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August 6, 2008 at 04:29:25

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Lesser Evils

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We are all tired of it. In most modern elections we have had no choice but to vote for the candidate we least dislike; the candidate we least fear; the one we least distrust; the candidate who will do the least damage. In determining who that candidate is, we are often wrong as evidenced by the current state of national affairs.



Lesser Evil: Isn't it Obvious?

Every generation automatically believes they are experiencing current events that are new and novel. Because this is the first time they have experienced them, it causes the misperception that the events themselves are occurring for the first time. But people have been choosing the lesser evil since the very dawn of man. It is also the best way - indeed the only way - to make responsible decisions, not only in a political contest but in our everyday lives.

The simple reason for this is that no human is devoid of evil. We all have living within us the capacity for committing monstrously evil acts depending upon the circumstances. Most of us cannot know with absolute certainty how we will respond in any given situation that we have not already experienced personally. We tell ourselves we do, but we all know it's only a lie we tell ourselves to feel better.

Since we cannot know precisely what we, ourselves, would do in certain circumstances, it is impossible to predict with certainty how another would act. That leaves us with only past conduct and personal perceptions to rely on when choosing the lesser evil.

First, I want to be clear that the term "lesser evil" is being used more as a political colloquialism than a condemnation of a person's soul. Barack Obama, while possessing that common trait that lives in all of us is not evil. At least no more so than the rest of us. Political positions can be at variance with one's preferences without making the person taking those positions "evil." But there are many political positions that are definitely evil and they can reflect on the character of their purveyors.

Those positions are usually the ones that deal with human rights. A position that it is okay to torture someone is evil and should severely affect the reputation of its owner. Other positions, such as waging war without cause or provocation, racism and bigotry, disrespect for the truth and the rule of law, and a belief that it's okay to lie to the people who elected you until you get caught are evil, and they go directly to the character of the person.

Only one of two people will be elected this year, and only one is the lesser of two evils. If you throw your vote away on a third party candidate with no chance of winning, you will make absolutely no difference for whatever issues you care about. Your vote will not count for anything at all except helping to elect someone who is a thousand times less receptive and supportive of your ideas and the nation's needs than Obama.

Obama is the lesser evil because his positions and past conduct are less evil than McCain's. He was against unprovoked war with a country that posed no threat to us. He wants to end that war. McCain cheerleads for another century of death and destruction, another 100 years of bullets and bombs and blood, another 10 decades of deficits and dollar devaluation. That is a truly evil position.

Obama wants direct diplomacy with a world that is simply sick and tired of America playing the role of bully and screwing up everything it touches. The world wants Obama so badly because they want desperately to love the United States again. Most of them don't hate us, they hate the idiot in the White House and his policies that should disgust anyone. McCain mocks even the idea of true diplomacy. He says that's the kind of thing Paris Hilton and Britney Spears do. He thinks it's a bad idea for the people of nations around the world to love an American president. Opposing diplomacy in favor of war and "tough" talk is a truly evil position.

Obama wants a healthcare system that works for everyone. McCain wants a healthcare system that continues to work everyone over. Obama wants tax cuts for the middle class. McCain wants the rich to get richer at the expense of the middle class. Taking from the poor and giving to the rich is a truly evil position.

On these issues and many more, McCain has chosen the truly evil position - one that is not merely a colloquialism, but evil in the social and spiritual sense of the word. The closest Obama has come to a truly evil position was on the FISA "compromise." I was furious over it. He shouldn't have capitulated because it was the wrong thing for the country, but it is not inherently evil like the positions McCain has taken. I also have a feeling that Obama will work with the overwhelmingly Democratic Congress he will have during his first term to correct the FISA mistake and several other Bush-era edicts.

Obama's message of hope and change is one that is desperately needed right now. McCain has based his entire campaign on preserving the status quo and negativity.

I've seen some comments about Obama being the "Bilderberg" candidate, that he was catapulted to be the Democratic nominee because he was beholden to corporatists and the New World Order power elite. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Nobody even knew who he was until he delivered his stirring convention speech. That's when everyone took notice of him. He ran in the primary against incredible odds. He wasn't even talked about as a possible nominee. He beat the woman who had the race won before it even started, and he did it because he is the people's choice. EVERYTHING that brought him the nomination was because the people believe in him. They want him to be the person who represents them on the world stage. He inspires them.

When all is said and done, even with the disagreements I might have with some of his positions, Barack Obama is the best viable presidential candidate in decades, better than any of us could ever have hoped for before he showed up. He has the potential to be one of the best presidents this country has ever known. He holds promise, and that is not something anyone could say about McCain.


