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September 15, 2008 at 10:09:11

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IMMIGRATION FROM THE IMMIGRANT'S POINT OF VIEW

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Today, there are over 12 million undocumented workers in the United States. This is more undocumented workers than any other nation on Earth. The extent of people coming from Latin America to the US has reached unprecedented levels. Though undocumented workers have been coming to the US for decades, never have the levels reached this high.

 

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 which was signed into law by then President Ronald Reagan was supposed to alleviate, once and for all, the entry into the US of undocumented persons from other countries. Right off the bat, this law strictly prohibits employers from hiring, as they put it, “unauthorized aliens.” They specifically require that all new hires anywhere in the US MUST provide proof of citizenship or residency, and proof of ability to work, usually in the form of what we call a Social Security Number or appropriate green card. This number is unique to each person and in the case of the green card, it identifies the person as being a foreigner with the authorization to work.

 

The provisions within this law demanded fines into the thousands of dollars for every undocumented worker hired by a given firm. Even mere paperwork violations were subject to incredible fines. It strictly prohibited businesses from recruiting foreigners to work in the US. This law specifically demanded that the Comptroller General give an annual report to Congress on the progress of the enactment of this law. But it also negated prosecution of anyone hired before the date this law became effective. In other words, all those who were undocumented before the date in 1986 that this law came into effect, were exempt from prosecution. Effectively, in 1986, the President Reagan cleaned the slate of all undocumented workers and gave everyone a fresh start.

 

This law was to put at zero the number of undocumented workers inside the US. It was to clear out the messy problem of those with no papers, and allow a fresh look at undocumented workers in the US. We were to start anew, with no undocumented workers to speak of, and with control of our borders. This was the chance for the US to start fresh with no “unauthorized aliens.” But something strange happened after that.

 

According to Wikipedia, as of January, 2006, there were 6.8 million undocumented Mexicans residing in the US. The rest of Latin America accounted for another three million. Asia accounted for over one million more, while the other nations of the world accounted for the rest. It also goes on to state that since 1992, undocumented workers have entered the US between 400,000 and 700,000 per year. Since 1986, more than 12 million undocumented workers have entered the US, despite the severe sanctions of the Immigration Reform and Control Act. Instead of eliminating undocumented workers entering the US, it appears that Reagan’s bill actually increased the process.

  

While nearly every American has an opinion about the influx of foreigners without proper documentation, few understand why.

 

Here is but an excerpt from one of the thousands of extremist websites that proclaim that Mexico is intent on conquering the United States:

 

“Our southern neighbor is not shy about expressing its intention to conquer the American Southwest, which Mexico regards as territory lost in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildalgo in 1846. Mexican children are taught in school that the United States stole that land, which they call “Aztlan.” Absurd rantings of political extremists? Consider…

 

• In 1997, then-President Zedillo proclaimed that “I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders.”

 

• Mexico's President Fox has been unrelenting in his brazen demands on the United States, starting with open borders even before he was elected. He has called for the border to be “a joining line.” His visits to the U.S. have been filled with endless requirements for Mexican citizens illegally in this country — free healthcare, taxpayer-subsidized in-state tuition for illegals at state colleges and universities, guestworker programs and amnesty for all.”

  

These sites exist for the sole purpose of enflaming the hatred of Americans who do not know better. They inflame the American ignorant public into thinking that a bunch of peasants with no arms to speak of will suddenly rise up and overtake a section of the US with the rest of the US standing idly by and watching. Let’s consider the following:

 

300 million Americans live in the United States. The entire Mexican undocumented population is less than seven million. The United States possesses the most potent and lethal armed military in the world. They have thousands more nuclear warheads than any other nation on Earth. They have the Marines, Army, Navy, Air Force and National Guard stationed in every state in the US and by the thousands. The US possesses the highest level of technology to inflict the greatest amount of damage on anyone anywhere. Yet these yo-yos think that a few Mexicans without arms are somehow going to seize control of one third of US territory. This would be one of the greatest satires known to mankind, if it were not for the fact that millions of Americans believe it is true. The blind hatred displayed and copied by the millions of Americans who believe this crap is the fuel that Congress and the president feed on and promote to enact even more draconian measures against the immigrant.

