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"Guaranteed" Healthcare
With over 40 million Americans presently without health insurance that industry had to come up with a way to get their hands into the pockets of those "deadbeats"... enter the Hillary plan, make it mandatory that all people have health insurance. They did the same with auto insurance years ago. Have the insurance or you are breaking the law. Even with insurance the typical scenario goes something like this: The individual pays their monthly premium, then goes to the doctor and pays their co-pay. The insurance company gets its bill from the doctor and pays their committed amount for that particular procedure. The doctor then sends the individual a bill for the difference of their bill and what the insurance company doesn't pay. Final score: Individual pays three times on the bill; Insurance Company: pays once. Great isn't it? The only guarantee is the insurance companies will pick up over 40 million new customers and the government will get to frame new people as law breakers when they can't afford to have insurance. Dennis Kucinich, you know that guy the corporate media propagandists painted as a "nut case", had a plan that would have covered every American and would have used 15% of what is now going unaccounted for in the Pentagon's budget. Every American would have been covered under his plan, but the insurance industry may have had to do something else with their business... by Dennis Kaiser (20 articles, 0 quicklinks, 35 diaries, 730 comments [137 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:37:53 AM
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Reply: PDA strongly supports single payer
Make no mistake. PDA does not want a Clinton mandate plan. We want single payer, HR676, guaranteed health care for all. And we want it sooner rather than later. Let's work harder on Congress. by Donna Smith (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:10:25 AM
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I am so offended by the hillary plan, it just makes me shake
Her "plan", just like has been said before here, is to FORCE people to purchase healthcare from private insurance companies. The person who comments above makes the comparison between this and the mandatory auto insurance laws, but there is one difference; you don't HAVE to own a car. Many people in big cities and those who can't afford one, simply don't have it. However, most people HAVE to work, and that is the difference. Under her plan, ONCE AGAIN the working stiff is stuck paying and paying to the glorious corporations that OWN this country and the "elected" representative in congress. (But, I bet you ANYTHING, the CEO class won't have their insurance forms checked before they get a new seat on some board somewhere!) Another thing about her plan is that it will be based on WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO PAY! Like a car lot that targets the poor/working class and doesn't even put the price of the car on the window (because they make up the price based on what you have left over after your bills are paid), the insurance companies will take all your info, calculate the price based on what you have left over AFTER your other bills are paid. Meaning, this law allows insurance companies to decide how much of your livilyhood they will take from you and your family. It's sick. Plain and simple. Brought to you by your friends at the DLC; the Neo-con version of the Democratic Party. by scott creighton (25 articles, 11 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 244 comments) on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:01:34 AM
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To each according to his/her need.........
by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 832 comments [53 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:19:33 AM
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Reply: I hate to be the one to mention this
but one of the very FIRST things the Department of Defense did under this criminal regime, was to privatized many aspects of the VA healthcare system in many states. I think, if you look, you might find that many of the problems arose from those facilities. The days of the old "government run" scare tactic are pretty much over. Can I prove that? Sure, you want to hand over your SS to Wall Street bankers to invest "for you"? Huh? Or would you rather trust that the SS program will still be there cutting checks when time to punchout for the last time rolls around? I wouldn't trust these Wall Street Sleazebags with my lunch money, much less the SS kittie. And my guess is, neither would you. How about privatizing the police force or the fire department? How would that work out for you? Been done before, and it will again. Government does some things better because of the NATURE of the thing. Check out the privatized war machine. Now that they have a vested interest in producing more OPORTUNITY for their profits, Shazam!, endless war on the horizon. The Golden Rule of business is not conducive to real healthcare for all. It can't be, because many, in this economy of ours, won't help them turn a profit. That MAY be why we are one of 25 Westernized Industrial nations with a for-profit healthcare system. by scott creighton (25 articles, 11 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 244 comments) on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:01:58 AM
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Guaranteed to take your dough.....
I apologize. This is so sad. Mandates on how all will be saved. It's the same old. Feed the kitty. Theirs. peace by mikel paul (14 articles, 1 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 570 comments [13 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:43:03 AM
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Every American has a basic human right to healthcare.
