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June 8, 2008 at 10:43:42

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The Spirit of Nader Haunts NCMR Attendees

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I don’t know about you, but I hate that guy. Or rather, he makes me uncomfortable.

I have been stupified by how often he comes up at the conference.

It’s bad enough that these people wearing Nader/Gonzalez T-shirts came in on the first day of the conference and spread their campaign propaganda all over the convention center. It’s even worse that Nader’s impact on America can actually be felt here at the conference.

At the “Uncovering Elections” panel, a person from Canada got the NCMR to ask the panel why Ralph Nader has gotten little to no coverage in this year’s election. John Nichols decided, unfortunately, to answer the question.

He said, “Don’t think that we are having free and fair debates this election if it does not include Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, and Bob Barr.” He went on to talk about how he wrote an article on Nader being a serious candidate.

Nichols described the response and justified his article that surely took away readership of Obama articles as indicative of the misconceptions the progressives in America harbor. They seem to think you can only be a serious candidate if you can seriously win.

That night, Phil Donahue presented the conference attendees with an opportunity to view his remarkable documentary Body of War, a film that focuses on Iraq war veteran Tomas Young who was shot in Iraq and paralyzed. He came home and after release from the hospital became inspired by Cindy Sheehan and joined the antiwar movement.

This amazing man despite all the bodily malfunctions he experiences on a daily basis became a warrior---a true patriot--- to fight for his brothers and sisters in Iraq that should be home right now.

The film was inspiring and structured in such a manner that you were shown Tomas’ struggle right alongside the failure of Congress to understand they were giving Bush the authority to justify war for the rest of his reign over America.

At the end of the panel discussion, an audience member asked how Donahue found Tomas Young. Wouldn’t you know Ralph Nader introduced Donahue to Tomas.

This happened during his 2004 campaign. Donahue was taken to Walter Reed. There, Donahue met Tomas. Although, it wasn’t until months later when Tomas was out of his coma that Tomas met Donahue. From that point on, the magic unfolded before the camera giving way to one of the most unsanitized documentaries created during this endless war.

And that’s good because you mustn’t sanitize the war. The people must see the gruesome and disturbing images of what this war does to people until the day our troops are withdrawn.

But Ralph Nader? Barack Obama has the nomination and we need to be very careful or else he might lose to McCain. And that is why it's tough to handle this Nader talk.

Even negativity about Obama bothers me.

Rev. Lennox Yearwood said during a panel about media in a time of war that he was heartened that a black president might be elected after Tuesday but after Wednesday he was disheartened that the black president elected might be an AIPAC president.

Naomi Klein in last night's speech told people about how Obama has no plan to end the war. She went after him and called on people to do the right thing and pressure him to change. But, I think we should give him his space and expect him to do the right thing.

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Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral system, its military-industrial complex, its foreign policy of American exceptionalism, its media which has become the Fourth Branch of government,etc.)
His ambitions have him currently organizing and raising money for a Chicago Conference for Media Reform in April or May of 2009. It will be organized by college students to promote youth involvement in media reform and justice. Those interested in attending or helping with the organization of the program should contact him.

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Kathlyn Stone is a Minnesota-based writer covering science and medicine, health care and related policies. She publishes www.fleshandstone.net, a health and science news site.
Kathlyn StoneKathlyn Stone is a Minnesota-based writer covering science and medicine, health care and related policies. She publishes www.fleshandstone.net, a health and science news site.

Yay for democracy!

Are you being facetious?

Media reformers cannot be assumed to be Democrats. The closest thing I heard to a Democratic Party messenger there was Adriana Huffington, and that ain't bad.

People dedicated to media and election reform are hyper-sensitive to voices that tout party allegiance over allegiance to democracy. Nader opened eyes to corporate control of government and media decades before anyone else.