 

But wait, there’s another side to this tale.

 

Let’s put all of this in the eyes of the immigrant. It is clear that millions of Americans are duped into believing that the undocumented worker poses a dire threat to the sanctity of the US. What does the immigrant think??

 

For the undocumented worker living in the US, the story is remarkably different. I have lived four years in Mexico, and I have interviewed countless Mexicans on the reasons for their exodus to the US. Here is what I’ve found. First I will start with the emigrant in the US and later, returning to Mexico.

 
  1. Primarily, only Mexicans from Northern Mexico migrate to the US. The rest of Mexico tends to migrate to Mexico City. The people that migrate to Mexico City are called “Paracaidistas” or “parachutists”, because if they land on your property and manage to build a dwelling there before you can get rid of them, they can claim permanent residence even though they don’t own the land beneath them. The swelling slums outside of Mexico City is testimony to this huge, unplanned migration that sorely lacks necessary infrastructure.
  2. The reason for their migration, either to Mexico City or to the US, is universally for the betterment of one’s own life, and the possibility of helping out the rest of one’s family. This fact alone is hardly ever touched on in the main stream media in the US.
  3. Mexicans, or better said almost any migrant person, move to the US in order to make more money, and using this new found wealth to help their family back home. Western Union has made a fortune by offering money transfer services of this kind.
  4. Nearly every Mexican I met either here or in Mexico has told me that their first love is the country they were born and raised in, Mexico. They see their stay in the US as merely transitory until they get enough money to retire at home in their native country.
  5. Believe it or not, the Mexicans living in Mexico actually resent those who have traveled to the US to live. The reason is actually quite simple. Those who move to the US are usually in their teens or early twenties. Their knowledge of the intricacies of the work place is quite limited. When these people return to Mexico, they use the same vocabulary they acquired in the US. Since these words are from the English language, Mexicans who have never visited the US assume that their brethren are deliberately using words unknown to them. There is a lot of friction in Mexico between those who have lived in the US, and those who have never seen it.
  6. In the US, Mexicans have a huge chip on their shoulder. Any act by any American is looked upon with the criteria that, “The gringos hate me and exploit me. If this gringo asks me to do something, he will no doubt pay me below regular wages. I am being exploited by the powers that be here.”
 

Clearly, the Mexican immigrant to the US feels a constant threat from the government, society and life in general. They know that the “migra,” or ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, could deport them at any moment. They realize that their lack of knowledge of the English language is a great impairment for future growth and success. Their ignorance of Americans mores and customs is another great hindrance to their advancement in society. I remember in 1984, having just arrived back here from Mexico, I sent my Chilanga wife, or Mexico City-born wife, to the store to by a can of coke. She came back with a can of diet, decaffeinated coke. I immediately realized that there was much she needed to learn about the differences between Mexican life and American life.

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A VETRetired Union & Vet

IMMIGRATION FROM THE IMMIGRANTS POINT OF VIEW"

Please call Illegal aliens what they truly are ! Corporate SLAVES ! They are slave labor ! It is wrong to focus rage on them as they are victims. All rage should be focused on the slave owner corporations. As long as corporations are not prosecuted for violating current anti slavery laws this situation will only worsen for all of us !

by A VET (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Monday, September 15, 2008 at 11:32:46 AM
 


53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine
John Little53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine

Your knowledge of the issue is extraordinary

I admire your knowledge of the situation. Most of the comments I get on this are from crazed Americans who think that these people come her to overtake the US, as if 12 million illiterate peasants with kitchen knives can defeat the greatest army ever assembled in mankind’s history. You have hit on the crux of the problem which I allude to on several occasions.