This is what you wrote. If healthcare is a basic human right, then everyone (not just Americans) have a right to this care. I can only assume this care is provided by someone other than the recipient. Therefore, what you are saying is that everyone has a right to someone else's labor. I would like for you to justify that position or explain why that position is not your own. by Joe Reeser (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 63 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:37:32 AM
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Americans lose three times
Well said, Dennis Kaiser. Americans will ... ... pay even more, directly to the for-profit health insurance companies. ... pay even more, indirectly to the for-profit health insurance companies via much higher taxes. ... have their health get worse and worse due to lack of preventing diseases. Cause and effect ... ... the lack of disease prevention (dead last: 19th out of 19 countries) http://www.ninenineohnine.org/pages/Real_People ------- That results from lack of health care access, not getting to the doctor. ... the lack of health care access ... the extreme inefficiency and government bureaucracy So now we see the root cause --- BUREAUCRACY. We must rid ourselves of the root cause: for-profit and government bureaucracy. The U.S. won't get far until we, the people, establish the non-profit single-payer public agency that is insulated from the day-to-day interference of the U.S. legislature and 50 state legislatures. Bob Haiducek, Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate Bob Haiducek (hi' duh sek) http://www.ninenineohnine.org/pages/Peace_of_Mind But we need to join thousands of others as part of communicating to each of our U.S. Representatives. For example, we can follow the Schedule http://www.ninenineohnine.org/pages/Schedule And we can get reminders to follow the schedule by Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Wednesday, Aug 13, 2008 at 3:34:34 AM
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Actions are REQUIRED for non-profit single-payer insurance
Scott, you wrote that you are so offended by the hillary plan that "it just makes me shake." I hope that you are thinking the same about Barack Obama's plan, because its foundation is EXACTLY THE SAME PROPOSAL. Multiple times he emphasized in the last year or so that his plan is 95% (or was it 99%?) the same. Why did he say that? Because both of them ... in fact John and Elizabeth Edwards also ... are based on the same foundation. I did a very detailed comparison on this horrible plan and it even more detailed economic evaluation by the highly respected Lewin Group. It is BAD. (This is not a plug for any politician for voting; it's just the facts about one critical issue.) Don't think that Barack Obama is going to do one thing before the election and another thing after the election and all of a sudden finally support the will of the people. on 4/3/2007 he made it very clear in a public meeting and then made it even more clear to the press that he is requires a massive grassroots movement like you have never seen before in order for him to be comfortable in supporting HR676. Right smack dab in the middle of the meeteing he even gave the exact actions of the necessary grassroots movement: thousands of citizens in most or all U.S. Congressional Districts communicating what they want to their U.S. Representative. As they say or used to say, you can take my words here "to the bank." we need to join thousands of others as part of communicating to each of our U.S. Representatives. For example, we can follow the Schedule and we can get reminders to follow the schedule by Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Wednesday, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:03:58 AM
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Physician-run health care
Steve. Since you feel you have been "shouted down," then perhaps people have been shouting with emotional words instead of communicating with facts. We're not talking about government-run health care in terms of a specific person's care. The physicians will run their private practices and be much more in charge of a patient's health care than how it is today. Their malpractice insurance rates will drop, since people there will be no lawsuit costs for a person's health care for the rest of their life. Their expenses for labor costs will drop, since large billing staffs will not be required. They will have a significant increase in patient care instead of all that time they are currently spending on health insurance issues and the frequent visits by pharmaceutical reps. Please go to this link and scroll down to the 15th district and listen to Dr. Steve Blythe's excellent 12-minute talk, where you can learn about costs related to the Veterans Administration. Listen carefully, as it's only one point made among the 12 minutes. No matter what happens the new system will be FAR better than we have today. After you listen to the audio please read the following web page http://www.ninenineohnine.org/pages/Peace_of_Mind And, if you want to read about rationing and wait times, be sure to read about the Secret that a citizen shared, as note on this web page. http://www.ninenineohnine.org/pages/Rationing But do not try to access the video segment, because the Obama staff had partially hidden it and how has made it not accessible at all. But the Obama staff at least can't delete the transcript from the video that is provided at the web page. In fact, that particular transcript is on a youtube video. I need to provide a link to that. Negative newscasts occur from the press blowing up specific problems about the VA. The negative news is reported, but the overwhelming positive news about the VA is not generally reported. That is upsetting. Most soldiers fine the VA to be fine. As you hopefully learned in the video about one aspect of the VA, it's a very well run system. We will have peace of mind. I look forward to it. Millions of othes are too. by Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Wednesday, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:46:33 AM
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