Don't ever forget that Bush would love nothing more than to have license to unlease the final stage of his plan for absolute control. I am currently picking early Dec. as the launching of martial law. We should have had enough time for the bail out to fail and another several hundred thousand newly homeless while the Treasury calls for even more money to throw at the ever spreading crisis and America will revolt enough for Bush to initiate martial expecting that actual majority of American will tolerate it.

God i pray i'm not and he's not right.

-yzur-

by mikel weisser (49 articles, 3 quicklinks, 15 diaries, 87 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:23:30 AM

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Martial law , the final phase!   Probably between Nov and Dec

Perhaps another Reichstag fire? Like 911

One world order!      http://www.squidoo.com/double_speak

by Lew Ranger (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 48 comments) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:51:14 AM

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Don't ever forget that Bush would love nothing more than to have license to unlease the final stage of his plan for absolute control. I am currently picking early Dec. as the launching of martial law. We should have had enough time for the bail out to fail and another several hundred thousand newly homeless while the Treasury calls for even more money to throw at the ever spreading crisis and America will revolt enough for Bush to initiate martial expecting that actual majority of American will tolerate it.

God i pray i'm not and he's not right.

-yzur-

by mikel weisser (49 articles, 3 quicklinks, 15 diaries, 87 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:23:41 AM

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...between threatening Martial Law and having it.

When a government goes against 95% of the will of its people it's not a democratic/republic - it's a dictatorship.

We need to tear down the Federal Reserve Bank, White House and Congress brick by brick.

When they kill you (9/11) and rob you of you rights and land, it's called war, not governance.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:29:44 AM

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Had they been threatened by Blackwater mercenaries with assault weapons who said, "Pass this bailout or we'll kill you," they still didn't have to do it.

If you are not prepared to sacrifice your life for your country, you are not qualified to send other people to do so, or to represent people who are.

Nobody makes Congress do anything it doesn't want to do. If Pelosi didn't want to obey Bush, she could have started impeachment proceedings.

And if Democrats didn't want to fleece their constituents, they could have told Pelosi and Bush to go Cheney themselves.

Nobody is forcing Congress to vote for anything any more than anyone is forcing us to vote for Congress. It is done out of greed, stupidity, and false pride. The attitude that we have to support and prop up this system because if we didn't the consequences would be unthinkable, is illogical. The consequences if we continue to support and prop up this system are equally unthinkable. Without it we would no longer be fascists, but what's so frightening about being free? If we tried it, we might like it.

by Mark E. Smith (21 articles, 30 quicklinks, 100 diaries, 1325 comments) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:42:49 AM

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"Nobody is forcing Congress to vote for anything"

by Munich (1 articles, 86 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 1125 comments [86 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:50:44 AM

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Munich wrote:

I spoke with my House Reps aid in DC for about fifteen minutes before they voted on this rapacious giveaway, and I can tell you that I was lied to for almost the entire time. Either these Congress men and woman didn't know what was going on, or they were being threatened by Bush Co. to vote for the Bill, or else?  

Munich, I didn't say that they weren't being threatened. What I said was:

Had they been threatened by Blackwater mercenaries with assault weapons who said, "Pass this bailout or we'll kill you," they still didn't have to do it.

If you are not prepared to sacrifice your life for your country, you are not qualified to send other people to do so, or to represent people who are.

I spoke with my House Reps aid in DC for about fifteen minutes before they voted on this rapacious giveaway, and I can tell you that I was lied to for almost the entire time.

by Mark E. Smith (21 articles, 30 quicklinks, 100 diaries, 1325 comments) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:38:33 AM

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Let me give you another scenario...

A few hundred (perhaps thousand, perhaps even TENS of thousands) march in the streets of Philadelphia to protest the imposition of martial law.

They are told to disperse, and when they do not, they are attacked with very sophisticated anti-crowd weapons that cause the most vile of symptoms.  When a few of the armed protesters shoot back (harmlessly, the weapons are too far away, and the nearer blackwater troops are heavily armoured), the troops begin to fire automatic weapons, leaving hundreds dead in the street.

The crowd disperses.  The media explains.  The rest of the public hides in their homes too afraid to move until the ones that are on "the list" are picked up and carted off to the camps.  The public will be more than happy to let the police know where their neighbors, "those radicals who listen to Air America and have a Coexist sticker on their car" are hiding out.