 

The record number of influx of foreigners can only happen if business wants it to. Imagine 500,000 people every twelve months and NO JOBS for them to take because business is too scared, or too correct, to break the law and hire them!! It would be impossible to “hide” 500,000 people, but after 22 years, there’s absolutely NO WAY that 12 million people can “vanish” in society. They must have the support of business, who in turn pay big bucks to the politicians to make sure their slaves keep coming unimpeded.

 

The US government keeps whole countries south of the border in permanent impoverished conditions in order to create the pool of labor they need north of the border who earn slave wages and depress the real cost of goods. For them it’s a perfect situation. They get their slaves, their labor costs are almost zilch, their health care costs ARE zilch, their worker’s comp costs are zilch, and they have the politicians screaming that it’s the foreigner’s fault for coming here in the first place. And then they add the stupid fear factor to make the sheeple see red. “Oh my God, they are crossing the border to take over the US. In no time these peasants who have no armament, no tanks, no planes, no heavy guns, no nukes, no military training, no knowledge of the US geography, almost no understanding of the language, almost all are illiterate, no radar, no ships, no lasers, nothing military at all, will defeat the greatest military force ever created in the history of mankind.” And the sheeple go, yum yum we must hate and fear these peasants. They are going to take over America. I heard it on Fox. And we all know that Fox never lies.

 

You couldn’t ask for a more perfect scenario for these corporations. Their costs plummet and the blame goes to people whose only crime is trying to improve their lot in life since the US government has impeded the growth of their own country forcing them here in the first place.

by John Little (23 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 79 comments) on Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:55:54 PM
 


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illegal immigration

Prices would not soar or have to raise at all if undocumented workers were eliminated. They have been here so long that wages for working people are all ready depressed across the board. People who work in construction, landscaping, factory work, restaurant work etc, etc, are working for the same wages that were paid 20 years ago. Corporations that use illegal immigrant labor are just making more profits and a bigger paycheck for top executives.

The answer is long prison sentences to corporate heads who hire illegal immigrants.

by Gary Denson (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 283 comments) on Monday, September 15, 2008 at 9:14:56 PM
 


53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine
John Little53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine

Excellent point, Gary

You are absolutely right about those ultimately responsible and what they've done to the working person's wage across the country. But that is apparently insufficient for the Bush cronies. They wanted even more money. Ever hear of the Davis-Bacon Law?? It was passed in 1931 so that the government would be forced to pay AT LEAST the prevailing local wages in any project. Apparently, after Katrina, his buddies decided that the prevailing wages in New Orleans was just too much.

 The Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 is a United States federal law which established the requirement for paying prevailing wages on public works projects. All federal government construction contracts, and most contracts for federally assisted construction over $2,000, must include provisions for paying workers on-site no less than the locally prevailing wages and benefits paid on similar projects.

 Bush vetoed the above law right after Katrina:

Hurricane Katrina

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, House Representatives Jeff Flake, Tom Feeney, Marilyn Musgrave, and other members of the House Republican Study Committee (RSC) urged President Bush to temporarily suspend the Davis-Bacon Act in order to expedite the reconstruction of the Gulf Coast.[11] [12] President George W. Bush then issued proclamation 7924 to indefinitely suspend the provisions of 40 U.S.C. 3141-3148 (the Davis–Bacon Act) in designated area.s in the States of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, and Mississippi, the areas most heavily hit by the hurricane.

Isn't that nice of them?? And they've done such a wonderful job for the average worker in those areas ever since, right?? You gotta love 'em. I mean, they obviously won their elections to Congress, right?? That means a majority of Americans somewhere believe they know what they are doing and it's the right thing.

by John Little (23 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 79 comments) on Monday, September 15, 2008 at 10:29:41 PM
 


53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine
John Little53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine

My bad

After hitting the okay button, I realized that I had stated that Bush "vetoed" the law. That is obviously an impossibility. It has been suspended (and will probably continue that way for some time until everyone's forgotten it ever existed).

by John Little (23 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 79 comments) on Monday, September 15, 2008 at 10:31:22 PM
 


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Merrry GregorDemocratic Activist

undocumented DO undermimine the wages on legal US workers

Your article does spell out the truth of the matter.   The presence of willing and desperate undocumented workers does, in fact, undermine the wages of legal workers in this country and gives business an excuse not to pay a living wage.  It is all well and good to say business would not be willing to pay such a livable wage but until they are FORCED TO BY THE ABSENCE OF CHEAP LABOR we will never know.

