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June 9, 2008 at 22:44:04

Headlined on 6/9/08:
A Little History You Need to Know

by Ed Tubbs     Page 1 of 3 page(s)

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A Little History You Need to Know, by Ed Tubbs

 

In 1898, illustrator Frederick Remington, working for newspaper publisher William Randolph Hearst, was stationed in Havana. Remington wired Hearst that he wanted to return, that everything was quiet. Hearst shot back: “Please, you furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.”

 

Regardless that many might feign surprise, and others would truly be surprised, on a level that demonstrates we’ve got some homework to do, it is nonetheless illustrative to learn that a not horribly long ago Pew survey found that more than half of the American respondents weren’t able to identify the century in which the War of 1812 occurred. Approximately the same percentage could not name the combatants in the Spanish-American War.

 

I’m not running for any office, though I am running as hard as I can to inspire as many as I can to develop just the first inkling of an interest in history and the willingness to make of themselves genuine independent thinkers; even to the extent they question, if only for a moment, the details and general matters of religious faith, and dare to ask questions that truly critical thought demands be asked.

 

No politician will say this, but I will. The American electorate is pretty much a very uninformed and, hence, pretty stupid, electorate. The politicians always orate on the intelligence of the American voter. They’re lying through their teeth. Were they to even whisper the truth, not a one would be elected.

 

I’m thinking of Iraq as an icon of that utter ignorance and stupidity, and how just a tad knowledge of history would have provoked a slurry of heavy-grit questions that just might have avoided the debacle altogether. Recall how it was stated as unequivocal fact that, prior to 9/11, Saddam Hussein had teamed up with al Qaida, had facilitated the establishment of bin Laden backed terrorist training camps within Iraq, and was thus a co-conspirator in the awful deed that changed everything.

 

I leaped from the couch in nearly traumatic disbelief the first time I heard the absurdity. But American after American after American bought that line, to include the hook as well as the sinker. American after American after American continued to believe it, even after proof conclusive there had been no cooperative partnership between Saddam and bin Laden was laid on the table, even after the administration acknowledged there had never existed such a link. But at the time of the first postulation, I rhetorically screamed aloud, “When, in all recorded history, had one wholly ruthless and overtly paranoid ruler ever permitted a potential challenger for the seat of power to make camp in territories he controlled?”  (Disclosure: I didn’t actually scream that extended interrogatory. It did, however compose the thinking behind my bovine excreta epithet.)

 

No! It has never happened. Remember how King Herod was so apprehensive over the news of the birth of a baby that was only rumored might become king that he sent a patrol to learn the exact whereabouts of the kid — so he could eliminate the threat in its infancy. That the object of the venture was highly unique does not amend the fact the venture itself was and has been through all of history extremely typical.

 

Saddam Hussein, on nothing more than whispered guesses, and often not even on that, often on nothing more than the ruthless desire to preemptively make examples, had thousands tortured and murdered. Thus the allegation he would ever have knowingly permitted someone like bin Laden, or any of bin Laden’s operatives, within the borders of Iraq was at the outset absolutely, incredibly ludicrous.   

 

History, just the tiniest bit of it, and a down-and-dirty skeptical national inclination would have thrown that baby out with the bath water. Nonetheless, no, as dumb as the proposal was on its face, the Big Lie became truth sufficient, and millions of lives and onward to two to three trillion dollars will have been unceremoniously flushed down the toilet; not a life or limb or a dollar for any good reason.  

 

We had our butts kicked royal in Vietnam, and justifiably so. We puffed up our pride and marched in where we weren’t wanted, and had no right whatsoever thinking we ever had such a right.

 

In 1954, following the embarrassing loss by the French in the Siege of Dien Bien Phu, Ho Chi Minh negotiated a favorable cease-fire agreement at Geneva. The country, then known in the Western World as French Indochina, was divided at the 17ty Parallel into Ngo Dinh Diem’s South Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh’s North Vietnam. According to the Geneva Accords, in 1956 the country was to be united as one country, and an election was to be held that would determine who ruled the entirety of the nation.

 

An absolutely essential point to never, ever forget: at no time between 1954 and 1956 was there any question that the country wasn’t to be unified; an election would be determinative as to who ran it. But, in 1956, the Eisenhower Administration sacked the idea: there would be no elections! The world’s leading democracy, terrified that a communist would indeed gain the day, if the people were permitted to have any say in the matter, stood in firm opposition to the first hint of anything democratic, and instead backed a dictator.

 

General Maxwell Taylor later noted “First we didn’t know ourselves. We thought we were going into another Korean War, but this was a different country. Secondly, we didn’t know our South Vietnamese allies . . . And we knew less about North Vietnam. Who was Ho Chi Minh? Nobody really knew. So, until we know the enemy and know our allies and know ourselves, we’d better keep out of this kind of dirty business.”

 

More than 58,000 American lives and more than a million Vietnamese lives were criminally sacrificed on the alter of American hubris. We shoved our way into a business that was none of ours, to avoid communist rule of a country. And all of that later, what did we gain? A communist-run country that now manufactures parts for American corporations; something we could have had for free, if we had just bothered to study something about the area, and manage to mind our own business.

