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August 6, 2008 at 10:28:07

Headlined on 8/6/08:
The 'Songbird' as President?

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John McCain's partisans make reference to his service to the nation by almost daily reminding us of, or somehow touting, the Arizona Senator's supposed war hero status dating from his five and a half year captivity in the Hanoi Hilton. Yet few have been able or willing to look beyond McCain's manufactured image as war hero POW to the reality of what lies behind this man's character.McCain is billed as 'veteran, experienced, maverick politician who is supposed to have stood up to George W. Bush during the 2000 presidential primary.' 

These and other front images have smoothed the way to his candidacy for the presidency, and have contributed to the public believing a largely false idea of who the real John McCain is.  Most people refuse to examine McCain's military and political history for their less than savory aspects. It is as if it were taboo, somehow, to be critical of a national icon and former prisoner of war.  But inquiry is merited because John McCain has got a well documented history of deception: from his numerous flip-flops, to hiding his ties to insider-lobbyists, to secret influence peddling, to turning against friends and allies, to just plain blatant political pandering when it suits his purposes to get ahead politically.

McCain's war hero image is fair game too in this presidential election year and needs to be challenged as well, especially since the Senator beats his chest as the self-appointed arbiter of national military honor and homeland security.

The history has been well documented that John McCain received special treatment when he was prisoner of war in Hanoi, in exchange for making over 30 propaganda commercials for the North Vietnamese. In fact, fellow POW's have testified that McCain was considered the best candidate for these films by the North Vietnamese, because he was willing to do anything to avoid torture. They note that the communists even called him "THE SONGBIRD". 

Ted Sampley, founder of 'Swiftboat Veterans for Truth' and now one of the founders of 'Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain', has stated on their website that even after McCain came home from his captivity  he went so far as to deny that MIA's might even still be in Vietnam alive.  McCain had the audacity to criticize and ignore the very same people who fought to bring him home from his imprisonment.  And since then, during his subsequent political career, when he was in a position of power sufficient to aid in such inquiries into the POW/MIA problem, Senator McCain ignored the pleas of POW/MIA family members for him to use his political clout to help them. He  even verbally abused POW/MIA family members in public and private and tried to negatively influence those who testified before the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs.

The good Senator from Arizona has also  watered down legislation that would give oversight and protection to the families and dismantled protections toward any future servicemen that go missing. 

Yes, John McCain, the American presidential candidate 'war hero' and the man who sets himself up as the arbiter of security and military honor; the man whom many think of as a 'straight talker and straight arrow" is, according to the Vietnam Veterans Against McCain and others who know him more intimately,, actually not a war hero but a big fat zero. They maintain that McCain was, while prisoner in North Vietnam, far from a hero, when he behaved as  a communist collaborator and a personal coward who would rather have made commercials for the North Vietnamese  than to have risked torture.  

Even today, within the small circle of the POW/MIA community, McCain is viewed on the same level of disdain as is John Kerry, that other Vietnam hero who dared to turn anti-war protestor (whom many in the POW community see --i.e., Kerry-- as 'treasonous'--. In fact, in the eyes of this same community their opinion of John McCain is as bad or worse than it is of John Kerry. They consider McCain a traitor and a backstabber.

So, it is ironic and smacks of a national double standard that John Kerry got "swiftboated" in 2004, and yet this undeserved dishonor which stuck to Kerry like glue in the public mind from then on, has not been applied to John McCain. Hypocritically and most unfairly, the very same Republican party that defamed John Kerry for supposed misconduct which is not even based on fact, ironically considers John McCain "untouchable" when his collaboration with the communists is a documented fact.  We all know the mythology and the hype during this presidential campaign year.