I have sympathy for these desparate migratory people, but our own citizens have my priority.  I have NO sympathy for the business's who have exploited this situation for decade's and seek, through the manipulation of the law to continue to do so, claiming 'hardship'.

I will oppose any kind of amnesty because it gives the business's the opportunity to exploit the immigrant and the citizen worker another chance to 'game' the system.

by Merrry Gregor (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 11 comments) on Monday, September 15, 2008 at 11:10:05 PM
 


53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine
John Little53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine

MG, You have valid points.

As long as the status quo exists, businesses will never have to worry about having to do without slave labor at their disposal. This country has given them all the slave labor they can muster.

As far as amnesty is concerned, I seriously doubt that such a program could ever exist. For one, the businesses would then be liable for health care costs and other programs, for their new employees and two, they'd have to start paying worker's comp, which costs a whole lotta money. By legalizing the undocumented people, these same companies where they currently work will have to revamp their treatment of the foreigners. Overtime and other ancillary costs would raise the cost of labor tremendously without adding a single person to the work force. They won't create a situation that basically shoots them in the foot for having undocumented workers in the first place.

by John Little (23 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 79 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 12:48:00 AM
 


An RFK democrat who this year, for the first time in 11 presidential elections, will not vote for the democratic nominee.
Kellis R. SolomonAn RFK democrat who this year, for the first time in 11 presidential elections, will not vote for the democratic nominee.

Immigration

Greetings,

Thank you, John.  Good article, and follow-ups.

The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first,
the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second,
the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.

From Edward Dowling, editor and priest, Chicago Daily News, July 28, 1941

by Kellis R. Solomon (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 95 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 1:35:24 AM
 


None
Dee ThomasNone

No Sympathy for Illegals

The U.S. is STAGGERING under the weight of illegal immigration and all it's handouts legislated by Congress, to include welfare, food stamps, medicaid, free WHILE THE COUNTRY IS STAGGERING under the weight of illegal immigration and all it's handouts legislated by Congress, to include welfare, food stamps, medicaid, free publics school at $15,000 per child per year, free college tuition, FREE LEGAL DEFENSE (while they rape (1 million to include children), rob, and murder U.S. citizens -- 9,000 per year), form gangs with impunity, and drive drunk on our highways killing even more Americans. 

They comprise 30% of the prison population, which we pay for.  Our schools, courts, highways, and hospital waiting rooms are crowded with illegals.  They commit document fraud using OUR social security numbers, with the full knowledge and complicity of the SS Administration, for drivers licenses, jobs, welfare and food stamps, public school admission, and to VOTE! 

They are in this country illegally, yet they march in our streets aggressively on  May 5 for their "rights" with no policemen in sight!  Immigrants who came here from Europe on early ships were not MOOCHERS.     Arnold Swartznegger has proposed numerous desperate ideas to pay for all the illegal immigrants in his state.   

The politicians have moved all our jobs overseas, and intentionally give the rest to "cheap illegal labor", forcing TAXPAYERS to SUBSIDIZE big corporatons' "cheap labor" by paying for their welfare, food stamps, SSI (which they did not pay into), and Medicaid --- while 11 million American children go to bed hungry at night, and 52 million American adults and 15 million American children have no health insurance. 

Americans have lost their jobs, health insurance and homes to foreclosure due to illegals taking their construction jobs at $8 an hr vs. $18, decreasing the tax base and making it impossible for the states to balance their budgets with all the free handouts. 