Martial law is lifted, McCain takes office, and everything proceeds as normal for those that are left.

With around 5 million progressives missing, there are a few more jobs to go around, and things perk up quickly.  When McCain passes quietly in the night, President Palin takes over and establishes the "official religion of the United States," and with everybody going happily to church, and watching TV, life goes on quite fine in the USA.

Eventually, all but a few of the camps are closed down.  Nobody ever knows where the inhabitents went off to, though they are never seen or heard from again.

by Charlie L (2 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 747 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:26:32 PM

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If people are not marching now, they never will. They just borrowed 12,000 for each family of four to give to the top 0.001% who are making trillions from their derivative bets.  These are the same people that are loaning us the money.  The bail out is to pay off the bets to the winners.  It is being repeated in Europe.

This was a test to see how much they could get away with, as was 9/11.  The test showed they can get away with pretty much anything.  More tests to come.

Over the last 150 years, the average man has undergone a profound de-evolution.  There are now 2 distinct species, the elite, and the sheeple.

Sheeple do not march. 

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 601 comments [7 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:13:46 PM

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Whatever the case is, the news report above is real. In effect, the bankers have held a gun to the head of Congress, and it's not the first time in history this has happened.

This should be a wake up call for Americans. For more history on the Fed, read the commentary at:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Banker-s-Trick-Americ-by-Patrick-Henningsen-081003-514.html

by Patrick Henningsen (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 35 comments [8 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 4:00:14 AM

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Patrick, that's an assumption.

It seems logical except in one regard:

A) Bush threatened Congress with being dubbed as "soft on terror" if they didn't pass the Patriot Act.
B) Bush abandoned Katrina victims and ordered food-carrying helicopters to go home. He sat strumming his guitar the next day.

C) He and Cheney threatened Valerie Plame's life by leaking her name because her husband leaked the truth about the WMD's not being existent in Iraq. The lives of other undercover agents for countries overseas were threatened in the process as well.

D) He took us to war based on a lie, killing many AMerican soldiers and Iraqis' in the process (and don't tell me it's "only" 4000 US soldiers dead. Nonsense! That's an under-reported, truncated figure. They only report those who died on the field, not those who died *later on, as a result of it*.)

E) He broke more than 900 laws

F) Etc.....my bet is it's Bush who threatened Martial Law, not the bankers. THey could have been complicit and that makes logical sense, but we must never make assumptions without researching the facts. I don't put this past Bush one bit. Not at all.

by Kathryn Smith (110 articles, 2 quicklinks, 43 diaries, 542 comments [23 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:31:35 AM

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Since 1933, and the instigation of the "Temporary" continuous State of Emergency, the Secretary of Treasury has been granted sweeping powers. In addition, he is the U.S. Governor of the World Bank, IMF, and an alphabet soup of banks.

Pursuant to 22 USC Sec. 286a , the governor of the bank and fund shall not be paid by the U.S. government. He shall be paid by the Federal Reserve Corporation- the private banking system.

If the U.S. does not pay the salary of the "Governor", then "we" don't run America's economy.

The bankers do.

by Jet Graphics (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 42 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:45:36 AM

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Since 1933, and the instigation of the "Temporary" continuous State of Emergency, the Secretary of Treasury has been granted sweeping powers. In addition, he is the U.S. Governor of the World Bank, IMF, and an alphabet soup of banks.

Pursuant to 22 USC Sec. 286a , the governor of the bank and fund shall not be paid by the U.S. government. He shall be paid by the Federal Reserve Corporation- the private banking system.

If the U.S. does not pay the salary of the "Governor", then "we" don't run America's economy.

The bankers do.

by Jet Graphics (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 42 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:45:47 AM

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The people will vote to unseat the larger portion of Congress which needs to be rooted out in order for us to get OUR America back.

If we all stay away from public protests, and warn others to do the same, no matter what "their" plans are "they" cannot succeed in implementing martial law.

THe power lies with us IF we keep the focus on ourselves and what WE can do, instead of on what THEY are doing and how awful THEY are (which they are! this is a criminal matter and nothing less, equivalent to sticking a gun in the face of those in office AND of the entire nation AND of the world economy. Not a funny matter at all).

Criminal as it may be, once again no criminal plans can succeed unless the second hand claps the first hand. We have the power to stay out of trouble, warn others not to participate, let them know of the traps being laid and then we can avoid the whole mess to begin with.

