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September 15, 2008 at 09:10:02

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McCain Vs Obama on Healthcare Reform

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                  Healthcare Reform: Obama verses McCain 

       I have just read both versions of Healthcare Reform as presented by the Republicans and the Democrats.  How either is considered reform escapes me.  Reform implies a great change intended to improve the quality or performance of an item.  Few of the current healthcare deficiencies would be improved by these proposals. The problems with the current system that must be addressed include too many people with insufficient or no coverage, too high a cost for the products (drugs, procedures, etc.), too much manipulation of patient care by the insurers, too many healthcare dollars being divided up in board rooms and on Wall Street, and no way to track and control abuse by providers, suppliers, institutions, and especially of the health insurance industry itself.  If these problems were corrected, it would still be only one half of the reform we need.       

     The other half of the needed reform is in the financial aspects.  Our economy is hurting and most people already feel the crunch.  As reported by Ross Perot at http://perotcharts.com/, 53% of our current Federal spending is non-discretionary.  In other words, we have no choice but to  spend that percentage just to get by.  That leaves approximately 37% to spend on everything else (defense, roads, etc) including healthcare reform.  It is clear that what ever we do with healthcare has to be fundable. That does not mean we can just dump it on the taxpayers.  We need to look at what we have in place, both in structure of the current system and how we fund the current system, and keep as much as is reasonable,to save money, then to reform the rest.  It is the only way we can get a non-watered down version of Healthcare Reform that we can fund for years to come. 

       It is clear that a free market system only works if the product can be taken or left behind.  Healthcare cannot adhere to that constraint.  When you need it, you have little choice. The system we have in place is based in the free market and it clearly does not, and cannot, work.  Now, what is offered by our “reform candidates”?

        John McCain’s plan is simply more of the same.  He wants to expand insurance in the private sector, often at taxpayer expense.  This also means further profits for those insurance companies who participate. Aren’t they already bleeding us dry while restricting care in order to do so?  His plan would deregulate the insurance market in a way that would allow a person to buy health insurance across state lines.  The downside is that the current regulations are the only reasons some companies cover patients as thoroughly as they do.  Removing these regulations may free them of that requirement.  He also wants to move away from fee-for-service opting for a bundled payment approach.  There is no surer way to get providers to work less hours and to see fewer patients.  How many cars would be assembled on a line if a workers pay was bundled into one lump payment, giving them little or no incentive to work harder.  Lastly, by making the cost of care visible to the patient, McCain feels they would shop for cheaper products and insurance.  What a misperception.  This is such a complicated business and the products and insurance plans are so confusing and incomprehensible that the average person will not be able to barter their cost downwward by any amount.

       The Obama plan at least makes a gesture in the right direction, but still relies heavily on the private insurance companies.   He would set up a government backed public health insurance plan, somewhat on the Medicare system, and would let people with expensive coverage or no coverage to pick between the private or the public sectors.  This would potentially expand the number of persons covered, but would be terribly expensive to the taxpayer.  By allowing this voluntary shift, the healthy, low cost patient could stay in the private sector (with his premium profit margin going into the afore mentioned board rooms) while the high cost patient would wind up in the public sector where his premium deficit could be shouldered by the taxpayers.  Further, people choosing not to participate in any plan would still wind up costing the taxpayers anytime they were sick and needed care. There are no funds of these folks anywhere.  Obama is counting on letting the Bush tax breaks expire as partial financing for this plan, but with our current national economy and deficit, how much tax money can we really afford to commit?

        I am very disappointed in each of these proposals.  They seem to represent a gross misunderstanding of what is needed and/or of mindlessly compromising with those persons and industries that are opposed to healthcare reform.  There are other plans available.  Some can be instituted in the upper and lower age groups now, and then scaled to include all age groups as funding and infrastructure improve.  This is a major reform for us, and knowing how slow congress is to repair its mistakes; I would rather get it right the first time. 