Nothing has been done to stem the flow of this invasion; the wall has not been built.  The SS Administration knows exactly which social security numbers are being used fraudulently and where these workers are located.  Yet we've seen very FEW raids or efforts to stop illegal hiring or punishment and fining of these employers.   They have allowed this social security number fraud to be perpetrated for years.  The little money they take in from the illegals is not deposited to OUR accounts.  Most illegals are paid under the table and PAY NO TAXES.  To supplement the illegal workforce for the few jobs left, Bill Gates and his millionaire buddies bring in cheap foreign labor under the H1-B temporary worker program (with no subsequent tracking as to their whereabouts). 

Gates recently asked Congress for more H-1B visas, saying there's no talent in the U.S.   You would think a man of his wealth and "philanthropy" would have used some of his money 30 years ago to establish a special computer school to channel "Americans" into his jobs.    AMERICANS ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS, HEALTH INSURANCE, AND HOMES TO FORECLOSURE. 

 

by Dee Thomas (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 1:43:12 AM
 


None
Dee ThomasNone

No Sympathy for Illegals

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at:

by Dee Thomas (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 1:53:15 AM
 


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Dee ThomasNone

ILLEGALS COST TAXPAYERS $338,000,000,000.00 PER YR

1.  $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such! as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

2.  $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

3.  $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

4.  $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for t! he American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies .

5.  $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

6.  $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services

7. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

8.  The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.

9. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.! Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. (Homeland Security Report)

10. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."

(MY COMMENT:  A BARGAIN!)

11.  In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

12.  "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States".

13.  Only 2 percent of illegal aliens are actually picking fruit and vegetables, but 41 percent are on welfare!

14.  1 in 10 babies born in the U.S. are to illegal aliens.

15.  60 percent of Housing and Urban Development funds go to illegal aliens.

16.  13 Americans are killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals.

17.  The average illegal alien in prison was arrested eight times, and committed 13 crimes.

18.  Conservative estimates suggest that in any given year there are 230,000 illegal aliens in prison--all being cared for with your tax dollars.  30% of the prison population are illegals.

19.  In California alone, the annual estimated cost burden of providing education, health care and incarceration for illegal immigrants is over $10,000,000,000 ($10 billion). 

20.  New York State spends $5.1 BILLION per year on Illegal aliens.

More statistics at USCFILE (dot) com 


Total cost is a whopping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

by Dee Thomas (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 2:14:41 AM
 


53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine
John Little53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine

Upon further review

Dee,

 I checked out that site and saw a quote from LAPD deputy chief John White about the problems you state. The funny thing is, when I went to the LAPD official website to look up this deputy chief and find out more about him, I found that he doesn't even exist!!!

If your sites quote fictitious people to state fictitious claims to incite hatred through lies, then you can keep your site and all the lies it contains. When you can find a site that quotes from actual living people, I'd be more than  happy to debate the states, but as long as you quote from Mickey Mouse and the gang, your quotes will be viewed as one of racist and hatred and nothing more.

 

I invite you to review that site and give proof that a deputy sheriff John White ever existed. I await your response.

by John Little (23 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 79 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10:08:08 AM
 


An RFK democrat who this year, for the first time in 11 presidential elections, will not vote for the democratic nominee.
Kellis R. SolomonAn RFK democrat who this year, for the first time in 11 presidential elections, will not vote for the democratic nominee.

Immigration

Greetings,

Dee, read the following; your information is all wrong.