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The community is where it's at, and the community is where the future is going to be at. We must start spreading word about how to survive the upcoming economic crash and martial law.

Mr M I disagree with something you posted earlier to an article I had written: About cannibalism in the cities under conditions of starvation. That presupposes one matter: That people will have no brainstorms and no resources to survive. The survival instinct is strong, and people will come up with creative ways to survive when they have to. See the San Francisco Chronicle's article "San Francisco's Farmland" 10-4-08. See also www.survivingthemiddleclasscrash.wordpress.com What about rooftop gardens on each building, parklands used as gardens, commercial pools turned into fish farms, ocean fishing, and more? Where there is a will (and communal brainstorming which is properly publicized) there is a way!

There could be some crime as a result of this presupposed starvation but the fact is that the more the community gets together, the more we team up with journalists, spread word via internet, and educate others, then the less likely such scenarios are to pass. And the less likelihood of starvation in the first place. We can be part of the solution, but we must work the solution. Let's go!

by Kathryn Smith (110 articles, 2 quicklinks, 43 diaries, 542 comments [23 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:04:53 AM

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That, is I agree that we know how to survive through local urban gardening, co-ops, permaculture, etc. We're very resourceful.

The people will vote to unseat the larger portion of Congress which needs to be rooted out in order for us to get OUR America back.

If we all stay away from public protests, and warn others to do the same, no matter what "their" plans are "they" cannot succeed in implementing martial law.

by Mark E. Smith (21 articles, 30 quicklinks, 100 diaries, 1325 comments) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:59:25 AM

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... your premise is correct - given the time and near complete co-operation of those around you. However once you have actually experienced a total collapse you have no idea of its magnitude or repercussions.

I was here in New Orleans after Katrina and the only solution many were looking for was to get the hell out, and if they couldn't, kill whatever was between them and something to eat.

One: the collapse won't happen gradually. The lights will be shut off rather quickly, faster for sure than you'll have a chance to grow and harvest anything you plant. You'll also have to be able to guard whatever crops you plant 24/7, because a majority of the people won't be heeding your call or listening to the warnings. Too many of them still have their heads stuck too far up their asses to see what's coming.

Two: do you have any idea of the amount of ignorance outside these hollow-halls of intellectual blogesphere? Most people think meat grows into its package and magically appears in their grocery store counters.

Have you even tried to discuss with your neighbors this situation? Even here in a city that has already experienced how a government can abandon you, and more than that kill you, people still cling to a belief that isn't there. Not to mention those fragmented beliefs make it akin to herding cats when it comes to getting people reading off the same page.

Yes, in the long run what you suggest could save some, but when the battle really begins the powers that be have formidable weapons, not the least of which is the cutting off of energy. For not only will we be fighting them, you'll be fighting your neighbors that still believe in a system that isn't broken, but not even there for them, even when it will have been proven to not be there.

In the end there is only one reality - hunger. And the simple fact is not enough people, no matter how hard we try to educate them, will get the message or even if they do start to do something about it before it's too late.

And even if everything were to play out to our advantage, if every roof-top and park were turned into gardens, and we had full co-operation with everyone (an impossibility) there still wouldn't be enough food to go around.

It's the transition that will kill most of us, be it by fascist forces, our own neighbors, or lack of sustainable resources, and whomever survives this transition will have to build a better way from the ashes and upon the graves of both the perpetrators of this genocide and its innocent victims.

I hope you make it, I hope I make it, but hope makes for a good breakfast and a bad dinner and we're way past noon now.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:19:12 AM

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We have ways to survive.

While you still can, read here once again: www.survivingthemiddleclasscrash.wordpress.com/ there are instructions for how to build your own solar generator for about $350, as linked to a website containing yet more instructions how to build your own solar heating panel.

And there are solar crockpots/ovens available here: www.kensolar.com  costing about $250 each. You can also buy solar generators for about $1600 on this site (much cheaper than an electric one).

There are instructions on the web how to make your own solar oven using glass and a cardboard box and tinfoil, for about $10.

People can make sprouts in glass jars from seeds and have greens to eat in a matter of three days.

Gardens can be cultivated on city rooftops, in hallways with lighting done by independent generators such as a solar one available on Kensolar's website.

There are even ways to get around the ignorant and crime-inclined public. Circulate leaflets. Educate. Show them what the options are.

