Israeli military official, speaking on the condition of anonymity under army rules, said that the tunnel lay about 270 yards inside Gaza and was apparently intended for use in the abduction of a soldier or soldiers. The tunnel was ready for an “imminent” operation, the official said. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:05:01 AM (0+)
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Reply: November 4, 2008
By the way...the exact date is November 4, 2008... Got that Paz? November 4, 2008 by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:26:02 AM (0+)
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Reply: Why did the IDF choose November 4?
Any idea's Mr. Clever? Because the eyes of the world were on the US Presidential Elections. The eyes of the world were DISTRACTED. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:28:51 AM (0+)
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Reply: Read this and go check it yourselves. Yes, you are a liar
June 24, 2008 - Mortar shell fire; three rocket hits identified in Sderot by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:01:31 AM (0+)
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Reply: Strong accusations pal...
Show me the URL to a list like this that is not from the Israeli foreingn ministry, or an Israeli supported research group. This is what I found on the Foreing ministry site itself: From November 4 - December 16, Hamas and affiliated Palestinian terrorist groups fired 190 rockets and 138 mortar shells into Israel. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:49:29 AM (0+)
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Reply: Avraham don't swallow your tongue, relax!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/world/middleeast/05mideast.html?fta=y "Israeli Strike Is First in Gaza Since Start of Cease-Fire" The NYTimes is supposed to be the paper of record. Ask them. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:53:53 AM (0+)
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Reply: Nov. 4. and general agreement as to hostilities beginning:
"As always in relation to the underlying conflict, some facts bearing on this latest crisis are murky and contested, although the American public in particular gets 99% of its information filtered through an exceedingly pro-Israeli media lens. Hamas is blamed for the breakdown of the truce by its supposed unwillingness to renew it, and by the alleged increased incidence of rocket attacks. But the reality is more clouded. There was no substantial rocket fire from Gaza during the ceasefire until Israel launched an attack last November 4th directed at what it claimed were Palestinian militants in Gaza, killing several Palestinians. It was at this point that rocket fire from Gaza intensified. Also, it was Hamas that on numerous public occasions called for extending the truce, with its calls never acknowledged, much less acted upon, by Israeli officialdom. Beyond this, attributing all the rockets to Hamas is not convincing either. A variety of independent militia groups operate in Gaza, some such as the Fatah-backed al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade are anti-Hamas, and may even be sending rockets to provoke or justify Israeli retaliation. It is well confirmed that when US-supported Fatah controlled Gaza's governing structure it was unable to stop rocket attacks despite a concerted effort to do so." --Richard Falk, UN special Rapporteur on Human Rights in Palestinian Territories by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:19:15 PM (0+)
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Reply: Atzmon
"Astonishingly enough, the Israelis even within the so-called ‘left’ and even the educated ‘left’ fail to understand who the Palestinians are, where they come from and what they stand for. They fail to grasp that for the Palestinians, Palestine is home. Miraculously, the Israelis manage to fail to grasp that Israel had been erected at the expense of the Palestinian people, on Palestinian land, on Palestinian villages, towns, fields and orchards. The Israelis do not realise that Palestinians in Gaza and in refugee camps in the region are actually dispossessed people from Ber Shive, Yafo, Tel Kabir, Shekh Munis, Lod, Haifa, Jerusalem and many more towns and villages. If you wonder how come the Israelis don’t know their history, the answer is pretty simple, they have never been told. The circumstances that led to the Israeli Palestinian conflict are well hidden within their culture. Traces of pre-1948 Palestinian civilisation on the land had been wiped out. Not only the Nakba, the 1948 ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians, is not part of the Israeli curriculum, it is not even mentioned or discussed in any Israeli official or academic forum." --Gilad Atzmon by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:34:44 PM (0+)
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Obama and Israel
President Elect Obama has made a pact with Israel so that he could be elected. Don't expect the US to give up sending 3 Billion dollars/year for the Israeli military machine, folks. What we need to do is stop sending any money to Washington until our govt acts in favor of US citizens. No more money for Israeli terror. by Betsy Whitfill (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 10 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:47:10 PM (0+)
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Reply: Sounds fine with me
Now how do you keep from going to jail? by Nick van Nes (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 596 comments [150 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:01:58 AM (0+)
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Reply: Hard Rain
Well Nick, it may be hard to stay out of jail no matter how good we are, because that is no longer the point when the government are the crooks. There is a hard rain gonna fall...and it is going to hit every ones of us. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:20:01 AM (0+)
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For you Hamas lovers out there....
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html by Joe Ben Avraham (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 75 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:15:20 AM (0+)
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Tragic misperception
How can we explain to Israel and its apologists that--even if the enemy were as wicked as they claim--their actions endanger their own survival more than Hamas ever could? As a nation, Israel is suffering from a tragic misapprehension of human psychology which is threatening their own survival. It's horrible to watch this determined but misguided nation repeat the same behavior over and over again, expecting a different result each time--one of the best definitions of insanity. by Perry Logan (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 558 comments [74 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:27:03 AM (0+)
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Reply: Best Point
out of all the comments. Israel is not acting in it's own best interest and it continues to repeat the same tactics that never work. Why would they do that? Is it possible that it is not insanity at all but an insidious plan masquerading as insanity? As has been pointed out, this is the way the US "cleared the way" for the settling of the West. Small wars with "barbarian peoples." by Paula Sayles (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 204 comments [78 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:44:38 PM (0+)
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Thanks, Jennifer
for filling in some of the holes that the MSM leaves unaddressed! by Meryl Ann Butler (70 articles, 82 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 721 comments [29 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:40:50 AM (0+)
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Milktoast
Israel is believed to be using controversial white phosphorus shells to screen its assault on the heavily populated Gaza Strip yesterday. The weapon, used by British and US forces in Iraq, can cause horrific burns but is not illegal if used as a smokescreen. This is preposterous; Laws that must prove intent are worse than useless they are decietful, so as to make appearances rather than solve problems. Why make up "pretend laws" if not for deception? This is where "compromise" gets you eventually...everything is limp milktoast. by William Whitten (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4880 comments [1686 recommended, 28 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:34:57 PM (0+)
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Hamas/Gaza
The "Palestinians" have no business in Gaza to begin with -- the Israelis should've never left their land to those displaced muslim terrorists. I'll say it again, even though it'll hurt Jennifer's sensitive feelings, if Hamas would disarm, there'd be peace. If the Israelis disarm, there will be another Holocaust. by shielah jones (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 94 comments [8 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:21:35 AM (0+)
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