Could what the Jewish historian Professor Benny Morris says in the New York Times be true? That if Israel fails in the next four to seven months to destroy anything that remotely smells like radiation in Iran, Israel will simply annihilate all 70 million Iranians through a full blown nuclear war, all within the next seven months?
You have to read this article, it is illuminating and hallucinogenic all at the same time, it confirms that Iran will definitely be attacked, and a Nuclear Third World War declared. I cannot see how it could be avoided, considering how fearful and desperate Israel leaders seem to have become, just like our leaders apparently:
Historian Professor Benny Morris must know what he is talking about, he is working closely with Israel leaders. He has been criticized for this article, people said it sounded like a threat. Nonetheless, if you pay attention to what he says, you will notice that it is not "he" who speaks, nor does it seem like an opinion or a threat.
He is telling us exactly how Israel leaders think and what they are actually about to do in order to save their country and prevent at any cost Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb, from fears that they might themselves be obliterated in return.
I believe Benny Morris is simply stating a fact about what must happen if Iran does not stop its nuclear program and fail somehow to convince us of it. Let's face it, Iran could never possibly convince Israel that they have stopped their nuclear research.
Moreover, since Iran will not stop its nuclear program - why should they stop, whilst facing such a threat as Israel and America - then a Nuclear Third World War is inevitable.
It will most likely eventually get China and Russia involved, against us, our real targets perhaps. We will certainly deserve it, because we did everything we could indirectly to provoke them. Why? I'm not sure. Maybe you can enlighten me. I'm just like everyone else, totally ignorant of why we do the things we do, though I know that it does not seem to make any sense, since nothing good can come out of it.
I was not yet born when six million Jews and one million gays were eradicated during the Second World War in Germany, and yet I feel responsible. I feel I have done it myself, as I feel that somehow I am part of this humanity, I am part of its history, no matter how much I would love to say that I am not.
I can already tell you now, that I will not have on my conscience 70 million deaths through a nuclear war which will just be the beginning of it all. I am here now, I am able to say no, this cannot happen, I do not want it.
This time I will dissociate myself from your history, and go back to live in my own little bubble universe where I always lived, from where I claim I am just an observer of what goes on in the world.
After all, I have nothing to do with what you do, I am but one human being in this world, what difference could I possibly make? None of this has anything to do with me, or has anything to do with any of us. Or does it? Who is responsible then for our collective destiny?
I don't even vote, I never did, thank God, as I can never forgive myself for anything I do, or that I don't do whilst I know I should. So many obligations, am I alone responsible for the fate of humanity? Sometimes this is just how I feel. And that whatever I could do, the result would be just the same. I don't count, none of us do.
Besides, I would never be able to explain or justify such insanity, even if done in my name, without my consent. And then, well, I would have to acknowledge that none of us truly deserves to exist. I would have to recognize: why not blow ourselves up?
If global warming does not achieve that very result within years, we might as well make doubly sure we will all disappear for good as soon as possible, before we start to threaten not only our small planet, but the whole universe with it. Who knows, perhaps there is life elsewhere. If we do not feel we deserve a chance, and decide to be so destructive instead, we might wish to give them that chance.
There is no doubt in my mind that if we ever develop a technology that could destroy the entire universe, we would certainly use it at the first opportunity. I'm sure the American President would be eager the press the button, just to find out what happens, in case somehow it brings him more wealth. Maybe the President will think that it could get his God to finally reappear? I wonder.
since when should a government worker give carte blanche to a deeply disturbed nation (not that isreal can be really called deely disturbed or can it) the go ahead to bite a passing dog (and this is just a metaphor...some of my best friends are iranians and don't agree with their leader who wants to bite instead of just bark)....i think the jewish books of the bible (in Proverbs?) have something warning about that....and when i heard rice tell aipac that when they go after iran we will back them...why are we the united states of israel...don't we have a say, as the United States-ers to JUST SAY NO! Where is Mrs Reagan when we need her.
Thank you for this though provoking article....why can't we stop what has been set in motion....aren't there military people out there willing to just say no?
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karmacounselor (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 76 comments)
on Saturday, August 9, 2008 at 10:11:19 AM
As a former weapons-systems expert and member of Nuclear Weapons Handling Teams, I have this pieceof advice to offer the Israeli Leadership.
Before you decide to start Nuclear War, go to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Talk to the Habekusha there, the survivors of the bombing, ALL OF THEM. Ask for their OK. If they give it, then you can do it. If they say no, you can't. The Holocaust was a genocide, but merely one in a long, sad list of genocides carried out over our history. The ONLY people who have ever been atomic-bombed are the Habekusha. Therefore, the Habekusha are the only people on this EARTH who have EARNED the right to order Nuclear Weapons use.
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Ishmael1 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 36 comments)
on Saturday, August 9, 2008 at 4:25:46 PM
Comment from Ratings: If each individual human merely being concentrates on always doing what is right (rather than what suits us).....
...and if just one individual nuclear-tipped superstate manufactured a few grams of political common-sense....just enough for them to realize they'd actually become more powerful by a voluntarily program to remanufacture their evil arsenal into peaceful electric-power-generation...
Any hypothetically sane and sensible leader would start off assuming Iran aspirations in this respect were entirely honorable. But the idiots in the White House cannot do this while they still have their own grossly-fat fingers on a nuclear trigger.
They hit the A-button on Hirosima and Nagasaki...(and incidentally on the Twin Towers)... and their puppetmasters will do it again...even they simply contract the evil deed to the illegal immigrant government in Palestine-called-Israel.