If you insist that there is no hope---as I have seen you consistently do, Mr M---then there won't be. It's all a mindset. If we think Possibility, we have it as long as we act on it. If we think Impossibility, we have it, as long as we don't act on the possibilities. It's our choice.

And I am learning that hopelessness is a choice, as is worry. I refuse to do it anymore. It only makes us sick. LEt's get on with the solutions and stop spreading fear and gloom and doom. That doesn't do any good service in the world and I am sure your intentions are to do good. That's obvious. Thank you Mr M.

by Kathryn Smith (110 articles, 2 quicklinks, 43 diaries, 542 comments [23 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:39:22 AM

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... again what you say can be done. But may a point out a reality to you that may be beneath you to see.

Even with those solutions which you point out, even at their cheapest, without the solar generator, you're talking $600 dollars. Most of the people I know don't have $600 bucks to spare, they're living pay-check to pay-check if they even have a job. And most, when you start talking about what is about to happen glaze over with a look that says you might as well be talking to them about a meteor heading towards Earth.

Does this mean we stop trying? No, of course not. It's just that I'm very close to the streets, I see the enormity of ignorance and know that many, way too many, are going to be caught unprepared. I doubt 1% even know what the hell we talk about here on this blog on a daily basis. And not many in this blog can grasp the veracity of what's coming.

One also must understand that its not just cutting off of energy and Martial Law, if indeed they can't penetrate our defences through those means these sociopaths have weapons that are unimaginable in scoop. They could simply gas us, or spray us from the sky with bio-weapons they've been perfecting that are species specific, or even neutron-bomb any areas that should resist.

Again, this isn't meant to deflate any effort, if anything it's meant to make people even more angry so they will act. I'm just pointing out that for the first few weeks or months after the hammer falls are going to be very ugly and after the dust settles they'll be more dead than alive.

Now that's a hard, hard reality to even envision.

Of course my hope would be things don't go that far, but I have to judge the future from the past and we have seen these cretins murder 3,000 people in broad day-light, use nuclear weapons against cities, gas whole communities, starve entire countries and poison continents, and do so with impunity. So its not far fetched to believe that they would continue to do so on a grander scale, especially if they should witness any kind of organized resistance.

Now maybe I shouldn't dwell on this, perhaps my visions of what could happen are best left unsaid. For I find no solace in discussing these things. These are not subjects that make ones souls sore, but are spirit dampers. But I can assure you that those that would perpatrate these crimes against humanity have no qualms about not only talking about it, but doing it.

With this BS so-called "recovery bill" they just passed we'll be looking like the Wiemar Republic, people are soon going to be looking towards solutions in all the wrong places as the powers-that-be give them more false leaders The people we wish to save will be listening to the very people that put them in the situation they'll find themselves in.

Now granted this will also mean more will be looking for alternatives, but again too many of them will be ill-prepared.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:46:57 PM

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Great comment Mr. M., as always. 

Most of us here know what is really going on.  We need to start focusing our energy on finding positive solutions.  Here's a great site with some ideas on doing this http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com.  In the post titled, "No Better Time than Now.....", you'll find a video which pretty much sums up most of what you've been saying.  This video can easily be copied and distributed.

BTW: I have absolutely no affiliation with this site.  Just passing on the info.

by Mrs P (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:06:55 PM

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Precisely as predicted by Catherine Austin Fitts (www.solari.com) on Coast ot Coast the other day....the criminal High Command at the White House has used any means necessaryto ram this corporate coup of the Republic. This will of course not chock knowledgable people, since Dick Cheney and the fascist gang of COG almost certainly directed the Anthrax attacks against Congress democrats and some liberal media.

Maybe this also explains why some congressmen were near breakdown and tears on the floor.

Regardless, the multi-trillion dollar derrivatives black hole will implode in the next month at the most, get ready for another round with the Imperial White House. Holy Hell....it's revolution time.

 All hail the Corporatocracy!

by Christian de Coninck (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 9 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 4:03:24 AM

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Grow your own food, and you can sweat it out.

by Patrick Henningsen (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 35 comments [8 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:08:44 AM

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make it a large garden. A few tomatoes will not suffice. Once you have a large garden, build a massive and high fence around it. Set up a guard post, an armored shack and camp out there day & night, armed to the hilt and defend your turnips, lettuce and tomatoes. Potatos too. You'll have to be able to shoot and kill if you wanna defend your garden but what to do with the bodies? I gots it, dig pre-emptive graves nearyby.