Many McCain supporters attempt to cite the fact that McCain was offered an early release by the Vietnamese but didn't take it as some sort of shining example of his patriotism and his dedication to his fellow POWs.  Not so fast. There is another spin on this that few consider:  McCain would, had he taken the release, have been considered a traitor by his fellow POWs and might even have faced a court martial over taking an unauthorized (by the U.S. military) release, not to mention over the 30 plus propaganda films made for the enemy during his captivity.  Moreover, there is another little mentioned fact that  sheds some possible light on McCain's refusal to take early release. Among fellow POW's in these prisoner of war camps,  there was a chain of command wherein  the senior American POW (officer) had to be the one to make the policy decisions  and serve as the ad hoc governing body of POW affairs while in captivity. There was an immutable practice in place that no one was to take early release unless ordered to do so by that senior commander.  Additionally, it is strange that during his captivity, McCain, when also granted multiple interviews with foreign correspondents, appeared well kept, jovial and enjoyed cigarettes, coffee and tea while chatting with the visiting reporter. I dare anyone to ask others being held at the time if they ever enjoyed such luxuries as POW's under the North Vietnamese?

There are more discrepancies in John McCain's book, "Faith Of Our  Fathers" vis a vis the official US government  documents. And certainly in many of those news articles that visiting journalists generated, the accounts at the time made little or no mention of McCain  being beaten or tortured. 

What really irks people like "Swiftboat" founder Ted Sampley, is that McCain, as a POW himself, has in subsequent years as U.S. Senator, evidenced a hatred for POW/MIA families that many would consider nigh impossible to believe. He has referred to fellow POW's and their families as 'zealots', 'conspiracy theorists' and so on. There isn't a need here to go into details of those discrepancies. They can be found all over the Internet. 

 The question becomes, then:  how come this former POW would function as a barrier rather than an advocate for the family members who were not as fortunate as his own family? And why would he attempt to water down legislation that would help POW/MIA Families? Why does he continue to vote down benefits and protections for veterans even to this very day, as in his vote against the recent GI bill?

John McCain has, in so many ways, a history of lying, treachery, deceit and crude behavior, not to mention being an outright demagogue. And part of that demagoguery has been to cover up his own past while he points his self-righteous, crooked finger in accusation at the Democrats.

How many people in the country are aware of the "Songbird's" commercials for the North Vietnamese? Some in the POW community believe McCain was so badly brainwashed by the communists that it destabilized his personality and they point to signs of an unhinged psyche in McCain's erratic outbursts as typical of people who have been subjected to mind control drugs and techniques. Some even think his brainwashing makes him a possible "Manchurian Candidate" who could subvert the US government from within, but I think it is more likely that it did contribute to McCain's instability of temperament and very possibly should call into question his fitness to be Commander in Chief.  

So now we come to the question and the irony. In this presidential campaign,  just WHY does John McCain get to call the shots regarding national campaign issues, and especially those of  patriotism, military readiness and fitness to lead the country in time of war?  Why does this "Songbird" get to denigrate and question Barak Obama's patriotism and define Obama's supposed lack of readiness to be Commander in Chief? And why does the mainstream press give John McCain a FREE PASS  on his multitudinous flip flops, gaffes, treachery, insider- dealings, etc,  but, at the same time, the national newsmedia  microscopically examine and parse Barack Obama's every move and statement?

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Hater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired
John HanksHater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired

When crooks take over, heroes are even more bogus.

The truth about McCain is that his a conscienceless liar.  He is a sociopath.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1186 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 12:10:54 PM
 


Retired on Social Insecurity. Long time grunt in the war on poverty, racism and war itself.
James CordrayRetired on Social Insecurity. Long time grunt in the war on poverty, racism and war itself.

Giving the bird to the songbird

Mr. Lorenz shows McKills greatest potential weakness. In the 2000 Carolina republican presidential primary the Bush campaign showed an ad with McKill making propoganda for the enemy. When/if this becomes known, he will be exposed as a phony and loose the election. Otherwise, I fear the war criminals will prevail in their strategy to 'nigerize' Obama with the electorate. Mr. Lorenz is hardly disabled in comparison. Good for you, sir.

by James Cordray (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 55 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 1:48:31 PM
 


A concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.
PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

McCain Tortured?