 

By the high price paid, Americans had an inalienable right to demand from that hard lesson, “Never again!”

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An "Old Army Vet" and liberal, qua liberal, with a passion for open inquiry in a neverending quest for truth unpoisoned by religious superstitions. Per Voltaire: "He who can lead you to believe an absurdity can lead you to commit an atrocity."

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I was a Visiting Lecturer in American Literature with a (Baghdad University/Texas University) Fulbright Exchange Program in 1966-67 and a Guest Lecturer for the American Authors Lecture Series for the United States Information Service in Iraq.
Carole Chaney Farrington and I co-authored and published "Baghdad Letters" in 2003, a collection of letters and journals we wrote in 1966-67 while in Iraq.

Jay FarringtonI was a Visiting Lecturer in American Literature with a (Baghdad University/Texas University) Fulbright Exchange Program in 1966-67 and a Guest Lecturer for the American Authors Lecture Series for the United States Information Service in Iraq.
Carole Chaney Farrington and I co-authored and published "Baghdad Letters" in 2003, a collection of letters and journals we wrote in 1966-67 while in Iraq.

Good job, Ed

   So much has happened to us in the last 25 years, it seems the events have no roots in an earlier time. That is of course, the conclusion the Empire wants us to reach; their version of the past is the "real" one.
Your take on Vietnam is seldom presented; the Empire's version holds that peace protesters made the war last longer and made us lose the war, nothing about a war that shouldn't have been.
Ties to the past persist. Neocons have ties back to John Foster Dulles, Ike's sec state, and Allen Dulles, head of CIA, who extended the Cold War to surrogates S.Korea and later S.Vietnam, as you state in your article. The Domino Theory, the U.S.s only strategy concept in foreign policy.

Thanks for information we can trust to give us the real history, as much as it can be given, neither revisionism nor propaganda. 

by Jay Farrington (13 articles, 2 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 151 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 9:26:58 AM
 


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Margaret BassettMargaret Bassett is an 86-year old, currently living in senior housing, with a lifelong interest in political conumbrums. She hopes to hold out for one more presidential election. Bachelors from State University of Iowa (1944) and Masters from Roosevelt University (1975) help to unravel important requirements for modern communication. Early introduction to computer science (1966) trumps them. It's payback time. She's been "entitled" so long she hopes to find some good coming off the keyboa...

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How do people learn about their past?

Except for those who consider themselves professional historians, most of us remember what we heard as children. If we were admonished by parents to protect a particular brand of religion, that will be a lens through which we see school lessons and private reading.

Therefore. it is likely enough that the "dumbing down" process you describe will become dumber through the generations. To offset family influence there should be cultural influences greater than just plain classes. Can community groups, perhaps with church participation, help children get broader perspectives as they are in those formative years?

 

by Margaret Bassett (25 articles, 1651 quicklinks, 29 diaries, 996 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 2:06:51 PM
 


An "Old Army Vet" and liberal, qua liberal, with a passion for open inquiry in a neverending quest for truth unpoisoned by religious superstitions. Per Voltaire: "He who can lead you to believe an absurdity can lead you to commit an atrocity."
Ed TubbsAn "Old Army Vet" and liberal, qua liberal, with a passion for open inquiry in a neverending quest for truth unpoisoned by religious superstitions. Per Voltaire: "He who can lead you to believe an absurdity can lead you to commit an atrocity."

Caution -- Danger ahead!

How do people learn about their past?Except for those who consider themselves professional historians, most of us remember what we heard as children. If we were admonished by parents to protect a particular brand of religion, that will be a lens through which we see school lessons and private reading. Therefore. it is likely enough that the "dumbing down" process you describe will become dumber through the generations. To offset family influence there should be cultural influences greater than just plain classes. Can community groups, perhaps with church participation, help children get broader perspectives as they are in those formative years?

Margaret:

 

About “their” past? I suppose that would begin with a genuine sense of curiosity, and perhaps a great deal of willingness to accept the consequences from what was learned. As to how, I couldn’t begin to offer thoughts there.

 

EVERYTHING else, however begins with a healthy sense of entitlement to dignity, and a deeply held requirement that one be treated with it. I say that from the perspective that, if one is willing to sacrifice the right to question everything, to accept nothing on pure face value, or not question something because another has suggested, even strongly suggested, that you have some obligation to accept what you’ve been told, then one is not ready or willing to learn much. Really, it takes courage and the curmudgeon’s basic attitude, “F*** Y**, I’m going to find out for myself!”

 

Margaret, ya know, just because someone believes something to be true cannot make it so, if it isn’t.

 Certainly you need some basics, the tiniest fragment of a sense of something you perhaps recalled from 8th grade. With the Internet and Google, no one has to be a “professional historian.”  The research is sooo easy, and so readily available. I’m going to lead you down hell’s path here. For example, type in the Google/search bar Christian church history. Then go searching. (Also Google Pope Urban VIII, and learn why I’ve determined that popes and priests, ministers, mullahs, and rabbis don’t know one bit more than do you, and why what they tell you should be taken with a grain of salt and both eyes wide open.).  