I hope you can follow what I'm saying. Growing your own produce is not going to work. When people are hungry and the stores are all closed, shelves all empty, you won't be able to defend your pretty little garden.

by Tony Forest (7 articles, 18 quicklinks, 166 diaries, 1429 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:49:21 AM

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Yes there is likelihood of theft, and we can protect our turf. Where there's a will there's a way.

There are even ways to grow food indoors, believe it or not. There actually are large planters available for growing food in city apartments, even odor-free compost bins for city dwellers. Check with your local nursery.

And what's wrong with communal gardening/sharing? If everybody shares, we will all be supplied. My brother-in-law said it this way: "The more we share (from our garden) the more we have". Neighbors give back.

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A man went to hell. People were sitting around a banquet table, staring emptily at the loads of food on the table. Nobody was eating. He asked his guardian angel: "Why are the people staring bleakly at the food and not partaking?" His guardian angel silently pointed. Their arms were bound with broomsticks. They couldn't bend their elbows to feed themselves. So they sat and stared at the loads of food like dangled carrots in front of their eyes. And they suffered. Miserably.

Then the man and his guardian angel went to heaven. In heaven, there was the same darned predicament! The peoples' arms were tied with broomsticks as they sat at this loaded banquet table. 

Yet all the people in heaven were blissfully happy instead of miserable and gloomy. Why?

Because in heaven, everybody fed their neighbor. They reached the food on their plates, and moved their arms to feed their neighbors since they couldn't reach their own mouths.

ANd it was a happy scene indeed.

THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS: IT'S ALL A MINDSET. 

by Kathryn Smith (110 articles, 2 quicklinks, 43 diaries, 542 comments [23 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:48:01 AM

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I can barely afford to feed myself in my city apartment now.  How much can I grow if power's out, I have no windows, and can't afford solar?

I guess I can live on mushrooms for a while...

by UncleSim (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 512 comments [74 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:58:59 AM

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....is very wise. My comment was negative in nature. Kathryn Smith added the positive side to it. I completely agree with Kathryn on this. And I could not have said it better.

It's the truth ! I'm not sh*tting you. 

We're already on another path here. But while on it, I'll add this ; gardening is a must. Communicating and sharing are even greater musts. 

Thanks Kathryn.

by Tony Forest (7 articles, 18 quicklinks, 166 diaries, 1429 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:46:07 PM

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We are supposed to believe that representatives wanted to do the right thing, but were being forced through extortion - so to save us from Martial Law - these guys did what is best for us by caving in to demands.  Is this what we teach our kids? No - the best way to defeat them is to stand up to the threats.

Further, we must probe the insidious malevolence of this lie in a syllogistic sense - being that the argument, and the conclusion of which, is supported by two premises, of which one (major premise - Martial Law being certain if Reps do not acquiesce), contains the term (major term - Threatened) that is the predicate of the (conclusion) - that the passage of said egregious bill was necessary & contingent upon capitulation of these demands - and that they wanted to do the right thing)

Oh joy - they saved us from Martial Law - you guys are great - isn't freedom and democracy wonderful?  I guess we are safe now, at least until the next time these criminals threaten us with unjust laws and brutal force.  I guess we should just go watch TV and shut the hell up.

 "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny" - Thomas Jefferson

by CasaZaza (10 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 202 comments [15 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:03:18 AM

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Although I wrote about Martial Law in my Oped on 9/29
the hysteria around the bail out has more to do with getting Americans ready to accept as a solution to the fiscal crisis (they implicitly caused and accepted) the North American Union and the Amero. The US and Canadian dollars, along with the peso, will be phased out and replaced by a common North American currency called the Amero, which, of course, would eliminate the U.S. Constitution in the process.
I will post my story unless someone else does it for me.

by Robert Singer (31 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 138 comments [4 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:04:00 AM

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Washington, D.C. - Today, Congress approved the $700 billion Wall Street Bailout Bill.  Under the Bill, hundreds of billions of dollars will be used to buy toxic assets currently in safes in London, Shanghai, and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.  Bailed out Wall Street firms will use their bail out money to pay million dollars a month salaries, and to even increase them to two million dollars a month.  (For details, see paper at BradSherman.house.gov.)