To some he will only and always be a spoiler but that's a narrow-minded view. People who share(d) his positions and other "radical" views have a right and an obligation to express them. Otherwise we will be left with only Republicrats, The Money Party.

by Kathlyn Stone (42 articles, 219 quicklinks, 26 diaries, 638 comments) on Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 3:52:40 PM

Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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Kevin GosztolaKevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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i am being facetious

I am poking fun at the overwhelming amount of people who when they heard the name Nader at the mentioned panel or film screening became very quiet. You could hear a silence wash over the room. They fear what he might do to Obama. And as I will write in a piece later, this is part of a huge problem that may get us media reformers McCain if we cling too closely to a candidate that is not talking about the issues that need to be talked about.

by Kevin Gosztola (211 articles, 113 quicklinks, 68 diaries, 809 comments) on Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 5:53:47 PM

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Crossing the Line

The line was crossed many times as "journalists" and "free press" gave stump speech after stump speech for Democratic candidates. I am waiting for FOX news to totally discredit the NCMR conference with the footage they got of the same. And, it will be a hard lesson learned for the "free" press if they do.

Kevin, you are doing a good job.

by Georgianne Nienaber (145 articles, 46 quicklinks, 13 diaries, 337 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 7:14:18 AM

That's what I thought!

based on having read your other peices here.

by Kathlyn Stone (42 articles, 219 quicklinks, 26 diaries, 638 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 7:46:14 AM

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Giving Obama "his space"

Some of them are very committed to him. They have such passion. Some are even activists. They are pouring everything they have into Obama's movement for change.

They don't just believe him they believe "in him." Obama will end the dark years of the Bush dynasty. Finally, America will turn the corner and return to the path of justice, the path of "lifting all boats", the path of peace.

Wouldn't it be nice to believe as they do? Wouldn't it be nice to finally have a horse in the race with a real chance of winning? Wouldn't it be nice, albeit a moment all too brief and fleeting, to escape what some of us know to be our common future?

Even those genuine progressives, much of the Board of the Progressive Democrats of America, have gotten behind the Obama campaign (or even the Hillary campaign). Perhaps these are the "space givers" you speak of. One wonders how such wise and experienced warriors can find such faith in candidates who have not only NOT walked the walk but have NOT even talked the talk.

Obama, man of peace? Is that what they believe? Obama has made very strident remarks about Iran. Obama has called for an INCREASE in the overall size of the US military by roughly 90,000 troops. That's a whole lot of extra troops for someone planning to bring the war and occupation of Iraq to an end. Exactly was does he plan to do with all those extra troops, have them go help rebuild America's infrastructure? Will they be trained as physicians to lower the cost of healthcare or provide badly needed medical services in rural areas? Will they become part of a national teacher corps to help reduce class sizes around the country? Will they be used to repair the poorly maintained roads and bridges all over America that are eroding our economic standing in the world? Will they be trained and deployed as an army of scientists to do desperately needed but badly underfunded research on global warming?

Well, no. Mr. Obama apparently sees a need to keep a fairly substantial number of US troops in Iraq. Some have reasonably estimated this number to be around 60,000 troops based on statements Mr. Obama has made. And, Obama also has emphasized the need for more troops in Afghanistan. One wonders whether Obama has ever voted to eliminate a "defense" project for a new weapons system.

The idea of giving Obama "his space" is foolhardy at best. While anything is possible, and Obama could change once in office, should we not assess him based on his platform and his record? The right understanding of our times is that the US is an imperial power. We use our military, paid for by the American people through their tax dollars and what economists like to call opportunity costs (i.e. what else we could have done with the moneey), to provide corporate-welfare to big oil and other multi-national, private corporations.

Here's the bottom line: powerful, wealthy interests have been directing and controlling national policy for their own greedy interests for a very long time in this country. The price paid by citizens of other countries all over the world is an outrage. What most Americans don't see is that their own government is robbing them blind. Some, mostly true blue Democrats, only blame Bush. They fail to understand that the institution of empire has transcended many administrations. Bush is just the ugliest and most visible form of the genre. It looks like his plan has been to steal the last few coins from America's piggybank and then let the whole thing come down. We may be very close to that point now.

It is this vision, a vision that we need a revolution, be it peaceful or otherwise, to restore real power to the American people that most Democrats do not see. It is a vision that worships "the ideals of the US" but not what has been done to them to make profits for a very limited few.