Mark Green MD

14Sept2008

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I am an average person who happens to be very concerned about the state of health care delivery in the United States. So many politicians and other persons of interest spread so much misinformation about reform, the only way to make it happen is to mobilize average Americans. This is my first attempt to expose my ideas to criticism. This is not a professional web site and it is crude. It should, however, allow me to get some feedback on the potential to generate some controversy.I am 55 years old, married to my wife Debbie for 30 years, and have four children. I am a medical doctor, and have my master's degree in Microbiology/Immunology. I practice general internal medicine in Maryville, Tennessee, at Blount Memorial Hospital where I am currently Chief Of Staff.My hobbies include hiking in the Great Smokey Mountains, learning the guitar, and writing poems. I have a collection of various firearms, though I do not hunt. I ride my motorcycle (Dynaglide) daily and work out in the gym at least twice a week.Mark Green MD

 

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The author is a very "with-it" old lady who aspires to bring a bit of truth, justice, and commom sense to a nation that has lost touch with its humanity in the search for societal "perfection".
Mary PittThe author is a very "with-it" old lady who aspires to bring a bit of truth, justice, and commom sense to a nation that has lost touch with its humanity in the search for societal "perfection".

Another physician who can see the writing on the wall!

Every one I have spoken with about the problem agrees that "Medicare for All" is the only good answer.  All are willing to accept the reduced reimbursement that Medicare and Medicaid provide in return for the freedom from the expenses of billing, collecting, and fighting with the insurance companies.  The consumer would also benefit from being free of the ever-increasing costs of insurance premiums which the profiteers who are the executives and shareholders of those companies fatten.

 

Voters should be made to understand the semantics of the situation.  Politicians speak of "re-forming" the system of health care and we hear them say they will "reform" it, which is quite a different thing.  Unless the people make enough noise and remove enough officials, there is no way they will sign the death warrant for the profit-hungry monopolists of the drug and insurance companies.  Some of us, however, will grieve as sincerely as they do when we "hit the donut hole" and have to decide whether to buy food or medicine.

The "single-payer plan" proposed by Dennis Kucinich is the only way to solve the problem and the longer it takes for that fact to be recognized and implemented, the longer the American people will suffer neglect.

by Mary Pitt (68 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 205 comments) on Monday, September 15, 2008 at 12:02:13 PM
 


I am an average person who happens to be very concerned about the state of health care delivery in the United States. So many politicians and other persons of interest spread so much misinformation about reform, the only way to make it happen is to mobilize average Americans. This is my first attempt to expose my ideas to criticism. This is not a professional web site and it is crude. It should, however, allow me to get some feedback on the potential to generate some controversy.I am 55 years ol...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Mark GreenI am an average person who happens to be very concerned about the state of health care delivery in the United States. So many politicians and other persons of interest spread so much misinformation about reform, the only way to make it happen is to mobilize average Americans. This is my first attempt to expose my ideas to criticism. This is not a professional web site and it is crude. It should, however, allow me to get some feedback on the potential to generate some controversy.I am 55 years ol...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Mobilizing the Voters For Healthcare Reform

Dear Ms. Pitt, 

You are 100% correct.  The only way for us to get a reasonable universal health plan passed is to mobilize the voters.  I am not as familiar with Dennis Kucinich and his plan for healthcare reform, but I will be in the next 12-24 hours.  As I have written elsewhere, I have problems with SB840 and HR676, as well.  If we can get reform implemented, it would be wonderful if we could get it right the first time. 

Thanks for; the comment, 

Mark Green

15Sept2008 

by Mark Green (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 34 comments) on Monday, September 15, 2008 at 6:25:19 PM
 


I have worked as Union Electrician in a good part of this land. And the Union Brothers taught me well about how things should work
Michael DeweyI have worked as Union Electrician in a good part of this land. And the Union Brothers taught me well about how things should work

How

Comment from Ratings:   I have been after better health care since I heard Kennedy say around 79 or 80, there was a huge problem looming, or such.

But in a complicated world we need to Nationalize Oil, the Telephone and even cable on local levels to pay the health providers in the city, counties and states of where the operate.

Why can't gas stations be set up like the Post Office is today?