There is an interesting article in the Tuscon Weekly that suggests otherwise. 

I can't find a link, but if you get a chance to review the interview with John McCain on 60 Minutes, notice that while McCain readily admits confessing to being a war criminal, he does not offer the justification of having been tortured.  This explaination is suggested to him in a leading question and he answers with a somewhat ambiguous yes

by PrMaine (9 articles, 8 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 326 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 2:28:41 PM
 


Sixty three years old Retired Air Force Master Sergeant that wants his country back.  Born in East Bernstatdt, KY.  Left London, KY September 30, 1960 for employment and returned 2001.  Ran for Congress twice against Harold Rogers (R), Kentucky's 5th U.S. Congressional District.
Billy Ray WilsonSixty three years old Retired Air Force Master Sergeant that wants his country back.  Born in East Bernstatdt, KY.  Left London, KY September 30, 1960 for employment and returned 2001.  Ran for Congress twice against Harold Rogers (R), Kentucky's 5th U.S. Congressional District.

McCain's Early Release

If I recall my hours of listening to the provisions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the many other regulations/policies that govern the conduct of a military person, I seem to remember according to established policies McCain had to turn down a early release.  First in - first out.

by Billy Ray Wilson (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 29 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 3:16:55 PM
 


Student of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.
Mac McKinneyStudent of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.

The Communists Knew McCain was Royalty Right Away

The North Vietnamese Communists knew right away that McCain was an admiral's son, a KEY admiral's son, even bragging about it. They clearly meant to use him for leverage and propaganda and were not interested, in my mind, with serreptitiously torturing McCain. Why ruin a valuable bargaining chip and mouthpiece, and why, above all, piss off the admiral you want to have leverage over by torturing his son? So what  the Veterans against McCain are saying sounds pretty believable to me.

by Mac McKinney (42 articles, 68 quicklinks, 164 diaries, 1061 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 3:24:32 PM
 


Ed Encho is a free lance writer, activist and consultant who resides in West Central Florida and author of the upcoming "A Monolithic and Ruthless Conspiracy".  
Ed EnchoEd Encho is a free lance writer, activist and consultant who resides in West Central Florida and author of the upcoming "A Monolithic and Ruthless Conspiracy".  

Songs For Charlie

By John Sidney McCain III should be one of the great protest albums of the Vietnam era - problem was that he was protesting U.S. Imperialism and Capitalism. The Reich Wingers may vilify Jane Fonda and still use her as some kind of a perverse symbol but as a veteran I can say that there is nothing more offensive than a guy who runs on his record as some sort of revisionist 'war hero' when he did more to promote communism with his series of propaganda hits than any 'lefty' in this country ever has...

Talk about chutzpah, but then again we are talking about a guy that just pimped his wife out to thousands of drunken thugs in Sturgis (no offense to real bikers but a lot of wannabes tend to show up every hear) but as far as he is concerned she is just a C**T anyway.

McCain is a disgrace to everything that his country is supposed to stand for.

Just my two cents

EE

by Ed Encho (7 articles, 15 quicklinks, 56 diaries, 391 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 5:52:18 PM
 


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Donald Michael SchwartzI Graduated from Eastern Michigan University with a major in English (journalism concentration). I did extensive coursework in Aquatic Biology (study of lakes and streams) before switching to Journalism. I also have a master's degree from Wayne State University (Detroit) in Library Science. I did extensive work with WSU's Center for Peace and Conflict Studies, which lead me to work with McGraw-Hill as a freelance web content developer for their political science and western civilization departme...

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The Media and the Democrats "Can't Handle the Truth"

There is definitely a double standard here.  I hope the truth comes out to the electorate before election day.  John McCain's boob-edness has made it easy to support Obama as opposed to a third party candidate.

I don't understand why the military records of Dubya and Kerry were fair game. but John "Songbird" McCain's is held so sanctified.