Fear or Freedom? Take your pick.

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JC Garrett is a freelance writer and Constitutional scholar from the piney-woods of East Texas. He apologizes to the entire world that the great Lone Star State could have produced the neo-Neanderthal currently occupying the Oval Office. "I'm not ashamed to be an American. I'm ashamed George W. Bush is an American." Mr. Garrett owns and operates an independent recording studio, plays several instruments, writes, sings, and produces music. His stories have appeared in Political Affairs Magazine, ACLU FreedomWire, Online Journal, Infowars, Prison Planet, OpEd News, Consortium News, The Intelligence Daily, Democratic Underground, Truthdig, The Memory Hole, Wired, World Prout Assembly, and local publications.

 

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Hater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired
John HanksHater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired

In the current emergency which is just like those before.

Voting for a third party candidate is just moral self-indulgence.  The two-party con job will prevail, until many millions more people understand how it works.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1483 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 12:08:18 PM
 


Frank returned in 2006 from military service in Iraq. He is a Utahn, and a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. His personal weblog is called Simple Utah Mormon Politics. He is a computer programmer/designer. he and his wife are the parents of 5 children.
Frank StaheliFrank returned in 2006 from military service in Iraq. He is a Utahn, and a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. His personal weblog is called Simple Utah Mormon Politics. He is a computer programmer/designer. he and his wife are the parents of 5 children.

Enough with the Lesser of Two Evils Crap

We have been voting for the lesser of two evils for the past hundred years, and look where it has gotten us.  Political evil, pure and simple.  The establishment democrats and establishment republicans are on balance no different.  Not really even when it comes to the Supreme Court justices they appoint.  This is by design.  McCain and Obama are on balance no different.  This is also by design.  In the office of US President these similarities between parties are so clear and so observable that I'm surprised you can't see them.

It has been imperative in presidential elections gone by and still is imperative that we vote third party to ensure that the rascals in both establishment parties understand that we aren't going to take their crap anymore.  If we'd been doing that instead of looking at Wilson, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon, the Bushes, and the Clintons as our saviors from the previous lesser of two evils, we would be in a far healthier national situation.

The road less travelled makes all the difference.  But most Americans are afraid to take it.  Instead, after taking the road always travelled, they come to the wrong fork in the road and think that they still have a choice.  How sad.

SimpleUtahMormonPolitics.com

by Frank Staheli (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 1:00:01 PM
 


A concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.
PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

No Candidate is Perfect

So the best candidate running will always be the less of two or more evils. 

God I hate that idiom!  There are very few truly evil people, maybe none.  Everyone is flawed.  The election is about choosing the best from among the flawed candidates.  Choosing to vote for someone who has no realistic chance of winning makes you a flawed voter, but I won't say it makes you an evil one.  You are just refusing to help elect the best available candidate for President.

 

by PrMaine (13 articles, 12 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 417 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 2:36:21 PM
 


American Expat in Asia
pftAmerican Expat in Asia

You are so wrong

We are a pathocracy, led by psychopaths practicing the Politics of Ponerolgy. Their mission in life is the neo-malthusian goal to depopulate and enslave the planet under the guise of globalization. They believe the end justifies the means, and as they are superior people, compared to "normal" people, they believe they are entitled to make such judgements and determine who among the normal people lives and who dies.

The term "ponerology" came from the Greek word, poneros, meaning "evil" and the ponerology basically means a theology study or research on the nature of evil.   In the case for the term "Political Ponerology," it is a science discipline or study on the nature of evil within the political world.

Many are like you and believe Evil does not really exist, at least not in America, and if it does, the religous will say God will deal with it and if it becomes too much they believe they will be raptured away, and so isolate themselves from those who might be Evil by dealing only with those who believe what they believe. 

The atheists or secular religous who treat religion mainly as a social activity, deny the concept of Evil entirely.   People at home are products of society, the poor and underpriveliged, or the greedy may do bad things, but thats about as far as it will go, and they will be punished by the law.    These people are unprotected, since they do not see Evil as an enemy they must defend against.  The same people who tell you there is no such  thing as evil also tell you there is no truth to any Conspiracy Theory, since this is where the evil lurks.

The psychopathic elite believe Lucifer liberated man, showing him the truth that there is no truth. All morality, or sins, are mere conventions to dull the masses. Those who can, do. Morality is a restraint preventing man from achieving that which he desires, and is evil. All religion is simply superstition, the enemy of "Liberty". The freedom they fight for is the freedom to do what they wish. Therefore, they worship Lucifer as he represents freedom, and since the son of god that enslaves mans with rules called sins, he is the enemy.

