And to call it data collection is ridiculous. Like I said to somebody the other day, maybe I should use this as a defense in a stalking case, no my client wasn't in the bushes stalking her, he was data-collecting. Nobody would believe that. And the government shouldn't be involved in that and we shouldn't as citizens put up with that.
R.K.: So, given that these NSA people are saying that the information is being given to law enforcement, would it be wise to ask in every single case whether NSA data was used at all?
S.A.: Well I have to tell you Rob you just gave me something to do. You know what? On every single case that I have I'll ask for. There's no reason not. You're right. If you are a lawyer is supposedly doing their job, we should ask for it. And in fact from now on it's called a motion for discovery. The state has an obligation to give you those things that helped them in their prosecution and I think you're 100% right.
I have not done that, shame on me, but I will from this moment forward and I think every lawyer that does this should and I think the government should give it to us. If this is where they're getting their information from, why shouldn't we be able to challenge that? Why shouldn't we be able to see what information is given if they're going to criminally prosecute you?
If you're not going to criminally prosecute, because you have got to keep in mind what this is about, it's about taking the freedom away from a citizen. If you're going to take the freedom away from a citizen for whatever reason you should be able to stand behind the information that you got you in that arena. And so the government should come forward with it and defense lawyers should ask for it and you have taught me something today and I appreciate it.
R.K.: Okay. I think we got to wrap up here now, we're right at the hour mark
S.A.: Yeah, I apologize I will go on and on so -
R.K.: Oh you've been great and really informative. Thank you so much