There's mostly bank buildings in my town

You want to buy one?

by Margaret Bassett (38 articles, 2210 quicklinks, 30 diaries, 1501 comments) on Monday, November 17, 2008 at 11:12:09 PM
 

Housing Prices are Man-Made, not Market-Made.

No, but there isn't any reason why your town can't take those houses, and use their values to keep the housing market stable.

For example, the town can re-sell those houses for a fixed price that is below the market-rate, with the condition that the house must be resold to the town at a  similar rate.  And, the townspeople can fund the mortgage at 0%, which would reduce the mortgage from 30 years to 10 years.

The reason the houses are empty is because we have made them too expensive.  Therefore, we have to make housing less expensive.  The government's solution of printing more money will just acerbate the problem.  

The belief that rising housing prices is good for the economy is fundamentally false.  Housing prices should be stable over generations.

by Steve Consilvio (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 159 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 6:55:51 AM
 

There is no warrant out

for the arrest of the wife and political party swappin, snitch, B rated senile sap, Ronald Reagan's "Freedom Fighter" the GOP "Greed & Oppression Party "who have re-labeled Osma Bin Laden a "Terrorist", by the FBI.

Where is your proof Al-CIAda, a group with USA support from the Reagan administration and its "Treason" fomenting Iran-Contra weapons for cocaine scandle in the 80's, committed this heinous crime?

Yes, the whole idea by the select few who control much of the world's wealth was to bring down the USA, so as to continue the NWO agenda, of subjugating the masses who will survive, forced into debt-slavery.

by Stanimal (0 articles, 4 quicklinks, 26 diaries, 702 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 4:00:39 AM
 

too much paranoia

There certainly are paranoid elements in every society, and hubris.  The neo-cons Project for a New American Century was as silly as Hilter's Third Reich.  But their motivation for control and peace and a permanent perch for themselves does not make it a world-wide conspiracy, just stupid in the hands of power.

9/11 was not an inside job. 

 If it was, they would have sparked a riot in the inner city.  Nobody has anything to gain from the financial collapse, except for the person outside of our system.  There are suicide bombers all over the place.  The fact that 19 were in America just shows a continuation of the anger, and a longer reach.  You don't need a conspiracy to explain 9/11.

Don't be like Bush, seeing demons where there are none. 

by Steve Consilvio (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 159 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 6:48:04 AM
 

Haven't seen this debate in a few days!

No one can convince me 3 steel buildings would collapse that rapidly and that symmetrically from heat failure, no matter how many PE's they pay to testify otherwise.  Arrange a counter demo with no possibility of pre-planted explosives and I'll shut up.  Everything else--box cutters, videos of hijackers, speculation about what really hit the Pentagon, competency of the federal government (and I don't even think the government per se did it)--is circumstantial.

Then there's the utter failure of the multi-billion dollar air defense system to as much as intercept/rendezvous the attacking planes.  It takes more than incompetency to achieve that.  But defense isn't something of which I have first-hand knowledge, physics is.

by Maxwell (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 306 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 1:31:39 PM
 

Too much .. ?

Too much circumstancial evidence and no subpoenas . What's up with that  paranoid , c'mon  ?  Clean  your shoes off again , sit down face the facts , it's time for a serious 'grown-up' talk.  There may still be some hope for you yet .  Forget apologizing for the genocidal actions by Bush and some in his Administration it's futile .  I care about  truth and the rule of law while you sound hysterical and detatched  from  both in  constructive dialog and  from a Constitutional perspective  . Oh that's right , I almost forgot that  G-d suspended the the natural laws of physics on 9/11 , which is why you can  say the things you do without giving it a 'second thought' and still pass as 'legit' in some circles ! I cannot help but question your true motives here or perhaps it is the cause for ;  denial  (and)  to avoid any further serious public debates on the subject . Opinions, opinions . We all have some just keep it brief , be honest, and you might even learn something especially if you keep reading OEN.

by yurizhi (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 9 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 1:53:42 PM
 

Don't blame the top 5%, don't blame Bush for 9/11- Consilvio

by Better World Order (4 articles, 464 quicklinks, 35 diaries, 1030 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 7:55:41 PM
 

Buy Low-Sell Low, and get the mortgages local

The alternative is to Buy Low-Sell Low.

 Of course, most people don't quite grasp what that means. 

Also, there is the problem of the existing deficit.  But as I wrote in the article, a good first step would be to get all the mortgages owned locally within each town.

 I proposed quite a bit, both here and on my site, (where I explain the math behind the problem,) but your inability to 'get it' isn't unusual.  New ideas are always tough the first time you hear them.

 Thanks for reading and commenting. 

by Steve Consilvio (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 159 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 8:55:17 PM
 

Truth indeed!