Not that I want D.C. to control health care. I just want the trash/cash from communities to stay local so we can take care of ourselves.

by Michael Dewey (4 articles, 1 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 213 comments) on Monday, September 15, 2008 at 8:25:32 PM
 


I am an average person who happens to be very concerned about the state of health care delivery in the United States. So many politicians and other persons of interest spread so much misinformation about reform, the only way to make it happen is to mobilize average Americans. This is my first attempt to expose my ideas to criticism. This is not a professional web site and it is crude. It should, however, allow me to get some feedback on the potential to generate some controversy.I am 55 years ol...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Mark GreenI am an average person who happens to be very concerned about the state of health care delivery in the United States. So many politicians and other persons of interest spread so much misinformation about reform, the only way to make it happen is to mobilize average Americans. This is my first attempt to expose my ideas to criticism. This is not a professional web site and it is crude. It should, however, allow me to get some feedback on the potential to generate some controversy.I am 55 years ol...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Better healthcare

I don’t think Americans would stand for socialized medicine, but I do feel we need a single payer derived from Medicare.  Funding still needs to come from many of the same sources, including some personal responsibility.  It’s the only way I can see to keep costs as low as we can while giving each person as much coverage  as we can pay for. 

We need a better popular plan than I have read so far. 

Mark Green

by Mark Green (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 34 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 9:47:32 PM
 


Aka "Peace Brother", I am a health professional and writer interested in promoting global peace and justice.
Kris MalmquistAka "Peace Brother", I am a health professional and writer interested in promoting global peace and justice.

McCain's Tired Old Rhetoric

If I hear McCain say "My opponent wants to let the government tell you which doctor you can go to and he wants to raise your taxes and I believe Americans should decide which doctor they go to and I'm going to lower your taxes" one more time, I'm gonna throw up. Unfortunately, for all too many trusting, naive souls down here in the heart of the My Country Right or Wrong Bible Belt, simply trotting this tired old horse out from the Republican stable in front of the cameras is sufficient to ensure their votes in November.

All they hear is "this guy wants to lower my taxes and thinks I should be able to decide which doctor I go to see" and that's good enough for them. I wonder who's going to pay for the 3 Trillion Plus + "War on Terror" we find ourselves quagmired in? Not McCain. I suppose he'll just let the Democrats pay for it.

It's scary how many people can be convinced to vote for someone based on these shallow sound bites the Republicans have been using for as long as anyone can remember.

by Kris Malmquist (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 107 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 7:10:35 AM
 


I have worked as Union Electrician in a good part of this land. And the Union Brothers taught me well about how things should work
Michael DeweyI have worked as Union Electrician in a good part of this land. And the Union Brothers taught me well about how things should work

Right

 Why in the world would we want to let D.C. tell US which Doctor we should see.  They can't see passed their nose, for what is in their eyes.  D.C. doesn't tell the Post Office where to mail letters.  That P.O. is one form of Socialism that is working just fine he in the U.S. of A.  I think we have to keep trying to fight the big-a-tree on the right by telling them Socialism is not un-constitutional.  They tried to form a more perfect Union, so doesn't that make US all Union People?

by Michael Dewey (4 articles, 1 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 213 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 11:31:09 AM
 


I am an average person who happens to be very concerned about the state of health care delivery in the United States. So many politicians and other persons of interest spread so much misinformation about reform, the only way to make it happen is to mobilize average Americans. This is my first attempt to expose my ideas to criticism. This is not a professional web site and it is crude. It should, however, allow me to get some feedback on the potential to generate some controversy.I am 55 years ol...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Mark GreenI am an average person who happens to be very concerned about the state of health care delivery in the United States. So many politicians and other persons of interest spread so much misinformation about reform, the only way to make it happen is to mobilize average Americans. This is my first attempt to expose my ideas to criticism. This is not a professional web site and it is crude. It should, however, allow me to get some feedback on the potential to generate some controversy.I am 55 years ol...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Sound Bites

Agree. We need a lot more that sound bites to correct what is wrong with our country.  Unfortunately, many folks vote only for the candidate who is in their sphere of comfort.  Issues seem to matter little.  Until we can actually get people to look at the issues, like healthcare reform, the political pendulum will simply swing right or left depending on the general frustration of the votes at that instant.  There does not seem to be any real political education wanted or given, only dogma and emotion. God Help Us! Mark Green 

by Mark Green (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 34 comments) on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 9:39:37 PM
 


Insurance Tease is a small business concern, that is to say, concerned with the debacle called the American Health Care System.
InsuranceTeaseDOTcomInsurance Tease is a small business concern, that is to say, concerned with the debacle called the American Health Care System.

McVain Vs. Obama

Hi Mark,

So I read, I hear, I watch all kinds of discussions about wanting to get it right the first time, namely yours.  But, eh, the legislation that's on the table now (SB 840), written on parchment, pen in hand, sweating brow looming overhead, has the advantage of being ready.  Now we could do as you suggest and try to forge a new grass roots effort to bang out a really good, even perfect piece of legislation in... what five years? 