 June 4, 2007 Washington Post:

A recent study using data collected through 2004 found that Hispanics in North Carolina (many of them immigrants, both legal and illegal) contributed $756 million in state taxes while costing about $817 million in public education, corrections and health care. That nets out to a modest $61 million drain on state coffers. But the study, by researchers at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, also found that that deficit was dwarfed by the fact that Hispanics contributed more than $9 billion, or some 3 percent, to the state's economy in 2004, an amount projected to double by 2009.
The North Carolina study further found that adults of prime working age (18-44) comprised a much larger portion of Hispanic households than non-Hispanic ones; that the state's 9,000-plus Hispanic-owned businesses were poised for rapid expansion; and the state's exports to Latin America, which account for 70,000 jobs, are booming, thanks partly to the swift growth of the Hispanic population. Little wonder that the study was conducted for the North Carolina Bankers Association; immigrants are good for business. Similar studies in Arkansas, Texas and elsewhere have arrived at like-minded conclusions.
The flip side is that immigrants are said to add to the poverty rolls, strain public services and, in some high-immigrant states such as California, increase the tax burden on non-immigrant households. But even here the evidence is mixed. Since most immigrants come when they are young and working (55 percent of Hispanics in the North Carolina study were 18 to 44), they tend not to collect Social Security or Medicare for many years -- even while paying into the systems with payroll taxes, in many cases with phony Social Security numbers (meaning they will contribute but not collect). In fact, illegal immigrants do not get federal welfare benefits of any kind. At the same time they often pay income tax (through paycheck withholdings) and sales tax, thereby helping directly or indirectly to underwrite transportation, health care, education and other services. And while immigrants surely have contributed to some extent to the ranks of the poor, that was also true of previous waves of immigrants; the point is, most of those immigrants didn't stay poor.

 

by Kellis R. Solomon (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 95 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 2:14:58 AM
 


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Love and hate

America has always had a love-hate relationship with immigrants.  On the one hand, there is (at least in some circles) an acknowledgment that they contribute substantially to the economy.  On the other hand, there is a fear of "the other" and of the possibility that they may be taking jobs away from "native" Americans (irony intended).  

by Mikhail Lyubansky (8 articles, 4 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 109 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 7:45:05 AM
 


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John Little53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine

Kellis, thank you - Dee, let's be rational

You both bring up good points and I'm not going to battle the data presented above with this post (I leave for work in 10 minutes - and this is not going to make me late).

 I will look at the stats later, but I can tell you now that undocumented workers pay taxes (try buying gas without paying the taxes that come included in the price). They add a lot to this economy. And if you go back into history you will find that "moochers" once defined the Italians coming here, the Irish coming here, the Germans coming here, the French (they were even considered spies working for Napoleon at one point), etc.

If the links to those false stats are presented, it won't take too long to show their inaccuracy.

 

ciao

by John Little (23 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 79 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 8:49:43 AM
 


53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine
John Little53 year old Californian male - I've lived in three different countries, USA, Switzerland, Mesico - speak three languages fluently, English, French, Spanish - parttime journalist for Empower-Sport Magazine

I wrote this a while ago on my Toeg Effect show

 It seems all too often for those who perpetrate the lies that immigrants are evil people bent on bringing down the US that they somehow forget to mention the positive side of those who sacrificed so much and went through horrific ordeals just to be able to get to this country.

We were once a nation of continuous immigration. So true and so revered was this concept that the People of France built a huge statue in our honor and shipped it all the way from France to New York. It seems that America has vastly changed since that time. Now we hate foreigner. We loathe them. We scream obscenities at them.

I guess we need to send back the Statue of Liberty. The US can no longer be called a melting pot. Many Americans OPENLY hunt down and injure and kill these people. And these illbegotten lynchmen of our time are applauded by millions of Americans whose ancestors once moved here AS an immigrant.

The words are telling, but they are now hollow in meaning and devoid of sense. This is no longer the motto of America:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Totally useless. Americans haven't even one iota of compassion for these people. Immigrating for their ancestors is completely acceptable, but for the newer arrivals, America has become a country of haters. Americans now hate the immigrant. They chastise, humiliate and attack the new immigrants.

It's time we face facts. The Statue of Liberty means absolutely nothing to most Americans nowadays. It has become a great tourist attraction, but devoid of any significance. SEND THE STATUE OF LIBERTY BACK TO FRANCE, AMERICANS NOW H-A-T-E IMMIGRANTS.

by John Little (23 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 79 comments) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 11:46:31 AM