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Full of Fulibuster: Forget 60, The Senate is Already Virtually Filibuster-Proof

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Conservative Republicans are putting out nonsense about how the filibuster can save them from the horrors of socialist President Obama. See, for example, Kimbertley A. Strassel’s opinion piece in today's Wall Street Journal’s article  How to Block the Liberal Agenda.

The Democrats now have 55 seats in the Senate. Including independents, Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman, they have 57. The Republicans have 40 seats. Let us assume a worst case scenario, and the Democrats lose the three seats that are still undecided and Joe Lieberman leaves the Democratic Party.

That would appear to give the Republicans 44 Senators for their filibuster. Would all 44 Senators be willing to filibuster?  A number of Republicans have good reason not to engage in filibuster.

Five moderate Republicans are up for election in 2010 from moderate states. Arlen Specter (Pa), George Voinovich (Ohio), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Judd Greg (New Hampshire), and Mel Martinez (Florida). They all face tough election fights in less than 21 months after Obama takes office. They all would be reluctant to be seen as obstructionists, preventing the majority from voting on important issues. Can any of them politically afford to be labeled as obstructionists preventing the Congress from passing or voting on popular legislation?

In addition, we have three Republicans who are not up for re-election, but would be very reluctant to filibuster because they come from moderate-liberal states, Olympia Snow and Susan Collins are both moderate Republicans from Maine, and Norm Coleman (assuming he wins his recount against Al Franken) is a moderate Republican from Minnesota. None of them would care to be seen as obstructionists.

There are also two moderate Republicans who are unlikely to be running again for re-election and would have little reason to go along with most filibusters. Richard Lugar (Indiana) has praised Obama's foreign policy and at 76 years old is unlikely to run again. George Stevens, should he win his seat in Alaska, is 84 years old. He has been a moderate Republican for his entire career and won’t be running again. Not being up for re-election, the Republicans have no power over them to push them into line and get them to support a filibuster.

Finally, there are McCain and Lieberman themselves. McCain, 73 years old, may retire instead of running again in two years, and he may want to live up to the “Maverick” label that he claimed so often in the presidential race. Lieberman will have enough trouble getting re-elected in liberal Connecticut in four years. Supporting Republican filibusters will just make it even harder for him.

This means that the Republicans, in the best case, could only rely on 33 conservative Senators for a filibuster. Getting the extra 7 votes they need would be extremely difficult in most cases.

One could imagine a situation where Obama supports a piece of legislation or nominates someone that Lieberman and both the conservative and moderate Republicans cannot tolerate. In that case, it would make sense for the Republicans to try to convince eight conservative or moderate Democrats to join them in voting down the measure/person. It is hard to imagine an issue or person where they would not be able to find eight Democrats to join them and would instead be able to organize a successful filibuster.

Obama may be defeated in some of his proposals by a coalition of Republicans and Democrats, but it is unlikely the Republicans will attempt to filibuster any of them. The magical incantation "filibuster" is a charm without real power or effect, just an illusion piously prayed for by disturbed minds..

 

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Filibuster Reform?

In the current session of Congress, Republicans have used the filibuster excessively, seemingly with the intent to completely obstruct the Democratic majority from accomplishing anything. 

In the next Congress, Democrats hold a stronger majority, but they still lack the 60 votes to keep Republicans from returning to their obstructionist ways.  The author may be correct in his assessment that in their weakened position they will mend their ways.  It is even possible that some Republicans will see the writing on the wall for their party and decide to become Democrats.  There is certainly a history of Senators changing Parties for similar reasons. 

Nonetheless, the abuse of the filibuster by the current Senate goes well beyond what is reasonable; there have been more than 90 filibusters.   The record number of filibusters for any previous Senate was 57, and even that seems excessive.  

The filibuster serves the good purpose of making it difficult to pass legislation that a substantial number of Senators oppose.  If it is used for that purpose, and it is not simply politicized, filibusters serve a useful purpose.  However, the experience of the current Senate raises the question of whether some change in rules is in order.  I proposed some possibilities in a short article that I invite you to read.

by PrMaine (13 articles, 13 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 511 comments [22 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:14:14 PM

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Reply: Good Suggestion, But I Still Think We're Fulibuster-Proof

Thanks PRMaine,

I think it is an interesting suggestion to have individual senators take responsibility for fulibusters. Unfortunately, there are enough senators from Republican stronghold states like Missisippi and Alabama that they would only be too glad to be associated with reactionary fulibusters. 

The record 104 fulibusters (http://tinyurl.com/5ets52) happened this term because the Republicans had 49 senators. They had 40 conservative senators that they could rely on. With the Alaskan and Minnesota results looking more and more each day to swing to the Democrats, I still think it is hard to see how they are going to have more than 34 or 35 votes to block most reform legislation.

Incidentally, Joe Conason, has an article basically re-enforcing and adding to what I'm suggesting. (click here) He identifies an additional three "at risk Republican" who would be hesitant to fulibuster.  Richard Burr (NC), Kit Bond MO), Jim Bunning (KY). That makes the odds of getting 40 even more difficult. 

Unless, Obama nominates Michael Moore and William Ayers to be Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense, I really do not see much chance of the Republicans pulling off more than a handful of successful fulibusters.

by Philosopher Jay (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 29 comments) on Friday, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:50:18 PM

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