In addition to the less trustworthy material, you’re going to find a lot of highly authoritative information, much of which has the potential to bring doubt over what you may have believed an entire lifetime. And that’s good, if you’d rather have a grasp of the truth, the good, the corrupt, and the just plain disgusting, than continue believing a fairy-tale fable, because that’s what you’ve been led by the nose to accept as so by someone else; someone else who has no better handle on life, who doesn’t know a single thing more about it than do you.        

  

You brought up “church participation.” As an ardent student of the Bible and the damning miserable history of religion, church participation would be the very worst place to go seeking the truth. By definition, religion requires one dispense with a quest for facts and evidence on behalf of a willingness to believe the far simpler explanations that have zero foundation in any verifiable truth.

 

I have two sons, 20 and 23. I doubt anyone can locate any two young men more honest, more moral, more good and truly decent than are they. Neither has been baptized, neither has ever set foot n a church. Any connection between religion and morality is coincidental, not necessary. All I’ve ever asked of them is that, before they decide on any religion, they study each and all religions. Know why there’s an 80% chance you and your associates and relatives are Christian? It isn’t because you did the least honest research. It’s because of the completely irrational process of being born into such a culture. As much as you, or anyone you know, believe the Christian tenets, if you or they had been born in Islamabad to Moslem parents, I guarantee you’d be as fervently Moslem as you are Christian. And what does that TRUTH say about the truth of what those who call themselves Christian is? It is no more valid than if you claimed you believed that any other total accident of birth had an intrinsic truth.

 

So, the church . . . Nah, Google Eusebius of Ceasarea Or how about Irenaeus. Irenaeus is a good one. The only reason the books in the Bible are the ones that are there is because Irenaeus and a bunch of other men did not want any strong reference to women in there. That the books that are in the bible are there had absolutely nothing to do with god or Jesus or anything else. It was to maintain subjugation of women.

 

With your research tucked in your purse, ask your minister or priest. My bet is they’ll give you spin that would make Fox and the Bush admin jealous. Then start thinking 100% on your own, and just having the greatest time discovering all kinds of neat stuff. The incredible thrill of discovery!!!!! But be careful: you could open a Pandora’s box.

 Ed

 

by Ed Tubbs (159 articles, 1 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 54 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 5:41:10 PM
 


Stanimal is ???

I hear cries for freedom elsewhere, while the US becomes less so. I hear support for free markets, then demanding a bailout due to incompetence.
I roll my eyes at those that accuse others being oppressed while the US has and still continues to the same and much worse. Laughing at pinheads who purchase and profit from those they curse.

Every time I return to visit I see a country I no longer recognize. A shredded Constitution, a spineless Congress ...

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StanimalStanimal is ???

I hear cries for freedom elsewhere, while the US becomes less so. I hear support for free markets, then demanding a bailout due to incompetence.
I roll my eyes at those that accuse others being oppressed while the US has and still continues to the same and much worse. Laughing at pinheads who purchase and profit from those they curse.

Every time I return to visit I see a country I no longer recognize. A shredded Constitution, a spineless Congress ...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Good article Ed, and I invite you

to read my US historical perspective in a previous article I wrote about the "Beijing Olympics & People living in Glass Houses".

I believe you need to not only include the hook and sinker, but the line and pole as well.

There are many "Informed" Americans who can't even locate Iraq on a world map, let alone recall that Saddam Hussein was a former Ronald Reagan "Freedom Fighter" now re-labeled a "Terrorist's" by the Reich, and the same goes for Osma Bin Forgotten...er Laden and his Al-CIAda organization.

I'm to understand the reason the US involved itself in Vietnam, was the Gulf Of Tonkin false flag operation that was there to protect Standard Oil and its off-shore oil interest. Along with bailing out Bell (Hell)icoptor from its near bankruptcy status before the US committed itself to Vietnam.

How many Americans still refer to Pearl Harbor as an attack of Surprise by the Japanese, while the carrier groups were out at sea and several fleets of B-17's were en-route to Hawaii in order to confuse the radar operators eyes on that fateful day?

Mr. Hearst and his false flag operation of the USS-Main sinking in Havana Harbor is just another of many false flag operandi the US has used in galvanizing the American public behind an administration's reasoning to use War as a means of bailing out the US economy to inject $ into the MIC that has been a part of the fabric of this nation for a long time. That Eisenhower warned us would lead to ruin the USA and its prestige around the world.

With the most recent false flag operation of 9/11 being the feather in the cap of the cabal of Bu$h & Co. to usurp power and illegally occupy 2 sovereign nations that one has the 2nd largest reserves of oil in the world and the other is needed to bring on-line oil pipe alignments so Caspian crude can make its way to the western world.

by Stanimal (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 484 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 3:32:11 PM
 

 

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