The idea of the "Liberal Media" is truly a Myth.  "Chicken-Hearted" media is more like it. 

by Donald Michael Schwartz (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 6:39:54 PM
 


A concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.
PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

Swift-boating?

Comment from Ratings:   Not really. This criticism seems to be valid, not in keeping with Swift-boat conventions of outright lying.

by PrMaine (9 articles, 8 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 326 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 8:26:06 PM
 


JC Garrett is a freelance writer and Constitutional scholar from the piney-woods of East Texas. He apologizes to the entire world that the great Lone Star State could have produced the neo-Neanderthal currently occupying the Oval Office.

"I'm not ashamed to be an American. I'm ashamed George W. Bush is an American."

Mr. Garrett owns and operates an independent recording studio, plays several instruments, writes, sings, and produces music.

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JC GarrettJC Garrett is a freelance writer and Constitutional scholar from the piney-woods of East Texas. He apologizes to the entire world that the great Lone Star State could have produced the neo-Neanderthal currently occupying the Oval Office.

"I'm not ashamed to be an American. I'm ashamed George W. Bush is an American."

Mr. Garrett owns and operates an independent recording studio, plays several instruments, writes, sings, and produces music.

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Hold on a minute

I don't like John McCain. I think he has all the markings of a first-rate warmonger. I think his presidency would be an utter disaster. I think the fact that he graduated nearly last in his class at the Academy showcases his ignorance. I think the fact that he crashed nearly every plane he ever touched shows that he was an awful pilot.

But that's enough. There is no need to say anything about what he might or might not have done to avoid torture while being held in captivity. Even if it was his own fault he got his butt shot down, he was still there serving his country. If he was tortured, and all reports indicate that he was, nobody who has not been there himself should say a damn thing.

Not one of us can say that we would not break under torture, because it would be a lie. EVERYONE BREAKS. There are no exceptions. If they use enough care to make sure you don't die first, you will break. Period.

There are plenty of things to attack about McCain. Even his votes and stance on the prisoners that might have been left in Vietnam is fair game. But there is simply no room for criticizing a man for not being able to stand up to sustained and repeated torture.

None.

by JC Garrett (38 articles, 61 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 551 comments) on Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 1:19:13 AM
 


I am a disabled man living in northern California who cares more about the future of our country than about party affiliation. I am distressed over the downward spiral in our social and political culture.
JOHN LORENZI am a disabled man living in northern California who cares more about the future of our country than about party affiliation. I am distressed over the downward spiral in our social and political culture.

I reject your comment out of hand

Yes, there IS a need to say something about his captivity. He is not exempt from inquiry and there are many POW's FELLOW POW's who would violently disagree with you.

If you want to give McCain the benefit of the doubt, you go ahead but don't you shut me down or make me look unfair because I say it is fair game to question it.

You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't entitle you to tell me I'm being underhanded. I reject your comment out of hand.

by JOHN LORENZ (17 articles, 77 quicklinks, 45 diaries, 173 comments) on Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 3:17:30 PM
 


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Bryan EmmelRetired. Male. Western Minnesota. Social Science/Spanish undergrad majors. Master's in Counseling. Socialist.

The "Songbird"

I love the Jane Fonda - John McCain comparison.  After doing more that thirty films in support of the North Vietnamese it looks more like being a petty celebrity than a torture victim.   There are witnesses who  have accurate information about this so, in addition to the Vietnamese who have offered information, all of McCain's fellow prisoners should be contacted as well.  I wonder what we might find out?

by Bryan Emmel (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 139 comments) on Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 3:24:09 AM
 


Stanimal is ???

I hear cries for freedom elsewhere, while the US becomes less so. I hear support for free markets, then demanding a bailout due to incompetence.
I roll my eyes at those that accuse others being oppressed while the US has and still continues to the same and much worse. Laughing at pinheads who purchase and profit from those they curse.

Every time I return to visit I see a country I no longer recognize. A shredded Constitution, a spineless Congress ...

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StanimalStanimal is ???