Then there's your statement about socialized medicine.  Well, neither SB 840 nor HR 676 are, strictly speaking, socialist.  There close, but there are too many choices still available to really qualify.

So if I was to have my druthers I would choose the one in the hand vs. the two coming after Bush.

by InsuranceTeaseDOTcom (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 41 comments) on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 12:16:03 AM
 


I am an average person who happens to be very concerned about the state of health care delivery in the United States. So many politicians and other persons of interest spread so much misinformation about reform, the only way to make it happen is to mobilize average Americans. This is my first attempt to expose my ideas to criticism. This is not a professional web site and it is crude. It should, however, allow me to get some feedback on the potential to generate some controversy.I am 55 years ol...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Mark GreenI am an average person who happens to be very concerned about the state of health care delivery in the United States. So many politicians and other persons of interest spread so much misinformation about reform, the only way to make it happen is to mobilize average Americans. This is my first attempt to expose my ideas to criticism. This is not a professional web site and it is crude. It should, however, allow me to get some feedback on the potential to generate some controversy.I am 55 years ol...

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Plan schman, we need something that works out of the box.

Hey InsuranceT, 

The time is near. The temptation is great. The brows are sweating.  The pen is in hand. Hey, doesn’t that remind you of Bush at the start of the war.  Boy would we like a do over.  HR676 was introduced in early 2007 and is simply sitting in committee.  It will cost so much to implement, part of which is to buy out fixed assets of the current insurance plans, that I don’t think it will get out of committee.  SB840 may pass in California, but has little chance with the rest of corporate/lobbyist America.  What if they both passed? 

Also, I just think it would be really interesting to see us average folks taking over our congress and making them to do our bidding.  Exciting, Huh.  

I didn’t mean to imply that either HR676 or SB840 were socialized. Just that I don’t think a socialized plan would work for us, and also that I have problems with both of these plans. 

I have survived the launching of TennCare, which could have worked but failed miserably.  I feel any plan we adopt will have to have strong provider support to make it work.  Once popularized, I doubt the provider support will be there for either of these plans.  One plan wants unlimited benefits but on a finite budget (I would hate to be paid toward the end of the fiscal year).  The other plan keeps too many “for profit” options to suit me. I am willing to let my reimbursement continue to fall, but not while the insurance company executives are maintaining theirs. 

My druthers would be to finish fleshing out a better plan, to have enough people to take ownership of said plan, hence our plan, and then to cram it down congresses throat in the afore mentioned voter empowerment.  

I still think that would be incredible. 

Mark    

 

by Mark Green (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 34 comments) on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 10:34:19 PM
 


Insurance Tease is a small business concern, that is to say, concerned with the debacle called the American Health Care System.
InsuranceTeaseDOTcomInsurance Tease is a small business concern, that is to say, concerned with the debacle called the American Health Care System.

Bloody two rocks with one bird. It's easier.

Chuckle...  I don't know if I'm rubbing off on you or you I, but I like your sense of humor.

To quote you, paraphrasing me, "The time is near. The temptation is great. The brows are sweating.  The pen is in hand. Hey, doesn’t that remind you of Bush at the start of the war?" 

I added the question mark, Mark, you had forgotten it.  And hell yeah I'd LOVE a do over.  But in the case of H.R. 676 it has built within it, much like our Constitution, the ability to change and adapt over time.  And unlike the war on Iraq we do know that the insurance industry does have weapons of mass destruction. 

ANY new health care bill will cost alot to implement.  On where you wrote, "...part of which is to buy out fixed assets of the current insurance plans,..."  It is true that this is a part of HR 676, but so is allowing those currently invested in the Health Insurance Fraud, I mean fiasco, I mean debacle, er, scam... (you know what I mean) to divest from those holding and reinvest in something more savory... like arms dealing.  So I am less concerned about that facet of H.R. 676.  

As for S.B. 840 passing in California - that totally depends on how quickly the Schwarts recovers from his cranial-anal inversion.  And if they both pass, well federal law superceeds state law so H.R. 676 would override S.B. 840.  I wouldn't mind a bit.

by InsuranceTeaseDOTcom (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 41 comments) on Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 6:14:57 PM
 

 

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