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I am not stuttering. I think that there are a group of people who milk the trust and open-mindedness of some, the distrusting and suspicious and the outright paranoid. These conspiracy perpetrators actually conspire to create new conspiracy theories for a number of reasons. 
Dave Weigel has written a brilliant article on this for Salon, titled, Don't Blame The Sandy Hook Truthers. It broaches the idea that there now are all kinds of truthers-- 911, birthers, Sandy Hook...

That got me thinking how there are different motivations for people to promote conspiracy theories. 

-They distract people from looking at problematic aspects of cases that are real, but less sexy than the conspiracy theories. 

-They make investigation into cases that are totally legitimate seem less credible and more batshit crazy. Legit investigations get thrown in with the crazy stuff. 

-Some professional conspiracy theorists and websites make money or get free travel from this-- from books, speaking, website traffic that's converted into ad revenue. 

-They use the conspiracy theories to sell some other aspect of their agenda. There is a finge group of 911 Truthers who are flaming anti-semites. Birthers are mostly right wingers and some racists. Dave Weigel's Salon article addresses the latest Sandy Hook Truther garbage. His article starts by saying, " Gun massacre conspiracy theories follow every massacre--fed in part by the NRA," and discusses,
"In one week, a  30-minute YouTube video titled  "The Sandy Hook Shooting--Fully Exposed" has been viewed 10,000,000 times. It uses text, narration, and mournful music to annotate found footage and websites, "proving" that the murder of 26 people in Newtown, Conn., may have been propagated then covered up by government operatives with an agenda."

I've had a bunch of people send me the links to this. My experience with conspiracy videos is they use the principles of propaganda-- mix a bit of truth with a big lie. That's my take on the Zeitgeist videos, which have also had huge numbers of views. 

Weigel addresses the Sandy Hook Truther video head on, commenting,
"... the Sandy Hook "truther" movement isn't quite like birtherism, or like vintage 9/11 trutherism. Both of those manias grew out of partisanship. As my colleague Jeremy Stahl proved,   9/11 trutherism   flourished thanks to "general unhappiness with the war in Iraq and a small but deep strain of Bush hatred." Birtherism mushroomed when conservatives got desperate about ousting Obama.
Gun massacre trutherism isn't tied to election results. It bubbles over after every massacre. Sandy Hook is moving public opinion like no massacre since Virginia Tech--and its truther movement, naturally, is growing faster. Every shooting that involves a mentally ill loner invites speculation that the loner  was programmed by the government .  After the mass casualties at an Aurora, Colo., movie theater, Alex Jones'  InfoWars , a conspiracy news hub that got  a recent boost from CNN's Piers Morgan , asked readers to consider the shooter's "work as a graduate student in a government-funded neuroscience program that specifically researched altered perception of time and reality." The completely different circumstances of the Virginia Tech attack  led to a theory  that "black ops" were behind the shooting.
Every post-shooting conspiracy theory follows a script. The viral Sandy Hook video is just an unusually good example. It begins with hasty interviews from the day of the massacre, men-on-the-street spreading rumors that led the news but were debunked and would have been forgotten without the magic of online video. (This happened at Virginia Tech, too--a confused caller told Fox News that more shots were being heard on the campus long after the massacre.) Later, it suggests that  Gene Rosen , a senior citizen who comforted kids fleeing the school, is a member of the Screen Actors Guild, faking the whole thing. The evidence? He's awfully compelling, and someone named "Gene Rosen" is a member of the Screen Actors Guild. Other Sandy Hook truthers have "proved" that Emilie Parker, a 6-year old victim at the school, is still alive. She's not. It's  her sister  who's been photographed since the massacre."

Weigel goes on to discuss how there have been other conspiracy theories, like Fast and Furious, and how these have been used by the gun lobby to froth up paranoia and fears that King Obama and the gubbermint are on the cusp of taking away all rights to guns. 

Even the executive orders Obama just made are not even close to taking away people's guns. He's put limits in place. That's it. The NRA, a PR and marketing operation for the $28 Billion a year arms and ammunition manufacturing business takes any attempt to put limitations on sales of any kind and churns out hysterical, adrenalized craziness. According to Elliot Fineman, of the National Gun Victims Action Council, the NRA has also been effective in lobbying to block funding for the Center for Disease Control to actually do research that shows the mortality rates caused by gun use and ownership. Weigel says,

" The gun lobby might be the only credible group, with real clout, with the ability to bring presidential candidates to its conferences, to endorse the idea that the government would engage in a "false flag" operation."
And Weigel says,
" The idea that the government is one short step away from a gun ban is actually integral to the lobby's pitch. ... t the 2012 Conservative Political Action Conference, LaPierre warned that the first-term Obama administration's "lip service to gun owners is just part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment during his second term."
"We see the president's strategy crystal clear," said LaPierre. "Get re-elected and, with no more elections to worry about, get busy dismantling and destroying our firearms' freedom, erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights and excise it from the U.S. Constitution."
The NRA's LaPierre literally suggests there's an Obama Conspiracy to take away everyone's guns. People like Alex Jones and his conspiracy farm websites infowars and prisonplanet fertilize and cultivate these fears, growing Jones' base of right wingers who live in fantasy worlds where the New World Order is breathing down our necks. 