I hear cries for freedom elsewhere, while the US becomes less so. I hear support for free markets, then demanding a bailout due to incompetence.
I roll my eyes at those that accuse others being oppressed while the US has and still continues to the same and much worse. Laughing at pinheads who purchase and profit from those they curse.

Every time I return to visit I see a country I no longer recognize. A shredded Constitution, a spineless Congress ...

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Why doesn't anyone

interested in going to Vietnam and personally interviewing the guards and interrogators that watched/interviewed John McCain while a prisoner.

I think these 30 films that McCain made for the Vietnamese while prisoner would have some useful information that could be used as a political advertisement against him during the campaign.

I personally have no respect for him and would never vote for him in November.

My vote is going to Mike Gravel in November.

by Stanimal (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 475 comments) on Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 5:49:34 AM
 


Having lived six decades now, I've had a lot of experiences! Grew up in a family often oppressed because of our faith - we stood for peace and against war, and for the rights of all regardless of ethnic background. Active from youth in peace and civil rights. Vietnam-era draft resister. Worked for a while for peace and social justice groups, and then became a civil servant. Felt a call to a consistent life ethic, and am currently serving as President of Consistent Life. All this is out of Chr...

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Bill SamuelHaving lived six decades now, I've had a lot of experiences! Grew up in a family often oppressed because of our faith - we stood for peace and against war, and for the rights of all regardless of ethnic background. Active from youth in peace and civil rights. Vietnam-era draft resister. Worked for a while for peace and social justice groups, and then became a civil servant. Felt a call to a consistent life ethic, and am currently serving as President of Consistent Life. All this is out of Chr...

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Maybe it will come out

The issue of not exposing McCain's record was brought up to The Washington Post ombudsman, and the response was that it was too early for those kinds of investigative reports, but that it would be done during the fall campaign season.  If one major MSM goes in depth on the truth of McCain's record, it could be all over for him.

by Bill Samuel (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 270 comments) on Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 10:32:55 AM
 


I'm a singer who teaches. My husband and I run a small non-profit theatre company presenting four shows a year.

I love to sing, spend time with friends and family, (when I have time - six jobs - whew!) and love people.

I believe the world is coming together. Now is the time.

Penelope GroverI'm a singer who teaches. My husband and I run a small non-profit theatre company presenting four shows a year.

I love to sing, spend time with friends and family, (when I have time - six jobs - whew!) and love people.

I believe the world is coming together. Now is the time.

truth and logic

Hi, Loved the article. Just wanted to remind you to have a little more faith in the American people. Everything you wrote made sense and I agree, but the last paragraph suggests that people actually voted Bush into office. If you read the article at the beginning of this issue you'll be reminded that that isn't so. We're trying our best, but these guys are pretty sneaky. There are a lot of us who have faith that we can change the way things work when we work together. We're getting there. But trust me, Bush didn't win the first time and he didn't win the second time. We need to remember that. A positive outlook goes a long way to accomplishing the goal. The power of the mind. Thanks for your information.

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I am a college graduate, a loyal patriot of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, a person whose convictions and pessimism drive my thought invoking others to think, and enjoy some politcal debate. I like truth even if it doesn't set you "free" in this US of A any longer. I am a liberal.
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shirley reeseI am a college graduate, a loyal patriot of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, a person whose convictions and pessimism drive my thought invoking others to think, and enjoy some politcal debate. I like truth even if it doesn't set you "free" in this US of A any longer. I am a liberal.
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great article

Mr. Lorenz, you articulated this so well. I learned more than I already knew. I have often wondered how they can bring up all the crap on Obama(financial dealing) but never bring up ENRON, Keating 5 McCain.

It would be a nightmare if MacCrazy becomes our next Prez. Just an absolute nightmare. He is worse than George Bush, well, back up., yes, that's right, worse. Imagine if he picked Cheney for VP. OMG.

I am not voting for lukewarm Obama, but I sure as heck won't vote for McCrazy. There is no way he could pass a shrink's eval w/o coming up with severe personality disorders, no way.

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