There is no fine line here. You either understand that our institutions are badly corrupted and that our government, our economy, our environment, our media, our country and our lives have been seized by those who seek to benefit only themselves or you don't. I hear Obama talking about change. One wonders what he really means by that when he will not put name to that which needs changing.

Perhaps a magic transition will occur should he succeed in the election. It seems to me, however, that change can only occur after one has campaigned for the changes we need. I don't hear Naomi Klein's essential truth coming from Obama or anyone else in the Democratic Party. That don't seem to dispute it; they just kind of ignore it

Instead of the nonsense about Nader costing Gore the election, perhaps a real discussion of what Nader is saying is in order. As long as Democrats can take the left for granted, they will. The path to change, well, at least one path to change, must be to negotiate from strength. If the Democrats want my support, our support, we should demand to be heard and be recognized. They kicked out Kucinich. They kicked out Gravel. Does anyone truly believe they're interested in hearing from the left?

I'll be voting for Nader this November. I wish I could be voting for a Democrat who "gets it." It just wouldn't be reasonable to do so. Nothing will change until the truth about what the US has become is acknowledged, and that, I'm afraid, won't be happening anytime soon by any major party candidate.

by welshTerrier2 (7 articles, 3 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 105 comments) on Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 8:01:10 PM

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FerdinandThough he is of noble blood, Ferdinand has no desire to fight or rule. He would prefer to explore, to ponder, to love, and to smell the flowers. Nevertheless, Ferdinand is a bull and he has horns.

Hear ye, O hear him

Great analysis. But will anyone listen? "But we musn't let McCain win!!"

I have been recently been reading C. S. Lewis and his views on Christianity. I came across this passage and thought it to be of great value:

"Christianity thinks of human individuals not as mere members of a group or items in a list, but as organs in a body - different from one another and each contributing what no other could. When you find yourself wanting to turn your children, or pupils, or even your neighbours, into people exactly like yourself, remember that God probably never meant them to be that. You and they are different organs, intended to do different things. On the other hand, when you are tempted not to bother about someone else's troubles because they are "no business of yours", remember that though he is different from you he is a part of the same organism as you. If you forget that he belongs to the same organism as yourself you will become an Individualist. If you forget that he is a different organism from you, if you want to suppress differences and make people all alike, you will be a Totalitarian. But a Christian must not be either a Totalitarian or an Individualist.
"I feel a strong desire to tell you - and I expect you feel a strong desire to tell me - which of these two errors is the worse. That is the devil getting at us. He always sends errors into the world in pairs - pairs of opposites. And he always encourages us to spend a lot of time thinking which is the worse. You see why, of course? He relies on your extra dislike of the one error to draw you gradually into the opposite one. But do not let us be fooled. We have to keep our eyes on the goal and go straight through between both errors. We have no other concern than that with either of them."

Can Obama supporters not see it is a trap into which they are walking?

"Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi (too bad Lucas has turned to the dark side.. no pun intended.)

My goal this election is to convince enough people to write-in Ron Paul, vote for Nader, or go to a 3rd party of their choice such that neither McCain nor Obama receives above 40% of the popular vote. I want the world to know that no matter who is appointed emperor, he will be assuming power without the support of the American people. That we do not support wars of aggression or tyranny of any sort. We, the people, cannot win this election as it has already been bought and sold, but we sure as hell can send a message that we are not going to be bulled over anymore.

by Ferdinand (17 articles, 4 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 198 comments) on Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 9:07:46 PM

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This man you admit you don't know

strange, all the things you are wanting you would be granted if Nader was our candidate. You admit you don't know Nader yet have the nerve to state a lot of negatives about him. I suggest you get acquainted with one of the finest people anywhere and one of our best political minds and realize that we should fighting our one-party system so citizens could vote for Nader.

by emily horswill (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 66 comments) on Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 11:06:34 PM

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Kevin, I was there

During the Naomi Kline speech when she mentioned Obama, you hear a voice yell out "Obama funds The War" and it was transfered to the tele prompter.

that was me!!!!!!!

It will appear on the media Conference website. The Naomi Kline speech, that is. With my little addition.

by Michael Cavlan (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 225 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 12:10:54 AM

Additional Point

Kevin and All,

John Nichols of the Nation magazine is, in my opinion a lying, cowardly sack of, in my well you get the point.