Hegel proposed that history was the unfolding of an idea, as God coming to know himself. It is man who becomes God as he overcomes superstition, and liberating himself. Our elites are Gods, so they believe.

In Platos  "Republic" he outlined the basis of the future totalitarian state, ruled by the elite he called "philosopher kings", or "guardians". The Republic provided the basis for communism and fascism, the elimination of marriage and the family, compulsory education, the use of eugenics by the state, and the employment of deceptive propaganda methods.

Our leaders worship at the alter of Hegel and Plato, all of them followers of Lucifer. This is their secret religion, and we live under their rules. They see themselves as Gods. They dictate, we obey. Those who do not obey their rules are sinners, and punished. Those who do not work, will not eat.

Our Presidents have become figureheads, and pawns of the psychopathic elite.  You can pick McCain and Obama, and nothing much will change.  The downward spiral America is on will continue it's acceleration.  Anyone who tries to change it will end up like JFK.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.  Voting for the lesser evil has been tried time and time again, always with the same result, especially over the last 44 years.  Doing it again is insane.

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 576 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 9:26:18 PM
 


A concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.
PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

Insanity

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.  Voting for the lesser evil has been tried time and time again, always with the same result, especially over the last 44 years.  Doing it again is insane.

The scientist works in a laboratory for decades doing failed experiment after failed experiment until he dies.  Another takes up the effort, and another and another and then finally the cure for cancer is found.  This is not idiocy it is quite rational persistance.  Insanity, or at the very least immaturity, is in giving up.

For the last 44 years we have not voted for the same candidates again and again, but in fact we have, as a country, recognized that our President will be either a Democrat or a Republican and we have tried to select the better of the two.  We've had some good Presidents in that time and we have had some truly awful ones.  Insanity, or at the very least immaturity, would be giving up on the system and refusing to participate in it because it sometimes yields bad results.

Work for a better system if you want to.  Our electoral system could certainly be improved and we know of good ways to improve it.  Simply not voting or equivalently, voting for a candidate who has no chance of winning is not one of those ways.  That is simply being insane, or at the very least sadly immature. 

by PrMaine (13 articles, 12 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 417 comments) on Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 8:44:23 AM
 


houston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.
Houston Radicalhouston liberal, professional, self employed, believe that liberal means social justice, economic fairness, and human rights trump economic concerns.

Here's some Math - just to throw in a little logic in here

Some say we need a third party.

Yea - that will solve everything, because everyone knows that when 300,000,000 people have to decide between only 2 people, then it's inevitable that they'll have to pick the one they dislike least.

So if we have 3 to choose from, then we can all agree that 300,000,000 people will be able to pick the candidate they like!

Right?

Hmmmmmm, the math seems a little shaky here doesn't it?

Ohhhhhhh, I see, we'll have to increase it to 4, that will do the trick, right?

I guess maybe only 4 candidates will still leave a few people picking the lesser of two evils, but at least most of the 300,000,000 will be able to pick who they want right?

Maybe not, how about 10, yea, that's the ticket, 10 candidates.

Er, no, maybe 100. Of course. Surely 300,000,000 people can pick who they like out of 100 candidates ...

Get the point? To say that picking the lesser is what got us into this mess is self-indicting of one's ignorance.

We will never have 1, 2, 3, 10 or 100 candidates who will make all 300,000,000 of us happy. So we have to COMPRIMISE.

Comprimise is what politics is all about, and we all do it every day at work, at home, with our kids, co-workers, relatives, etc.

Those who insist on getting everything they want just don't get it.

by Houston Radical (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 82 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 8:39:59 PM
 


Doug Rogers is a composer and playwright and for many years designed ladies' sweaters. He is now a student again at Empire State College in Buffalo NY.
Doug RogersDoug Rogers is a composer and playwright and for many years designed ladies' sweaters. He is now a student again at Empire State College in Buffalo NY.

If you understand the problem then show some backbone

Actually we haven't always voted for the lesser of two evils.  From the Populists to the Progressives to Eugene Debs and Norman Thomas, third party voting was robust and effective from the 1890's through the 1920's and it didn't always lead to a victory for conservatives.  Third party voting ended with Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal.  From that time Progressives felt at home in the Democratic Party. 

That progressive consensus ended in the 1990's when the Democrats jettisoned their New Deal principles and became a full blown Corporatist party.  Since then Progressives have been timid and whiny in exerting any electoral muscle. 

If the problem is corporate control of the decisions of our society (which it is) then how are our issues served by voting for a corporate candidate?  Here's news:  Universal healthcare will not be enacted, the environment will not be saved and foreign policy will continue as it always has unless the people take real power away from the corporations.  Do you think Obama voted for telecom immunity in the FISA bill because it will win centrist votes?  Or is it because he really serves AT&T?

