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This interview transcript has been broken into three parts.
This is Part 1. 

Thanks to  Don Caldarazzo for help editing the transcript.

Here's the link to the audio interview: Frederick Clarkson, on Rev. Moon, the Moonies and Something New and Worse

The reach and depth of Reverend Sun Myung Moon into the US is incredible. We learn about it, and a new, very scary religious organizaiton that we really need to keep an eye on.

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Interview Date: September 5, 2012 

Rob: Welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show, WNJC 1360 AM out of Washington township, reaching metro Philly and south Jersey; sponsored by with our podcasts archived at both iTunes, at If you're looking for them at iTunes, just look for my name, "Rob Kall," K-a-l-l.

   My guest tonight is Frederick Clarkson. He's a senior fellow at Political Research Associates in Somerville, Massachusetts. He's a longtime observer of the religious right. including Reverend Moon, and that's what we're going to be talking about--at least starting the conversation tonight.

Reverend Moon passed away and Frederick Clarkson had this to say about him. "Reverend Sun Myung Moon was the most pernicious, anti-Democratic figures in the United States in the latter half of the 20th century. Moon hated America. He hated our tradition of individual rights and independent thought. He hated democracy and said he wanted to replace it with a theocracy under his own rule." Pretty tough stuff. It goes on, "Although many would be loathe to admit it, Moon has been a central figure in the development of the modern American Conservative Movement since the 1960s; from Richard Viguerie's direct mail operation, to the religious and political empire of Jerry Falwell."

Welcome to the show.

Frederick:  Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Rob: That's quite an obituary there.

Frederick:  Yeah, I don't mean to speak ill of the dead, but in his case it's hard to find good things to say.

Rob: Well, how old was he?

Frederick:  He was 92.

Rob: Ninety-two, that's almost a century of being a pox upon humanity, there. Now, how did he have such an affect upon the United States? I know the Unity Church owned the Washington Times. Is it still owned--

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Someday I hope there will be no new bad news. Just... by Kim Cassidy on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:00:55 AM
Rob, I had no idea! I had not heard any of this be... by Jillian Barclay on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:06:35 PM
I've seen this on other websites but was not sure ... by eric stone on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:07:58 AM
Rob Kall was right to highlight the life of Rev. M... by Peter Duveen on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:05:03 AM
Maybe I should learn from Rev Moon. Okay, her... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:19:38 AM
Rob, not sure where the "Yuk" comes from. Let's se... by Peter Duveen on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:53:44 PM
Oh yeah, aren't you the guy always there, at the l... by Kim Cassidy on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:15:03 PM
Kim, can you be more specific? I'm not about to re... by Peter Duveen on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:41:04 PM
Never mind. Take all the time you need to study th... by Kim Cassidy on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:39:52 PM
About my comment to you, here's why... Even thoug... by Kim Cassidy on Tuesday, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:31:09 AM
[[moonies]]... by Daniel Geery on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:25:09 PM
I find it disturbing that Clarkson pretends not to... by Lisa De Witt on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:07:37 PM
The Reverend Sung Myung Moon, is a perfidious figu... by Nelson Robison on Tuesday, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:08:46 AM