Careful orchestration of current events that will lead to their North American Union

by Sharon Roach (13 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 169 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 10:23:39 PM
 

Just show me the videos Steve

I'll believe your 9/11 fairy tale, all you have to do is "Show me the videos". Are you telling me the only videos of the 19 hijackers is from the airport in Maine, showing two of them? Excuse me, but that's not one of the airport they supposedly left from.

Somebody steals a candy bar from 7/11 and there are 5 videos of the event. But on 9/11, we are supposed to believe that no videos exist of the hijackers at the airport. You can see video cameras at the check-in counter, security gate and boarding area. So where are they genius? You know if they were Arabs on the videos, they would plaster them all over the TV.

The truth is, they have the videos, but the hijackers are NOT Arabs. They are Israelis, that's why we can't see the videos.

by Roger Thomas (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 81 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 10:08:39 AM
 

9/11 tree vs forest

You are free to believe whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.

There is certainly plenty of evidence of suicide bombers, messages from al qaeda, etc., as well as testament directly from Bin Laden himself.  When was the last time an Israeli blew himself up on a bus?

 Let's go through a few quick points:

One, if the government is so smart that they could plan your conspiracy, then couldn't they just as easily create the evidence you claim is missing? How is it that they are so clever and incompetent simultaneously?  (They're not.)

Two, why would you accept the evidence of the missing tapes?  Why would you trust anything the government says, and then say they have the evidence.  It was the bin Ladens that were allowed to leave the country on 9/11, not the bin Goldsteins.  Why do you accept some government evidence and not other evidence?  Your argument is like the OJ trial all over again.  

Third, as a point of logic, you are claiming a lack of evidence is proof.  Much akin to Nixon's 'silent majority' and other paranoid delusions.  It reminds me of the joke of the person on trial, who is confronted with witnesses that he robbed the store.  He says, "Your honor, I can produce 50 people who did not see me rob the store."  Your lack of evidence is not proof of anything. Yet, you ask me to provide proof.  Show me your Israelis.  You are the one making the claim, yet you have no evidence.

On a personal note: There is nothing more scary than the mirror. I have had to clean the vomit off my shoes many times.  You get used to it after awhile.  

Your hatred of America or Bush or whatever baggage you carry has clouded your reasoning.  Get rid of the hate festering within yourself, and you will be able to see things more clearly.  Love your enemy; he is just as screwed up as you.

 19 guys killed themselves.  It was a f'n brilliant attack.  Our government can't even screw in a lightbulb, in large part because of people like yourself, who can't tell the difference between a tree and a forest.  This has been going on for hundreds of years.

When Orwell was describing double-think, it was specifically meant for people like yourself, and the ability to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously.  Like I said, you can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't make what you believe logically consistent or true.  It's good that you are thinking and are compassionate, but Work Harder!

There are many ways to be wrong, but only one way of being right. 2+2=4, but there are an infinite number of possible wrong answers.  

Saying Osama won the war does not put in on the majority, any more than your view does.  Terra'rists are not supposed to have a logical plan, much less be smarter than ourselves.

Do you even know that Osama quoted Ben Franklin, and why?  (Because Ben Franklin was wrong about things, too, particularly paper money.)

 "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." - Marcus Aurelius  

Let go of your chains.  Only you can free yourself. 

by Steve Consilvio (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 159 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 11:11:21 AM
 

Your Memo Was Lost With All the Other Emails...

I'll just make one point.  You imply offhandedly that "gov't can't screw in a light bulb...", or I guess, you are denigrating all Special Ops, PsyOps, etc...anywhere -- as incompetent bumbling fools.  How brazen and shallow is your implication!  Multiple Billion Dollar SYSTEMS of DEFENSE, and Time-Tested Engineering Marvels, Layers of Protocols were Brought Down on 9/11.  And you toss this off and proceed on your merry way.  Hmmmm.

Do you think the Firefighter Battalions who responded that day and went up the towers actually thought there was any chance the structures would Fail and Fall into their footprints killing hundreds?!  They were "on the point" assessing the danger.  You toss their experience and knowledge out of the building without so much as a thought?!  This is amazing!  To hear this kind of talk should start a fire that will bring down the edifice of Ignorance!

I-am-simply-astounded.

by boomerang (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 352 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 7:11:20 PM
 

A flag isn't a magic wand

Wow. Gung Ho GI Joe.  How did 19 box cutters get by a million soldiers and destroy so many buildings so quickly and easily?

 You can wave your flag all you want, but it isn't a magic wand.  If you want to solve problems, then you need to take the time to understand them.

by Steve Consilvio (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 159 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 8:59:19 PM
 

Not without our help...

It was us who handed him his prize.  It was deregulation. It was greed. It was American's at the top wanting to move the weath out of the hands of the middle class.