Or to BlackWater.
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hommedespoir (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 26 comments)
on Saturday, August 9, 2008 at 4:37:28 PM
You have taken "probablies" and turned them into "definites.
Mr Tremblay wrote:
it confirms that Iran will definitely be attacked, and a Nuclear Third World War declared.
No, actually, it doesn't. It says that Israel will "almost surely attack Iran’s nuclear sites in the next four to seven months," emphasis mine, and that such an attack, if made, would use conventional weapons. The article goes further to say that one of Israel's options, should the attack not damage Iran's nuclear weapons R&D facilities sufficiently to end the Iranian's nuclear weapons programs, would be a nuclear attack. The author notes the other option,
to allow the Iranians to acquire the bomb and hope for the best — meaning a nuclear standoff, with the prospect of mutual assured destruction preventing the Iranians from actually using the weapon.
Dr Morris' original contains several qualifiers, which you have ignored; your language reads as though an Israeli attack, which Dr Morris seems to regard as very probable, is a definite thing.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will be leaving office in September, when the Kudina Party chooses a new leader, probably either Foreign Minister Tzippi Livni or Transportation Minister Shaul Mofaz. It is not clear that either one would be able to hold the Kudina-led coalition in the Knesset intact, and the government might fall, leading to new elections. It becomes a stretch to say that a new prime minister could not only hold together such a coalition and authorize strikes against Iran, all in the narrow time frame of November 5th to January 19th, and that such is a definite thing.
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Dana Pico (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 178 comments)
on Saturday, August 9, 2008 at 5:27:52 PM
If you doubt that, find a you tube close up of him singing those words, "Bomb, bomb, bomb, Bomb, bomb Iran". Note the look in his eyes. It is quite disturbing.
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Aurora (0 articles, 57 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 507 comments)
on Saturday, August 9, 2008 at 8:02:03 PM
If Israel started a war with Iran, every Israeli involved in it would suffer 1,000,000 years in hell for murder. Few Israelis would dare risk that.
Mr Tremblay should have entitled his article "America ready to annihilate 70 million Iranians." He raises American issues not Isaeli. The US CIA has murdered six millions human beings of color rarely a top story in the news. Vaporizing 70 millions non-Christians might raise a fuss for a few weeks, but it would quickly abate. The real debate is would it help Republicans in November.
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Jason Paz (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 20 diaries, 273 comments)
on Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 6:22:33 AM
Let's see, what other countries besides Israel have nuclear bomb abilities? Oh, USA, Pakistan, N. Korea, possibly Iran, Russia. Have I missed any? Itchy trigger fingers plus power-rage are easy to trigger. What is the fallout information on nuclear bombs over Tehran? Could it circle the Earth? Hmmm, probably. Wonder if some nice, powerful talks could stop the swaggering owners of bomb shelters. They must think they are immune to radio active fallout, right? You can't duct tape your way out of radioactive fallout.
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zephyr (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 71 comments)
on Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 10:43:11 AM
And you forgot United Kingdom, France, China and India. Those are the countries we know have nuclear capabilities.
There are countries that could easily build a nuclear weapon very quickly if it became necessary, like Canada. Who knows, it might soon become a necessity.
We can never have enough nuclear weapons, don't you agree?
And to answer Dana Pico, I agree that I should have written "...it confirms 'in my mind' that Iran will definitely be attacked, and a Nuclear Third World War declared."
I did not because immediately after I suggested it: "I cannot see how it could be avoided, considering how fearful and desperate..." I admit it was confusing.
No evidence of Iran since 2003 on nuclear weapons.
The fatwa by the supreme Ayatollah Ali Kameni is the letter of the law. The president is a titular position, a figurehead position in Iran. The nuclear energy program in Iran was started under the Shah Pahlavi in the late 1970's when it was a client state of the USA. An attack by Israel would be madness. Such and unprovoked attack would put the Israeli leadership in line with other butchers of the past including Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Not company they should want to be with. The USA policies of 'preemptive war' was condemned by the Nuremberg Trials as the highest form of crime. This is something that doesn't have to be but the USA and Israeli peoples need to unseat these psychopaths from office or it will happen!
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nightgaunt (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 322 comments)
on Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 3:32:45 PM
Ismael1, your reference to the Japanese victims is a well taken point. I'm unsure of your Japanese language ability but the population to which you refer are hibakusha. After living/working in Japan for 32 years, I am confident that despite the Japanese government's generally conservative bias, the hibakusha would, almost unanimously, denounce any nuclear attack by anyone. As the only nation to ever be on the receiving end of such horror, they know better than anyone else what it really means.
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Larry Retzack (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 39 comments)
on Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 4:04:09 PM
If Israel nukes Iran, we all lose. Nuclear fallout roams the globe over time. If Israel nukes 70 million ppl, that is genocide and the most provacative move to get the whole world involved. Don't forget our troops will be near the fallout and many will die as they are near or IN Iran. Good job on "supporting" our troops Mr. President.
Don't forget George Bush said he wanted to be the leader of Armageddon. Israel uses the USA and Bush uses the military arsenal to get his Armageddon and pretends he is Jesus Christ returned. What a heartless drama king Bush is...and a tragedy unfolding.
"There is corruption over having power over others"
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shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 433 comments)
on Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 7:25:58 PM
Nothing illustrates the moral backrupcy of the nation state more than the holding of nuclear weapons and other WMDs. Israel has become just another 'darkness' among nations. There has never been any light here.
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R. A. Landbeck (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 54 comments)
on Monday, August 11, 2008 at 3:18:48 PM
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