Very informative article

Thanks for this very informative article; I did not know he caused the Forrestal accident. Americans seem to like screw ups lately: after Bush, who f...d up all  his business ventures and will be leaving the country in terrible economic shape when he returns to Crawford, now we might have McCain, his 5 crashed planes and the Forrestal disaster. Wonder in what shape he is going to leave the country with such background...Armageddon, anyone?

by francine (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 378 comments) on Thursday, September 4, 2008 at 3:32:39 PM
 

Be Advised, Francine...

...that the McCain bobble-heads will try to tell you that the Zuni rocket that McCain's wet-start ignited was ignited, in fact, by an electrical failure in the rocket's detonator circuitry, or the pilot who was behind McCain getting blasted.

Without digging more deeply into the actual findings from the Navy's board of inquiry, what is critical is the fact that McCain's father outranked everyone in the Pacific theater, including the fool who was actually running the war for the Whitehouse...something that must have ticked off McCain Sr, but something that he did to avoid getting dragged into a mess that would end his career.  But McCain's father, without question, outranked everyone involved in creating the final report that turned an extreme wet-start into an "electrical problem."

I don't think this was anything more than a stupid no-talent kid showing off to his homies...with disasterous consequences.  Tragic ones.  I don't think McCain intended to harm anyone, he just bit off more than he could chew at the wrong time.  Could have happened to anyone who barely qualified as a fighter pilot.

The speed with which McCain rolled over on his country and befriended his Viet Minh captors, as compared with some of his peers at the Hanoi Hilton, speaks more to his character than a freak accident caused by a jerk-off pilot showing off at the wrong time.  The notes from a Cuban psychologist who interviewed McCain were particularly clear about the nature of the man.

McCain doesn't belong in public service in any capacity, let alone as President of the United States.  He belongs in long-term trauma therapy where he can get a handle on his life before it proceeds to get a handle on him.

by Richard Volaar (26 articles, 0 quicklinks, 132 diaries, 410 comments) on Thursday, September 4, 2008 at 8:49:41 PM
 

re: Be Advised,....

Richard feel free to call me a "bobblehead". Whatever. I'm just someone who feels strongly that the events of that terrible day in July 1967...when much of America was wallowing in "The Summer of Love"...not be clouded by these lame lies.

I well remember the couple of days before the families at home in Sanford Florida got word that their loved ones aboard in RVAH-11 were all ok.

It was a long couple of days...

You state,"I don't think this was anything more than a stupid no-talent kid showing off to his homies...with disasterous consequences."

This statement is so wrong in so many ways it is hard to figure where to begin.

I knew people who were on the deck that day. They SAW the ZUNI fire across the deck from the VF-11 F-4B (110) on the starboard quarter and hit the A-4 pack -McCain's aircraft was one of them- on the port side. As they were readying an RA-5C Vigilante for launch just next to the RA-5C seen in the foreground of the PLAT camera footage, they were some of the closest people to the beginning of the event who survived. 

Some years later, I met the XO (second in command) of VF-11 after he had retired to Pensacola as a Commander. Used to do a bit of sailing with him. Even though he too was a son of an Admiral (his father had been aboard the USS Franklin), he retired as an O-5. The reason why was known to all Richard.

Might add too that John McCain was an ATTACK pilot, and not a FIGHTER pilot.

Also, as a Lieutenant commander (thats the same as Major), McCain was a senior pilot.

 You continue with this slander: "The speed with which McCain rolled over on his country and befriended his Viet Minh captors, as compared with some of his peers at the Hanoi Hilton, speaks more to his character"

The small Vigilante "community" in Sanford contributed nearly 10 percent of the USN POWs in Vietnam. Many were family friends Richard. Now, it doesn't matter if you believe me or not, but let me tell you that this crowd would be mighty quick to call out a fraud or a slacker. Yet I see nearly all of them supporting McCain.

One of the most eloquent speaks here:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNOGkzMszrg

 As a matter of fact, the only POW that I see who has come out criticizing McCain, does so because of his stance on the war in Iraq.

 Pick on McCain all you want for his political stance, but the 134 souls who were consumed aboard the Forrestal that day deserve to be honored with the truth.

by sid ishus (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 5:31:01 AM
 

911 for kicks.

The frat boys did 911 for kicks too.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1483 comments) on Thursday, September 4, 2008 at 6:57:35 PM
 

Richard

Thanks for those precisions; indeed, due McCain's father rank, it's quite believable there was a cover up and that the Forrestal disaster was ascribed to some electrical malfunction.

Other interesting details I have read on McCain's military career--very little has been said about that, even progressive sites have not covered it: McCain is rumored to have had sexual dalliances with female subordinates--an absolute  no no in the military--, and to have been overly friendly with male subordinates who became his drinking buddies. Have you heard about that?

As before, thanks to his father's high rank in the Navy,  no mention of this ever appeared on his performance reports; however, it was well known  among his superiors and his peers, and it prevented McCain to ''reach for the stars'' like his father and grandfather--they were both 4 stars admirals. With no prospects for real promotion in the Navy, he decided to get into politics, with the help of the Hensley's money of course.

In a way, McCain and Bush are clones: two arrogant children of priviledge, two irresponsible fratboys whose pathologic recklessness  is the direct result of the total immunity granted by their fathers' power: whatever deep doodoo they got themselves into, they was never any price to pay, daddy was always there to pick up the pieces. They both wrecked everything they touched, McCain being even more reckless, hothead and unbalanced than Bush due to his  extended stay at the Hanoi Hilton.  

Could you tell us more about this Cuban report tou mention in your post?

An article summing up ALL the negatives and question marks in McCain's past, something along the lines of ''John McCain's dark side'' would be most welcome on OEN.

by francine (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 378 comments) on Friday, September 5, 2008 at 5:13:58 AM
 

Francine, You Are Ignoring THE TRUTH

There was no "coverup". McCain did not start the fire.

Thats ok though, your intellectual house won't stand long on the shifty sands of lies. 

by sid ishus (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 9:19:34 PM
 

This Is A Cheap Smear

Comment from Ratings:   About the only thing that has any semblance of truth is the spelling of McCain's name.

by sid ishus (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 9:21:13 PM