Irony:  It will backfire on Bin Laden in the long run because the events led to a new awareness in the middle class and to the election of Obama. The people will now insist on changes that should have been made long ago. Now there will be someone there to listen.  Much of this change can be attributed to 9-11 and to the Bush responses which have failed including our invasion of Iraq.

by Paul Kruger (33 articles, 1 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 288 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 1:02:59 PM
 

It saddens me to observe...

Steve's observation should give us all pause to consider all that was triggered by 9/11. I don't think Bin laden won much of anything. He's a fugative with a price on his head.

But the US has put itself into hock, sacrificed over 4000 of our bravest and best, surrendered some of our most cherished freedoms, alienated much of the free world, lived in fear of another attack, tolerated a culture of corruption, tapped out our military reserves, and more-- all because of a bold but limited and focused act of terrorism. Not in his wildest dreams could Bin Laden have hoped for all that America has done to itself in its rage of violent reacton to his attack. It is hard to imagine any non-nuclear weapon that would have as devistating or long-lasting an impact; and we did it to ourselves!

by Richmond Shreve (19 articles, 60 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 135 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 1:52:55 PM
 

Did you get the memo? Osama Bin Laden won the war

9/11 was an inside job; false flag operation.

It did not involve Osama Bin Laden!

Let us remember the CIA created him, and his clan to fight the Russians.

by Rolland Miller (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 128 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 2:11:08 PM
 

Bin Laden is dead, and has been for years.....

Former President Benazir Bhutto died about one month after telling David Frost on BBC that the intel ppl in Pakistan had proof that Bin Laden had been murdered by a local Sheik, well over a 2 years ago now (at 6:15 into the below vid).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ

Her murder may have been in part to cover that fact up, and while the MSM did talk at length about her assassination, no mention of that videotaped BBC Frost interview was ever made by our corporate-controlled msm.

Another reason she was assassinated is that she knows where all the bodies are buried regarding the U.S. government deliberately leaking nuclear weapons technology to Pakistan (starting back in the Clinton years...). This is also the main reason why Sibel Edmonds is forbidden to speak via the most draconian gag orders ever seen in history; and why her story is completely suppressed by the U.S. msm.

The video is spooky; a brave and brilliant woman speaking from the grave.

Bin Laden can never die... He is immortal, a permanent paper boogieman who can never be captured or destroyed... The means for continuing the bogus "war on terror" perpetually... The way to keep up the ridiculous fable of what really happened on 9/11 .  

by Steve Windisch (jibbguy) (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 255 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 2:21:46 PM
 

Anti-communism to jihad

So bin Laden is real, and still working for the CIA?  Does this really seem likely to you?  The CIA would want to cover-up how our anti-communist policy created the jihad movement, but that wouldn't mean they joined the jihad movement.

Osama felt betrayed, and turned against us, even though it was his own stupidity that got him involved in fighting the Russians.  

It is common for stupid to change its target.  Like 1984, take down one poster and put up a new one.  Your former friend is now your enemy.  Bin Laden's flip-flop makes sense, the claim that the government attacked itself does not.  

Changing from anti-communism to jihad is still fighting infidels from his perspective.  Once you have local control, you can focus on the foreign devil.  Why would the CIA do the opposite, and go from attacking foreigners to attacking Americans?

 Your claim makes no sense. 

by Steve Consilvio (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 159 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 3:07:26 PM
 

Bin Laden had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11

by Munich (1 articles, 82 quicklinks, 13 diaries, 1017 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 4:34:03 PM
 

Yep, blame the Jews. oy!

Hitler already played the 'Blame everything on the Jews' card.  Is that how low the 'progressive' movement has sunk too?  Regressive progressives are no so different than immoral moralists or authoritarian libertarians.  Hypocrisy and doublethink takes many shapes.  (I can show you the model, if you like.)

Yes Zeitgeist the Movie has a lot of miscellaneous facts about people talking about money.  Money has been a topic of conversation for thousands of years.  That does not make it a conspiracy.

How does somebody who is dead make it into a conspiracy in the present?  That is your delusion.  Or more specifically, your willingness to believe a lie.

 Why blame straw-men?   America brought this on themselves.  We reap what we sow, the same as everybody else.  

 Even by the twisted logic being used here, it cannot be BOTH an inside job of the CIA and of Israel simultaneously.  One or the other has to be wrong, but I think they are both wrong.

 Osama bin Laden set out to achieve exactly what he has accomplished. It worked perfectly.  More than that, he is right in a lot of his criticism.  He had to be, otherwise his plan would not have been so successful.  Forget about looking at one day and one event, and take a longer view.

 Osama's Letter to America reads just like the Declaration of Independence:  Violence is necessary, you are deaf, God says I have the right to kill you, I have rights, you are meddling in my country, etc.

by Steve Consilvio (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 159 comments) on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 7:02:29 PM