• We have to make sure that Paulson spends the money and the orderly rate of less than $50 billion month (as he has promised), not at a frantic pace that spends it all by January 20th, 2009.
•  We have to make sure that Paulson treats all financial entities fairly, whether they be firms he likes, or firms he doesn’t like. (It will take incredible investigative journalism to see whether the executives of any bailed-out firms are making secret contributions to Section 527 organizations, which are responsible for a big chunk of today’s political advertising).
• When a firm receives a billion dollars in bail-out cash, we must report on which of its executives are receiving that cash in the form of salaries in excess of $1 million a year. (The bill allows unlimited salaries to be paid by bailed-out firms, and does not contain a provision preventing the bail-out cash from being used to pay those salaries.)
• Each time a U.S.-headquartered entity sells billions of toxic assets to the Treasury, we must ask whether that U.S. entity is just acting as an intermediary. We must ask whether those toxic assets were in foreign safes on September 20th, 2008. We must be aware of the China two-step (described in a paper at BradSherman.house.gov), in which a foreign investor who made bad business decisions can sell toxic assets to a U.S. entity on Monday, and Paulson can buy those toxic assets with taxpayer dollars on Tuesday.

by Matoska (22 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 33 comments) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:13:43 AM

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Well said. Keep to info coming!

P.

by Patrick Henningsen (7 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 35 comments [8 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:02:35 PM

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Bush's threat of martial law fits my definition of terrorism. Any threat toward Congress, implied or otherwise, is still against federal law.

by John Shriver (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 72 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:01:48 PM

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Congress consented to his authority to declare Martial Law for any reason he deems a National Emergency, and he renewed the state of National Emergency on September 18 for 1 more year.  They never challenged a single Executive Order.  Lets face it, we no longer live under a Constitutional Government.  Our Presidents are in effect dictators, and only those who will serve the elites interests are eligible for our vote.  So vote Obama or McCain, it matters not.

One Congressman told Nader they dare not institute impeachment proceedings for fear of them doing another 9/11. 

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 601 comments [7 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:31:38 PM

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In the interest of accuracy:

Did Bush threaten martial law?  If he did I did not see or read of it anywhere.  The text above correctly states that Speaker Pelosi did.  Last time I checked Speaker Pelosi is a DEMOCRAT.

Watch Rep Brad Sherman a DEMOCRAT from CA discuss this from the floor of the House.  I listened carefully and did not hear the word Bush or President in his statement.  If he is referring to the House leadership, Rep Sherman is a dead duck in the House.  Pelosi will waterboard him for this remark.

If you have any links to Bush threatening martial law, please post them.  Links to MSM reports would be fine.  I could find none.

by Mad Jayhawk (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 652 comments [56 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:20:47 PM

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These videos will change your mind about the election:  Keep your mouse ready to hit the pause button because the backup evidence goes by fast.

Video number 1.  Watch it all.  

Video number 2.  Watch it all. 

You watch.  You are smart.  You decide what the truth is. 

by Mad Jayhawk (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 652 comments [56 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:43:23 PM

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Were the ones who passed this bailout. No excuses. Either they had no balls to stop it or they simply had a vested interest in passing it. In either case it had helped me make my decision NOT to vote for another Republican as long as I live. Spineless crooked creeps.

by Zena Princess (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 89 comments) on Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 3:34:05 PM

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these  2 Cspan videos on a post last night so I am glad to see an article on them. There was a meeting (closed door) of the Finance committee members, Bush, Pelosi and Paulson(maybe I am leaving a person or 2 out) before the Bill went to vote in the House. This meeting is where Bush said if they didn't pass this Bill and pass it now, that there would be trouble across America like over night (Fed express style) and he would indeed have to Declare martial Law. So, many and most members took the FEAR bait and these particular Reps, had the courage to relay to the ppl, that Bush did indeed say this. Well, if something else isn't going to happen, then we can certainly say, we ARE under martial Law and it is only time before Americans will FEEL it and SEE it happening right before their eyes

by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 592 comments [98 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:25:00 AM

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Could you provide a link to the story in the media about this?  I have looked everywhere for the story.  Thanks.

by Mad Jayhawk (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 652 comments [56 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:57:48 AM

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No FREE OUTS for COWARDS!!!!! How could you ever trust your rep again???!!! It's just another FILTHY LIE!!

by Zena Princess (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 89 comments) on Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:27:24 PM

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If this whole episode isn't an impeachable offense than nothing is.

by Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1750 comments [111 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Saturday, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:30:16 PM

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