As Michael Douglas said in the movie, The American President, " We have  serious  problems  to solve, and  we  need serious people to solve them."  

When it comes to 911, there are real questions and there were major problems with the 911 investigation. We don't need crazies talking about bizarre theories. It's enough to ask for reasonable explanations to explain why Tower 7 collapsed. 

It's good to ask a lot of questions and reasonable to be suspicious and open-minded about ways that "the system" is not only broken, but doing damage. There is real concrete evidence. I'm a firm believer that big corporations, billionaires like the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson and others are doing real, concrete damage to democracy and justice, even to the planet. But, as Maxwell, a commenter on my article, C onspiracy Theory as Distraction for Reality, says, " We have to be careful not to be so open minded that our brains fall out."


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When you see these conspiracy theories coming out, with major news incidents, often tragedies, consider the possibility that there are people and organizations out there waiting to pounce on these real events as opportunities to sell their message-- that Obama and liberals are trying to take away all guns (NRA and other anti gun orgs,) that the evil government is trying to kill people with chemtrails and that HAARP is setting off earthquakes and Tsunamis. I'd say that the chemtrails and HAARP conspiracy theorists are likely to be anti-government Libertarians. 

Not every conspiracy theory that some forwarded email informs you about is legit. Many are propaganda and disinformation tools. Perpetrating lies, propaganda and distortion has become a business, as this article,  I Was a Paid Internet Shill: How Shadowy Groups Manipulate Internet Opinion and Debate,   describes , in this case, an operation of paid "sock puppet" bloggers who frequent multiple sites, aiming to counter messages that sponsors don't like. Don't be fooled. Don't make a meal of conspiracy messages that are spawned by new news. Consider that they are themselves part of a conspiracy to get you to imbibe conspiracies aimed at twisting the way you see the world-- in ways that benefit ideologies or interest groups. 

As I said, there are real problems in the world. Some have suggested that the term conspiracy theory itself was invented to make it easier to attack any theory that opposes the message that the government and the mainstream media deliver. My intent here is not to discourage people from asking questions. We MUST do that and we must be rigorous in assessing the narratives that that MSM offers to us. But we must also be cautious to not allow ourselves to be swept up by malevolent conspiracy theories that are intentionally generated and publicized to promote messages or beliefs that further the interests of advocacy groups or ideologies?

Be sure to check out the article I wrote immediately before this one: Conspiracy Theory As Distraction From Reality
And I've followed up this article with a third article A Proposed Standardized Scientific Approach to Assessing Conspiracy Theories and Questions

 

Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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You should study the buckle strength then, because... by Toby Seiler on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:47:55 AM
the buckle strength of my toaster oven. I turn it ... by Tom James on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 12:02:03 PM
Stove element  >550fMatch 600-800fCandle f... by Toby Seiler on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:59:03 PM
You appear to ignore the fact that NO steel-framed... by Paul Carline on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:20:18 AM
that my toaster oven is not safe??? Now I am ... by Tom James on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:52:58 PM
I think this extended thread began with Rob's impa... by Paul Carline on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:31:42 PM
The drawback to that interview is that the intervi... by Ken Stevens on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:22:04 PM
Rob Kall should interview Mike Powers.... by Chris Cook on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:01:22 PM
of Mike Powers?? After all the show is called "The... by Paul Repstock on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:31:17 PM
I think you are wrong. I went to The Power Hour we... by Chris Cook on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:18:34 AM
I listened to a decent portion of it and it was to... by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:00:40 PM
Let me preface my comment by first stating somethi... by Chris Cook on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 5:09:57 PM
I would call that confronting guilty enablers of t... by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 5:48:29 PM
You are totally wrong in your accusation. I have n... by Chris Cook on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:04:48 PM
you are DEFINITELY being used by those who are sel... by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:39:58 PM
I think your spot on about "selling" conspiracy.&n... by Toby Seiler on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:54:21 AM
You ought to up your skepticism a notch and quit b... by Chris Cook on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:23:41 AM
The use of journalists has been among the most pro... by Deborah Dills on Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:02:36 PM
Rob, I just viewed Max Igan's new video that valid... by Joan Mootry on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 12:53:49 PM
I'm sorry, but I have aspie family members and acq... by J. Edward Tremlett on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:17:05 PM
I am sure that your acerbic and flippant style of ... by Chris Cook on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 8:24:34 PM
I'd hold up the mirror, but I think you broke it. ... by J. Edward Tremlett on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:31:10 PM
I agree with you about  not trusting MSM or t... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 2:28:42 PM
Rob, this should meet your science criteria - th... by Joan Mootry on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 8:08:29 PM
Rob, with all due respect, you seem to have your o... by Peter Duveen on Wednesday, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:11:40 AM
Don't you think that the discovery that there is n... by Paul Carline on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:29:07 AM
Excuse me. Mike Powers says Adam Lanza didn't exis... by Rob Kall on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 5:27:31 PM
I listened to the first part of the interview a se... by Chris Cook on Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:14:14 PM
You are right, "...evidence supporting the officia... by Joan Mootry on Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:35:16 PM
On what basis does he make the claim that the kid ... by Gary Williams on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:13:00 AM
(Which is bad news) whereby an 'appearance' of a h... by Kim Cassidy on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:05:32 PM
Liberals are thinkers. They like to come to their ... by Ken Stevens on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:11:08 PM
Ruth, I hate the terms "left" and "right" because ... by Paul Rye on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:54:09 PM
It's true though. Remember, a conspiracy can be cr... by Adam Smith on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:52:09 PM
Nice post. The mass media encourage conspiracy the... by Andrew Schettino on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:07:15 PM
Robbie Hall, the parent of Emilie Parker who got s... by Adam Smith on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:10:32 PM
It could be nerves but that smirk seems pretty mes... by Adam Smith on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43:33 PM
Some are destroyed, some are functional but are a ... by J. Edward Tremlett on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:21:43 PM
could not have been more effective in bringing out... by Kim Cassidy on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:51:43 PM
An image which makes sense is of a herd of cattle ... by Paul Repstock on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:21:21 AM
Uncle Carl? ... by Toby Seiler on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:28:34 AM
I see from these comments there is a vast differen... by Toby Seiler on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:42:05 AM
click here... by Jon Gold on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:03:05 AM
common sense dictates that many "conspiracy theori... by tim mcghie on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:59:22 PM
As an amateur conspiracy theorist, I follow the ad... by Dan Mage on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:08:47 PM
I find myself marveling at how so many people can ... by Sherwin Steffin on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:47:22 PM
Until there is evidence to identify the individual... by Paul Repstock on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:24:27 PM
is for our herd to suddenly stop milling, and then... by Paul Repstock on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 4:47:28 PM
I find myself thinking I have little agreement wit... by Toby Seiler on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 4:50:52 PM
The idea that we must be able to name names before... by Frank Legge on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:54:17 PM
Okay Sherwin, everything you say is true. (no sarc... by Tom James on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:56:16 PM
...Last sentence, above, should have read "Ev... by Tom James on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:14:52 PM
And I will repeat myself, it is because we are not... by Kim Cassidy on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:44:24 PM
I used to get upset at being called a truther. No ... by Ms Nan on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:58:43 AM
Nobody is being critical of the search for truth.&... by Toby Seiler on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:24:10 PM
Most people simply cannot accept earth shattering ... by Steve Shapiro on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 12:51:17 AM
You might ask why I think Sandy Hook shooting is a... by Deborah Dills on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 2:01:47 AM
I already tried to convince some voices on (link=)... by tao on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:55:56 AM
Reply to Ruth Hull: ... by tao on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 12:02:38 PM
Seems you are one of those who criticize conspirac... by Kim Cassidy on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:43:49 PM
You obviously didn't properly read - or didn't und... by tao on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:12:18 PM
Perhaps you miswrote? Recheck. You gave a nice spe... by Kim Cassidy on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:46:22 AM
What I've been harping on, though, so thanks for t... by Kim Cassidy on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:30:17 AM
I think with me, what it comes down to in a conspi... by J. Edward Tremlett on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:33:42 PM
awkward kid, that's for sure.... by Kim Cassidy on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:49:47 PM
thank you, thank you! She'll be here all thread. T... by J. Edward Tremlett on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:54:24 PM
Thanks for addressing this problem. Here is t... by Davey Jones on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:38:47 PM
to claim the central bankers are behind most of th... by intotheabyss on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:41:35 PM
The evidence that central bankers are responsible ... by Bill Cain on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:52:58 PM
But I don't recall hearing it before... and I woul... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:07:54 AM
I'm not sure that pointing you in the direction of... by Bill Cain on Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:07:10 PM
If you were to take a poll of your readers to see ... by Bill Cain on Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:12:49 PM
    i agree with you Rob, %100... by William Crain on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:31:38 PM
and I found NOTHING to disagree with -- everything... by Kerry Johnson on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 5:23:15 AM
Dear folksThe 9/11 truth movement appeared due to ... by Mark Sashine on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:06:17 AM
"When it comes to 911, there are real questions an... by Andrew Steele on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 at 5:28:13 PM
People want simple answers but truth isn't... by crystal haidl on Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:06:34 AM
I've followed up this article with a third article... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:59:32 AM
From a European perspective the conspiracy disease... by Tim Bastable on Thursday, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:20:27 AM
The predators are meeting right now in Davos.The v... by Poor old Dirt farmer on Saturday, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:28:52 AM
The central bankers and corporatist allies are con... by intotheabyss on Saturday, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:09:12 PM