I had talked to Mr Nichols of the Nation magazine a few months ago at a NAFTA Conference in Minneapolis. I introduced myself being with the Green Party, candidate for US Senate, gave him a card.

Next week he published an article in the now discredited Nation rag. It was on the US Senate race here in Minnesota. He endorsed Al Franken (what a joke) mentioned Professor Jack Nelson Palmyer (who was running against Franken for the Dem nomination) very briefly and lo and behold, nary a mention of my campaign.

It happens all the time with the Corporate media and now is happening in the corporate Dem apologist media as well. I challenged him on this, making the same point as I do with corporate media. The job of a truely free press is to inform the public and let THEM make up their mind with the information provided.

He muttered some things, looked uncomfortable and said "well we will be doing another story on the Minnesota US Senate race."

John Nichols is a lying sack of, well you know in my humble opinion. Same thing with Air America. Do not mention the Green party, do not mention Michael Cavlan.

Just like the other corporate media outlets.

by Michael Cavlan (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 225 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 12:30:54 AM

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What is Obama's plan to end the war anyway? I haven't heard.

by Deborah Wells (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 37 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 12:41:43 AM

Obama has no plan

That is why have not heard it.

Just meaningless, empty rhetoric of change.

Got some spare change, change the seats on the Titanic, that kind of change.

by Michael Cavlan (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 225 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 1:20:37 AM

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Change?

May I once again humbly submit my cartoon, "Change 08"

(since it was lost when my first profile was)

See it here:

click here which I would add, Obama; he really needs to be more specific about his "Change", doesn't he?)

And Nader needs to get more pragmatic.

Why wasn't he working in-between elections to change the system in which he cannot win? ...like, getting IRV?

by Bia Winter (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 326 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 9:06:12 AM

(Sorry)

I guess that link isn't working; just haven't figured out why.

by Bia Winter (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 326 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 9:28:06 AM

Nader Between Elections

First, Ralph Nader has been working on things like IRV between elections.

Not as much as he would have liked. You know why? because he has been in the courts, fighting the 21 (I believe) seperate lawsuits that the <ahem cough bullshit> 'lesser evil' Democrats filed against him, simply for RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

I wonder what is Barack O-BOMB-A's position on the Democrats undemocratic attempts to squelch dissent in this country?

Probably the same as Impeachment.

by Michael Cavlan (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 225 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 12:59:05 PM

Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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Thanks Mike

For making this thread a fine one.

I was not far from the voice that yelled "Obama funds the war." It made me happy because at the time Naomi Klein's speech seemed like it was going to be a speech suggesting Obama to be a savior for the Democratic Party. Thankfully, she meandered her way into the truth...

...The people of this nation have to take responsibility and demand Obama become more progressive or else not vote for him at all.

Otherwise, we continue the downward spiral that Bush upon stealing the election in 2000 kickstarted to full speed.

by Kevin Gosztola (211 articles, 113 quicklinks, 68 diaries, 809 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 4:07:05 PM

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I have long been a registered Independent and now am a member of the Maine Green Independent Party.

Widower, grandfather of two, retired.

Candidates

We have some fine candidates in third parties running, Cynthia McKinney for the Green Party should get the nod in July, while Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez are taking it on the road to the people.

I think this is the year we seriously back and support candidates from perspectives other than the major parties.

by Jack Harrington (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 311 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 8:22:38 PM

Kevin

Wow, if I had have known that you were there, I would have loved to have met.

I hear you about where Naomi Kline was almost sounding, about Obama being the savior. that is why I yelled "Obama Funds The War" when I did.

Did you notice it being transmitted by the tele prompter?

SWEET!!!!!!!!

by Michael Cavlan (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 225 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 12:11:16 AM

kevin

Hey, I am running for US Senate in Minnesota. being ignored by the corporate media AND by John Nichols in the Nation magazine.

Can you spread the word about my campaign. Specifically in the search for a few bucks from activists who "get it" in regards to the Dem complicity?

Thanks Brother.

Michael Cavlan
www.michaelcavlan.org

by Michael Cavlan (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 225 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 12:14:19 AM