If you think the Democrats are so much better than the Republicans then why don't you convince the roughly half of American voters who understandably don't bother to show up, not the people who see the problem and are casting their votes according to what they believe?

by Doug Rogers (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 114 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 1:49:50 PM
 


JC Garrett is a freelance writer and Constitutional scholar from the piney-woods of East Texas. He apologizes to the entire world that the great Lone Star State could have produced the neo-Neanderthal currently occupying the Oval Office.

"I'm not ashamed to be an American. I'm ashamed George W. Bush is an American."

Mr. Garrett owns and operates an independent recording studio, plays several instruments, writes, sings, and produces music.

His stories have ...

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JC GarrettJC Garrett is a freelance writer and Constitutional scholar from the piney-woods of East Texas. He apologizes to the entire world that the great Lone Star State could have produced the neo-Neanderthal currently occupying the Oval Office.

"I'm not ashamed to be an American. I'm ashamed George W. Bush is an American."

Mr. Garrett owns and operates an independent recording studio, plays several instruments, writes, sings, and produces music.

His stories have ...

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Nothing to do with "parties"

This has nothing to do with Democrats v. Republicans. It's about who will be the next president, and it will only be Obama or McCain.

There are a lot of congressional Dems that need to be replaced. Pelosi, Reid, Rockefeller, and many, many others are as bad or worse than most Republicans. They have betrayed their constituents who gave them power to make things right.

All that matters in this presidential election is who will end up in the White House. It will be Obama or McCain - NOBODY ELSE will have even a slight chance. Period. That is reality. Anyone who says different is either significantly impaired, or a bold-faced liar.

You will vote for one or the other. Any vote you cast that is not for Obama is a vote for McCain. There is no rationalizing that away. To deny it is simply to lie.

by JC Garrett (40 articles, 65 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 604 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 6:17:27 PM
 


B.Soc.Sci (Aus). Helped start an Organic Food Co-op and a Local Energy Transfer System (goods & services exchange, no cash). Lived near permaculture's Bill Mollison for a time, saw semi barren land transformed into gardens and orchards. Worked in a Community Support Center. Currently in NZ/ Aotearoa.
AuroraB.Soc.Sci (Aus). Helped start an Organic Food Co-op and a Local Energy Transfer System (goods & services exchange, no cash). Lived near permaculture's Bill Mollison for a time, saw semi barren land transformed into gardens and orchards. Worked in a Community Support Center. Currently in NZ/ Aotearoa.

please remember

that there are people who are paid to confuse the issues - who are paid to swing whatever votes they can - who are paid to cause confusion on sites such as oen, prior to an election. It is right here, that the war for the future is being waged, in the crucial realm of thought and belief.

Don't allow yourself (the reader) to be confused - the truth is often very clear.  Don't let them take that from you.

(thanks jcg)

by Aurora (0 articles, 57 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 507 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 11:03:44 PM
 


I am a full-on results oriented person that has taken the task of being a compliance consultant on numerous subject matters. I am a firm believer (90%) that the ideals and values expressed in www.zeitgeist.com is relevant information and we are all being led to the global slaughterhouse. "chips" a-hoy everyone, that cell phone you're using is just s prime example of how the "hall Monitors of Society" are tracking you everywhere you go. It's the New World crack addiction.
Elliott Van ReamerI am a full-on results oriented person that has taken the task of being a compliance consultant on numerous subject matters. I am a firm believer (90%) that the ideals and values expressed in www.zeitgeist.com is relevant information and we are all being led to the global slaughterhouse. "chips" a-hoy everyone, that cell phone you're using is just s prime example of how the "hall Monitors of Society" are tracking you everywhere you go. It's the New World crack addiction.

Oh wake up!

This is all a sham alltogether. Politics are BS, and the numb-nuts that "somehow" got their nominations are one in the same. Moreover, getting towards the November voting date we'll see them both with the same policies. They are nothing less than an arbitrary role play put into position until the Amero is forced on us. They both share EU values and policies. The difference is that the current administration and Repubs are fixing their own selves up to be rich so they will be least likely to have to put up with the future agenda. They will have the fortitude to run away from it or they will have the $$$ to buy their way out of everything, as they do now.  The Dems on the other hand want everyone to think that they are for The People. Oh yeah, whatever. They will run us into even more debt that will sponsor some sort of US bankruptcy. That dump Mexico and the Cannucks and the US will all be one country soon. Allegedly we can pool resources as an alliance and fight the rest of the World, since they will all be here with their armies to enforce payment for debintures that we will renege on. I am sorry to say "dump' about Mexico, but with the US and Canada right here, and the non-citizens visiting for jobs (they have been here quite awhile now) have done nothing to help their own country prosper, not even to put up a fight for their own sovereignty; it is sad and pathetic. And your citizens still stop at nothing to run here in droves, and to aspire to what? Be slaves to the Man?! Duh! what the F*^% is wrong with their loser government anyhow? This is my last call to the Americans to take back the country. If we wait any longer there won't be a country. okay... have another cup of coffee....

