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October 5, 2008 at 09:42:49
I Think We're Turning Chinese, I Really Think So. by PeterJ Page 1 of 1 page(s) |
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Together we will get through this. We have the Constitution on our side. They think they can change that, but we have more power than you realize. They know what power we have, that's why they're trying to take it from us. Let's use it while we have it.
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You've hit America's nerve
Thanks for the article. by Margaret Bassett (45 articles, 2929 quicklinks, 43 diaries, 1885 comments [104 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:44:25 AM
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I think
You can start to unravel the proverbial knot in your ideological knickers. This "bailout" is only the beginning of a change in the way America does business. Many other democratic capitalist countries have for many years had government owned for profit corporations. It was a way of making sure that ordinary people gained value from their publicly owned resources. These government owned corporations competed on an even basis with privately owned companies and prospered along with them. If the US must now join (these types of countries) in acquiring debt it should also acquire at the same time and as part of the same transaction, equity in the corporations being assisted. This way when everything settles down sometime in the future the people will own a good chunk of equity in many financial corporations which can be sold for profit or to recoup the funds laid out to save them. by Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1767 comments [113 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:01:17 PM
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Really?
My proverbial knot is tied because the companies that we're investing in have displayed not only an inability to turn a profit but long chains of employees and corporate heads who have bilked not only the companies but their shareholders out of Billions of dollars. This isn't an investment that would be recommended by Mad Magazine nevermind Forbes. One thing that should be mentioned is that the government hasn't been able to run itself in the black, how do you propose that we, the people, are going to make money with these nit-wits investing in a corporate environment? I don't know about the rest of the "investors" in this country but with the lack of responsibility, ingenuity annd intelligence demonstrated by our "leaders" and I use the term lightly, I don't want them investing my tax dollars in anything except the safety and security of this country, as it should be. By the way, what other countries have successful corporate investments which serve their people well? Can you name me a few? by PeterJ (16 articles, 3 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 236 comments [53 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:17:20 PM
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Reply: Really
Well I can think of a few off hand, Mexico, Brazil, Canada, UK, Russia (of course this one is easy because the Russian state owned companies control most of the oil and gas resources). I also believe a number of Scandinavian countries have state owned for profit corporations. by Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1767 comments [113 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:40:26 PM
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Reply: Really.
So, you'd like the United States of America to emulate the governments of Mexico, Brazil and Russia? How's that working out for those people? I think that this goverment is too f*cked up to run itself, nevermind manufacturing or service industries. By the way, how's that Post Office working out these days? http://www.postcom.org/public/articles/2001articles/can%20the%20usps%20survive.htm by PeterJ (16 articles, 3 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 236 comments [53 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:55:17 PM
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Reply: Really really
I don't think your question was correctly phrased. We are not talking about human rights, democratic institutions or rule of law. We are simply discussing various methods of providing economic stability. One of the ways is for governments to own equity in for profit corporations and Mexico for interest receives 40% of its budgetary funding from its ownership of oil and gas. Brazil is rapidly finding the same wealth of funding from its resource ownership. Russia also. It is just one way but should not be ignored because it doesn't fit with current American ideology. by Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1767 comments [113 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:20:06 PM
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Reply: Enough already
It's got nothing to do with ideology. A country who's going quickly down the toilet is investing in companies with no assets who have gone down the toilet is not a thought for intellectuals to ponder. If these were Clinton times and the decisions were being made, not forced, by Clinton, perhaps I'd feel differently but since right now I trust no one, not Bush, McCain or Obama, since they all have the same objectives I don't believe that a government who has no money should invest in business with no money. Can I put it any simpler than that? by PeterJ (16 articles, 3 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 236 comments [53 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:33:30 PM
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Reply: Enough
Well no one is arguing against that premise! by Archie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1767 comments [113 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:06:43 PM
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