by Elliott Van Reamer (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 2:03:00 PM
 


I'm a 29 year old male. 
TyI'm a 29 year old male. 

Mexican government

The Mexican government is a puppet of the US government. The Mexican people have put up more of a fight for their sovereignty than Americans have for theirs. Unlike Americans the Mexicans put up a fight when Felipe Calderon was installed as the Mexican dictator in a fraudulent election. The Mexican people are also trying to keep their state oil company from being privatized. Mexicans come to America so they can make enough money to survive.

by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 888 comments) on Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 11:56:16 AM
 


Bia Winter is an Artist/Writer from Maine, and has been an activist and letter-writer since the 60's. In 2004 she received the Roger Baldwin Award from the Maine American Civil Liberties Union for furthering Democracy after she got a Resolution Against the USA"Patriot"Act passed in her small home town of Mount Vernon, by overwhelming show-of-hands vote at Town Meeting. She continues to Write, Activate and Cartoon for Progressive causes. Her Letters are often seen in the Baltimore Chronicle, as w...

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Bia WinterBia Winter is an Artist/Writer from Maine, and has been an activist and letter-writer since the 60's. In 2004 she received the Roger Baldwin Award from the Maine American Civil Liberties Union for furthering Democracy after she got a Resolution Against the USA"Patriot"Act passed in her small home town of Mount Vernon, by overwhelming show-of-hands vote at Town Meeting. She continues to Write, Activate and Cartoon for Progressive causes. Her Letters are often seen in the Baltimore Chronicle, as w...

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McSAME

Hope all you self-righteous "Principled" folks will be happy and proud of yourselves when your Moral Hubris gets you McSAME!

Now, THAT is Evil!

The time to work on the System we so deplore is BEFORE the next election.

(ie: get Instant Runoff Voting !)  If we don't put the TOOLS in the box needed to change things, we have to work with the ones we've got, broken as they are. 

NOT participating at all, or smashing your thumb with a hammer will get us NOWHERE except to WWIII ! 

BTW, this promises to be a RECORD TURNOUT Election.

 I think the 200,000 Germans who came to cheer Obama in Berlin have a pretty good idea who's the better candidate, and they have LOTS of experience with the GREATER of Evils!

by Bia Winter (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 456 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 2:13:48 PM
 


Brett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.
Brett PaatschBrett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.

One can't know what they were cheering for

 I think the 200,000 Germans who came to cheer Obama in Berlin have a pretty good idea who's the better candidate, and they have LOTS of experience with the GREATER of Evils!

Its hard to make accurate generalisations about the views of large numbers of people. If there were 200,000 Germans cheering, they may have been cheering for an end to the Bush administration rather than endorsing an Obama who hasn't yet had a chance to break any treaties or carry out an war crimes.

Heck they may have cheered Brittany Speers if she was running to replace Bush.

It doesn't matter how good the icing on a turdcake is it doesn't turn it into chocholate. With Bush unimpeached the problem with the United States isn't just the President its the people and/or the whole system.  It is certainly within the power of the US people to change their system (or even just to enforce their laws and to demand oaths taken to them by Presidents and Congressional representatives are kept) if they want to. 

You have the second amendment as well as the first.

If liberals and progressives think like Pelosi seems to think that you can stand shoulder to shoulder with knuckledragging neanderthal neocons rather than oppose them when they torture and commit war crimes because that is the easier less divisive option then they are absolutely right, they can. But then the world will deal with them as a homogenous lot. 

If America goes fascist the world will take America down as it did Germany. It won't be pleasant or easy but 300 million divided can't stand against 6.4 billion united and unwilling to be tortured and invaded on US Presidential whim.  

A good man as President is a waste of a good man if America is lawless. One man cannot possibly fix the problems without the rule of law and people to help him uphold it by doing their own duties.  

 

 

by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 1175 comments) on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 6:56:19 PM
 


American Expat in Asia
pftAmerican Expat in Asia

Well

You do know there was a concert that they attended. The price of attendance was Obamas speech.

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 576 comments) on Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 1:14:10 AM